₦airaland Forum

russellino:
@alj harem - i think we are on the same train but you must understand that the civil war is a very touchy issue for many of us. Our people largely feel that injustice (to put it mildly) was committed and that despite the great challenges, they have not only survived but come out strong. That i believe is the point of threads such as this one. Also i stand to be corrected but isnt the original poster a non-igbo?

yes it is true, it is a touchy issue because some of my very own family members were involved in the war in fact 2 of them die as a result of the war.

also the @ the poster, we can not be sure if he is igbo or non,,,but i do not really care.

i totally agree that the igbo people are a great success story in Nigeria and as you saw on the first post made by me(first page).

but also, you have to give credit to others that have helped the igbo people to be what they are today, we can not just take credit for it all, i remember Fela and Wole soyinka (2 yoruba men) tackling the FG about the development of SE nigeria. it is even one of the reason Fela was locked up in prison and he die as a result of that, what do you now say about that.

i believe we as igbos have to be careful on what we post and what we say not only on the internet but in the community, i remember when i was in lagos, an igbo man wanted to buy suya from one hausa guy then, the way he approached the hausa guy was very very wrong ; quote " aboki, give me suya dia" and his hausa man give him the suya. but to my surprise this igbo guy did not pay the man caling hi aboki mallam etc
when the hausa guy got angry, the man brought out a knife and wanted to stab the igbo guy. what did the yorubas do, they rescued the igbo man from the hausa guy and even payed the hausa the money this man was owing.

my point is, if those yorubas now hear what some of my igbo brothers are saying, how do you think they will feel.

russellino:
@alj harem - Regarding inferiority complex kindly speak for yourself. Every ethnic group has greatness in it. I dont think any igbo person in his right mind is trying to say they are the greatest in the land. It is not wrong for a person to beat his chest and say good things about himself, it becomes a problem when one tries to pull another down. Please separate facts that may mislead. Igbos are great people, the Yoruba are great same for the Hausa/fulani. No need for drama

i agree with you, but if you know ever ethnic group has it's greatness from edo to ijaw,why have they not made a topic about there greatness,,why!!!!

if hausa/fulani have there greatness, why have they not made topic of how great they are

if yorubas ave there greatness why have they not made topics on how great they are

i believe there is not drama in what i posted above, i am half igbo myself but on nairaland, i have to drop my igbo identity because of some f the comment people have been posting, also because i do not support some of the views my people put on nairaland

my igbo people come here on nairaland post about how lagos is 40-45% igbo, now the questions is how do you expect the indigenous lagosians to fell when they read this

some of my igbo people say that the lands in ikoyi etc are mostly igbo and you will not be surprise if there is an igbo governor in lagos state soon, now, not to be tribalistic here but did the indigenes of lagos state ask for them to be ruled by igbo or did they say they can not call other yorubas from other states to rule them.

i remember how happy babapupa was when fashola installed an igbo man into his carbinet (no that there are no credible yorubas around) but because babapupa was detribalised thenhe was happy that igbos are taking part in SW politics even jason was also happy. but now i am sure from all the comment from the igbos on this trend, they will start to have a rethink on that issue.

do you see were i am getting at, you can not show how special igbo people are without appreciating the yoruba and other groups in nigeria

is it not in lagos and oyo state that there a eze indigbo there , did you see any yoruba man complain and say why,,,,NO,, that is what they call love for your neighbour,

i have also seen how only angry and insultive some of my igbo brothers are when chime and chris uba were thinking of going to ACN,, why i ask,,,, NO responds

go to port harcount even up to today, do the indigenes give or sell land and properties to igbo people in general,,,,NO

even after the war, didn't the igbo get back there properties in lagos and other part of the country back expect from port harcount.


well all in all, i would say that most igbos on this forum are born hard tribalist to the core apart from ChineyeN

so when the north wanted to secede, why didn't Nnamdi allow that, it was when they realised oil was good for an economy they want to secede, ""hisses"" or is it because the system does not work for them now

all i have to say to my igbo brother is that,,,,, "as you lay your bed, so you shall lay on it"

Ibime:
Speaking big grammar with little knowledge.

gbammm

Missy85:
harem, well said. One of the best contributions to this debate.

the Igbos need a huge dose of humility.

without hausas, yorubas & the others, igbos will not have made as much of the admirable progress they have made.

thank you,

@ bolded, they do not seem to realise that, they think it is by there hard work and effort

russellino:
@aigbofa - its amazing the amount of energy you've spent trying to deny the greatness of a group of people. What drives you?

greatness indeed

[size=15pt][b] first of all, I seriously hate topics like this.because it shows how some of my igbo brothers have infeority complex
secondly, 70% of the igbos on this forum if not whole wide, were schooled in the western region from ibadan, to abeokuta to lagos even to kwara so i really do not see any comparison here with the west they are clearly better than igbo in all areas of adult life

secondly, i really applaud the igbos for there bounce back after the war but they have to take into account that the nigerian government and the good people of nigeria helped them unlike other african countries were the losing team get stigmatised, i mean igbos are even in lagos cabinet, the state biafra bombed. so my igbo brothers please i appeal to you not to think you are better than other nigerians because they were accepted with open arms.

thirdly, on this nairaland, i have now learnt there mentality, the way they think of other nigerians and i most say, it is very terrible of them, i mean out of all the igbos that commented on this trend, non of them can give credit to the nigerian people instead they go about how special they are well thank you all for making to know who igbos are truly are and how they view other nigerians even though others love them, they do not love others. this is a big shame to nigeria as a whole.

even the good igbo people i have met before in my life, i am not sure again if i should trust them the way i use to because of the comments some of you have put down

all in all i just hope that other nigerians that are not registered on nairaland do not read some of you igbo comment because it will lead to more people to be weary of igbos. also, i hope this """ we vs them mentality""" will end soon[/b][/size]
thank you all your for time

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=582709.msg7505000#msg7505000 date=1294702082]Dude, I don't have any ego. If we are inferior to the whites right now, so be it. Let's learn everything they know, master it, and beat them at their own game. I have no morals, principles or ethics in this affair. All I want is as much education (and the subsequent benefits of said education, namely power) as soon as possible.

Everything else is irrelevant to me. I'm not a pan African, Africanist, Black Panther, or any of that type of sh1t.[/quote]hmmmm,,, wise post

dapobear make sure that when you finish in america come back to nigeria and input something to the economy i do not care if it is only yorubas you do that to, just do it

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=582778.msg7504993#msg7504993 date=1294701990]The idea of paying the North, East, West, or South off is ridiculous on several levels. First off, 90% of the crude oil exported in the past 10 years or so have come from offshore activities.  Accoording to international laws, that oil belongs to Nigeria and not to any coastal region. I don’t believe you’d find anyone living in the ocean or who can claim that his ancestors lived there. Clearly, you cannot give away what is not yours.


As far as the on shore oil fields are concerned, appropriate derivations are in place and the states where those fields are located are appropriately compensated. Your reps can decide to adjust the numbers as they see fit, that’s what democracy is all about.   Now in order to pay the North off with some of the proceeds of the on shore oil fields, you’d also have to repay the funds provided from ground nut exports, most of which was used to pay your salaries, build some of your infrastructure, and actually develop some of the very oil fields in question.  I dey go come.[/quote]good one

Dede1:
@alj harem1

In Igbo culture and tradition, ancestral lineage is often determined through paternity. However, children whose mother is Igbo but father are granted all alienable privileges granted to a child who’s both parents are Igbo except in sharing of landed properties. In general, daughters (women) are not allowed to partake in the sharing of the land but this may differ from one Igbo land to another.

By the same token, a child whose mother is Igbo and he or she decides to accept the ethnicity of the mother and resides in his/her mother’s community is accepted as he/she wished. Ndigbo say "Ebe nwa siri lo uwa ya bisiri".

thank you dede1, may Allah be with you and continue to give you wisdom, knowledge and understanding, so can i claim my igbo part now

philip0906:
My brova,its not about Mandela doing anythinhg 4 Africa or not.Like u've admitted,Mandela is a hero(exactly what I said).My point is,there r lots of african leaders,who have mediated in crisis b4.would u agree with that?Bluetooth,is only trying 2 do a word tackle with me cos I said this

ok no problem brother

Andre Uweh:
Brain-dead monkey, may you continue to remain barren for the rest of your adulterous life. Impotent retardo.

why na Andre,,, why go to that extent

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=582778.msg7504865#msg7504865 date=1294699979]Okwute Palestinians piafuka gi (blank blank). Bring it on.   So far I can say that most of you are delusional.[/quote]

tell them oooo

jason123:
. The yorubas dare not do the same between them and ijos. If that happens, you know what they would start typing on the internet

do not mind them

even now that jonathan is the president what has he done

mukina2:
Mr Cork is like a human kinda bot, you ban him 9 times today, he'll still come back 9 times, you ban his ip, he'll send epistles to your email.

seriously

mukina2, i really do no envy your job ooo

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=582778.msg7504809#msg7504809 date=1294699388]@Missy85: I agree almost entirely with your second comment. I'm not a racist, supremacist, bigot, etc. And any lingering hatred/misunderstandings I've had have been erased by extended stays in PH, Abuja. . . basically coming to understand that others are human beings, not demons or bogeyman.

Still though, even if you aren't a racist/bigot, that doesn't mean that you don't have a "team" you are playing for. I think for 99% of Nigerians, even the ones who are not bigots, that team is not team Nigeria, so much as team Yoruba/Edo/Urhobo/Ekiti State/Ilesha town/etc. Ultimately, most allegiances are local, I think; under 1% of Nigerians truly, truly play for team Nigeria (and personally, I question if any of them actually do. . . a lot of them play for team "capitalism" or team "my pocketbook" instead).[/quote]dapobear, i think i am one of the 1% patriot of nigeria

jason123:
HE SPLIT THE WEST INTO 2 (WEST AND MID-WEST)

so that is his achievement during his time in power, and they are here shout north "hisses"

Ola edo:
Exactly.You have no idea of what you are talking about.

i meant when he was in power as vice, what did he do for his people or even nigeria as a whole

Ola edo:
What did ekwueme do exactly? also none of the guys mentioned except obj were ever presidents and obj was installed by the northerners.

that is the question what did ekwueme do when he was in power.

what big thing did Obj do when he was in power

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=583162.msg7504642#msg7504642 date=1294697176]I hope so. We need all the unity we could foster.


That's not the point. We're talking strictly within a Nigerian context here. BTW, the jews have been compensated continuously financially, among with other benefits,  since the end of the holocaust. What have Ndigbo been compensated with since the end of the war?

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[size=14pt]I MUST come back as OnyeIgbo in my next life. [/size] For a people who were reduced to nothing but yet, yet, yet, yet, yet, have risen to the top in today's Nigeria and indeed the world, Chukwunna biko, still make me a part of these people when I come back in my next life.[/quote]ok i agree igbo people are special and unique in nature, they are the best in business , science and technology in Nigeria

even after the war, they still made something out of nothing,,, now that is been unique

igbo kwenu

philip0906:
U just can't sip in these 2 FACTS
1.There is no basis of comapring obj and Mandela or putting them on d same boat,except u r living in a war-torn zone.
2.Obj is not,was not,will not be d first,last and only african leader,2 mediate in crisis
Ofcourse,I'm no kid 2 scramble around trying 2 put up names of those african leaders who have mediated in crisis b4.There r loads of places where u can get that(hope u've not told your studenst in school dat obj is d only african leader 2 have mediated in crisis b4 ).Ofcourse,with u is internet search engine GOOGLE

of course we know no one can compare Obj to Mandela, it is not possible

but can you tell us the achievement of Mandela for Africa not south africa

Onlytruth:
I think that Missy85 is one smart babe, though I may not agree with some of her points, but she comes off truly sharp!  

I am for any country where there is agreement from day one about what the country would be.

I don't think that language and religion is really a big deal, LAGOS is a proof to that. If you have only Yoruba Muslims, you would never know that Muslims can be violent. So, I agree with abagworo too that a multi-ethnic country is not a bad idea, provided there is agreement from day one. I don't see any other tribe trying to hold on to power (even unfairly in most instances) in Nigeria except the Hausa/Fulani.
In a sense, I would blame them for Nigeria's failure to be a united strong country.

Those of us who agitate for Biafra do so when we think that other options are not possible.

i HATE it when people blame hausa/fulani it is very disgusting and irritating

why and why can you not blame ekeumeme, Obasanjo, kalu orji uzo, gbaga danel, alao akala, tiunbu, ibori, uwaumwu, eziriba, uba, etc

why hausa/fulani

think straight here brother,,, i think you have started drinking again

good write up

a man of wisdom

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=582893.msg7504663#msg7504663 date=1294697440]you are just turning up and down like a barber's chair.
Tell me what mandela has done so far for Africa generally ? Stop this talk the talk !


how many Africa leader have intervene in crisis at international level ? Mention names ![/quote]bluetooth, philip0906 is right because mandela is a lot more popular than OBJ

but what has Mandela done for africa as a whole compare to OBJ

Onlytruth:
@Akhenaten
Please heed the advice already given. Ignore alj harem1 .

why na onlytruth, what have i done again

Onlytruth:
Isn't it interesting to that while other forumites are actually trying to figure out how to disintegrate Nigeria peacefully and really trying their best to put forward viable solutions (even though some ideas may sound ridiculous ), a character like alj harem1 is more interested in sowing seeds of division and confusion in eastern Nigeria in futile effort to stop the inevitable.
The guy is not even interested in putting forward any alternative solution to how we move Nigeria forward AS IS, or how to move forward apart. He is NOT INTERESTED at all! hehehe!  

Isn't it the same thing the north has done all these years?  
They had the opportunity to fix things, but were more interested in carving up nonviable states and maintaining a system that is unsustainable in the long run. SMH

@topic,

I have always been for a united FUNCTIONAL Nigeria if possible. There has been a few times that our unity brings joy.
However, we have some insurmountable problems. Let me list a few:

SHARIA LAW and systematic Islamization of Nigeria
Quota system and indegene vs settler controversy in a single country.
Over-centralization of power leading to massive corruption of the whole system from federal to local government.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul using population figures.

In a sane society where people are actually interested in being one, these problems can easily be tabled and discussed.
But in Nigeria, where some sections feel that they have cornered the collective patrimony as a result of winning the civil war, even something like a national conference have been rejected and sabotaged.

So, even a most optimistic Nigerian would begin to believe that Nigeria is irredeemable.


BTW where is ndu_chucks?  

I would like to debate him on this.  

onlytruth brother how body na how u are good long time and how is mumsi and popsi na hope they are good

hope ojukwu is feeling better now

@you post

i am not sowing any seed of division to the igbos ,,i tell you i am not

all i was doing was to explain thing to the guy but he blood was just boiling like oil in borno sand why i do not know even when i brought out links and facts

secondly ther is no systematic islamatization of anything, were you not here when oruba muslims are saying they have converted to Christianity, so what has Islam got to do with this

and no one is talking about the civil war here

once again nice seeing u log in brother, greet udezue for me

Missy85:
aww, what have you guys done to Harem

do not worry i am ok with it so long as i do not fight or make anyone angry especially my igbo brother, i will do anything and even sacrifice my pride and origin for my igbo brothers, because i love them even if they do not love me

Akhenaten:
To be honest, I would prefer if the nation was split along ethnic lines. However, seeing how much controversy could arise from such a split, the nation would be best served if it was split regionally. My worry is that I want the minority ethnicities to have a voice within these nations. An Eastern republic would make the Igbo more of a majority, because Igbos make up 70% of the East. That would worry many of the minorities and their rights must be protected.

I am more concerned about the cultural aspect. Anything that helps foster Igbo language, culture and unity is something that I would support. I am worried that my language could extinct, but if we have a nation of our own, we can preserve our language for future generations.

igbo language is not going to extinction in anyway,, so by separating, it will ensure that your language does not go to extinition

that does not make sense, why can't the eastern governors make igbo language compulsory at the primary and secondary level of education, that way every igbo child in the East will have pass through igbo and know the basic and fundamental language and culture of igbo just like what is done in the north

jason123:
What is your position on the matter? split the country or stick together? and please do not mind Harem, he is just pulling your legs

jason, i am not pulling anyone's leg,,, i am simple saying it as it is

nobility 2:
that indicated that your life was destroyed by him if otherwise your statement was baseless.

how does it indicate that how is the statement baseless

Obiagu1:
Ofcourse, EzeUche is not Ibibio (0% Ibibio). He can only claim he knows about Ibibio culture because his mum is Ibibio.

ok obiagu1 from the way you are talking, i have to respect you because you have respected yourself

i will stop claiming igbo as from today only on Nairaland but i will be on every single igbo tread as i deem fit because they are nigerians not igborians.

i will stop the igbo claim now

sorry for the trouble brother

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=582778.msg7504516#msg7504516 date=1294695744]Descent is patrilineal in most societies. However, If you lived all your life in Igboland and viewed the world as most others do, I think you'd be accepted.

Unfortunately, you don't satisfy any of these requirements, so they don't consider you Igbo  [/quote]firstly, it is not up to them to consider me as an igbo man, it is up to the elders in my grand mothers home town, and they clearly advice me to be part and parcel of igbo even though i did not like it at first, i started learning the language and culture so not one from the internet can just come and tell me i am not igbo,,,impossible,, i do not even insult or say anything bad about igbo so what is the problem here

secondly, i do not have to live in igboland all my life to be igbo, what about igbos in lagos, is it not them that said they are igbos and are true igbo sons and daughter

some of them have not even been to the east and they are considered igbo, not to talk of me

thridly, the igbos on this internet can not tell me the requirement to be igbo, never! !!!

Obiagu1:
That's because your father's lineage is not Igbo whereas Ezeuche's is, therefore Ezeuche is 100% Igbo whereas you are 0% Igbo.

so ezeuche is clearly not ibibio then, and can not speak as if he is ibibio because each time we talk about biafra with ezeuche, he keep bring i am half igbo half ibibio and i can speak for ibibio,