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The Nigerian philologist Pa Modupe Oduyoye has demonstrated the relationships existing amongst Nigerian languages and the early Afro-Asiatic peoples of the Levant/Canaan/ so-called Middle East.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-871245.0.html

This is especially for PhysicsQED.

The Nigerian Philologist, Modupe Oduyoye, has done a lot of research into the Afro-Asiatic roots of West African (including Nigerian) languages and his findings indicate that some West African peoples south of the Sahara once lived in the Levant. If anyone with the means is seriously interested he or she can purchase/check out these [url=http://www.google.com.ng/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Modupe+Oduyoye%22&source=gbs_metadata_r&cad=3#q=inauthor:%22Modupe+Oduyoye%22&hl=en&tbm=bks&ei=Jik7T_7QLMf88QOh4oXpCg&start=0&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=92ec32750ce6621f&biw=1280&bih=707]books authored by Oduyoye[/url]:

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[li]Modupe Oduyoye: The Sons of the Gods and the Daughters of Men: An Afro-Asiatic Interpretation of Genesis 1-11, NY, Orbis Books[/li]
[li]Le-mah sabach-tha-niy?: lament and entreaty in the Psalms[/li]
[li][url=http://books.google.com.ng/books?id=wGWpQwAACAAJ&dq=inauthor:%22Modupe+Oduyoye%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Jik7T_7QLMf88QOh4oXpCg&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAjgK]Words & meanings in Yoruba religion: linguistic connecions in Yoruba, Ancient Egyptian & Semitic[/url][/li]
[li][url=http://books.google.com.ng/books?id=fzRfAAAACAAJ&dq=inauthor:%22Modupe+Oduyoye%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Jik7T_7QLMf88QOh4oXpCg&ved=0CDUQ6AEwATgK]The Alphabetical Psalms: Systematic Instruction for a Life of Faith and Trust[/url][/li]
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Below are excerpts from someone's review of Pa Oduyoye's research

, Africans, similarly, consider dazzling metals, especially bronze, gold and copper as "spirits." Thus, Modupe Oduyoye, in his Afro-Asiatic Interpretation of Genesis 1-11, notes that in the language of the West African Acholi, the word "jok" is cognate with the word "jigi" of the West African Yoruba (or "digi" by phonetic dialect substitution of "j" with "d" and cognate with an Afro-Asiatic root for  glass, reflective glare, brightness, radiance. In the West African Ijaw language: "digi" meaning "look," and compares with Ancient Egyptian "dgi" meaning also "look."(Remember that polished metal surfaces, especially bronze, were used as reflective mirror surfaces by the Ancients–see 1 Corinthians 13:12).

, We may glean evidence in support of the view that the dazzling serpent entwined Asklepian pole was the symbol of the Kenitic Yahweh, and a totemic symbol of the Kenitic clan of Yahweh worshipers, from the worldwide dissemination of the root Y-W- a form of the Afro-Asiatic root verb h-w-h ('to be".

We shall begin our tour in West Africa. Oduyoye,  notes the incidence of the root Y-W- in the religious cults of the following West African peoples: Among the Fon (the voodoo or vodu cult of Benin Republic or Dahomey) we have the word "Yehwe," meaning: "spirit," "divine spirit." Among the Ewe of Togo, we have "Yeve," meaning also "divine spirit." Among the Gun (also of West Africa) we have "Yihwe" or "Yehwe" meaning "a "god" or "spirit or divine being. Among the Yoruba of the "slave coast" we have the antique virgin goddess Yewa ("our mother," "our lady" cognate with the root h-w-h, of the verb "to be".

In Greco-Latin culture we have Hebe (or Juventa) goddess of youth (youth, in connection with fire as symbol of immortality, life, rejuvenation). The name "Hebe" is of the same root derivation as the Genesis name "Eve" meaning "life," "being," from the verb, "to be." Note that "Hebe," as name of the Greek goddess, is a form of the Roman "J-uve-nta." The "-venta" suffix is of the same root derivation as the Latin root of the English word "wind,"(Latin: "ventus". Note the connection of "wind" or "air" in ancient or traditional thought with "spirit," or divine "breath." (The Hebrew word "ruach," for instance, may mean "air," "breath," as well as "spirit"; similary Greek "pneuma" means "spirit" as well as "breath"–the Ancients made no hard or fast distinction between physical "air" and "spirit" for both shared the same essential property of mysterious invisibility–compare John 3:8: The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."

Note also that the word "wind" is of the same root derivation as the root of the word "wand"(magic "wand" and "wend" (to twist or turn or be supple as a serpent on an Asklepian pole, or as in the spiral or helical caduceus as mystical symbol of life).

In the translation of the root of "-venta" to the English language, "v-n-t" is phonetically transformed into "w-n-d" (just as Semitic phonetic sound YHWH  becomes  JHVH in English translations of the Hebrew scriptures).

In Ancient Roman mythology the root of the tetragrammaton YHWH appears as Jove or Jupiter. Jove was the "High God" of the Roman pantheon, the sky god of lightning,thunder and atmospheric disturbances, as the Mosaic YHWH or Jove (JHVH).

The root of YHWH  (h-w-h, "to be" also appears in the Celtic "Gwen-dolyn" (the name comes in various forms including "Gwenda"–compare Roman Juventa) by phonetic substitution of "Y" with "G." The prefix  "Gwen-" retains the original association in meaning with radiance or brightness of divine beings, for in Celtic "Gwen" means "fair," "bright," "pure" or "white," that is, holy.

was a bit surprised, the only negro student in my set though some weeks later I met another - a senior; can't remember seeing any other negro in that city of the sunshine state.

rx steve:
^^probably

He had quite a notorious reputation; I also repeated his course.

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OP, your account of that discussion is the first time I've come across such an argument from a Yoruba person. My opinion is that the Yoruba and Benin peoples may have migrated together to this part of Africa and then at some point went their separate ways. I see the Yoruba and Edo as brothers hence the closecultural relationships including the request by the Edo for a Yoruba King/Judge. The arguments about the origin of Oduduwa and Oranmiyan and the Edo monarchy are to me based on unnecessary ascendancy sentiments. As for those claiming that Oduduwa is Edo, they should consider the use of the word "Odu" by the Yoruba even as prefixes in many Yoruba names today. Are they saying that the bearers of those names are Edo?

What I've observed in our society today is that many seem to judge their neighbours rather than their actions. Whereas God hates sin but does not take pleasure in the death of a sinner.

Should any Negro ever support Is-it-real, synagogue of satan? Rev 2:9 and 3:9

rhamzus:
was a day to rem. as its one i wish nvr took place.

I got my admission list late, so by d time i got to school, registration of courses had started. I was with my course when i rushed into a lecturers office without knocking. Right in front of me was mojo in reality, lecturer and a 3rd yr female student. Instead of immediately excusing myself, i was just shocked still staring @ what i saw, till d lecturer shouted at me. Bad part was i carried over d guys course (phy), i had to beg in my yr 2 to pass d course.

UNILAG?

Oluwa - Eloah? The Yoruba have known Ela as the Rock of Ages prior to the Europeans coming to West Africa with their invented messiah and the invented name Jesus. If you are interested you can search online for Ela's praise-names and oriki.

BERNIMOORE:
@amor4ce,

ITS OBVIOUS THAT YOU HAVE NO ANSWER,AFTER ASKING FOR YOUR REASON AND EXPECTING AN ASWER TO COUNTER MY ACCUSATION,JUST HEAR YOUSELF,
IS THIS AN ANSWER ?

PLS GO BACK TO PAGE ONE AND READ TO THE LAST PAGE,MANY LIKE YOU WHO DID NOT HAVE ANY SOLID PROOF HAVE BACKED OUT SINCE.

Why did you point accusations at me in the first place? Where in my posts on this thread did I claim to "HAVE ANY SOLID PROOF" or not of tithes, offerings and first fruits? I asked questions without making any direct assertion, neither did I directly target you with my first comment. But you chose to respond negatively. Remember that you had a choice of whether or not to respond and the whether or not to respond thus. Is it good to return good with evil? When the Apostles preached as recorded in the Bible did they tell those to whom they were preaching to "keep quiet"? I don’t know whether or not Nairaland has engaged your services as a censor,  Did God tell His people when they were misbehaving to reason with Him or did He bully them into submission? I don’t want to believe that the Messiah wants His people to attack persons who do not share their opinions. Rather, I want to believe that equips His people with the ability to reason with themselves and with others (Isaiah 1:18; John 4:1-30).

I want to believe that the ability to quote from the Scriptures does not immediately equate to comprehension (Mark 1:22). Many employers are aware of this so they get prospective employees to undergo verbal reasoning tests.

As for my response to your demand that I support with a Bible verse what you described as my claim, and your reaction to the manner (in the form of questions) of my response, I had full rights to respond the way I did. You are not my master, you do not own me, you have no power over my life, you have no authority over what I choose to do with what God has blessed me with. Remember that when the Redeemer was asked by the chief priests and the elders of the Temple for the Source of the authority by which He taught and did signs and wonders, He responded with a question first (Matthew 21:23-27). Did He commit a crime? Would you have asked the Redeemer “JUST HEAR YOUSELF”?

I’ll mention this about tithes, offerings and first fruits – I very much doubt that the Messiah who hates lawlessness (do you need a Bible quote for this also?) would have selected as His disciples lawless people who disobeyed commandments and statutes that were handed to Moses by God. The Messiah did not teach His disciples and His people to disobey the Law (Matthew 5:17-20, 23:1-3), rather He came to fulfill it.

If you like, respond. If you respond, you have a choice whether to portray yourself as ITK and condescending or not. If you like you can see this thread as an opportunity for those of us making use of this thread to encourage and build up one another. If you like you can see it as a slugfest of Ctrl C + Ctrl V quotations and/or academic display to see who will back out first. Won’t we account for our words?

Note that I am not wrong as you erroneously alleged. Rather, I am a man, one of His chosen ones.

BERNIMOORE:
@ amor4ce

YOU SAID APOSTLES TITHED? WHERE DID YOU EVER SEE THAT?

SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM WITH ONE BIBLE VERSE TO SHOW APOSTLES ''giving first fruits and tithes '' AND IF NOT JUST KEEP QUIET AS ACCEPT YOU ARE WRONG OR DONT KNOW.SIMPLE

Can this remark of yours be associated with the will of the Father? Did the Messiah ever speak to His people thus? The apostles were born as children of Israel and they grew up with the Levites and the Temple in their midst. Can you therefore say with all confidence that they, except perhaps Matthew, never in their lives paid tithes? You know that such would amount to disregarding God's commandments. Where do you think the New Yam Festivals and the likes originated?

Did the apostles ever stop giving first fruits and tithes while they were still walking on the face of the earth, while the Temple was still standing, and while the priests and Levites were still around?

The Messiah appeared to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, being identified today as El. However, the Yoruba have known Him as Ela (the Saviour) millenia before the oyinbo invasion.

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In the past I had met some people who called themselves Christians and had this ITK attitude of "I know the Scriptures better than you"/I know what I'm doing and you do not". If you like, continue with your attitude. Know that I have so far not interacted with you in any condescending or superiority manner; how about you. Remember that you have two eyes and they are not the only ones on earth. Neither are you the only one with faculties.

Who enslaved Abraham's descendants for 400 years? Hint - Genesis 15:16. Do you want to argue that Ishmaelites or Edomites masterminded the trans-Atlantic slave trade? Or do you imply that the author of Genesis 15:16 misquoted the Messiah?

buzugee:
thats the problem. YOUR OPINION. you cant use your opinion to gauge biblical teachings. says in the bible. edomites
1 have red skin
2 love to hunt
3 are very hairy
4 very good with weaponry
5 will conquer the world because they are sophisticated at using and making weaponry
6 have immense pride
7 hate black people (israelites)


who else is that in this world ?

Likewise go check your Bible, specifically at Genesis 15 wherein the Messiah told Abraham that the Amorites would carry away his seed to serve as slaves for 400 years - this was fulfilled with the Amorites (oyinbo including the fake jews) engaging in the trans-Atlantic slave trade. In Genesis 15:16 the Saviour referred to the iniquity of the Amorites and not the Edomites.

buzugee:
nah edomites is a nationality of people. does not mean sinners. edomites are descendants of esau.

In my opinion the oyinbo are not Edomites, going by what was recorded in times past by historians.

You got it wrong concerning the Amorites. Perhaps you did not check out the link that I provided about them, including the comments therein. Read Genesis 15.

What about the New Yam Festivals?

Partly; do you know of the verses therein that refer to the Son of God redeeming His people and their migration after they were cast out of the promised land? I know of 2 Esdras 13 but would like to know more.

As for the Edomites as described in 2 Esdras 6, perhaps that is referring to sinners? considering what the Saviour told Abraham about the Amorites as recorded in Genesis 15:16

http://yemitom./2011/12/31/in-the-4th-generation/

Edo - Edom?

A Biblical Anthropologist has shown that the lines of Shem and Ham intermarried
(edit the link by replacing the (dot) with '.')
http://jandyongenesis.(dot)com/2012/01/abraham-descendant-of-both-shem-and-ham.html

Do our people want to listen? It appears like many of our people who today call themselves Christians set out with all their heart might and soul to live like Amorites (oyinbo)

Have you been to Ilaje, Bariga?

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=865653.msg10151526#msg10151526 date=1328718983]On arrival in the hinterland of Yorubaland, whites documented their finding that Yorubas had the highest urbanized population in all of their encounters in Africa as a whole, paying attention particularly to Ibada, Ilorin and Ife.  They also documented the attraction of these cities to citizens of neighboring empires and the unmistakable beauty and stylish settings of these towns that they concluded their own arrival must have been preceeded by an earlier wave of European explorers and this development and beauty was the handwork of those brethrens.  In his interview with Sultan Bello to get a general view and knowledge about the Oyos, the Songhays, the Kanems, the Ashantis and the Nupes. . . . Livingstone published very detailed narratives of the beauty and glamour of Yoruba cities dictated by the Sultan.

So do not give too much credit to whites. . . we had the value and the aesthetic outlook even before their settlement in our midst.  Our problem is not misgovernment. . . our curse is the wholesale abandonment of our own indigenous philosophy in preference for foreign ideologies.

Anyway. . . back to topic now.    Look at the picture below, the Araromi house.  The person that took this photograph stood on the sidewalk right in front of Sir Louis Ojukwu's house (Ikemba's father) to get that angle of the Araromi house.  Ojukwu's house on Oshodi street was also one of the Brazilian architecture of the city and beautiful. I wish they had it.  If anyone has it please post.[/quote]Yes! We should not expect to get our acts together as long as we keep struggling with all our heart, mind and soul to live like oyinbo people and adopt their distorting/deluded/false way of life.

Isn't that Berlin Conference a major reason for the division within and amongst various African groups?

Is it translated thus in Igbo-language Bibles? If so I would say it is a welcome development. Any chance the act of anointing has never been strange to Igbo culture?

In fact, I have begun to find the idea of a separate African state to be carved out for African-Americans as very disgusting, akin to a proposal for Season II of the infamous Berlin Conference [s]but this time of, by and for house negroes[/s].

The Yoruba-speaking people of Cuba who are called Lucumi just might be the descendants of their fellow Yoruba speakers in Delta state of Nigeria who call themselves and their Yoruba dialect Ulukwumi. Note that some Igbo people on this forum have been trying to claim the Ulukwumi as Igbo.

As for the pics you posted, don't be deceived by the allure of the achievements of the Amorites as a fire on earth is about to be kindled.