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@Banom and Dede I.
Biko unu hapu esemokwu.
I have earlier requested that everyone should ignore this senseless and moronic post. The article in this thread was published last year. It was extensively deliberated upon by well-meaning nairalanders.
It is pointless to exhume an article of last year and make a thread of it so as ,
Anyway, I spit on this imbecilic thread.

[quote author=bk/babe97 link=topic=469555.msg6294522#msg6294522 date=1277676135]Oh boi, I didnt even see this slowpoke's comment! Should I reply? Nah! Waste of time! I'll continue like I did in the past; walk by in disgust as I see his lips wrapped around BK/BABE fucking wrench. [/quote]

basktmout:
Bk, go tell that to your artificialy inseminated daugher.

How are you Baskmout?. Long time no type. Anyway, am happy you are back.

EzeUche:
No but there are countless Igbo organizations like Umu Igbo Unite. Or World Igbo Congress. We would be happy to have a Yoruba friend.

@Uchenna: I look forward to this years World Igbo Congress Convention. Will you be there?.
Do you remember Mike Ahamba's (SAN) monumental speech that was completely delivered in Igbo?.

[quote author=bk/babe97 link=topic=469904.msg6294124#msg6294124 date=1277671850]People that know that Gen.Barbangida is boinking Ojuku, thats why he endorsed the murderous, drug dealing General for President![/quote]Irrelevant.

Onitsha people know better now. To the current Obi of Onitsha, thanks for the wisdom and understanding. Igwe Achebe, Onye nwe anyi nonyere gi!Amen.

In correcting the wrongs, a tradition has recently come to light that Chima, the legendary ancestor of the Onitsha people, who latter believed to have been a Benin refugee, was an Aro oracle agent and slave dealer. Chima is a name encountered mostly among the Aro.

[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=469634.msg6292306#msg6292306 date=1277652308]if we go by all the igbo ethnocentrism that goes on here on nairaland as well as all this biafra talk. I don't see how this quote of urs hold.
or maybe it's just all "talk" [/quote]This particular thread does not fall into the category of those threads you mentioned. The enemies of Ndigbo have done all sorts of things to undermine the Igbo. They have even sold ideas to borderliene Igbo groups that has made them to question their roots. Hence all the wrongs has to be corrected.

Apart from Binin influence on Ndigbo, there was the Igala influence from the north-west direction of the Igbo area. The origin of the Idah kingdom has been traced to about 15th century. By the 17th century, it had become a great influence to reckon with in the north-western Igbo area. Among the Nsukka, there are traditions of series of Igala military actions on the area centred around a legendary figure called Onu Ojo Ogboni. This Igala influence led to a whole series of cultural borrowings by the Igbo, especially in vocabulary, titles and other social institutions like masquerades and facial marks. The Nsukka and Nike  areas of the northern Igbo , for instance, appropriated the Igala word ATAMA for their priests. The Nsukka also borrowed Igala titles to add to their earlier Nri system of Ozo and eze.
However, the impact ofthe Igala influence on Nsukka has not made some of them to twist their Igbo identity. It would have been insane for any of them to come up with ''am Igala not Igbo or am just Nsukka and no longer Igbo.  Another lesson to learn here by the Ika Igbo.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=469634.msg6290329#msg6290329 date=1277617576]you of all people.i have never seen any edo indigene specifically benin man speaking igbo as his indigenious language.the major languages there are that of bini spoken by all binis,ishan spoken by the ishan even yoruba is the major language spoken by the igarra people of akoko-edo area of edo state.i have never seen igbo langauage spoken widely in benin,trust me about this.no hating[/quote]The thread is not about Edo speaking Igbo. It is about the influence of Benin empire and her neighbours especially the Igbo. If you read my first post, it discussed the existing Nri (Igbo) culture that was prevalent in Igboland. Just as the white men brought changes in Africa upon arrival, same with the Binin on Ika Igbo. Today in IkaIgbo, what you have is an admixture of largely Nri culture and micro Binin culture.

[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=469634.msg6289992#msg6289992 date=1277601495]why is it a big deal whether or not they choose to call themselves benin. do they speak igbo?
most ppl who claim yoruba are those who speak yoruba dialects and have close cultural ties with us. even as far as togo and the country of benin.
you can't claim some culture you don't associate with just because your great great great great great grand ancestors did.


from your post it seems your claiming that igbo development is being retarded because these benin people are not claiming igbo. hahahah[/quote]@Oyinda: My case study here is the Ika Igbo (not the entire Western Igbo). you asked if they speak Igbo, and the answer is yes. At the zenith of Benin kingdom, it expanded westward in to modern day Ekiti and Ondo even as far as Lagos. The communities affected by this westerly expansion maintain their Yoruba pride. The Benin empire at the same time expanded eastwards but some of the people from this eastward movement are quick to claim Binin and now just Ika.
Despite Binin influence, the Nri culture was not completely subjugated. The most evident of the Binin influence lies in the aristocratic beaurocracy and the hierachical systems that is still maintained till this date.

This is what I should say of claims to Benin origin found in Ika Igbo. Even in non Igbo areas of Delta.

As earlier stated, with the regard to Nri impact, the coming of Bini political and social culture, with its emphasis on centralised leadership, marked such a political revolution in Igbo life that it has survived in the traditions of many groups in the dramatic form bands of aristocratic Benin culture carriers who conquered the indigenous Igbo populations and imposed their rule.

Freiburger:
But you still call this place a western Igbo why not ignore or maybe disown them since their social and political culture has changed compared to how it suits you?

Now I realise that you have not taking some pot. The emphasis is that there should not be Igbo denials. They are Igbo but the expansion of Benin impacted on their political and socio-cultural values. Regardless of Benin incursions in those regions they should be proud Igbo people . Remember, The Binin empire expanded westwards, and those Yoruba communities at the receiving end still maintain their Yoruba heritage. That is a lesson to learn .

This Bini influence went beyond the Niger to such riverine communities as Onitsha, Osomari and so on. This later Binin impact came to overlay the earlier Nri culture among the Ika Igbo etc.

Freiburger:
What do you call an advanced thread? Opps! i see, another advanced way of raising a biafran topic.silly losers .

I have made more than 1000 posts on nairaland, you can not find any of my post glorifying Biafra. So you f.u.ck.ing retarded arsee wipee should go and hang.

The Binin political domination in the Ika Igbo area and other western Igbo areas had an impact on the social and political culture of these peopleIn this regions you will witness mini versions of Benin kingdom, court ceremonials and institutions, title systems and even political terminology were adopted or I will personally say imposed.

Freiburger:
I will call this the most silly thread on NL.

You are not intelligent enough to be involved in this sort of advanced thread. As a result, f,u,c,k off and die.

FL Gators:
I have a question that's been plaguing me. Hopefully, you dont take any offense.

WHAT DOES EKITI HAVE TO DO WITH IGBOLAND?

Why did I ask? I've been noticing that anytime there's anything Igbo, Ekiti state comes up Was there some kind of " colonial connection"?[not sure if thatz the right word]
Aha, you got that right 


You're talking about 15th cent here. . . . do you actually mean Ondo or ETITI villages since Ekiti was not created at that time?

Under Ewuare the great, Benin empire extended westwards incorporating some villages and towns in modern day Ondo and Ekiti states. But the people of this areas are proud Yorubas. Binin empire extended to Igboland as well especially to Ikaland. But what you hear today is some people saying we are Bini and not Igbo. That is what am getting at.

It would appear that from this time, Bini power became a factor of great consequence in the life of Western Igbo especially Ndi Ika. Unlike their Yoruba counterparts, some of them have unhelpfully jumped at having Binin ancestry and disclaiming Igbo.

Despite the subjugation of Yoruba towns and villages, the Yorubas of Ekiti, Ikare etc are not in a hurry to give up their Yorubaness in place of Bini.

The Nri civilization with its trade routes and the iron smiths are the most important agencies in the evolution of Igbo societies. But about the 15th century or thereabout, another influence originating from outside Igboland started affecting the trend of Igbo development. This is mostly from the expansion of Binin empire. Though the origin of Binin monarchy has been traced to the period about 1300. Probably, not untill the 15th century was that state transformed from a small kingdom into an agressively expansive empire. I think this change took place in the reign of Ewuare the great.
Under his command, the Benin armies extended their conquest beyond the Edo regions subjugating town and villages of Ekiti, Ikare Afenmai and the Western Igbo.

@Banom: Biko nwanne, Ignore this irrelevant thread. This post came up last year, and was largely discussed. The Ohanaeze chieftain has since denied it. I visited him personally at his Ogwashi Ukwu residence this easter period after making arrangements with his secretary. He was only wrongly quoted.

ChinenyeN:
Igbo Youth this, Igbo World Congress that, Ohanaeze apex those, nnaa lielaa hnwe ojoo la nde we. Those organizations don't impress me, and I certainly don't care for them, either. So, I repeat, the Ika are not that large in number, and Igbo certainly doesn't need them. They're also on the outskirts of Igboland. If they really want to go, let them. The rest of Igbo will not die if the Ika remain on their own. Akasoola m.

They must not impres all. Even the U.S govt where you leave do not impress all. You earlier said Anioma will like to be on their own . You did not say Ika then. I picked it up and and discussed how wrong you were with instances of my association with Anioma leaders home and abroad.
I like adventure and as a result I made arrangements with the secretary of Amb R. Uwechue for a visit to the number one Igbo man at the moment. luckily for me, the Ohanaeze chieftain granted my request and during the easter period, I hit Ogwashi Ukwu to discuss this issues with him. As things are, I know better where the Anioma wishes to be.

Hyem kagha wu hye i kwuru "Anioma will want to be Anioma. It seems you are confusing Anioma with Ika. Anyway, Ika is just a component unit of Anioma. I do feel you were wrong in that assertion. My membership of Igbo World Assembly has afforded me with the opportunity to relate with Izu Anioma and other Anioma organisations. I also belong to Igbo Youths Uk (www.icsn.co.uk), an organisation that has in the past five years now had Anioma sons as presidents. Only the number of Anioma members in this organisation is bigger than Ebonyi state members.
For the fact Ika is too small to loose does not mean that we should care less about them. Ndigbo na asi na Anya bewe, imi esoro ya bewe.
My point is Anioma will not want to be singularly Anioma. They are Anioma and belong to the larger family-Igbo.

Tony one week/Sony Bobo---Yorima.

Ihe eji ama onye na ata aki nnukwu abugi mgbe ogbafuru nkume (okwute) yara ya na olu.
An expert palm kernel eater is not known by the fact that he wears a stone on his neck.

Andre Uweh:
I know that is your wish, am sure if you have the powers to further divide Ndigbo you will grab it with your two hands. Thank God you do not have it.
Why do you comment in such a way, especially at a time when Anioma sons head the apex Igbo organisations?.

ChinenyeN:
@ Bolded. Honestly, there really seems to be no end to how much you pan-Igbo-ists will continue to surprise me. Andre, are you serious about that bolded comment of yours? I mean, really? Moving on though, regarding your question, so what if Anioma sons head Ohanaeze (apex Igbo whatever)? How exactly does that change the stance of the general Anioma body?

The general Anioma body, are they not the ones who nominate them to head Ohanaeze and Aka-Ikenga?. Anioma may want to be Anioma as well as want to be Igbo.

During the Easter period, as part of my holidays in Nigeria, I used the opportunity to visit Amb. R. Uwaechue at his African house mansion at Ogwashi Ukwu. My visit to him has helped me to know more about Anioma and what they want to be. It is totally wrong for you to say that Anioma wants to be Anioma. That is just what you personally want. If the fate of the Igbo lies in your hand, you will not hesistate to dismember it. But the Igbo has come to stay. Take it or leave it.

stillwater:
Roflmao!!!

Na wa o. See me thinking things like this are out of date. All the married Igbo women I know are free to stay out late. Is it a village thing?

Am glad it's only the ones you know who stay out late.
Nothwithstandingly, the Igbo society is changing as the world is changing. A lot of Igbo women now are career women and involved in jobs that make them to keep late hours. For example, some Igbo women involved in nursing professions do run different shift patterns. It could be late or night shifts and it is understandable and acceptable. But when an Igbo woman leaves her husband's house to go and watch home videos in neighbours house every night may not be acceptable. If reported, umunna will wield their powers.

ChinenyeN:
And the nonsense continues. . .

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the people of Anioma just want to be Anioma.

I know that is your wish, am sure if you have the powers to further divide Ndigbo you will grab it with your two hands. Thank God you do not have it.
Why do you comment in such a way, especially at a time when Anioma sons head the apex Igbo organisations?.

Though Otumokpu do exist, but I think NFF should hire Abia state prayer warriors for our future engagements.
Orgi Uzor-Kalu while a Gov of Abia state recruited this Abia prayer warriors to help Enyimba f.c win African champions league. With their prayers, success was achieved.
Am sure that team has not been disbanded yet, so NFF, though shall not hesistate.