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AbuHanifa: . ASTONISHING!

Very.

AbuHanifa: Lol. Shooting yourself in the foot.

Before I go ahead. Do you know the difference between living and non-living things with their characteristics. I think that is elementary biology. If you don't, then I can't help you. If you do then factor it in the scheme of our discussion and come back to thank me later for enlightenment.

Your answer is full of oxymoron when compared with your line of argument.

I see where you are going.

So consciousness for you is when a living thing responds to stimulus. But when non living things react, it can't be consciousness. Consciousness can only apply to living things. Is this what you have been trying to say?

AbuHanifa: For the second part. Do you know how you respond to stimuli? Someone needs basic biology here

If you are still at basic biology level, then I can't help you.

AbuHanifa: Go through www.billbrouarf.com/intelligence.htm for your question about amoeba and thank me later.

wtf?

AbuHanifa: Lol. So consciousness and reaction are directly proportional. Interesting! Utterly wrong unless you prove otherwise.

I am conscious because I am intelligent enough to know things around me. I have sensory cells that respond to stimuli. Now you know why I am conscious. Can we say the same for stone?

Haha. Now you are cornered, you bring up intelligence. So amoeba proteus is intelligent? So the mango you are about to eat is intelligent? Ah! That palm tree is full of intelligence and will start solving calculus soon!

Yes. Stones repond to stimuli.

But let's come back to your conscious self because this is interesting. Exactly which parts of your bodies are conscious? Your nails? Teeth? Hair? Blood? Are they conscious?

AbuHanifa: Bros, don't use my response to develop yours. Say you don't know and let us rest the case. Nigerians with corner-corner

You are the one doing wuruwuru.

I have already said why I believe everything, including formicas are conscious. You have yet to tell us why you are conscious.

Let me state it again. Formicas are conscious because they react to their environment.

Now, tell us why you think you are conscious.

AbuHanifa: Prove that formica is conscious.

Prove that you are conscious.

Can admin respond please?

AbuHanifa: Prove it.

Prove that you are conscious.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Is that a pic of NL mods going to a meeting?

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AbuHanifa: This actually got me cracking. I was somewhere in Ile Ife in 2002 in December. I woke up one day to notice that the formica on the used as the top of a top was rolling up from the edge. I don't need a rocket science to know that it was due to the harmattan. Can we say this came to be as a result of awareness/ consciousness of the formica?

yes.

AbuHanifa: I hope you can distinguish between living and non living things. I am discussing non living here. Now answer the question, how can stone (non living) protect itself?

We don't know if it is protecting itself. Stop confusing things.

We observe changes in its outer layer. Why those changes? Why is it different for a stone than other objects, say glass, that are in the same position? We know that stones are not alive but still they react when in contact with other elements. Which brings me back to my theory that they react due to a certain level of awareness. This is why I said they are conscious of their environment. Not alive!

Seewealth: If God created the world and Adam/eve with a good purpose. Then the devil came and disrupted God' plan and up till now he is still disrupting it then it is either
1. God doesnt have the power to deal with Satan or
2.he wants it this way or
3.he doesn't care.
No other option is possible. That is why some believe that God and the devil are different faces of the same coin.if there is any other option please air your view.

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Runs.

AbuHanifa: How can a stone put on a layer. Where did it pick it from?

How can a tree put on a bark? Where did it pick it from?

AbuHanifa: Fourthly, the law of motion applies to inanimate objects only.

AbuHanifa: Is the stone protecting its internal layers or it is reacting to the environment?

When you put on a sweater, are you protecting your internal organs or are you reacting to the environment?

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AbuHanifa: The subject matter is as easy as QED. Except you racked your brain before you came up with something.

OK

I think that it was after this thread that JeSoul decided to give up on her people.

AbuHanifa: You got my explanation all wrong. I will dissect your response when I am less busy. BRB

Don't hurt your brain too much. You don't want it to lose consciousness.

AbuHanifa: Care to explain how rocks respond to stimulus

Get a stone, break it. You will see that the outer layer is different from the inner layers because the outer layers changed and became protective of the internal layers. If you leave the broken stone for some years, the exposed former inner layer would also change its texture and colour. Now, why would a stone want to protect its internal layers?

AbuHanifa: When you take consciousness to mean awareness, I think is seriously flawed, when you relate it to the stone case. Reacting to the environment cannot be taken as being conscious of the environment. Inanimate (stone in this case) does not responds stimulus but can react with other objects. Remember this "Every object continues in its state of rest or linear motion on a straight line except when it is being acted upon by external force". Take inanimate objects as zombies who cannot make but could be made or could be made to make.

You seem to be contradicting yourself.
First, how is consciousness different from awareness?
Secondly, how can you react to something you are unconscious of? Give an example.
Thirdly, You are wrong in saying that some objets don't respond to stimulus. They do. Just not in a way you may expect.
Fourth, Does the law of motion you quoted applied to things you would describe as "conscious"? If yes, what differentiates them from other objects?
Finally your last sentence shows that you haven't really thought things through. Are your fingers zombies or are they conscious? Are they being made to type on this thread? If yes, then your definition qualifies them as zombies. Such goes with every other part of your body. So maybe you are a sum part of interacting zombies.
But you may just say that they are conscious as they are attached to you body and thus obey your will and brain. If so, then artificial fingers are also conscious. No?

HBG, You still have to explain which rule my deleted thread broke.

AbuHanifa: Can you apply this to inanimate objects? If you hit a stone, does it react as a result of sensation or as a result of the impact of the force?

We don't know. We are almost sure that a stone has no sensation but we can never be 100% sure. What we know however is that it reacts to its environment. And for me, that is being conscious of its environment because I don't see how you can react to something you are not conscious of.

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