₦airaland Forum

Obiagu1:
@ eku_bear, clever boy lol.

Now you dropped Igbo population in Lagos to 20%. Good. If Yoruba population in Kwara is 85%, then Kwara is a Yoruba state and there won't be this clamour for Oya State (Yoruba speakers in Kwara and Kogi). Really clever from you

i know, he is very smart

kwara amd kogi is just a way of yorubas have political relevance in the north

just like itsekiri in delta

igbos do this as well in the case of benue and delta state

northerners do this as well

it all the struggle to maintain power,.,., smh

Cue:
Sorry Alhaji,its absolutely impossible that kano is bigger than lagos.u talk bout chad and Niger when we talk bout thousands and thousands of people migrating to lagos daily from other parts of the country?its IMPOSSIBLE and not even a topic for arguement.  
But I dont know why u guys keep talkin about voting strenght?Dont u Guys kno how presidential elections are won?
I said it b4, ITS AT LEAST 2/3 OF ALL VOTES CAST IN AT LEAST 2/3 OF ALL STATES IN NIGERIA!!!!!NOT SIMPLE MAJORITY.
And because of this,all states have equal strenght and count as one,irrespective of population, !!!

brother that is not the case here

lagos has more population density than kano due to the size of the state

kano has more population spread over a larger area

at second paragraph, election won by counting votes but realistically it is won by states

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=609783.msg7789016#msg7789016 date=1298505837]@Obiagu1:

Let's make the following (imo, generous) assumptions:


SE, 98% Igbo, 7028560
Rivers State, 70% Igbo, 2419057
Delta, 30% Igbo, 1900055
Lagos, 20% Igbo, 6247845
SW minus Lagos, 2% Igbo, 8050511
Northern Nigeria, 5% Igbo, 33.11 million

Let's multiply and add up:
octave:22> 7028560*0.98+2419057*.7+1900055*.3+6247845*.2+8050511*.02+33.11*1e6*.05
ans =  1.2217e+07


We get 12.217 million Igbo votes including the North, 10.562 million excluding it. So you are getting 1.655 million additional votes in the North.

Let's do the same for Yoruba:
SW - Lagos, 95% Yoruba, 8050511
Lagos, 50% Yoruba, 6247845
Kwara, 85% Yoruba, 1115665
Kogi, 25% Yoruba, 1215405
Rest of North, 1%, 33.11*1e6 - 1115665 - 1215405

Multiply and add up:
octave:27> 8050511*.95+6247845*.5+1115665*.85+1215405*.25+.01*(33.11*1e6-1115665-1215405)
ans =  1.2332e+07

So 12.332 million Yoruba votes including Kwara and Kogi and the North, 10.772 million in the SW alone. So 115k more Yoruba votes than Igbo, even
assuming that the North is as populated as they claim.

But what if we slash this Northern population in half? Including Kwara and Kogi? Igbo votes:
octave:35> 7028560*0.98+2419057*.7+1900055*.3+6247845*.2+8050511*.02+33.11*1e6*.05*1/2
ans =  1.1390e+07

Yoruba votes:
octave:36> 8050511*.95+6247845*.5+1/2*(1115665*.85+1215405*.25+.01*(33.11*1e6-1115665-1215405))
ans =  1.1552e+07

Our advantage has increased slightly, from 115k to 162k votes.

This in a nutshell is why I'm not convinced that Igbo are the most numerous anymore. The assumptions here I think were somewht generous:
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[*] I assumed 20% of Lagos is Igbo, only 50% of Lagos is Yoruba. My suspicion is something more like 60%/15% might be more accurate.
[*] I also gave you 70% of Rivers.
[*] And assumed that 1 out of every 20 residents of the North are Igbo.
[*] In the first calculation, I accepted the Northern %s on face value.
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But despite this, it appears that Yoruba are more numerous.[/quote]moreover, you did not calculate the northerners in SW AND SE AND SS

the yorubas in SE AND SS

beginning of the end of ACN

finally

Cue:
@ Alh remi.I like your reasonin.at least u try to back up urs with logic.but d population figures say nothing about d real pic of Ibos.they are too many in other people's lands and were so when naija was counted.moreover a lot of people were not counted cos officials didnt show up in many places and sensitization was not done so peeps sisnt see d importance.Moreover the census was rigged.clearest example is when they said kano was more populous than lagos.scandalous,

thank you, at least you are the first igbo that see it from my point of view

now, we all know the igbo population is a lot more than the figures given to us but remember igbos are found all over thus reducing there population in the south-east and reducing there vote strenght as a group

as for kano state, i believe it is more populous than lagos because there are alot of migrates from chad, niger etc and other states

kano state picture
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business district in kano
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jason123:
I miss counted. My bad.

Btw, I thought Ondo was part of the SS

ondo is part of niger/delta not ss

jason see
https://insidenigeria.org/images/bigmap_of_nigeria.gif

jason123:
Abuja is not a state, its a federal territory. In fact, its the true definition of "no man's land"

jason NC IS 6 states without abuja

Muza:
Become? i thought they had always been irrelevant. . .

beats me

Cue:
i hate it when people are so blinded wth ethnic bile, and i aint talkin bout u jason,cos your tryn to do this intellectually, everyone else has 6 at least and some have 7, one and only one has 5.its easier to bring the 5 to 6,than to raise all the sixes to sevens, dat being rational and is an arguement easier put forward, its dat simple and is even generally accepted already!!!

why should there be 6 when the land is insignificant moreover the population does not support the idea of 6 states

there is not ethnic bile here, i am only saying the truth,.,., hope you are not offended by it

fstranger3:
Inferiority complex? Igbos? Sounds familiar?

not necessary

Ola edo:
Urhobo claims of being 5th largest ethnic group:

http://upumn.com/index_files/Page362.htm


Here's a funny one. I'm sure you can pick out where that funny and hysterical part is:

http://urhoboculturalleague.com/Urhobo%20People.html


Most recent falsity

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/02/ewherido-vows-to-reposition-urhobo-nation/

the second site just killed it

but i think there claim is more realistic than ijaw

jason123:
You are joking. Why can't the yorubas agitate for a 7th state (Oya state) since the NW has 7 states?? GEJ CANNOT create that state unless he creates OYA STATE. Do you see the Dilemma?

not only that, the north east will wants states as well, he can not favour the SE over the country

but lets see if he would

Cue:
GEJ can decide to create only 1 state, an Ibo one and b justified.In case u havent heard,the Zone is the only one dat has only 5states,thereby creatin a revenue sharin and other related matters imbalance,

nope, he dares not. if he make 1 more state which is anioma state he has to make other states for other zones

where is the land you want to make the state in,.,.,. please be realistic here
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fstranger3:
But Ibos already claim 99% of Lagos, how do we get 20% for the Kanuris, are we annexing Ogun state again, Alhaji?

99% is too much

if igbos make up to 40% of lagos as they claim, then kanuri is about 15%, hausa/fulani is about 20% is what is left for the yorubas then,

Cue:
Pls,4 avoidance of doubt,dis is wikipedia sourcing from the most relaible demographic scientists in the world, which kind Kanuris are we talkin bout here vis a vis d Ibos?please!!!
.Ethnic groups
Nigeria, which is Africa's most populous country, is composed of more than 250 ethnic groups; the following are the most populous and politically influential: Hausa and Fulani 29%, Yoruba 21%, Igbo 18%, Ijaw 6.5%, Ibibio 4.5%, Kanuri 4%, Annang 3.5%, Tiv 2.5%, Efik 2%.[4] These percentages are estimates, based on the number of settlements, including the number of towns, villages, hamlets and cities, with information supplied by the Nigeria postal service. Although, these estimates have come under opposition by those who believe the ethnic group population counts have been tampered with for ethnic numerical superiority.[5][6][7]

bull.crap, this is wikipedia where people like becomrich can edit

Obiagu1:
GEJ will create Anioma State if he wins.

if not sure yet

but if he does, then he has to make ngwa state, oya state, okun state, deilta state (itsekiri), zozo state in the north (jos), esan (edo), obi state (edo)

sani state as well

Obiagu1:
If that is true, give me the estimate of Urhobo, Isoko and Ijaw.

urhobo/isoko = 18 %

ijaw = 25%

itsekiri = 25%

others =2%

jason123:
No. Igbos are certainly more than the Kanuris. The Hausas and the Yorubas have the same population within a negliable error margin. What make the Core North more than the yorubas is the fulani.

guy how are you sure,.,.,., we all know ijaws are not even more than the igalas and yet they have mouth

igbos are everywhere, come to the north you would see kanuris everywhere as well

do you know kanuri makes up about 20% of lagos

Obiagu1:
Sure. We only have to bridge the divide between SE and SS which we are already doing or trying to do. At worst, If an Igbo vies for a position, SS Igbos' votes will be guaranteed.

may be, only if ohaneze or jonathan promise them something

anioma people are feeling separated from their brothers

jason123:
From these sites above, it shows that Yoruba and Hausa (without the Fulani) have the same number. I guess it is because of the high rate of polygamy that is prevalent in the two ethnic groups.

which mean kanuri and igbos are the same number

i would love this election you know

nwabobo:
I beg to disagree on th OP's bases of conclusion. The op seems to base his conclusion mainly on d number of registered voters. We all know of a truth that of d more than 6m registered voters in Lagos=, at least 1/3 of that figure is Igbo. This trend is also maintained in other regions.

This is the same lies they were bandying around about Ndigbo and education until JAMB started publishing their data based on actual state of origin. Maybe INEC should toe d same line.

Truth be told, if there were free and fair elections in Nigeria, Ndigbo would be d most sought after bride in any part of Nigeria as their bloc vote could determine who wins. In that situation, it won't be out of place to have an Igbo deputy governor in a place likke Lagos state with significant Igbo population. It is not for magnanimity sake that you have/had 2 Igbo sons on the executive council of Lagos state.

In an ideal situation, the title of d post should be As Ndigbo gains relevance.

keep talking about lagos when those executive igbo sons of yours do not even know where SE is not to even talk of enugu

do you know the official language for debate in lagos is yoruba,.,.,. which means your igbo sons are now part and parcel of the yoruba state

chai!!!!!

nwabobo:
I'll rather run than commit suicide. Obafami Awolowo committed suicide.

http://www.republicreport.com/how-awolowo-committed-suicide-written-by-abdulmunini-adeku/

guy give me another website not a biafran website

i have proof that awolowo did not commit suicide and i have posted on nairaland before my igbo brothers started there tribal bashing

do you want me to prove to you again ? i can you know

Solomon227:
I doubt if you are a Nigerian.

So our president is importing dust-bins from UK and you expect us to hug him and shout dansaki bah?

Our president plane was used in flying an accused criminal from Ibadan to Abuja to caste vote and we should keep quiet?

Our presidents have 133 aides on jumbo pays while 50% of Bayelsa state have not been reached by national grid, make we dey worship him bah?

Our president friends are :OGD (confirmed looker/killer), OBJ (grandfather of looters), Anenhin (Mr fix-it), etc so those are our friends ?

Since he came in the foreign reserve has depleted by over 50% with nothing to show for it and u still think we are talking thrash?

Guy this is Nairaland and we dont need any morafoka foreign posts from your likes. U can emigrate to Rwanda 4 all we care, those of us that believe in Nigeria will do everything to make sure right things are done in our fatherland.

thank you, the best response for an ignoramus

Ola edo:
We yorubas will not fold are arms.

mumu chyz, it has nothing to do with yoruba alone,., ode olodo

it has to do with ibibio, igbo, yoruba, bini, itsekiri and others

PhysicsMHD:
[size=18pt]GEJ's anti-tribalistic attitude will provide a nice, convenient cover for Ijaw expansionism and power-grabbing.


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gbam

jason123:
I saw this late.

I definitely see things from Beaf's point of view. I mean, I was part of the "GEJ's supporters club" until he started disappointing me CONSTANTLY. Now, why should I support such man? Is it because he is my ethnic neighbour? or because he is going to fix Nigeria? I always take Nigeria first before anything and[b] I have nothing to lose if GEJ becomes the president, in fact, it is the opposite[/b]   . But the thing is, my conscience does not allow me to just close my eyes and see Nigerians walk into another PDP trap.

if only beaf and others can have a good conscience like this smh

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=609783.msg7788246#msg7788246 date=1298495570]Even if the ABN chief was your papa nko? Obviously this thread/whining wont have been needed.
Trying to claim power where you'd had nothing to show for it. Yes, the "Yoruba-Hausa-Fulani Oligarchy" will continue to control una.[/quote]not necessary

Beaf:
We still await the rest of NL's tribalist gangs to congregate.

why try to invite them,.mumu

why can't u start a thread without been biased