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It is not ignored it is irrelevant. madiba spent more than 10 years in prison and yet he had only a wish to unit the land together.

[quote author=fried-rice]This is obviously the reason we ve been performing woefully at the Olympics[/quote]you can say that. Dose not make it true though.

If it where not for the killings and what not I would agree.

Actual these games are great. But that because I look at the sports that what the games are about.

I wish reporters would get there facts straight.

Firstly gun laws in the USA are getting stricter. Only a few states allow you to own a fully automatic weapon and they do a back round check first.

Second. The main weapon used in the batman shooting was a AR15 witch is illegal in calfoinia.

Third most(not all) of these gun crimes he talks about are from unlicensed and illegally owned weapons

Both new york and chircargo have super strict gun laws. They both have high amount of crimes witch use guns.

Many people collect guns so saying 88% have guns is stupid since most would have more than one. And I doubt most of get used. My grand farther has 7 guns he has 2 45cal pistols a few hunting guns a shot gun a lever action rifle a 9mm pistol. But he dose not even have ammo for all of them some like his 1911 45cal US army issue pistol is never used it a piece of history.


Fourth. A armed civilian population means that the government would struggle to become a dictator since the civilians(many trained or ex cops/solders) could stand up to him.

And if you look at Belgium or norway banning guns dose not prevent crazy nut jobs get them. Only prevents the every day man who if he wanted to kill his cheat wife and back stabbing husband could use a kitchen knife.

I wish reporters would get there facts straight.

Firstly gun laws in the USA are getting stricter. Only a few states allow you to own a fully automatic weapon and they do a back round check first.

Second. The main weapon used in the batman shooting was a AR15 witch is illegal in calfoinia.

Third most(not all) of these gun crimes he talks about are from unlicensed and illegally owned weapons

Both new york and chircargo have super strict gun laws. They both have high amount of crimes witch use guns.

Many people collect guns so saying 88% have guns is stupid since most would have more than one. And I doubt most of get used. My grand farther has 7 guns he has 2 45cal pistols a few hunting guns a shot gun a lever action rifle a 9mm pistol. But he dose not even have ammo for all of them some like his 1911 45cal US army issue pistol is never used it a piece of history.


Fourth. A armed civilian population means that the government would struggle to become a dictator since the civilians(many trained or ex cops/solders) could stand up to him.

And if you look at Belgium or norway banning guns dose not prevent crazy nut jobs get them. Only prevents the every day man who if he wanted to kill his cheat wife and back stabbing husband could use a kitchen knife.

Idi Amin was known for doing outrages things. He was a character. He created a charity to help the poor in England when they had there economic troubles. He was all so a butcher of his own people and a man who aided terrorist but Israel then embarrassed him and his air force still sits on the tarmac after that event.

I could have been a white zim farmer I am not though.


Actually I am part of the military and what I found out from there is why I do not support war. A simple story explains it in the DRC villagers where attacked all men killed the women raped and killed children kidnapped, non of them where armed or a threat but has is the nature of Africa no one cares. But now here is the part that explains how bad war can be. And toddler was found by the UN patrol that came across the attack she was alive (sort of) but so skinny she was just bones nothing could be done for her she. Died a slow death of starvation. What crime did she commit she was to young to support any side in the war but she was forced to die in agony because some people think war is good.

Actual it is far worse. He is a hypocrite. He is living in America studying at a university (something somalia dose not have) and then claims he wants to go back to Somalia to lead it. This fool knows nothing about Africa or Somalia he is more American than any thing else.

Has for the African Unity it is a long time wish but I doubt it will happen when so many African counties are not even united.

To the OP those in glass houses should not throw stones at others. Before you talk down on the rest of Africa sort your mess out first. Somalia would die if it where not for the AID from the rest of Africa. And yes you african we would prefer it if you where not but you are so deal with it.

Why dose every body bring up lestho. South africa won there even with the super restrictive ROE being out numbered (we never set in that many solders) and all this during a difficult transition time for the SANDF. I mean if we wanted to we could have destroyed lestho.

Has for recent wars. Last war ended 1989 /1990 for us. Has for peace keeping Burrindie (we saved the day there) DRC, Sudan and now south sudan are the main areas. Then there is border patrols.

cheikh: andrewza


@^^(1) I never said/implied that UK leads the EU let alone have the kind of influence Germany and France wields amongst the EU members.

(2) Of course there were guns in SA but in whose hands were the serious guns/ammo? whites/settlers of course!. The so called armed MK guys cannot be taken seriously . How many settlers did they harm let alone kill? I don't want to denigrate their struggle/valour etc but sincerely I don't take the so called freedom fighters of South Africa that seriouly compared to the Mocambiqans, Angolans, Namibians and of course the Zimbabweans where some 13yearl olds were actually fighting/dying.Your MK guys were into "grandiose" targets which they never managed to disable. SA was better policed(borders) and ruthless in every sense of the word hence the lower incidences of damage/fights if any. SA may have many soldiers but that does not explain away the general incompetence/ineptitude of the so called freedom fighters of SA. SA freedom protesters/fighters had a lot of goodwill/attention from the rest of the world hence the inevitable favourable "headlines". Sincerely many were indisciplined/drunk lacking any sense of purpose hence the school kids revolted against the "adults"/parents and took certain unsavoury actions against what they saw as decadence, cowardice and blatant indiscipline amongst the "adults" which still pervades the place.
As you put it there was "lots of blood on the streets and a number of state of emergencies due to them". My friend, as a former SADF veteran, did you sincerely feel threatened [/b]or was your [b]safety ever in doubt? You can't equate street disorders and occasional brou ha ha as serious armed struggle. Do you? May I ask a personal question? Why did you not take the option of "a conscientious objector" if you cared about the "injustice" meted out to the "owners" of the land(Africans). You "gladly" enlisted or got conscripted without any qualms . Well, I do not blame you but somehow I cannot prevent myself from thinking that it would have been better for everyone in SA to feel the pain equally in order to appreciate/respect each other. As it is now, nothing really have "changed" as to make the Afrikaaners to be a little contrite, less pompous, aggressive and inherently contemptuous of other people to the extent that some of them wanting a separate nation of their own . I do not know how I'll feel if I was a South African(African) given the experience. I know of a blue eyed Aussie who confessed to me that your settlers(Afrikaaner) are despicable and horrible indeed. That's coming from an "Aussie" after his visit to SA. The settlers in Zimbabwe are far more "sensible" and less "confrontational" nowadays, perhaps they have learnt a lesson or two or maybe they are a better "breed" of human beings than their SA cousins .
andrewza, let's say goodbye and thanks for sharing your views/conversation. I appreciate your insight/views no matter how disagreeable it may sound. Have a good day.

firstly i am not a Afrikaner i dislike them actually, i find them rude and they blame every body but themselves for all the mistakes. Where the zim settlers where mostly english speaking.Hence the big deiffrense.

Has i said before i joined the navy after all the bad stuff but i can give my thought on the matter. The youth uprising where never a real threat

All so yes they where youth uprising and had next to nothing with the MK

Has for a Australian talking about how we treated the locals he should look at his home first to see how we could have done it even worse..

[quote author=Jon.Bee]Mugabe is an african hero
A true black liberator of Zim
from the shackles of colonialism and unjust occupation

Yeah, if I was in his shoes, I will also kill the traitors, spies and anti-liberation "uncle toms"

An enemy is an enemy, be it an homegrown traitor or a foreign aggressor.
Afterall no nation condones treason.
How about Obama assasinated a suspected traitor Awlaki (an american)

All hail the freedom fighter and black hero Mugabe.[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxptHYBrHdQ&feature=player_detailpage

ROSSIKE: Mugabe is an African HERO.

Even though he killed Africans.

cheikh: andrewza


@^^ You'll agree that the EU/other Europeans did not really sympathise with the British stance on Zimbabwe but had to "tow the line" so as not to be seen as "breaking the ranks" . The EU knew exactly what the "agreements" were in relation to the land issues but the Blair government chose to be intransigent and spread false propaganda against Mugabe which culminated in driving him even more recalcitrant and confrontational than he would be if the British kept to their side of the agreement- adequate funding for the "willing seller/willing buyer" for farm lands. The British only provided £20ml aligned to "democracy", a far cry from the agreed sum of about a billion promised. Most Zimbabweans were very much aware of the contents of the agreement hence the impatience/militancy. Besides, most were veterans so have lost any sense of fear/subservience which is still pervasive in South Africa even after "freedom"/apartheid. It will take generations before South Africans will be weaned from such mental slavery/hang-ups. It is expected anyway, since their experience was unlike Zimbabwe( gun toting freedom fighters). There is no substitute for the efficacy of actual "war" - win or lose in liberating a people from innate psychological fear/subservience.
Yes, we must agree on something. We are trying to have a conversation about our mutual survival and the way forward . We are about life not death I hope .

I don't agree that the rest of the EU followed tony bush sorry I mean blare. The UK dose not lead the EU in any real way. If there is a power in the EU it is germany. But I do agree the entire zim problem from unilateral independence to the end of the revolution till now has been one big mess the english caused.

And has for no guns in SA revolution. That is foolish. Thanks to my job I have met former MK solders and Former SADF solders (some are friends with each other). There was lots of blood on the streets. And a number of state of emergences due to them.

Yes there where never shoot outs in south africa between massive rebel groups and SA security forces. That had more to do with SA have more solders. They kept. Across the border. But to say that the SA blacks did not fight for there freedom is a insult against all who died in those battles.

See we do agree.


Yes the war in Angola was a proxy war but south africa was a American and there where lots of little unwritten rules in that war. One was cuba stand out of (then) south west africa because all though the world hated apartheid the west hated the communists even more. And we control the second best rout to the far east and the best could be blocked by one ship sicking at the right spot. All so we had 7 nukesplus a few more on the way.


That a lot of small farmers. But who they selling it to I mean it is illegal to own foreign currency. Unless there is a lot of corruption. But still good work with the farmers and with the EU dropping sanctions and resuming AID they can actual turn it in to a good profit.

You do know we where one of the players in the civil war. It would have been wrong for us to go in and may have done more harm than good.

And south africa has history of war way long than 50 years. But I would never bother with that in this thread. It is history.

You do know we where one of the players in the civil war. It would have been wrong for us to go in and may have done more harm than good.

gst101: when the cold war ended, africa was been abandoned and liberia decended into a brutal war. Naija and our ecowas allies took the bold step to intervene militarily in liberia. We fought so hard side by side and today, one of the most politically unstable countries in africa is now stable and democracy is consolidated by the back to back elections held in our brother country liberia. By this single action at that point in time, nigeria and our ecowas brothers showed to the world that indeed 'africa has come of age'. I am not going to separate ecowas from nigeria becos our ecowas brothers are us and we are them.

Is it not funny how during the cold war the south was at war and now after wards we at peace.

And do you know about executive outcomes.

SmoothCrim: Here is the full list!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Organization_Stabilization_Mission_in_the_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo


India contributed more than both as did Pakistan!

Both have insane military budgets and size (the all ways ready for war, with each other) but yes they contributed a lot.

And that data is old but still a good scale.

Never said you did not run a local mission. And south africa has done a lot for peace keeping. In a number of regions. The main reason for the lake of local mission is the peace that existence in the area.

Major general Samaila Iliya was commander of the DRC mission 2004 to 2005. This dose not mean Nigeria was in charge of the mission it meant Samaila Iliya was in charge each mission get a commander from a Dona nation.

My inf on this bit is old but Nigeria had less than 100 men in the DRC (comparison RSA has over 1000) so you did not run it.

Even in first world counties that happens just look at the Neo Nazis (then again they hat every one)but yes it is there but at least we dont lock them up in mental hospitals to try and "cure them" and there is a gay pride march every year in cape town never been bombed by some crazy dude yet.

gst101: thats a lie! The naija army coordinated them selves anytime on peace keeping thats why they comand un forces.

Not being rude but witch UN missions (UN not AU or AU UN mix)
And being in command dose not mean coordinate when South Sudan had there indepence day thing they where in command but a lot of the coordination was not done by them (mainly air control side)agian not rude just asking

AT OP

Regardless of the why it seems your military is only loyal to its self. If this had taken place in RSA they would have been suspended pending a trail. Last time the SANDF had solders challenge the law in the streets they lost there jobs. And not even a (civilian) court order could get them back in.

There is no place in a organized military for unruly solders. Solders like that will get people killed in a war.

The kind of mind set that has all whits has spy's is the same one that Apartheid had that all blacks are terrorists. And even the apartheid government would let a black man in(not all bases and it would not be welcomed but they would comply).

Has for the claim that he did not need to call the CO that is correct. But he should have called the guard commander.
And yes the first world nation do focus to much on dark skinned people. Even in south africa this is the case. It is a sad fact of life. But tit for tat never solved any problems.

morpheus24: Tell that to your comrade who sucks up all the media info about Naija and thinks every corner of it is infiltrated with Boko Haramists. You are as safe in a hotel in Victoria Island as much as you are safe in the hotels in Sandton. Go to Boko haram territory and you risk getting bombed, likewise travel to the townships Kliptown, gugulethu or alexandria as a " Black foreigner' and risk getting mistaken for a refugee is coming to take "our jobs" and "housing".

Shikena.

Have there not been any BH attacks in the capital or places out side of the north.

gst101: is it only two million refugees you have in SA? In naija we have many more refugees and imigrants without papers and they have integrated so much that they even vote in elections.

We have a lot more than 2 million. I mean we have more than 2 million zimbawens alone.

morpheus24: Yeah I am guessing that a "fraction of the South African" population also live in townships where all these Hate crimes are comitted so that definitely constitutes an insignificant number of people in SA as a whole.

PS You tolerate "people"..... sorry let me rephrase. You tolerate "tourists" who are coming into the country to "spend" money and prop up your "tourism" industry, the chinese who are driving your textile industries into the ground and the Pakistani/Indian communities who are pretty much setting up shop in every nok and corner of the country but for some reason you have the courage to beat down on African who by and large share the same geography, history and economic conditions as you do

BRAVO my fellow South Africans!!!, who do you think you are fooling with that blow up church stuff, please.

Well yes the intolerant ones do live in the townships. And there is reason behind it.
Education(or lack of it) means they not the smarts people out there.
Unemployment. Townships are full of them. They wrongly blame the refuges for this.

There are 2 shops in my town. One owned by a Somalian and a Pakistan. There are all so many Africans working here. No hatred.

followed by retarded

You must be some kind of funny man.

You got a messed up education system.

cheikh: andrewza


@^^ Why do you presume that I've never been in war? Besides, do we now assume that because war is horrible etc that we should not fight for justice whatever it may cost? My friend you are trying to sell "fear" and "cowardice" amongst the oppressed so as to maintain the status quo. There is nothing special/unique about dying in war honourably and burying one's head in the sand cowardly like a slave. Have you actually been in a war? I do not consider the so called war/raids by apartheid South Africa into neighbouring vulnerable/hapless Zambia and other countries as serious war involving the citizens of South Africa. South Africans were a "captive" lot hence there was not much of a war(internal) and contrition/fear by the settlers in South Africa. Believe me actual war as ugly as it is have a way of clearing away "rubbish" and innate inferiority complex pervasive amongst the South Africans no matter whatever they may think. It is akin to being an ex slave. It takes many generations for such hang-ups to die away whereas the so called oppressor is forever emboldened and energised. War wipes away such hang-ups whether you won or lost the war. It is therapeutic and cleansing indeed . We cannot run away from it hence the Zimbabweans will forever be proud and[b] emboldened [/b]as full fledged human beings anywhere unlike half baked "hand me down" freedom chanters. You have never been at the receiving end of "white" supremacist terror hence it is impossible for you to empathise. It is not your fault and I do not hold it against you. You are also a "victim" like everyone else around you black or white. Oppression affects everyone- master/slave obliquely.

You do know what took place in Angola against the cubans backed by the USSR. There was a war for you. And I was not serving during the border war. But the SANDF deploys to lots of war zones. And I would prefer we did not end up like them.

You do know that the majority of big business is in the black elite (or ANC members) hands. The fact that the poor are still poor is more to do with greed. There is a big chance of a revolution against the rich than a war against white farmers who are a big source of employment.