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only those that have never seen the horror of wish for war

panafrican: This deviation is not part of the dignified african heritage.
Make a notice: A panafrican government will not tolerate any gay practice,never ever, for the sake of God and the fatherland.

What

What dose gay have to do with any heritage

cheikh: andrewza


@^^ Well, obviously the ANC members were sabotaged because of "softies" and so called "smart" members who have turned out to be very greedy and "turncoats" who never meant well for their own people. Besides, why do you think there'll be civil war? Is it such a bad thing to have it(war) as ugly as it may seem/sound. Nobody ever voluntarily gives up "stolen" property except with some coercion/serious threat to their own existence. The settlers in Zimbabwe learnt that lesson the hard way because they thought they can hold on/out longer with some tacit support from the British. The rest of Europe and the Americans did not exactly sympathise/share in the British "quasi-colonial" interest. Nevertheless, because of the "commitments" of bilateral agreements( not wanting to be seen to break ranks) most of them(EU) and the Americans reluctantly towed the British line. War in whatever guise is never desirable but we cannot rule out its therapeutic and cleansing efficacy of the old system everywhere. The tragedy of South Africans is their inability to act purposefully because of some innate fear of the unknown and the unfortunate presence of Mandela who was promoted, celebrated and foisted on the people because of his inherent "softness" and amenable disposition. He is not a Sobukwe, Biko nor Lithuli either. The Europeans and settlers understand and know what there interests are and know who to use to achieve their ends. They could not do that successfully in Zimbabwe hence the "aggressive" rhetorics/propaganda against the "imperfect" Mugabe. Besides, the Zimbabweans[b] actually[/b] fought a war of liberation which in itself helped to demystify the "power"/status quo holding the majority Africans in abject penury and subservience in their own land. The South Africans want it easy but that is a tall order given the inherent incompetence of the ruling ANC. There is no easy walk to freedom and total liberation without paying a price. It is impossible as long as the intransigence by the settlers about the land issue is allowed to continue. The settlers seem to be unable to understand the good logic of "sharing" or Ubuntu for their own good for the long run. I guess most Europeans/settlers cannot eschew their inherent selfishness and greed. Those settlers in Zimbabwe who had the good sense of "sharing" or giving up some of their lands are thriving and happy too. It is ironic that many runaways(settlers) are heading back to Zimbabwe just like the former Portuguese and so called East African Asians are heading back to Uganda, Tanzania, Kenya, Angola and Mocabique. Why did they have to wait for some drastic actions by the Africans to happen, for them to learn a lesson in the art of respect/sharing or doing things differently?. Only cowards are afraid of "war" or the hard decisions that have to taken sooner or later. There is nothing smart about intransigence nor postponing effective decisions/policies that ultimately will happen someday whether we like it or not.

I take it you where never in a war. Only those who have never seen the horror of war wish for war.
Those who want to take the farms by force want it for themselves so who is corrupt now.
Have you ever been in zim or spoken to those who came from there. While run companies where taken over by government cronies and ran them down now the local workers there loose there jobs.

And how about this you can not own foreign currency or trade for it but if you want to leave the country you must pay a air port tax in US dollar. If your property is left alone for 3 months it gets confiscated by the state, Illegal miners where driven of a mine with a Hind Assault Helicopter. Should i go on how Zim is ruined thanks to stupid leadership.

cheikh: andrewza


@^^ Well, obviously the ANC members were sabotaged because of "softies" and so called "smart" members who have turned out to be very greedy and "turncoats" who never meant well for their own people. Besides, why do you think there'll be civil war? Is it such a bad thing to have it(war) as ugly as it may seem/sound. Nobody ever voluntarily gives up "stolen" property except with some coercion/serious threat to their own existence. The settlers in Zimbabwe learnt that lesson the hard way because they thought they can hold on/out longer with some tacit support from the British. The rest of Europe and the Americans did not exactly sympathise/share in the British "quasi-colonial" interest. Nevertheless, because of the "commitments" of bilateral agreements( not wanting to be seen to break ranks) most of them(EU) and the Americans reluctantly towed the British line. War in whatever guise is never desirable but we cannot rule out its therapeutic and cleansing efficacy of the old system everywhere. The tragedy of South Africans is their inability to act purposefully because of some innate fear of the unknown and the unfortunate presence of Mandela who was promoted, celebrated and foisted on the people because of his inherent "softness" and amenable disposition. He is not a Sobukwe, Biko nor Lithuli either. The Europeans and settlers understand and know what there interests are and know who to use to achieve their ends. They could not do that successfully in Zimbabwe hence the "aggressive" rhetorics/propaganda against the "imperfect" Mugabe. Besides, the Zimbabweans[b] actually[/b] fought a war of liberation which in itself helped to demystify the "power"/status quo holding the majority Africans in abject penury and subservience in their own land. The South Africans want it easy but that is a tall order given the inherent incompetence of the ruling ANC. There is no easy walk to freedom and total liberation without paying a price. It is impossible as long as the intransigence by the settlers about the land issue is allowed to continue. The settlers seem to be unable to understand the good logic of "sharing" or Ubuntu for their own good for the long run. I guess most Europeans/settlers cannot eschew their inherent selfishness and greed. Those settlers in Zimbabwe who had the good sense of "sharing" or giving up some of their lands are thriving and happy too. It is ironic that many runaways(settlers) are heading back to Zimbabwe just like the former Portuguese and so called East African Asians are heading back to Uganda, Tanzania, Kenya, Angola and Mocabique. Why did they have to wait for some drastic actions by the Africans to happen, for them to learn a lesson in the art of respect/sharing or doing things differently?. Only cowards are afraid of "war" or the hard decisions that have to taken sooner or later. There is nothing smart about intransigence nor postponing effective decisions/policies that ultimately will happen someday whether we like it or not.

I take it you where never in a war. Only those who have never seen the horror of war wish for war.
Those who want to take the farms by force want it for themselves so who is corrupt now.
Have you ever been in zim or spoken to those who came from there. While run companies where taken over by government cronies and ran them down now the local workers there loose there jobs.

And how about this you can not own foreign currency or trade for it but if you want to leave the country you must pay a air port tax in US dollar. If your property is left alone for 3 months it gets confiscated by the state, Illegal miners where driven of a mine with a Hind Assault Helicopter. Should i go on how Zim is ruined thanks to stupid leadership.

Blyss: China is also a joke. Their equipment is bootleg Russian crap.

to the West yes but they out class a lot of other countries

Litmus: If memory serves me right South African army did not perform well in Lesotho. Recalling the initial BBC reports, the South African army were in fact a laughing stock.

That was more to do with ROE, underestimating the mission requirements and political interference. It all so took place during a turbulent time for RSA a SANDF. And we completed all objectives in the end.

juniormomoh: The strength of a country's armed forces are not to be found in exibihition of armory, or better still displaying of pictures. The Nigerian Army does not go about displaying military equipments, what we do speaks for themselves. Even our Intelligence Agencies don't go about publicing or blowing their trumpets. It is a known fact that Nigeria has the best secret service in Africa and one of the best in the world, it is also a known fact that the Nigerian Army has one of the best infantries and combat ready troops in the world. So, my SA friends have better watch how they talk about our military might, no one prays for war, but I'm sure a trial will convince u guys. Lol

Good int service according to who. You got 2 rebel groups running around making you a laughing stock.

And the SANDF is not the one marketing all the gear. It is how defense industry(because they marketing) and out side analysts(doing there job)there is a lot that not known about like the ops room at silver mine, the Maritime damage control and fire fighting school, are less known but still out there the real secrets are still secret.

Best infantry really based on what standing on you head dose not make solders.

We dont mind people knowing what we have or what we can do it changes nothing.


Has for your claim Thai Nigeria military is super secret it is not. It just not main stream i have access to defense magazines and journals full of info on Nigeria.

There where a few ANC members who tried to push for aggressive land redistribution, they did not make it far. It would only lead to civil war and no smart South African wants to see that war.

GenBuhari: ^ So you are not aginst him because he took back land from whites?

Why does it ocncern you if he ruins his country or not?

Who tells you his country is ruined anyway?

The ANC is doing it. They buy the land from the white guy and giving it to the black guy.

It creates a knock on effect in the region. Zim is dragging SADC down. Then there are all the illegals in SA. The cross border crime is all so on a increase.

The 2 million refuges in my country tell me, the empty shop in zim extra extra tells me they collapsed.

GenBuhari: @ZIM DRIll,
Are you black?

In any case, every leader regardless of how good they may be, would always have opposition in their country.

Because you oppose Mugabe, does not mean he is doing anything wrong - it is just a matter of opinion.

I have to re-iterate that you cannot make allegations about Mugabe's motives or sincerity with out providing hard evidence and it is nit sufficient to say that you grew up in Zimbabwe, because that does not constitute evidence to support your view.

Are you against the Mugabe because he took land from whites?

I am pretty sure he is. He has the same view most zimbawens have that I have spoken to. (Witch is probably more than you)


Yes but a good leader would not fear it. A good leader would let the people decide. It seems zim has the one man one vote system. Mugabe is the one man with the one vote.

It is the matter of a lot of people opinions even SADC. Trus me if you lived in southern africa you would know what I am talking about.

Well how about SADC with there report of corruption in the election. Numerous reports of poor governing skills, violence and massive corruption. There is enough official evidence out there.

Me I am against him for the way he ruined his country. This created a knock on effect in the region.

GenBuhari: @ZIM DRIll,
Are you black?

In any case, every leader regardless of how good they may be, would always have opposition in their country.

Because you oppose Mugabe, does not mean he is doing anything wrong - it is just a matter of opinion.

I have to re-iterate that you cannot make allegations about Mugabe's motives or sincerity with out providing hard evidence and it is nit sufficient to say that you grew up in Zimbabwe, because that does not constitute evidence to support your view.

Are you against the Mugabe because he took land from whites?

I am pretty sure he is. He has the same view most zimbawens have that I have spoken to. (Witch is probably more than you)


Yes but a good leader would not fear it. A good leader would let the people decide. It seems zim has the one man one vote system. Mugabe is the one man with the one vote.

It is the matter of a lot of people opinions even SADC. Trus me if you lived in southern africa you would know what I am talking about.

Well how about SADC with there report of corruption in the election. Numerous reports of poor governing skills, violence and massive corruption. There is enough official evidence out there.

Me I am against him for the way he ruined his country. This created a knock on effect in the region.

GenBuhari: UK blocked almost all attempts at sanctions on South Africa, so, there is no comparision.

I believe that 95% of the blame for Zimbabwe's economy is due to the sanctions.

I am proud that Mugabe decided to take a stance against the West and show them that African leaders are sometimes capable of defying them and charting their own course.

Yes SA had support from both the UK and USA but that dried up and we where left with out a friend in the word by the 80s

There are other problems.
Lake of foreign investors government polices
Poor image thanks to the land reform
Sudden loss of major trade (thanks to badly run land reform)
Loss of skilled works fleeing tough economic conditions
Massive corruption
Extra
Sanction are only one of many things causing the trouble but it is the biggest thing preventing recovery

Was it a brave thing to stand up to the west? Yes
Was it smart? No
Was it the right thing to do? Looking at the out come no. It was a stupid move that he knew would end badly for him.

Mugabe can not be called a african hero. Because he only cares about his tribe. The things he has done toblack Africans he worse than what he did to the whites.

GenBuhari: UK blocked almost all attempts at sanctions on South Africa, so, there is no comparision.

I believe that 95% of the blame for Zimbabwe's economy is due to the sanctions.

I am proud that Mugabe decided to take a stance against the West and show them that African leaders are sometimes capable of defying them and charting their own course.

Yes SA had support from both the UK and USA but that dried up and we where left with out a friend in the word by the 80s

There are other problems.
Lake of foreign investors government polices
Poor image thanks to the land reform
Sudden loss of major trade (thanks to badly run land reform)
Loss of skilled works fleeing tough economic conditions
Massive corruption
Extra
Sanction are only one of many things causing the trouble but it is the biggest thing preventing recovery

Was it a brave thing to stand up to the west? Yes
Was it smart? No
Was it the right thing to do? Looking at the out come no. It was a stupid move that he knew would end badly for him.

Mugabe can not be called a african hero. Because he only cares about his tribe. The things he has done toblack Africans he worse than what he did to the whites.

Wow I wrote Re-ta-rd and it came out has slow poke.

I wonder what would happen if some body did pull of a attack on the US president. It would make what they did to Afghanistan and Iraq look like a training exercise.

Why is every body still talking to this retard.

GenBuhari: ^^What you are saying is not strictly true.

However you do agree that the economic sanctions against Zimbabwe, damaged its economy right?

To you a english saying "it was the final nail in the coffin". It did not alone destroy the economy (Apartheid SA had sanctions yet was not has poor has modern zim) but it is a major factor in the economy being so bad and one of the biggest obstacles in it recovering. Of course Mugabe was a fool to do what he did and say what he said and not expect a reaction. There is another saying. "Don't pull the tigers tail unless you prepared for the claw." Mugabe pulled the wests tail and they responded.

Do you think SA is nice to the west because we like them. Because you should now they have no friends here. But we know that with out them (and there trade) we would not survive.

GenBuhari: White farmers who burnt crops and ruined farmlamd machinaery on farms they wer abandoning , together with international sanctions lead by the west, were responsible for the economic difficulties.

There crops and machinery where being stolen (they did not get any payment) by government thugs that would kill them. So yes they destroyed there own property there is no crime in what they did.


If zim had gone willing seller method there would be no problem. I have nothing against land reform but the method zim chose was what destroyed them.

the fact that the poor suffer in india and brazil so much is due to greed. You make a good point in comparing apartheid to those countries has there are similarities (replace skin color with class, tribe and social states) yet they are rich world players.

My problem with Mugaby is not what he is doing. He is no different to most African dictators he is not even the worst. My problem is that for a long time he ruled with peace and Zim prospered. Then he changed in to this. A man who destroyed his own country but made him and his friends rich. I don't care if people like him but to call him a African hero is a insult to all those he has killed. He is not a hero he has who has he saved. Yes he saved his people then ruined them for the sake of greed. Has I said there have, are and will be worse rulers than him around. But don't insult the dead by calling him there hero.



And yes Nelson is not a african hero he is a south african hero. I don't care if people from out side don't admire him why should they. I don't admire your national hero's.

GenBuhari: ^ Good

Of course I would accept that answer from a white person. Why wouldn't I?

You get strange people that assume every body is lying to them.

GenBuhari: @ andrewza,
Answer me this simple question do you think that white people are superior to blacks? (give me a yes or no answer) :

No.


Now answer this. Would you accepted that answer from a white man.

I work for the government in a department controlled by former rebels. Along side black people from all over south africa. If I did not feel that they where my equals I would not be in this job.

cheikh: andrewza


@^^ The highlighted - Do you sincerely believe what you wrote above? Have you actually visited any of the countries you glibly mentioned above? Let me help you a little bit- Brazil is basically an European country just like old apartheid South Africa planted in the jungle of South America with a very large pool of "quasi slaves" Africans/blacks as cheap labour since slavery days. Nothing has changed for a majority of poor Brazilians who are not of European stock. Was apartheid South Africa any different? I am surprised that you even mentioned India and Philippines. Please enumerate how these countries are inherently better than African countries perhaps in the art of corruption and general poverty which both countries have in greater numbers than any African country. Please try to travel and stop swallowing every misinformation you hear on CNN, Fox News, and BBC et al. I write from first hand experience not from story books or pseudo-News networks. Also I don't do blaming the West or Europeans/Foreigners for our/my problems whatsoever. I know that we are at "WAR" or in "Competition" so I am not foolish to assume that your kith and kin will ever wish me well. I have perished/expunged that kind of thought from my system long time ago . I do not even believe in the acceptance of so called "AID" let alone advice from "enemies" .

I tried to mention countries close to the situation in Africa I could mention poland, japan, Australia extra but that would be stupid. I am know that south America and south east asia are all so full of poverty and there is massive corruption. But even so brazil is richer than most african countries same for india. Both nation slums are large than any thing you can imagine. But the nations (not the people per say) are rich.

cheikh: andrewza


@^^ The highlighted - Do you sincerely believe what you wrote above? Have you actually visited any of the countries you glibly mentioned above? Let me help you a little bit- Brazil is basically an European country just like old apartheid South Africa planted in the jungle of South America with a very large pool of "quasi slaves" Africans/blacks as cheap labour since slavery days. Nothing has changed for a majority of poor Brazilians who are not of European stock. Was apartheid South Africa any different? I am surprised that you even mentioned India and Philippines. Please enumerate how these countries are inherently better than African countries perhaps in the art of corruption and general poverty which both countries have in greater numbers than any African country. Please try to travel and stop swallowing every misinformation you hear on CNN, Fox News, and BBC et al. I write from first hand experience not from story books or pseudo-News networks. Also I don't do blaming the West or Europeans/Foreigners for our/my problems whatsoever. I know that we are at "WAR" or in "Competition" so I am not foolish to assume that your kith and kin will ever wish me well. I have perished/expunged that kind of thought from my system long time ago . I do not even believe in the acceptance of so called "AID" let alone advice from "enemies" .

I tried to mention countries close to the situation in Africa I could mention poland, japan, Australia extra but that would be stupid. I am know that south America and south east asia are all so full of poverty and there is massive corruption. But even so brazil is richer than most african countries same for india. Both nation slums are large than any thing you can imagine. But the nations (not the people per say) are rich.

GenBuhari: I know you are white and it is eating you up that an African leader has the courage to defy the western nations and prosper!

I care nothing for the western world. They betrayed us a left us to die. We went in to Angola on behalf of America who then left and removed all aid when it was no longer politically correct to be there.

The CIA gave south africa the location of nelson. Then later demanded his release.

There are many more betrayals committed by the west. So no it dose not bother me he is defying the west.


Has for prosper. What drugs are you on because the must be good.

GenBuhari: ^I know enough to know that Mugabe is a hero!

How so. Let's see what he did.


He won his civil war with critical support from the west.

Ruled for a few years all was well.

Took productive farmland and gave it to people with no skills. Ruining his country.

Got him self in debt to western controlled global banking institutions.
Turned his country in to a Chinese puppet state.

So to sum it up. Put in power by the west, destroyed economy, and be came a foreign powers lap dog. If you think that is a African hero you must go to a head doctor.

You seem to know nothing of the area. The only 2 currencies used in zim. The US dollar and SA rand.


Zim is not a african hero. He made is country depended on foreign aid. where SA need no out side help.

@ Despicable-VII

Why is south africa not worth speaking about. Is it because you can not find a foreign puppet master. I mean zimbabwe is chinas puppet. But who can with out a doubt control SA.

GenBuhari.
You do not seem to know any thing of the region. Yet you act like you have been to both countries. Or at least have reliable second hand experience.

GenBuhari: ^ Is Mugabe seeking any new loans from the IMF?

Is he listening to Western nations/IMF / World bank advise on how to run his economy

The he dance to tune if Western nations/IMF / World bank on land reform?


Why do you keep asking a question Ihad already answered?

First of the advice he is getting is all so coming from SADC nations. And maybe he should listen to it.

And they getting a lot of foreign Aid from south africa and china.

Last point he is not asking the west who withdrew there aid because he is stupid racist fool who will burn in hell in the spot reserved for traitors to the home land. For that is what he is. He betrayed his people by taking there great land and destroying it.

pazienza: Wow! So finally,you show you true colours,i have brought out the beast in you,i knew you had it in you,it's in your genes,you all are beasts...

Nigeria will never advance,because we have blackmen amongst us,who don't see you guys for what you are,beasts...

How have finally showed my true colors. I have never changed any point I have made.


No it is stupid,corrupt, misinformed and hateful people that ruin Africa.



Tell me what is the point of owning land if you staving to death.

pazienza: We? There was never a 'we',no caucasian is indigenous to African,can't you get it,you were unwanted invaders, why should the land recovery be done in a civilized manner? When you invaded and took those lands from Africans,did u do it in a civilized manner? You took the lands in a barbaric way,and it was taken from you in the same manner,so stop whinning over what was never yours...

Who care where they spend their profits? Well,we don't really care,we only care about our lands,and we have taken them,they should go to europe or any other invaded country and continue making their profit...

WE. Yes i am African we have other home. Yes we invaded the Bantu all so invaded South Africa around the same time together we wiped out the true south Africans (Khoi khoi). Then we became independent but still tied to the west until they betrayed us in Angola. So yes i am African this is my home i know of no other.


It is people like you that Nigeria is so far behind. You have the ability to become a great nation but your hate of the white people and each other is holding you back. Nigeria will never Advance if your mind set stay like this. It is all about the money a group people gained the lands back in south africa it was in a Rich area and they where before this simple farmers so what did they do. They built a hotel and apartments there. They don't live there but that land will provide for them and there children. You would have had them evict all the whit people there and then starve. Yes who cares if you die at least you can die your land is what you want to tell the people.


you are fool who would destroy Africa for things done before your time. you should move on