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How about what some freed slaves did to Liberia? Is it not better to humbly settle with one's brethren and weather all challenges with them while waiting for the Redeemer than supporting still the livelihoods of the slave masters? A former African-American who calls herself Yeye Olade (http://yeyeolade./about/) did make the bold move to be with her people by moving to Yorubaland and ensuring that her children grew up as Yoruba and not American.

Those who are demanding for their own chunk of land to govern themselves seem to me to be in a state of self-denial and shame over the actions of some stubborn Africans. Right now, we should be encouraging ourselves and with lots of love as something wonderful is about to happen (Zephaniah 3:8-20).

DaRapture, in my opinion, you sound condescending, like you look down on your brethren just like the colonial masters did.

I understand. I'll try to search for materials online documenting the traditional uses of the ram's horn by the Yoruba. I want to assume that it is quite possible that our people forgot, going by what Jeroboam did in times past (1 Kings 12:26-33). As for the importance of Ori, this was also further emphasized when the Spirit of God descended upon the divine Daodu (Eni to da odu le; a revelation; He gave us the 16 odu) upon His baptism with water, and when tongues of fire appeared on the heads of His disciples during that 1st Pentecost after He ascended to heaven.

Haven't we Yoruba forgotten Olodumare's personal name? I have read a document in which the claim was put forward that the Egun, Fon and Ewe name for God is Yehve/Yihve. Perhaps when I have the opportunity I would ask our kith and kin (Eww, Fon, Gun) from Ghana, Togo and Benin for their insight in this matter of anointing.
The tribal warriors of Nairaland should show us what stuff they have inside with their own contributions to this thread as well. Front page?

The Edekiri/Yoruba languages/dialects spoken across West Africa include and in the diaspora include:

Ede Cabe
Ede Ica
Ede Idaca
Ede Ije
Ede Nago
Ede Nago Kura
Ede Nago Manigiri-Kambole
Ife
Isekiri
Lucumi
Mokole
Ulukwumi
Yoruba

Perhaps the Lucumi speakers in Cuba are descended from Ulukwumi in Delta state.

http://www2.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=edekiri

Yoruba people are found not just in Nigeria but in Ghana, Togo and Benin as well. This would account for the high numbers of the speakers of the language amongst those who were carried away as slaves and their descendants. The Ewe are Yoruba and the Yoruba are Ewe; the proof can be seen in the Ifa divination which the Ewe also practice. The Defoid/Yoruboid languages refers to that spoken by peoples who say they came from Ile-Ife. The Yoruboid language group is said to include the Yoruba (Edekiri) languages/dialects and Igala language. The Igala say that the Yoruba and Igala used to be together as a group and that the Yoruba are descendants who migrated westward. Researchers have noted that the both languages are very similar.

The Edekiri languages/dialects spoken across West Africa include and in the diaspora include:

Ede Cabe
Ede Ica
Ede Idaca
Ede Ije
Ede Nago
Ede Nago Kura
Ede Nago Manigiri-Kambole
Ife
Isekiri
Lucumi
Mokole
Ulukwumi
Yoruba

Perhaps the Lucumi speakers in Cuba are descended from Ulukwumi in Delta state.

http://www2.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=edekiri

Thanks for the permission. What if the Yoruba forgot the corresponding words over time?

what or who?

what or who?

Unmarried black women
Down or out
A black male professor kicks up a storm about black women and marriage

Oct 15th 2011 | LOS ANGELES | from the print edition

https://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/full-width/20111015_USP506.jpg

AT SOME events on his book tour, black men have accused Ralph Richard Banks of advocating genocide. In fact, the Stanford professor of family law has merely written a book called “Is Marriage for White People? How the African-American Marriage Decline Affects Everyone”. But abuse is what you get for suggesting, as Mr Banks does, that black women—not only the “most unmarried” group in American society but also the one that least intermarries with other races—should look to white, Latino or Asian men as potential mates. After all, the alternative is often no marriage or relationship at all.

https://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/290-width/images/print-edition/20111015_USC773.gif

The collapse of marriage among blacks is well documented (see chart), but not the sexual, psychological, emotional and social toll this has taken on black women. Seven out of ten are single. Of the others, many are forced into “man-sharing”.

This crisis in the black “relationship market”, as Mr Banks calls it, starts with a “man shortage”. About one in ten black men in their early thirties are in prison. As a group, black men have also fallen behind in education and income, just as black women have surged ahead. Two black women graduate from college for every black man. As these women rise into the middle class, the men stay in the lower class, becoming less compatible.

Many black women respond by “marrying down, but not out,” as Mr Banks puts it. But that makes bad marriages. Two out of every three black marriages fail, about twice the rate of white marriages.

The real problem is the behaviour of those few black men who are considered good catches. They often stay unmarried for the opposite reason: they have too many options. As one man told Mr Banks: “If you have four quality women you’re dating and they’re in a rotation, who’s going to rush into a marriage?” Even black men who nominally commit to one woman are five times as likely as their white counterparts to have others on the side.

One way or another, many black women thus become, or stay, single (as two of Mr Banks’s three sisters are). As one woman tells him: “We focus on our careers, our friends, go back to school, whatever. We fill our lives with other things.” But in the hundreds of interviews Mr Banks conducted, he found pervasive sadness.

The most obvious solution, he discovered, also runs into the greatest taboo: intermarriage. This is ironic, because black men are statistically very open to marrying outside their race—more than one in five does. But fewer than one in ten black women intermarries.

For some black women, a white husband brings bad memories of slavery and Jim Crow. Others have conditioned themselves to find non-black men unattractive (lacking “swag”, in the argot). Still others fear that men of other races find black women unattractive, or that their children might be “not black enough”. But by far the most common reason seems to be that black women still regard intermarriage as tantamount to betraying the race. “My black heart,” says one black woman as she contemplates marrying out, “I would need to turn it in.” “We know it’s a struggle,” says another, “but we women got to stand by the black man. If we don’t, who will?"

http://www.economist.com/node/21532296?php%20$this-%3EincludeSnippet%28%27Publishers_Omniture%27%29;%20?%3E

Messiah is said to mean 'Anointed.'
Why does Olugbala mean Saviour?

Since those ruling in Israel today are fake jews, what then is the probability that Messiah is actually translated as Anointed? Perhaps we should ask our priests and historians what actions were taken in our kingdoms and communities that signified when a man had been chosen to serve as a royal father.

ifyalways:
If i should go with 'the anointed' for Messiah then its "Onye e tere mmanu" in Igbo.

Chief Negro,but even in the bible time,priests and kings were "anointed" with oil?
Water for cleansing. . .Yes but "Oil" for laying of hands on the head.I also thought "blood" is/was used for total cleansing,then and now?

Can you tell us why "Onye e tere mmanu" in Igbo is equivalent to 'the anointed'?

The act of anointment if very significant and is why the Saviour is the Anointed. It is like saying that the Saviour cannot be the Saviour unless HE was Anointed. Remember that Daodu (David), an archetype or glimpse of the Messiah, was first anointed by God via Samuel before he ascended to the throne of Israel to save her from her enemies.

Messiah means Anointed, not Saviour; thus we should look into the word(s) in our mother tongues used to describe the act of anointing or pouring/rubbing/smearing with perfumed oil or ointment or the indigenous substance used to signify divine influence in our communities/kingdoms.

Negro_Nations, the number erindinlogun or 16 is the complete perfect number, the complete square number. I got the info from the pages 603-611 of the book Odun Ifa. According to the author, Orunmila’s explaination of the numerology in found in Eji Ogbe. I want to believe that the names 12 gates or signs of the zodiac are strongly linked to the names of the 12 calendar months (perhaps tribes?). By the way, I have pre-emptively used the info you provided in the first paragraph on my blog but would remove it if you are not pleased with it. The info is very suitable for the Ife Bronzes thread and explains this Ife artwork. Perhaps when you feel its okay you can start a thread on Yoruba numerology.

I don't yet know what Messiah is in the Yoruba tongue, but it is not Olugbala as that has to do with salvation. The syllable "la" has to do with salvation; Olu has to do with the collective Head as in Oluwa though I have yet to find out what the "lu" actually represents; and the "gba" is like a verb for which I don't yet have the proper translation. Messiah is more like the Anointed One.

The Igbo translation supplied by Odumchi may also not be correct as he mentioned that onye nzoputa means saviour just like Olugbala. Besides, both Odumchi and Ifeleke did not back up their answers with reasons.

Negro_Nations, do you know where the number 12 is mentioned seriously in the Yoruba traditions apart from 16? I wonder if the answer is in the Yoruba names of the 12 months of the solar calendar.

Forgive me if my attitude so far has been in the region of trespass.

The messiah healed the child of a Canaanite woman who plead with HIM, saying that puppies are allowed to eat the crumbs from the children's table. As for the Amorites, my tentative opinion is that those described in Genesis 15 refer to people with oyinbo features generally just as the mention of Ethiopians in some instances was like referring to Negroes. It seems the Jebusites were absorbed (grafted?) into the Israeli population but I don't know if they were also carried away captive by the Babylonians or the Assyrians or whether during the Babylonian siege they migrated to a Wadi region of Sudan/Ethiopia. The Awujale says the Ijebu migrated from this Wadi. What I think we should concern ourselves with is to stop trying to glorify our individual churches but to glorify God as one people. We ought not to seek the peace and prosperity of the Amorites (IMF, World Bank, G-20, UN, NATO etc) as theirs is a lie. They came here and took ours by force as they are not a peaceful people. You may have observed that right from childhood in these parts we have been inculcated by ourselves to look up to the oyinbo. Right now it seems we are still in the stage of the curses mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy but there is hope when the Saviour redeems Israel.

Can you translate "Messiah" in your other tongue and provide suitable reasons? Messiah is the transliteration of the original Hebrew (Ewe) word and Christ is the translation. For instance the Yoruba translation "Kristi" in my opinion is meaningless and is a result of not seeking and asking questions. Let us embrace our mother tongue in this regard and enjoy the journey.

all4naija:
M.o.r.o.n! Did they beg the white people to make Australia the best country in the world in the first place? You are talking out of your self-fed-ignorant superiority to say the least. Go and get your head check and let the Aboriginal people live their way of life. If you think the white people can help,they should pass a law that would jail any white for a long time for acting as a racist against them. Indeed, you guys are becoming a poison in Australia than good!

Rimbaldi:
@opiacino
Their "invaders" have made Australia the best country in the world, and they still hate white people and all that we have done.
Abeg, take them to Africa, make them see REAL poverty and hardship,



it is remarks like these that make me sick to my stomach. Here u are thinking the whiteman is the best thing that ever happened to them. Why did u have to invade their land in the first place? Why did u leave ur country to seize thiers if not for certain benefits? or were u invited by the aborigines? They can choose to protest all they want, for it is their land period!

[quote author=oti-igba link=topic=856774.msg10066738#msg10066738 date=1327748065]it does not matter what the white people have done for the aborigines, its still their country white people should not be there in the first place, the aborigines didnt ask white people to come anyway, yes!! they are invaders[/quote]We should not be deceived. The peace, security and orderliness that the oyinbo (Amorites) via UN,NATO, G-20, Davos, IMF, World Bank etc seem to have is fake and not like the one from the Messiah. HE will soon judge them (Genesis 15:16). Meanwhile we should love and encourage ourselves in preparation.

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It is not African tradition to fight for food at parties. This thread is an opportunity for us to inquire more into our traditions. I know that for the Yoruba people (maybe not all Yoruba people) family members that are older than the deceased prior to the transition do not eat during the funeral.

norrisman:
Estonia

GDP per capita $19,000
Inflation 4%
Population below poverty line 20%
Unemployment 11%

Romania

GDP per capita $12,000
Inflation 5%
Population below poverty line 12%
Unemployment 7%

Latvia

GDP per capita $11,500
Inflation 3.5%
Population below poverty line unknown
Unemployment 16%

Nigeria

GDP per capita $2,500
Inflation 13%
Population below poverty line 45%
Unemployment 5% (I laugh in Boko Haram)

What of Greece and Spain?

Is the word "church" ever mentioned in the Old Testament?

Concerning the Sabbath, many profane that holy day with parties, drunkenness and revelries. Many conduct their businesses and trade on the Sabbath but refrain from doing so the following day.

It seems that many have not bothered to study the emergence of the word “church” in the new testament and who God referred to in the old testament as the bride.

Today, many who call themselves Christians look down on those who worship barefooted. What about men covering their heads? What about distinguishing the holy and clean from the unholy and clean?

Today, many in this part of the world seek to live like the Amorites (oyinbo) instead of carefully obeying God. It is as if while they have eyes to see they are blinded to the fact that the Messiah has not yet gathered His people, Israel (Ezekiel 34). Thus they assume that living like the oyinbo and comparing themselves to them is the way to go. While their brethren who are descendants of slaves are seeking to come back the ones here are seeking the Amorite ways and their iniquities – Genesis 15:16.

Ela will soon gather His people and Dawodu will lead us in worship.

In the meaning of the word Olodumare, these can be seen: the creation of man, and of woman from man; the folly of fornication and adultery; the marriage of Orunmila to His wife; why a husband and wife are one flesh; and the marriage of Yeshua and His bride. There will soon be a true revival in the Yoruba nation.

As for the practice of Ifa divination in the diaspora note that the Ewe (who were also enslaved) and Yoruba peoples are kith and kin. The Ewe people in Ghana, Togo and Benin have not forgotten their roots and did not have to learn Ifa from the Yoruba. For instance, much of the ewa agoyin sellers in Lagos are from Benin and Togo yet they know they are Yoruba and easily settle in southwest Nigeria as home is home.

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I did not mention that I am Ijebu; there's a reason for that. Where is it mentioned in the Bible that the Jebusites actually confronted Israel in the wilderness? I know of a verse but even the details of that are not yet clear to me.
Why did you not accuse Abraham, Moses, Elijah, Jeremiah, Isaiah, and many other prophets of being fixated on images? Wait a minute, hasn’t the Messiah also seriously warned us about images? Do they think crooked or walk straight? Didn't GOD punish the disobedient children for forgetting His name for their Baals (Jeremiah 23:26-27)?
Can you honestly deny that your interaction with me so far has not hinted at condescension?

OLAADEGBU:
So you think your tribe was one of the enemies that confronted Israel in the wilderness.   The reason God forbode the making of images in the Bible is because people like you will be so fixated on such images.  Look at the the videoclip and see what this former Muslim saw that made him to embrace the living God.

[flash=500,400]http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-8870177642686242029&hl=en&fs=true[/flash]

I never declared that I am or was so fixated on such images. Do you have any evidence that I was /am so fixated on such images? Perhaps you can let me know how it is that you could tell what has been on my mind, my thoughts and the contents of my heart. In accusing me of being so fixated on such images, are you sure you did not act presumptuously and falsely accuse me in that regard? Did I mention that I am Ijebu? Where is it written in the Bible that the Jebusites ever confronted Israel in the wilderness? Hey, God warned the Israelites about the error of such images; does that mean the children Israel were so fixated on such images? Various kings of Judah broke down images and pillars, wouldn't that mean that they too were so fixated on such images?By the way, I haven't yet watched that video clip - technical reasons.

I know that kings sit on thrones but I have not come across a lord sitting on thrones.

What I gathered from Boyo's arguments is that some people (a cabal?) have been deliberately short-circuiting the development of the Nigerian economy. Can Sanusi claim ignorance?