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I like the way the Prof has appeared to avoid all the yama-yama politics, avoid being seen frequently in the media, and focusing on his job.

Were the soldiers Boko Haram supporters? Was the Ministry Official wearing that white collar?

Berlin Conference | causing different nations to mix | dividing existing nations | stymied development

grandlexuz:
The story I read from another source says other wise. It is not uncommon for the government to cover up the mischief and mistakes of its security officers. I have seen it happen a lot of times. We all know our African Police Officers always sell after the market. It is easy for Boko Haram strikers to hit several targets undetected. However it is easier for the security officers to pin the wrong persons and have them pay the price of their incompetence. It’s totally insensitive to read jubilant posts on Pastor Kiforo death. That is when they know he is innocent. That is the same mentality Boko Haram possesses.  They want the entire country to become a Muslim state and justify that by spilling innocent blood. It’s easy to mock at the demise of  Pastor Kiforo because he is not family. From the story I read on Vanguard, he was shot while out of the car. Common sense tells me if  he actually sped pass security, they would have fired at his car, probably hitting the tires and screen.  However his car was met whole by journalists before the government carried it to an undisclosed location. They could be several scenarios to this. It’s probable the security officers were distracted, probably drinking "Ogogoro", and when they noticed a car had entered had to do their worse. I know the way some of these over zealous illiterate officers behave. I have experienced them first hand.  I express my sincere condolences to Pastor Kiforos family.



[b]This report  says other wise. Read at what I got from http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/02/boko-haram-scare-at-govt-house-kaduna/ 

Around 12 noon last Monday, rumours spread fast in Kaduna that a suicide bomber had forced his way into Kaduna State Government House (Sir Ibrahim Kashim House), Kawo, and that there had been an exchange of fire between him and security personnel guarding the place before he was captured.

There was palpable anxiety in Kaduna that afternoon, after a daring suicide bomb attempt at a Military formation in the town was foiled just a week before.

In less than 15 minutes, Sunday Vanguard discovered a bevy of harsh Soldiers and Mobil Policemen who had cordon off the road leading to the gate of the official abode and office of Kaduna State Governor,  500 metres away that Monday.

About 50 metres away where the soldiers had blocked, was the gate of 44 Army Referral Hospital. Even those who claimed they wanted to visit the hospital as patients were denied passage by the unusually agitated security men. Many VIPs who had appointments at Sir Ibrahim Kashim House were not allowed any passage.


*Late Pastor Isuwa Kiforo

Soon, media men in a 20-seater bus of the Nigerian Union of Journalist (NUJ) Kaduna Council, arrived around 12:30pm. At that point, a soldier was seen on the other side of the road using the bayonet of his gun ripping off the tyres of a red Honda car – the driver had carrying out instructions to turn and beat a retreat. The soldiers in particular were so worked-up to give credit to the claims that there was a suicide bomber in Sir Ibrahim Kashim House.

Even reporters were not welcomed.

“We were invited to come and see the car that the suicide bomber used”, Isaiah Benjamin of Leadership Newspaper informed them.

“Government House is part of our daily routine, and we need to see what has happened”, he told the soldiers.

“Look my friends, respect yourselves and go away-o!”, an Army Lance Corporal whose name could not be made out warned.

“Nobody told us that any Journalist is coming. Tell the Governor to inform us to allow you in. Our order is to keep everyone away”, he said.

There was an argument; then a Mobile Policeman intervened.

In the end, it was agreed that the NUJ bus be parked by the side of the road, pending confirmation that Journalists could go and see the car that the suicide bomber used and the explosives in the car.

Soon a kind of banter ensued between a soldier and some Journalists.

“This country is hard to understand”, he said.

“This Boko Haram, na big, big men dey inside”, he said.

“This man wey do dis thing, na Director for ministry”, he said.

He went on to say that a man came to the gate of government House; that he refused to be searched, rammed his car against the gate, forced it open and started speeding into the Government House. He said that a team of Soldiers, State Security Service and Mobile Police opened fire on the car, demobilising it just as the man made it to the exit gate used by the governor.

“The man came out and we were shooting. But the bullet no enter him body. He get medicine, that day remove dey throw at us. When dey medicine finish. We got him on his legs. His car get bomb inside”, he told the reporters listening with mouths agape.

“The man dey for here”, pointing at the 44 Army Referral Hospital.

“The car dey inside. I just pray they allow you inside. You will see wonders”, he said.

All around, the story was repeated by every Policeman or soldier approached for a brief. They were unusually cooperative with this story but, of course, pleading that no one quoted them.

After about twenty minutes, the Kaduna State Police Commissioner, Mallam Mohammed Bala Nasarawa, arrived the road block with his convoy, sirens wailing. Some reporters made for his car, hoping he would make a case for them to be allowed in. But he did not as much as even wind down the tinted window of his car to acknowledged anyone’s presence. The obstacles were promptly cleared for him and he sped to the gate, said to have been damaged by the suicide bomber.

The Press left after waiting in vain for over an hour.

Six hours after stories had been filed and sent, the Police Commissioner assembled a few journalists in his office and read a statement, that later became very inconsistent with the “scoop” the Press was fed with at the road block.

Said Nasarawa: “At about 13:28 hrs, a combined team of security personnel attached to Government House main gate, Kaduna, intercepted a Toyota Corolla Saloon car, maroon in colour with Kaduna State Government official Reg. No Kaduna,KD-06-A 04.

“The driver drove dangerously in a suspicious manner towards the Government House gate. The security personnel stopped the lone occupant, but instead of stopping, he forced himself through the exit gate and found his way into the government house.

“The security agencies thereafter, opened fire and shot the suspect on the leg and lower abdominal part of his body. The suspect was later identified as Pastor Isuwa Kiforo ‘M’ of No.7 Abba Rimi, Narayi Kaduna, who is the Director Finance and Administration, Ministry of Information, Kaduna State.

“He was rushed to 44 Army Reference Hospital Kaduna for treatment, after he was given first aid by a team of medical personnel attached to the Government House. The vehicle was thoroughly searched in my presence by our Anti-Bomb disposal experts and nothing incriminating was recovered. In essence neither weapon nor explosives were found in it” he had said.

Many who claimed to know the man rejected the claims of the Police boss. They vouched for the integrity of “the man-of-God” saying, something went awry which Nasarawa was hiding.

Kiforo’s wife of 25 years, Mrs Charity Kiforo and mother of his five children, strongly disputed the statement of Nasarawa.

Speaking exclusively to Sunday Vanguard, at the heavily guarded 44 Army Referral Hospital, Kaduna where Kiforo was being treated yesterday, she said that her husband had undergone an operation, in which several bullets were removed from his legs and  abdomen, largely on her family expenses, though he was brought there by government.

She said: “I have never known my husband to have problems with the law. He has never even been to a police station because of his conduct. He is a Minister of the Living Faith Church, Kakuri, and is a very senior government staff. He goes to the Government House several times, and is well known at the gate and most of the staff at the Government House knows him. I am still wondering why he had to be so shot like a man engaged in exchange of gun fire with the Army and Police.

“I was told that even after they brought him down, they drove an armour tank and pointed its big gun on him when  he lay unconscious, bleeding.

“There must have been a huge error on the part of the security personnel there.  As you can see, since morning several pastors both from our church and from other churches have been trooping here, expressing shock at what happened. My husband would never hurt anyone, and I have never known him to break the law, even when he was a younger man. We are going to look for ways to find out what led them to almost kill him.

If you look at his car, from what I am told, there was no where it showed that he banged on any thing. There is no dent on the car. They did not shoot him in the car; because there is no bullet hole in the car. He was allowed to enter through the main gate, as they usually do after he identified himself, being someone they know very well.

Why he was made to stop and made to come out of the car and was [size=16pt][color=#990000]so brutally shot with only his phone in his hand[/size], is something I want to consider as grave error on the part of the security people there. They have caused us so much pain and anguish.

“We are saddled with the medical bills now, but believing God that he would provide more for us, and that my husband will come out and tell the world what really happened”, she said.

The car was removed and taken to an undisclosed location. It was not at any of the Police Stations in Kaduna after frantic searches by Sunday Vanguard.
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If the widow's account is true could it be that the concerned soldiers mistook that phone for a gun?

Isn't one of the reasons for these slums in Lagos and the stretching of public facilities is the massive population inlux from other parts of the country and the stubbornness of the administrations of Tinubu and Fashola in engaging in low income housing projects.

I served in Ekiti from 2006-07 and could not but notice the deforestation which I thought was quite alarming. A wood exporter even admitted to me that some types of trees were no longer seen in some parts of the state. I hope the Governor does something serious about this. Also, trailer loads of fruits were being traded and carried out of the Ise-Ekiti (almost) everyday mostly by northerners. Is there any fruit-processing plant in Ekiti? One more thing, toilets,

I'm grateful.

Let me use this opportunity to share an experience. A while back I attended the Association of Laboratory Automation's LabAutomation2010 conference in Palm Springs California, during which I may have seen about 5 negro persons. The number of total attendees must have been almost 1,000 or more, and I wondered if there was racial discrimination in the sciences. I mentioned this to an oyinbo person and he said some African Americans tend to form their own organizations due to distrust. Later a Nigerian immigrant reminded me that slaves and their descendants were discriminated for centuries wrt formal education and access to relevant resources but in the last century our people have been coming up though not yet in visibly huge numbers, hence what I saw at that conference. I have wondered if the numbers are reflective of the whole of the US / European bio-pharma industry.

The implication is that we don't have as many relevant research studies and publications to tell our own stories (eg molecular anthropology, other DNA stuff) and challenge the stories that the oyinbo have been feeding us for so long. If we try to do our own basic anthropological studies the reference materials that we may most likely find and use are probably oyinbo-inclined with the attendant risk of self-denial on our part. Our people that travel abroad as education immigrants especially the biotech/molecular biology students are probably culpable as well as seen in their research which again is most likely not relevant to our people - perpetuating oyinbo-inclined research. Many of these immigrants do not want to come back and talk of Nigeria for instance as (almost) hopeless, maybe after seeing the oyinbo wonders and succumbing to lust of the eyes.

Nevertheless, there is time for everything including redemption.

I have a suggestion based on an attempt to use the Berean model of Bible Study. How about starting a Bible Series of threads on each Book of the Bible where attempts would be made at arriving at thorough understandings of each chapter. The first could be on Genesis for like 2 weeks (or whatever acceptable threshold) followed by Exodus and so on in that order with each thread beginning with a compilation of suggested topics for discussion and clarification, and no reference to the next Book such that the Book being discussed would have as its foundation the discussions of previous ones. By the time the New Testament is reached there should have been enough grasp useful in seeing clearly issues in the New Testament like Tithes and the Law. God is merciful and I am sure HE wants to guide us. What do you think?

My intents for this thread was to facilitate a healthy discussion on the topic, not to poke jabs at you or any other person nor to display brutal argumentative prowess to see who would cower. However, it seems you misunderstood some of my comments which I won't point out (no need for bad blood) and perhaps I similarly misunderstood some of yours. I found surprising the comment (about "married to a white" from another earlier post and then alluded to "mulatto" to let you know the temptation I was getting and, but did not intend to insult you - my apologies. Yes I do believe all the tirades could have been avoided but there are certain things I don't take kindly to. I'll sum up my position on the topic thus:

From what I have observed over time, many anthropologists (cultural, linguistic and molecular) admit that the Nile valley was the centre of the greatest genetic diversity in humans from which these people spread out all over the world. However, I hardly come across any (except one) of these anthropologists - who are mostly Europeans - that are willing to acknowledge the migration of some peoples back into Africa despite the mounting evidence. This to me is because they find it difficult to reconcile the fact that negroes had accomplished a lot in the past, with our perception today as a byword and a proverb, and they probably work hard at building their confirmation bias by various means including casting aspersions on our own stories. Hence, results of studies including DNA ancestry maps for instance are quite flawed - my opinion.

Let us not give room for negative perceptions like disdain and hate. Reconciliation?

I haven't said that the Edo are definitely the descendants of Esau but similar to Elder Negro_Ntns I wanted to ask if you were mulatto, and I decided to refrain. I didn't accuse you of inventing history, rather I referred to your comments and said they and not you reminded me of Naiwu Osahon. Your opinion of some of my comments as nonsense does not bother me as you are not the Omnipotent to whom I submit. I focused on the comments and not the person. If Afro-Asiatic languages extend into African and are a fact, why do you question the suggestions of some that this language sub-group extends into Africa?

Bandit C., kindly read post #67.

Beaf, congrats for your awareness. By the way I ain't no sis as I have a fully functional phallus. As for the judges they try to look like the Ancient of Days, whereas our people should be proud of their greying hair like Wole Soyinka whose hair is almost like that of the Ancient of Days - almost white and like wool.

https://naijaenterprise.com/sites/default/files/Wole.jpg?1297745949

Even many pastors seem to be the chief culprits of this oyinbo wanna-be attitude.

We have always known ourselves not just by names but by our traditions, customs, values, and identifying with Ile-Ife.

PhysicsQED, was that the best you could come up with, referring to your perception of delusion and inferiority complex? With all the experiences you have accumulated from birth couldn't you have done better? Is the act of assidiously trying to put down the person of your fellow as against his argument indicative of maturity and wisdom? I started this thread without any intent to put you down as can be seen in the first post. But look at what you have done in return. I aslo did not refer to the Jebusites in this thread. By the way, since you pointed at delusion concerning the Biblical Jebusites, know that in that same Bible is mentioned a man called Caleb who today is cited for demonstrations of faith - his ancestors were originally Kenezzite but he had an inheritance in Israel. I started the topic in response to the views you put forward on this thread and wondered if you would immediately respond - if at all - since you mentioned there that you "had other things to do this week and in the following weeks" - talking from both sides of the mouth or have you long harboured disdain against me?

The Washitaw of North America say they are Africans, that their ancestors used to trade via ships between North America and Africa. Do you conclude that they are suffering from inferiority complex and delusions? Ivan Sertima, the author of "They Came Before Columbus" also demonstrated this migration. Would you say he was deluded as well? Have they been linked by the oyinbo to African groups?

The Ainu of Japan say their ancestors migrated from the Levant, and similarities between their language and Nigerian languages, Japanese and Hebrew orthography, and Ainu and Egyptian and Yoruba headdresses have been pointed out. Would you say they suffer from delusions and inferiority complexes too? Is the Ainu language classified by the oyinbo as Afro-Asian?

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Do you see the Lemba as deluded? What of the Kalenjins of Kenya, Ethiopia and Tanzania?


Hey, the Boers migrated from Europe, the oyinbo Americans migrated from Europe, the oyinbo Australians migrated from Europe (Britain). Do you find these to be easily acceptable unlike the migration accounts of your fellow negroes?


By laffing, is it that you see no wrong in desecrating the collective memories of the ancestors of peoples, ancestors who went through thick and thin, shedding sweat, blood and tears to guarantee the survival of their communities and their identities?

Why do many who cannot show that they are Aaron's descendants but call themselves priests collect tithes, offerings and first fruits? If Aaron's true descendants are still around is there a possibility that we've been forsaking them and that the MOG who collect the offerings are living as impostors? If such MOGs guilty of this and we have forsaken the Levites (who may have forgotten their roots) the implication would be that tithes, offerings and first fruits still apply but they should be taken to the true priests instead, and if we can't identify these priests today that should not preclude us from resisting these MOGs.

From what I have read in the Bible, if we love God we would keep His commandments (1 John 5:3). My take is that Daniel while in Babylon must have observed the the aspects of the commandments that could be kept. David wrote about grace and the commandments in Psalm 103, verses 17-18 in particular.

Beaf, can you say confidently that you are not guilty of what you just posted? Many of our people feel proud when wearing foreign and foreign-influenced apparel like suits but feel ashamed of their indigenous clothes. Many parents even programme their kids for this inferiority complex by dressing them in these foreign apparel. i was at Unilag Women Society Nur/Pry school on Feb 14 and noticed that the kids were dressed in foreign clothes for their costume party day. When daughters are taught that beauty means fair skin, blue eyes, slim physique, high heels, blond hair, dressing like fairies and looking like barbie, and boys are taught that wearing suits and jeans is the way to go, isn't society guilty? What can we do to halt this ugly trend?

I don't know, but I know I'm under grace. Shouldn't the ones that can be observed be observed? Note that I have not claimed to know the true position concerning this topic; rather I want to learn more.

It was taken from this thread.

Erroneous interpretation from the OP?

amor4ce:
I saw this at http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/spirituality-connect-your-center/464-ngr.html as published by Baba Ahmed and knew it would be relevant to us all.

Mods, is this topic more appropriate for the Politics (perhaps Tribalism) section?


[center]FROM NGR to ******[/center]
N-G-R, NIGER, NEGRO "******": THE N WORD FROM DIVINE TO RACIST

N-G-R, NETYR, NIGER, NEGRO, ******, *****; THE ORIGINS OF A SACRED WORD TO ITS DEFILEMENT

N-G-R, NETYR, NIGER, NEGRO, "******," *****, THE ORIGIN OF A SACRED WORD

"Thou shall not take the name of the Lord, thy God in vain," is one of the ten commandments, yet, the racist term "******" a derivative of the original name for God, "N-G-R"(pronounced "Net-ger" is continually used and taken to insult. The term "******" has its origins in the sacred and divine title for "God," and came from the Egyptian WORD FOR GOD. That word is "Net-yer" or "Net-ger" from which the English terms "nature" and "nurture" came from. The idea of God being nature and nature being God, comes from the African and Egyptian idea of what God is which shows down to the similarities in the terms used to describe aspects of the Godhead.

THE SACRED "N" IN THE AFRICAN AND AFRO-ASIATIC LANGUAGES

The letter "N" is one of the most important prefixes in the African, Afro-Asiatic, Indo-Negroid, Negro-Australoid, Melanesian, Australian Aborigine, Austric, Kong-San (Bushmanoid), Sudroid languages. In fact, the sacred "N" as in "Ni-han" (Rising Sun) OR "NG" as in "ChaNG," (ChaNGo in Manding-Congo), "Ndong" in Vietnamese (Ndongo (Angolan Kingdom) in African Manding-Congo languages) is also found in both Chinese and Japanese. In fact ancient Chinese, Vietnamese, South Indian, SriLankan, Melanesian, Australian Aboriginal and modern Japanese show strong similarities to Bantu (proto-historic Sahara, Niger-Congo), languages (see "African Presence Early Asia," by Ivan Van Sertima and Runoko Rashidi) See also the works of Clyde A. Winters also go to http://community.webtv.net/nubianem (HISTORY TIMELINE) and http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/runoko.html

The letter "N" is also the word that denotes any title pertaining to human beings. In fact in Bantu or Niger-Congo and Cushic languages, the letter "N" is found as the first letter in many names. For example the name "Ndaba," = "counsil" while the name "Ndabaningi" is the first name of Africans in region thereof.

HOW THE WORD FOR GOD, "N-G-R" (Net-ger) became Niger, Negro and "******"

The ancient Egyptians called their Pharaohs "N-G-R" (Net-ger) because the Egyptian Pharaoh was seen as a representation of the sun and the Sun God. The original Pharaohs who were pure Black Africans SAW BLACK SKIN AS SACRED AND A DIRECT BLESSING FROM THE SUN GOD, ATEN. In fact Blackness and black skin became associated with God and the sun. BLACK PEOPLE WERE POWERFUL, CULTURALLY ADVANCED, MILITARILY SUPERIOR, BLACK/DARKBROWN IN COMPLEXION, STRONG STATURE, TALL AND DESCRIBED AS A "HANDSOME" RACE , (SEE HERODOTUS, "THE HISTORIES, DESCRIPTIONS OF "ETHIOPIANS" OF AFRICA AND SOUTH INDIA).

The recognition of the Pharaoh as a living God and the black skin as a blessing spread worldwide to other cultures. In fact the term "Net-ger" became the Ethiopian "Negus" or "Negashi."

In the Sudroid (Indo-Negroids of India) languages of India, which are part of the Cushite branch of the African languages, the term "Naga" denotes original or first.
In fact, in ancient India, the people with the blackest skins were respected and held to igh esteem, unlike today where the racist, colonialist and alien concept of "varna" or castecolor racism places Sudroids, Indo-Negroids, Black Tribals, Dalits, Negro-Australoids and other BLACKS AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF iNDIAN SOCIETY.
See www.dalitstan.org/books/sudroid

The term "Ngola" (Angola) means "King" in the Angolan languages. This term was mistaken by the Portugese to mean the DESCRIBE "Ndongo," the kingdom.

The first people to corrupt the term "N-G-R" were the Roman invaders of Egypt who may have heard the term used to describe the
leader of Egypt or Nubia. The term "Niger" was later used to mean any Black/Negroid person that the Romans saw in Africa or anywhere else.

The Romans tried to invade Nubia during the early years of the Christian Era. Then, Nubia-Kush was ruled by a line of Queens called "Ka'andak'es (Candace). One such queen and her son defeated the Roman army at Aswan, (see http://community.webtv.net/paulnubiaempire ) Egypt and burned the Roman Fort.
AND CARRIED THE BRONZE HEAD OF ROMAN EMPEROR AGUSTUS TO THE CUSHITE (NUBIAN) CITY OF NAPATA.
The Romans colonized and spread the Latin language to Europe. Due to this linguistic influence, the Latin term "Niger" became "Negre" in French and "Negro" in Spanish.

The English colonialists and slave entity borrowed the term "Negro" from the Spanish. The term for Black people in England before Shakespeare was "Moor" or "Black-a-Moor." The English slave owners degraded and defiled the entire name by turning the Negro into a slave and turning the original term "Ned-ger" or "God" into the racist term "******." One can say that they have insulted the sacred name for "God" and have oppressed the original people created by God. This phenomena is due to their own sense of inferiority.


LIST OF NAMES FROM THE ORIGINAL TERM FOR "GOD" AND "NEGRO/BLACK"

N-G-R (net-ger) Ancient Egyptian for God

Net-tyr (Net-ger) Khemitic/ancient Egyptian = God, Sacred, Nature

Net-tyr (Net-ger)

Negus (Nee-goos) Ethiopian term for "Emperor."

Negashi (Nee-gah-shee) Ethiopian term for "Emperor or King."

Niger: Roman/Latin term for Black or Negro

Negre: French for Negro or Black

Negro: Spanish for Black

"******" racist, corrupted term used to insult, degrade, enfuriate.

*****: (pronounced "nig-gah), used as a term of endearment by some youth; rejected by others as sounding too close to the racist term "******."

Netzer (as in Nazerine) Hebrew for "root, original)

Naga (South Indian and African term) (Black Negro tribes of India and Africa - Sudan to Nigeria) = original

Nagaloka - The Black Negro, Negro-Australoid, Indo-Negroid/Sudroid
lands and people in Asia (India to Indonesia)
(see more from the book, "Nagaloka,' by M. Gopinath (Dalit Sahitya Akademy, Bangalore, India) also see "A History of Racism and Terrorism, and Overcoming," at www.xlibris.com

Ndaba (Manding-Congo/South Africa) = A counsil of wise people, kings, chiefs, ect.

Ngola (Manding-Congo) = "King/Lord"

Nkosi = God (Zulu, South Africa)

Ngosi = blessing (Ibo, Nigeria)

Nyamekye = God's Gift (Akan, Ghana)

Nile (Egypt, Sacred River)

Niger (West Africa; Sacred River)

Niger (country in West Africa)

Nigeria (country in West Africa)

Nugarmatta: Term used by Africans of Ghana Empire to call themselves (see writings of Ibn Buttata -- National Geographic Magazine



So this is the true story and origins of the "N" word.
NEVER FORGET THAT THE WORD "******" CAME FROM THE KHEMITE/EGYPTIAN TERM FOR "GOD" AND AND THAT WORD IS "N-G-R" OR "NET-GER."

iN CONCLUSION, IT IS TIME THAT NEGROES, PAN-NEGROES (PAN-AFRICANS, MELANESIAN NEGROIDS, INDO-NEGROIDS, NEGRO-AUSTRALOIDS) AND BLACKS WORLDWIDE START BELIEVING THAT THE NEGRO IS OF THE GODHEAD AND SHOULD START BELIEVING IT, HAVING SELF-CONFIDENCE, BELIEF IN SELF AND IN ABILITY.

IT IS TIME TO REVIVE AND RETURN TO BLACK/NEGRO RELIGIONS THAT HELP DEVELOP THE MIND, BODY, SOUL, SPIRIT AND THE BELIEF IN SELF, RATHER THAN IN ANOTHER PEOPLE'S SHRINES, HOLY BOOKS, HOLY LANDS AND GODS OR IN RELIGIONS THAT PREACH OF BLACKS BEING "CURSED" OR PREACH "BROTHERHOOD" ON ONE SIDE OF THEIR FACES WHILE COMMITTING ETHNIC CLEANSING, SANCTIFIED RACISM AND GENOCIDE ON BLACKS.

Oranmiyan did not found the Benin kingdom nor did he change its name. Calling Edo as Benin is in my opinion the same as calling Japan the land of the rising Sun. From what I've heard something was happening in the palace and in the kingdom and the assistance of an Ifa priest was sought in consulting the Omnipotent for the answer which had to do with the recommendation of a judge (Oranmiyan) from Ife to resolve the matters at hand. The Ifa priest might not have been a Yoruba person but Edo persons also use it. My take is that the Yoruba and Edo have the same ancestor.

I do not subscribe to the view that the building of oyinbo-like or inspired societies including paved roads, mansions, public utilities and the likes by our people is an indicator of development. Rather I see it as an indicator of mental retrogression, wanting to live and act like them, accepting another identity, and lust of the eyes. Can such be compared to the organization of the pre-1600 Benin Kingdom for instance? There are countless indigenous examples as well.

The prophecies concerning the scattered sheep (redemption of Israel) for instance have not yet been fully fulfilled (John 10:52), including His taking away of our hearts of stone and replacing them with hearts of flesh (Deuteronomy 30:6; Jeremiah 3:16; Ezekiel 11:16-20, 36:24-27). Recall the end-time prophecies in the Book of Ezekiel? This was one of the reasons why I referred to the origins of the New Yam festivals and other similar feasts and their comparison to the offering of first fruits.

When He gathers His sheep as prophesied in the Book of Ezekiel, won't the people offer the offerings as in the past? There were some things that God told the people to observe as statutes forever e.g. Exodus 12:14, 17,24,30:21, Leviticus 3:17, 16:9, 23:14, 21, 31; Deuteronomy 11:1. I don't know if it is written that God His people to forsake the Law. Please do not misconstrue my intents, I'll summarize my views with two questions:

If one is of the descendants of Jacob, should that person being under grace see it as an opportunity to violate the Law seeing that he/she is not condemned by it?

If we are not to violate the Law including the Sabbath, can someone who does otherwise be said to be born again?

Remember that David understood grace (Psalm 51:16-17) but also obeyed the Law (Psalm 51:18-19; 112;119:151-152). Abraham understood grace but also walked blameless before God. How could he have walked blameless if he didn't obey God? Furthermore, I've been wondering whether or not the people of the kingdom of Judah including Daniel who also understood grace (Daniel 9:3-20, especially verse 4) could have observed the Law while captive in Babylon.

The Apostles also observed the Sabbath (Acts 18:4).

Remember what Paul wrote about the Bereans, how they compared the Gospel with the Scriptures.

The Messiah always referred to fulfilling the Scriptures, that is, the Law, the Psalms and the Prophets. If many Christians haven't got basic things like the Sabbath, the times, assembly/church and the scattered sheep of the House of Israel correctly, how would they not misinterpret tithes, offerings and first fruits? Lawlessness

I haven't mentioned on this thread that the Ijebu are the Jebusites, neither have I claimed that Nigerian peoples migrated from Egypt/Nubia/Levant. Rather, I have asked questions having made some observations. If I see hints I should I just keep quiet. Perhaps you want to laff at the current Awujale as well. Have you ever considered whether or not your posts on this forum are indicative of self-denial and delusions of grandeur? People communicate and debate in attempts at groping for the truth, and the weakness or strength of the arguments are in the ears/eyes of the hearer/beholder. God knows perfectly the truth that we seek.

Why do you laugh at the ancestry of the Ijebu people and my fathers (including Obanta) who were Ijebu kings? The Ijebu royalty does not dispute it (http://www.noidusa.org/ijebuoriginandhistory.html). You can check for Obanta on wikipedia. If oral accounts have been consistent for centuries in this regard what gives you the boldness to dismiss them. The Igala have also said they migrated from the east.

Your comments remind me of the likes of Naiwu Osahon who in my opinion put in lengthy efforts at inventing history eg Edo history: Who was Idu? Where did he live? What does Idu mean?

I have since decided to take your responses (aka big/plenty grammar; my take) as a challlenge.

Eleven pages already with no agreement yet! Aren't Christians being portrayed here as a confused lot with many carrying the cross of Tammuz with glee?

You forgot to add that some Yoruba did spread westward from Ife and perhaps Old Oyo to Benin, Togo and Ghana. Many are known today as Ewe.

The Hebrew for the Book of Genesis is בְּרֵאשִׁית‎, Bereʾšyt (or Beresheeth), "In [the] beginning". You would have immediately noticed that the Yoruba word for beginning/start is Bere which is also the female version of the name Daodu. I will soon write about the meaning of the name Daodu.

PhysicsQED, you can go through the links below for your personal research:

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[li]Oduduwan Revolution in World History From: Yoruba Ancient History Society[/li]
[li]AfricanOriginsoftheWordGod[/li]
[li]NANASOM: Afurakani/Afuraitkaitnit (African) Ancestral Religion[/li]
[li]Yoruba World Exploration And The Loss Of Dynasties[/li]

I want to believe that a lot of answers to the questions we ask are in the Edidi text – if only I had access (Daniel 2:18-19,27-28). I already got some important answers from the meaning of the name Daodu.

Dudu Negro, what if the Yoruba people(s) did not arrive in West Africa all at once but in waves of migrations, say 2 or 3? Such would account for versions of Yoruba history that mention Oduduwa and his entourage meeting a group of people (eg Nago and Aku as you say) in Ife upon arrival. The Ijebu monarchy does acknowledge migration from Wadai (Wadi?) in the Sudan/Ethiopia region, also the arrival of Obanta therefrom.

If there was a quagmire and the people consulted God for the solution using the Odu Ifa, such request for a king would have been made and accepted if that was the solution provided by Him. This was the case with Benin/Oranmiyan, and the Itsekiri monarchy as well.

Was Paul telling us that Abraham gave a tithe to the Messiah? Who else deserves to be called the King of Peace? Who else would Abraham have given this tithe to? Note that the Messiah is the One recorded as having appeared to Abraham more than once and the proof can be seen at Genesis 18:19.

If tithes, offerings and first fruits are for priests, Levites and widows, orphans and the fatherless according to the Law, can those who head churches and stand at the pulpits today prove to us that they are descendants of Levi? Is it right for them to call themselves priests? How is it that the focus today is on individual and not collective/national prosperity as mentioned in the Bible?