₦airaland Forum

excanny:
Rubbish. You can only be Igbo if your father is Igbo.

excanny:
I put that in because of your claims that those monies were petty and small. At least you agreed with me that it was not some little change, hence the fear to return them to their owners.

ok they may be small, they may be large, all i know is that the money that was earn then was an average of about 20 pounds but all in all it is a bad part of our history that i think we should forget so nigeria can move forward

sorry excanny if i had made you angry, because i also have loved ones that die during that part of our history

Ola edo:
Hey it doesn't matter Igbo man.

good one now ola edo, we can make progress with this new found relationship of respect is reciprocal

Ola edo:
Obviously the Igbos don't have hate for the north because you are half Igbo and half northerner right? so if the igbo had hate for the northerner you wouldnt be here right?

and if i am igbo then why do they say i am not igbo then

St-Israelyan:
I Einstein-jnr St-Israelyan would be the best of the igbo histry,
Watch out for me,

yes indeed just keep working hard and you will turn out fine

afam4eva:
You have proven without reasonable doubt that you're a FOOL. Do you have any proof  that Igbo communities were singing when the coup occured. Pls don't let amadioha cut of those fingers you're using to type nonsense.

look, you do not have to insult me, is there a prove that biafra kill my uncles

is there a prove that biafra committed atrocities in edo state

so do not come here and start telling me what i know it is embrassing that you do not know that after all the hate poison your parents are feeding you about the north and yorubas

excanny:
Y[b]ou talk as if all Igbos packed their bags and headed for Lagos. Some weren't even based in Western Nigeria. Now I ask you. Other Igbos that returned to their former locations when their houses was plundered and seized, did they die of homelessness? I said it made no fukcing difference. Moreover it's theirs and when they lost the war they became nigerians again, not foreigners. There no stupi.d favour here. If you gave them new residences. That might be considered a help.[/b]


This is the most ridiculous posts I've ever read from you. Which Igbo parent will leave his kids behind and run to Biafra. Really silly. Those who risked remaining stayed with their children. Those who left, left with them. Stop talking nonsense.

You think if it were some petty money, it makes sense to seize them. Those monies were enough to prosecute another war. Why was an account not given of those monies, after all they were in the banks with all the records. Why the fear to return the accounts to their owners.

at the first paragraph 6 months after the war, igbos were back in lagos doing there business back.

also, the ones that were not given there houses back is non of my business it has to do with the ijaw and ikwerri in port-harcount; not me

@ second paragraph,; silly as it may sound, yes it happened, not ever one supported the war both on the igbo side or on the nigerian side, some were even close friend but of different ethnic group

think of it this way, if my family are been killed in Imo and i know that if i go back to borno state, i am ready to face a war, but we have been close friends for 15-20 yrs; would you not keep my children for me, are you going to kill them or allow any body to kill them,,,,,, NO

@ third paragraph,

and if i am in a war, and i know that if i give you you money back you will start another war, why would i now give it to you back so you can kill me or even worse start another war

Guyman02:
You keep typing trash. Igbos never celebrated the actions of a few military officers led by Major Kaduna Nzeogwu who sees himself as more of a Hausa man because of his mother then. He joined Biafra when he knew that his Hausa cousins wanted his head.

what are you talking about, read carefully

i said the IGBO COMMUNITIES IN SOKOTO AND KANO WERE SINGING WHEN THE COUP HAPPEN DID I SAY ALL THE IGBOS WERE HAPPY BECAUSE OF THE COUP

I KNOW THAT A LOT OF IGBOS WERE UNHAPPY AFTER THE COUP BUT THE ONES IN SOKOTO AND KANO WERE DIFFERENT

Guyman02:
We should learn to give praise to anybody who has done well. I think the Igbos have really worked hard to survive in Nigeria after their losses in the war. Nigeria has not been really fair to them and other citizens in the West and the North.
Sometimes I respect OBJ for one thing, he commends you if you do well and never forgives if you offend no matter your tribe.
The Yorubas gained a lot from the war with Awo as Finance Minister, they controlled the banks until Elumelu came into the system with Standard Trust bank and changed banking in Nigeria.
The bought all the shares in the major multinationals like Nestle, NBL, Cadbury, Kewalrams, Leventis etc (Igbos entered the market when there was a global meltdown and lost so much money in the ensuing kalo -kalo) Yorubas controlled the oil industry (Shell, Mobil, Chevron, AGIP etc) because the abokis only wanted the money and political not who works there as indigenous staff and the Niger Deltans were too backward to fit in.

The Igbos were far ahead of the regions in Nigeria and were recognised as the fastest growing economy in the world in early sixties.
In the North they are always victims of attack by the Hausas as a result of jealousy and every riot starts with the looting and burning of their shops and churches.
The Igbos are the tribe that is truly unifying Nigerians, because they live in the midst of all tribes whether Nupe, Fulani, Kagoro, Ogbomosho you find them there.
Unlike the Hausas and Fulanis, they make no attempt to takeover your land and forcefully rule over you. They would rather earn their money and negotiate to buy portions from you and still pay homage to your native traditions without imposing their culture on you.

good one

but is it right for them to blame the civil war on the south-westeners and insult them

is it right for them to take credit for something they have not done on there own

Abagworo:
I'm glad some people have started waking up from their slumber.It is so wrong of anybody labelling the actions of FG or a group of people as representing an entire ethnic group.

A look at the cause of the civil war will reveal that the action of Nzeogwu and some other Igbo officers from Delta state and SE was taken to be the action of the entire innocent Igbo civilians.

yes you are right, but what really added oil to the fire was when after the coup was done, the igbo community in sokoto and kaduna then were celebrating saying "we rule now" this and that making the northern muslim feel bad, even to the radios then. i think that was what made the youth angry back then

afam4eva:
Hatred and tribalism is the bane of what we're facing in this country. When they say fashola is doing well we all celebrate him but when it comes to praising the efforts of Ndigbo who after the civil war have re-intergrated themselves into the scheme of things in Nigeria, it becomes a debate. God help all of you.

yes as i said earlier igbo people deserve a round of applause , take a look at the first page , i was 1 of the first people to commitment on it.
Fashola is a good man because he did not only make lagos better but also acknowledge the igbo community there by the eze indigo of lagos and an igbo commissioner.

but all i am arguing about is that credit should be given to the people of SW for there accommodiating nature and also helping the igbos to integrate into the system back

that's all

fingard02k:
is because you dont live here (anambra).Both ezza,ikwo,izzi,abakiliki etc are all being discriminated.Once they (people) know that you are from ebonyi,you will be regarded as nothing,animal.Even hausa people mock them by calling them nwa aba.Those people have suffered alot from both anambrarians,enugu,imo,abia that resides in anambra

i have lived in anambra and i know this thing go on.

what we have to do is educate the people so as to see that they are one and igbo like us

that is all

although it is a shame that at this time things like this still happens

dem_people:
I honestly thought this thread would've died within the first page. Why its been dragged this far with the aversion of common sense commentary is something rather to be frowned upon. Why do non-Igbos here find it difficult to give credit where one is due? Isn't it purely logical and common sense to agree with the first poster - that Ndigbo have done remarkably well since the end of civil war given the circumstances they faced? What's "chest-beating", "arrogant"and "boastful" about Ndigbo agreeing affirmatively? Is it now a crime by Ndigbo to be happy and to acknowledge applause from a non-Igbo about how far they've come since the genocide? You guys should chill, seriously.  

Infact I'm really glad knowing this forum. Its really a microcosm of the Nigerian mind and its cynical attitude to certain peoples' collective success.

we all agree with the op but you can not give credit to the igbos alone upon there success other nigerian help them as brothers not as biafrans or any other thing but as brother, so you can not claim credit to igbo alone because it is not fair on the other communities that helped the nidigbo

russellino:
@alj harem - I want you to tell me, why do i need to obtain permission from other ethnic groups before i highlight the greatness in my people and secondly why should I give a rats fart that others feel threatened by what i believe are positives. no doubt some people may be insensitive to others but that should NEVER deter you from saying what you are proud of

no one is saying you should give any rat as.s to anyone

all i am saying is that igbos did not do it on there own but by the help of other nigerians that all

igbos can not take credit for what they did not do on there own

excanny:
1. Were their houses not also bombed in Biafra

2. If they had stolen them like it was done in other parts of the country, it wouldn't have made any difference. After all, it's theirs. Can you help me with my own properties? Nonsense.

3. Asked Yorubas to keep their children and went where? Does that makes sense to you? What about the millions of children that were starved to death by Awo and Adekunle?

4. They were given back 20 pounds? What about the remaining thousands of pounds they own? Where's the money?

5. That's a big lie. Were they given jobs or purged from the civil service. Why did you think some Igbos took to trading.

1.) there houses were bombed in biafra but they lost(and hear again lost) the war, so it is a favour, you hear me

2.)now you are talking that it makes no difference, but those that had houses then know what i mean

also, it is within the nations right not to give back their properties because again they lost the war,,haba moreover the indigenes of lagos were kind to even accept them into there properties back, is ohaneze and other igbo organisation not clamouring for there houses back in port-harcount, as i said earlier you own no house so you can not talk
3.) yes some yoruba people and even some northerners keep igbo children from the war when there parents adamantly when back to the east although they were warn by there yoruba neighbour just like during census when all the igbos ran back to the east for counting

4.)what thousands of pounds are you talking about,,,,  how many igbos back then own 100 pounds tell me even 30 pounds tell me. majority of the people back then did not have an account not to even talk of thousands in banks.

5.) some igbos took into trade because most of them are semi-illiterate; that is they only stoped at secondary school level even when there parent tell them to go to university.
also there is more money to be made in trade that been employed unless you are in the top executive office or post.

moreover igbos love to be there own leader and they do not like to be boss around unlike others

oludashmi:
Why are you disappointed? Didnt you crown him?

i am surprised as well that even after the respect i have for him, he still had to insult

PhysicsMHD:
lol, the woman in that portrait has a weird smile

As for the question in the title, Edo are sometimes erroneously referred to as Yoruba by people who aren't all that knowledgeable about Nigeria. I've seen it in about 6 different websites so far.

See these links for example:


http://www.historywiz.com/benin.html

http://exploringafrica.matrix.msu.edu/students/curriculum/m9/activity3.php

but was Edo not part of the yoruba empire just asking

jason123:
Was it the yorubas that seized it or Nigeria? It was just fortunate that awo was the financial minister then. Yorubas have done nothing to deserve the insult you all give to them. About any blockade, would it have been possible without your neighbours? What about the igbos that were protected and educated then in western part of Nigeria? My parents (itsekiri) also benefited from their policies back then and thats why the mid-west would always be grateful to them unlike you guys (some not all) that benefited and still insult them. It is quite unfair and annoying to repay the accommodating nature and free nature of the yorubas with insults. This is the truth!

gbammm

most of them do not know this things all they have heard is rubbish from there parents in america.

i have noticed that once a south westerner comes on this forum, he leaves with the dislike of igbos in his heart

most south-westerner have loved igbos and manage to live side by side with them for years now.

i mean, OPC does not disturb them (Igbos) but once an OPC man heard northerner, his blood start boiling

i think the igbos on this forum are taking the kind nature of you yorubas for stu.pidity,,,, i tell ya

fingard02k:
I dont know why this is still happening in igboland.Why do we discriminate our fellow igbo brother and sisters?,What have they done that other igbo tribes have not committed before?.Im talking about ebonyi people (abakeleke or nwa aba in an offenceive way).I had been wittnessing this day in day out,calling them all sorts of name,anything bad,is nwa aba,fight,robbery,any mistake from okada man is nwa aba.this have now made most of them (ebonyi people) to denie,ashamed of their state of origin,some will even fight you if you tell or call them nwa aba,abakiliki.many of their girl are regarded as nothing even if she is beautiful or not.they are seen as animal especial here in awka and anambra in general and other parts of igboland (im anambrarian).their is this thing that people says about that made me to bring it up here,'if abakiliki man and snake enter his/her house that he/she chase away abakiliki and leave the snake' its a popular saying.I have been adviceing people to stop it but its just like pouring water in a basket.Please help make them to understand we are one.

it is nothing new

excanny:
No. It's not worth discussing. It's an internal issue. Ohaneze should handle that.

why ohaneze

why can everyone take it upon themselves to respect others

ohaneze can not do this on there own, it has to come from individual igbos to respect one another.

kettykin:
Actually yorubas and hausas contributed nothing to the rise and recovery of ibos, rather they did every thing to minimise it, through discriminiation in employment, promotion in army, ministry e.t.c

The nation just had the first ibo COAS 44 years after 1, ibos recovere by dint of hardwork, also the oil boom in the south south contributed.
Many ibos had to do menial jobs in US and europe to survive and help their families.

Also ibos come to lagos , because it is and was the capital of Nigeria if that capital was in calabar and the sea porst there too , I doubt if ibos would have gone to lagos.
There aren't more ibos in the south western states than in the northern states. States like kaduna and plateau have more ibos than all the south west states put together ecept lagos

yes you are right but in kaduna and jos are they not killed in masses

just 2 days ago, were 60 igbos not killed in bauchi,,,,, hear yourselves when you speak

are igbo given there houses back in port-harcount NO

have you had sure in SW NO

now all i am saying is to give your yoruba neighbours some credit for there tolerance that is all

Dede1:
I do not give a hoot about you were referring in your previous post. Lagos is a federal government territory and belongs to all Nigerians although the city is situated in Yoruba enclave.

and the oil regions does not belong to all nigerinas but only igbos and southern nigerians

excanny:
You were making some good point before spoiling it with some backward tribalistic rant. What assimilation were you talking about? You mean the 20 pounds419 assimilation? What about the remaining thousands of pounds owned by Igbos in their bank accounts? You assimilated those into your pockets.

How much those it cost to build a house in PH then? Is it worth tens of thousands of pounds that were considered seized biafran accounts in banks in Lagos. I can see your help indeed!

If I may even ask you. Can you mention the help Igbos recieved after the war? Were they given some loan to start business or what? Please tell me.

they were given back there houses in lagos even though they bombed lagos in the war

2.) the indigenes of lagos keep there properties for them after the war ( i was there myself)

3.) some of the parents that asked there yoruba neighbour to keep there children save were given back to there igbo parents without any harm on them ( this i witness myself)

4.) the cost of the war was enormous and yet they were still given back 20 pounds considering the cost of food and housing then ( a bag of rice was 2.50, to rent an accomodation then was 0.50 a month)

5.) after the war, some igbos were given jobs as civil servant and teachers then( the highest payed people back then were teacher of 50 pounds)

and it goes on and on and on

Dede1:
When Lagos was declared the federal territory and capital of Nigeria, it cease to an ethnic enclave. If you think that mega city Lagos had become today is exclusively handiwork of ethnic Yoruba, than you not as claver as I thought you were previously.

no one ever said yorubas built lagos on there own,,,,, it was the help of igbo, northerners, ekiti andother yoruba people that built lagos so what are you on about

i am talking about the indigenes of lagos here not the settles

Dede1:
I hate to insult people who have not done so to me but your post tempted me to do so. I must say that you were very lazy scholar as your post had indicated. Let me repeat, the majority of Igbo renaissance in academia did not set foot in western region of Nigeria in pursuit of academics.

Granted that Yoruba were the first to wave bye-bye to the first Europeans to have set their feet in Africa, however as of 1964, there were more elementary and secondary schools in eastern region than western region. Also, there were more widespread top notch secondary schools in eastern region that western region. This was proved by three segments of Nigerian demographic services such military, academia and civil service.

look guy that was 1967 what about now or recent times

to those who say philip emeaguali is a fraudster read this

I feel like crying! Once, it was great to be Nigerian, that is, as far as technological achievement was concerned. Computer is king in this age, so anyone who makes an invention in that field becomes literarily a prince. I often surfed with head held high, happy that my motherland had stamped her name in the ICT hall of fame.
Philip Emeagwali was the source of that joy. He was revered and hailed as one great mind who’d carved a niche for himself and country by attaining great feats in Information and Communication Technology. Supposed to have made many inventions, he was called “father of the internet”, “Digital Giant” “Supercomputer genius” and many other such appellations that form the toga of uncommon achievers. The Gordon Bell Prize he won in 1989 (for his use of a connection machine supercomputer to help analyze petroleum fields) was said to have been one of the greatest honours in that field (hence, its comparison with the Nobel Prize). Emeagwali was praised to high heavens as a symbol of Nigerian resilience and creativity.
Alas! I’m saddened by this sudden turn in the news. Emeagwali has become the butt of his own countrymen. Scathing criticism, the stock-in-trade of media such as Sahara Reporters, is poured on him so vehemently. And that’s good reason for my new found gloom. They accuse Philip of being an impostor and a liar. They say he lied about the inventions he claimed and grossly inflated the value of his Gordon Bell Prize. That leaves me disappointed, for Emeagwali somehow gave me a ray of hope that yes, Nigeria is not left behind in the Information Superhighway. I’m at a loss, really. Should I bury my face in shame?
Yet, I have an axe to grind, for I’m uncomfortable at the eagerness of some commentators to make mincemeat of Emeagwali. Others may see that as further evidence that Nigeria is irretrievably lost in the throes of corruption. But for me, an opportunity presents itself to challenge the nation’s morality.
Master Jesus said it so aptly: LET HE WHO IS BLAMELESS AMONG YOU CAST THE FIRST STONE. That, for me is the challenge which I throw to everyone. Let he who’s free from lies and deception cast a rock at Emeagwali. Let he who has repented from cheating, who would shortchange no one and is absolutely trustworthy pelt Philip with stones of opprobrium. Let he who is free from bribery and corruption lead the campaign to rubbish Emeagwali.
No, I’m not following the popular line of defence that : “we’re all corrupt after all, so no one should act holier-than-thou”. Rather, I’m in of search of a fresh brand of Nigerians who can stand tall and say without fear of contradiction that they are no partakers of moral degeneracy. I believe it’s wrong to resign ourselves and claim that the whole system is corrupt and so there’s nothing anyone can do about it. It’s not true - as some would have us believe - that everyone plays a part in the decay and that makes everyone of us accomplices inevitably and unavoidably.
We’ve been fed with that crap over the years, hence young and old have been conditioned to accept that which is an aberration. Yet, I do know that there are incorruptible citizens of the Nigerian nation. That saying: “evil thrives when good people do nothing” is so true. I challenge good people to stand up for what is right. It’s not enough just to be on the look out for acts of misconduct in others so we can castigate them, taking attention away from ourselves. The onus lies on us as individuals to create the change that will better our existence.
The procedure is simple: for every act of deception you see in fellow Nigerians, decide to be the exception in truthfulness and honesty. To every deed showing power abuse by those in positions of authority, make up your mind to be an ambassador for social justice. When others devise crafty ways of getting and doing jobs, show the way and make the perverts envy your courage and uncompromising honesty. They’d ridicule you to be sure, but the bottom line is that they do respect your guts and will sooner or later fall in line. Some say no one can make headway by insisting on fairness and due process because the corrupt system and people would frustrate them out of their transparency. But darkness can only overshadow light when light refuses to shine. The benefits of instant, corrupt gain can only be temporary, bringing with it deadly consequences in the long run. But honest living endows a nation and its people with great blessings from God.
Where your compatriots play politics of blackmail and nepotism, create your political culture based on fairness, justice, equity and respect for human dignity. In places where people accept or give bribes, dare to insist on transparency and challenge others to do same.
Let it be engraved in our minds now and always that a life of integrity is possible, desirable and practicable. And having done so, we can pick up stones against anyone who soils our good name by perpetuating the corruption culture. We can do it. It begins with you!

http://community.vanguardngr.com/forum/topics/whos-qualified-to-cast-the

any update on emeagwali anyone