₦airaland Forum

Dede1:
It is a matter of time before Nigeria ceases to be a country. There is no doubt in my mind that the disintegration of Nigeria shall be a sudden occurrence with people of similar culture coupled with geographical proximity binding together for common course.

People are still hiding behind the foolishness of 1967 where many southern Nigerians were hoodwinked by propaganda and scared by unfounded Igbo domination. Now, I believed the scales had fallen off their eyes unfortunately they are yet to overcome the personal denial of stupi.dity.

why should nigeria cease to be a country,,,,,why!!!!!

Obiagu1:
It will be very difficult (near impossible) to separate the Igbos and the Yorubas in Nigeria today. Both don't kill each other like the North do to southerners. I think we have existed as Southern Nigeria before Amalgamation and can still exist at the demise of Nigeria.
But it has to be the same format, every region takes care of itself.

obiagu1, why does nigeria have to separate

[size=15pt]some of my igbo brother are delusional, i come to this trend having an intelligent discussion with everyone including yorubas, and they answered my questions clearly without any insult or anyone getting angry

i barly start asking my igbo brothers question (i did not involve Akhenaten in to this discussion) and next thing they start tell me how anti-igbo i am, i am not half igbo , it is not in there culture

so the elders from anambra state that told me my heritage are lairs  

so ezeuche that is half ibibio half igbo is accepted as igbo but me half kanuri half igbo, i am not accepted,,, what double standard is this

i am really getting tried of all this people saying i am not igbo because it is very very annoying and an insult not only the the igbo elders but to igbo culture in general [/size]

Akhenaten:
It is very hard I must say. I[b]t takes away from very intelligent debates, when you have people trying to create trouble. If you do not confront those who continue to spread lies, [/b]people will take their words as the truth. Just look at the Republicans in the United States and how they control the message better than the Democrats. The American people start to believe the lies that peddled by Republicans and the nation suffers.

so are you saying that i am lying when i brought out links to show you that you are wrong

asha 80:
Akhenaten when you stay in nairaland long enough you will learn to ignore some people.

like who may i ask

Akhenaten:
I should have done this a long time ago. You are ignored from now on. Now we can go back to discussing the topic.

abegi c'mon here, mumu even those Nler before you know me that i support igbos for the right cause not lying that we are united when we are not

i even wasted my time to show you links, you are here posting crap

i will not be surprise if an igbo man lying to be ikwerri come and post crap just like abadaba or andre uweh

Missy85:
you too, you know how to pull their legs

leave Akhenaten alone pls

no i am not pulling anyone's leg

all i suggested was how to unite igbos from ika to ikwerri etc and he just started boiling like oil in sahara desert  

go to cultural section, you will see me tellng ika and ikwerri people that they are one with igbo,, i have never tried to divide the igbos never!!!!

but thank fo your post

Akhenaten:
M[b]y cultural threads are crap?   Showing Igbo masquerades and Ekpe festivals are crap[/b]? Internet troll I have no time for you. Listen to other people's words, Igbo affairs do not concern you. And you will be refuted with extreme prejudice.

Ama nna gi chiekwa.

all those picture were lovely, i really loved them, and they are rare pictures also

but since u came to the political section, u have been posting crap

Missy85:
makes your blood boil!!!!

na wa o

whatever happened to free speech. how can you ban somebody from commenting on an Igbo issue, simply because they are not/you suspect they are not Igbo?

democracy anyone?

thank you ooooo

if i have posted that we igbo are have igbos in cameroun and ika and ikwerri are igbo they all will say i am a true igbo,,,, but now i am saying how do we unite them they all are shouting

Akhenaten:
Well I agree with you for the most part. It just makes my blood boil, when people try to interfere in Igbo affairs. You never hear of the Igbo being worried about other groups.

alj harem is an internet troll who should be banned. It sickens me that the moderators have not banned him. All the nonsense about who is Igbo and who isn't started with nonsensical posting.

just keep shut, i am half igbo just like ezeuche is half ibibio so stop this ur nonsense

is it because i do not support your views makes me a non-igbo

who are you to even tell me that u dey craze
,, yes i agree with Abagworo it is an internal matter

Abagworo:
This Igbo argument is off topic and should be done in our cultural Igbo threads.Alj Harem cannot determine our boundaries for us.

That said,Igbos need to avoid being lured into arguing with non-Igbos about our culture.All these Ikwerre,Ika,Igbo etc issues are more or less internal Igbo affairs.

Back to topic; I still maintain my stand on Nigeria remaining as one entity practising true federalism.

i agree with you, but this man called Akhenaten is been posting crap since he joined NL

Akhenaten:
alj harem1, I advise you to listen to eku_bear. Stay out of Igbo affairs. It doesn't concern you. And you are not half Igbo. We don't have that in any Igbo culture that I know. You either Igbo or you aren't.

that is bul.lshit,, you here me bull.poo

i am half igbo just like there are half ibibio and half igbo so stop this your nonsense ok

is eze uche not half ibibio half arochukwu

eku_bear:
Abeg, let the Igbo and their neighbors resolve who is Igbo and who isn't. Doesn't really concern any of the rest of us, I think.

Akhenaten:
Thank you. Speak some sense into your brothers. Igbo affairs do not concern anyone but the Igbos themselves. It is not like we Igbos worry ourselves who is Hausa, Yoruba etc.

well, i am half igbo and i can talk for my people  

Akhenaten:
The reason why I am angry with people like you is because you are talking pure crap.

When did Delta IGBO deny being Igbo? They wouldn't be calling themselves Delta Igbo if they didn't consider themselves Igbo.

And your nonsense about the Ngwa make me sick. My ancestors who founded my village are Ngwa and my village speaks the Northern Ngwa dialect. If we consider ourselves Igbo, what does that tell you?

if you like throw up or vomit i really do not care.
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this is a quote from a delta ibo

""ok prof,its obvious that u are from across the niger.lol(no hard feelings). I bet you would never guess where i came from without my first and married names, and i can def.tell that you are an igbo person from your name. I believe you can tell the difference in your dialects because you are from that part of the country,but as for people from outside,we see all igbo people as one.(and i know they see themselves as such)and as i am personally not interested in exploring all the igbo dialects nor their different accents,i know i can tell when an igbo person speaks with an accent.Based on the fact that some igbos think we are trying to fit in ,and the basis of this discussion being what we love most about being Delta ibo, i still love the fact that we dont have the igbo accent amongst other things."""

tell me what you think without insult

Akhenaten:
Our ethnicity is defined predominately defined by our language. The cultural aspect varies from clan to clan, but for the most part, we are similar. However, I would stop at language, because if I use culture, some Igbos are similar to Igala or Bini, and my very own cultural practices are similar to other groups such as the Ibibio/Efik/Annang.

You do know that Igbos are found in great numbers in Bonny? Igbo language is the dominant language, since many Igbo slaves could be found in that region. The same goes for Opobo to the extent that the Ibani language will be extinct in our lifetime while Igbo is flourishing.

Yoruba has varius dialects, but you don't see people dividing over that. And I am pretty sure culture varies from one Yoruba clan to another.

I find it funny that it is Non-Igbos trying to dictate who is Igbo and who isn't.

yes you are right , but the various yoruba dialect you are talking about see each other as yoruba

in SE not all groups agree that they are igbo
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how do we solve that issue

Akhenaten:
Please stop with your hogwash. If you read the actual links you provided, you would have found that the people came to the conclusion that they are Igbo. They just have different cultural identity. Igbos are united by language. This is what unites Igbo. And shared beliefs as well.

Why are you trying so hard to divide the Ndi Igbo? People are moving pass division and joining the wider Igbo. Only a small fraction of Igbos are having a problem with the group identity. Many Igbos do not even looked to their clans, because Igbos are mixed now.

BTW, my Igbo identity is made up of Ikwerre, Ngwa, Mbaise, Ibeku and Umuopara.

why do u sound angry

is it me that used those user names

who is trying to divide ndigbo

all i am saying is that ikwerre, ika and delta ibo do not see themselves as igbos

abi ogini what is your problem with me

even Ngwa is shaky as igbo

now the question you should be asking is why, and how can we unite them, that's all

jason123:
Lol. This was a SIMILAR problem I was discussing with OLA EDO $ EZIACHI and they clarified it (thank you guys). Now, the same issue is raised here. How can you try to force ethnicity on people? How can you say igbos stretch to bonny island when ikwerris do not regard themselves as igbos? What defines igbo? Is it the language, culture or etc? If that is the case, yorubas can say nupes, binis and igalas are yorubas but you do not see them FORCE ethnicity on anyone? Watch what you type because its actually scaring people away from you. Learn to accept people for who they are and stop typing trash(no offence but its the truth).

THANK you jason
#and i have given him the groups he mentioned below

alj harem1:
as i said, i really do not want to insult u but instead you have decided to insult me,ok

i will prove to you that delta ibo do not see themselves as igbos


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-458875.160.html

the above is an ika man saying he is not igbo

http://et-ee.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=4219836762&topic=4301

the above are delta ibo saying they are not igbo

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-421192.192.html

the above are ikwerri saying they are not igbo,, in fact one of the poster say his father told him that he is clearly not an igbo man

do you want more

as for igbo issue just shut u mouth ok, because u clearly know nothing about igbo unity all you do is NL, i have lived far and wide in nigeria and i know how almost all the ethnic group think of themselves so shuuuus your mouth ok

and abadaba username is not a south-south igbo but andre-uweh

he should tell if those people are igbo or not when they have clearly stated they are not igbo

eku_bear:
^-- Most of the Yoruba who betray their people have done so in collaboration with outsiders. This is part of the reason why strong federalism or outright independence is appealing to me. These guys cannot go run off to Abuja to hide from their people who they have betrayed 

ok the yorubas nation is settle for now atleast until i think of other reasons BUT I LAST THING BEFORE I GO WHAT HAPPENS TO EDO, DELTLA STATE

NOW I WANT IGBOS AND SOUTH-SOUTH TO COME SO I CAN TACKLE THEM AS WELL

@poster good observation igbo people are strong i can tell you that

but the same goes to jews, hausa, yorubas, ijaws, japanese people, rwanda, beroms etc

all this groups have faced either 1 type of war or genocide, i think you should give them credit too for there bravery

Missy85:
harem, you prob have a greater interest than most on here, in preserving nigeria as one.

But it is disingenuous to suggest that intra tribal strife will becoome common place & thats a reason not to break up.

First, i think each tribe/govt will manage their own problems like other countries do.

Second, the idea that Ekiti people for instance will load up on anti quated double barrels & declare a war on Ibadan is preposterous. And if it happens, that will be a matter for the Yoruba govt to deal with.  Why are you so concerned about that. Arent there inter tribal strifes in Ghana, China, or even in the Uk during footbal matches betwn scotland & england.

missy85, i understand what you mean now and i agree with you

the only problem is that yorubas have a history of people who betray there race eg afonja, banjo, tinubu, bode geroge etc that how do you trend to coup with that

mejimeji:
alhj harem i with you can you belife in the ecowas solution.gbagbo not ready danger for us all the stanger in ivory coast.i dont belif in obasanjo system.

can you in details tell us the situation in ivory coast,,,, in details pls

kettykin:
The hausa and Biroms not only need to stop killing one another but also they need to stop killing southerners like ibos in their communities.

One remembers the riots from the 50s till date when they targeted ibos, now you are targetting each other,
Also I suggest to hausa not to seek political posts in jos just as non indigenes don't seek political posts in kano , shekena.

i agree but they both need to stop this there madness of killing each other

Olusegun obasanjo

Gen. Buhari


Ojukwu

Awolowo

Tafa balewa

those are charismatic leaders to me

Chrisbenogor:
LOL you guys cannot even agree on which igbo is the real one lol. Tribal lines would always be blurry.

don't mind them and that Akhenaten is telling me crap,,

Missy85:
to the person that said after separation  the various parts will start fighting each other, ie, igbos will fight yourubas.

Over what? We wont share borders, so what are we going fight for.

Yorubas will TRY to operate a liberal democracy, and prob form some kind of economic free movement area with Igbos & niger deltans so you guys can continue to do your business in the SW freely.

I dont expect yorubas will drive anyone away from their territory.

you don't expect but they will do it first off all before they get back to been relax again

also, it is not yoruba vs igbo

it is yoruba vs yoruba,,, igbo vs igbo, fulani vs kanuri,,,,, ika vs ikwerri,,,  urhobo vs isoko,, tiv  vs  beroms,,, etc,,,, if we separate

mejimeji:
we are in bad condition in this country.no security.only god will help us lg no redy for legitim president.tell 9ija government we are in danger gbagbo want to kill us.we need security.we are in abidjan god bless 9ija

do not worry it is in the hands of God (Allah) and thank your stars they have given it to a man of discipline OBJ. Most nairalander do not know the situation in your country, they just come here and post crap. i also pray ecowas will get there before a civil war starts

Chrisbenogor:
I do not think separation along tribal lines would do us any good, after all the remaining areas would have to deal with each other, the Igbos would turn and fight the yoruba's the SS would tell all to stay clear if their oil. But along religious lines well that would be more feasible. Why not just practice true federalism?

gbam is that not what i have been telling them on this forum
just to add, the north also will fight for seperation

Akhenaten:
Delta Igbo are not Igbo? I never heard such foolishness before in my life. Ikwerre do not speak Igbo? That is something new as well. Igbo is spoken all the way down to Bonny Island. Divisions of Igboland will be resisted with extreme prejudice.

Do not speak on issues you do not know nothing about. Thank you very much. I have already told you before to stay out of Igbo affairs. Only friends of the Ndi Igbo can comment on Igbo issues.

as i said, i really do not want to insult u but instead you have decided to insult me,ok

i will prove to you that delta ibo do not see themselves as igbos


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-458875.160.html

the above is an ika man saying he is not igbo

http://et-ee.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=4219836762&topic=4301

the above are delta ibo saying they are not igbo

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-421192.192.html

the above are ikwerri saying they are not igbo,, in fact one of the poster say his father told him that he is clearly not an igbo man

do you want more

as for igbo issue just shut u mouth ok, because u clearly know nothing about igbo unity all you do is NL, i have lived far and wide in nigeria and i know how almost all the ethnic group think of themselves so shuuuus ur mouth ok

and abadaba username is not a south-south igbo but andre-uweh

redsun:
I don't see OBJ as a yoruba,i see him as a fcking nigerian that deserves to pay for his crimes against humanity.

now you are talking

but how did he commit crimes against humanity

pls i am waiting for your answer

eku_bear:


Why on earth would you not want to be in a country with your own people? I don't get it. If you want autonomy, you can have that. Just have true federalism in your constitution so your state is virtually autonomous.

i agree with abagworo, i also would perfer if borno state forms it's own nation rather than arewa republic

Mobinga:
Finally, you are correct.  Notice the map, no western state.

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/LocationBiafra.PNG[/img]

i know biafra has no western state
i was talking in terms of if yorubas form there nation, ss form there nation and igbo from there nation

each nation will further disintegrate as there is no real unity