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The low level of Education is one reason why Nigeria is less developed than SA. Uneducated poor youth are more likely to join a extreme group like BH or attack oil pipe lines. Most educated people would know if a fuel tanker crashes don't run to scoop up fuel.

So here are my reasons.

No Unity
Low education
Corruption

Remove these problems and you will become a true giant africa.

So there are a lot of families that struggle to put there kids through private school.

I doubt that private education is enough for every one. How many are not going to school.

How many are able to afford private schooling.

[quote author=ndu_chucks]Oh yeah. Ok, let me give you some truthful facts: The 2012 Olympics were held in London and I watched all the soccer matches.

Now all of una from South Africa be biris (monkeys). How do you like that! sebi my facts are accurate and I'm not lying. mumu[/quote]I did not watch the women's football game and I don't know nothing about the SA female football team. I do know we won 6 medals witch is 6 more than you.

PhysicsQED: He actually said it was foolish to think that "aids is such a big problem" in SA because "hiv/aids is treated like a lifestyle desease in S.A not a chronic disease burden."

That emotionality is messing up his sense of reason.

In the case of Nigeria, I can say that HIV/AIDS is a big problem in Nigeria regardless of how HIV/AIDS is treated and viewed there. I can say that unabashedly, because I'm not messing up my ability to reason over the AIDS issue in regards to Nigeria.

What wrong with that statement. HIV/AIDS is not the super life destroy it is any more. With treatment it is like nothing is wrong. Although there is no cure it can be managed with medication. People with HIV/AIDS live normal lives these days.

PhysicsQED: 1. The reference to the prevalence rate was for adults from age 15-49 and is based on South Africa's own National HIV Survey of 2008 and the UNAIDS report on South Africa from 2010 which gives very similar statistics. The South African Department of Health study of 2010 gives even worse (more scary) statistics but is a less general survey so I ignored that one. If you wanted the HIV and AIDS prevalence for all of the population from age 2 and above in SA in 2008, the number is around 10.9% based on the aforementioned studies but all the estimates from WHO, UNAIDS, etc. that put HIV/AIDS at around 3% to 4% for Nigeria are referencing the data for adults (see: http://www.unaids.org/en/Regionscountries/Countries/Nigeria/) aged 15 to 49, so the comparison was made using the 15-49 adult prevalence rate as the standard.

If I had compared the total population, not just those aged 15 to 49, I would have got a rate of around 2% (assuming the population of Nigeria was 154.7 million in 2009 as claimed by the UN), which would still be slightly less than one fifth of that of SA's 10.9% for 2009. It made no difference whether I used the stats for age 15 to 49 or included children because the ratios between the stats for the two countries would still be very similar as 3.6% (for age 15 to 49, going by the UNAIDS estimates) is still one fifth of 18%. If you have better data from 2011 that gives significantly different statistics for the two countries than those available you can provide that data.

I was never attempting to compare AIDS rates in the first place. But it's ironic that you state that 5.6 million are the number living with HIV and AIDS in SA when that statistic is from the exact same source that gives the adult 15 to 49 prevalence rate that I cited earlier (see: http://www.unaids.org/en/regionscountries/countries/southafrica/) and then go on to claim that you don't know where I got my statistics from.

On supposed underestimates of those living with or dying from AIDS, South Africa isn't infallible either:

"The survey had also had a fairly high rate of non-response with just 64% of all eligible participants agreeing to an HIV test. The effect of non-response on accuracy is uncertain. It is difficult to conclude whether those who refuse to be tested are more or less likely to have HIV. The only certain effect of the low response rate is that it increases uncertainty." - This is a description of South Africa's National HIV Survey of 2008, just google this if you need the source.

To suggest that the disparity in the stats would be due merely to alleged non compliance of some states in Nigeria is a weak argument. Anyone who looks at the stats for African countries knows that AIDS is generally far more serious in the southern part of the continent as far as percentages of the population than in West Africa. This is glaringly obvious and it almost doesn't matter which West African and Southern African countries one is comparing.

Of course Zuma is doing something significant to combat AIDS, he has to given the situation or he would be seen as grossly incompetent. Nigeria has been attempting very seriously to combat HIV/AIDS from the Obasanjo administration to the present as attested to by the WHO but is not doing that successfully due to a lack of adequate finances (even with outside support from international developmental agencies) at the current time, not any lack of initiative. Both countries are trying to combat the problem and SA is doing relatively better with its more serious problem given its more developed status, but I can at least say that no president of Nigeria was daft enough to confuse the issue and promote ignorance about HIV with statements about showers, unlike certain other presidents:

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/zuma-s-shower-theory-causing-confusion-1.273500

Moving on. . .

2. The fact is, your country voted into power a man that thought showering affected HIV yet you're claiming some kind of superiority because the current ruling party in South Africa was able to build off of the cushy, more comfortable developmental position established by the previous regimes.

You were also very silly to suggest that Nigeria had a developmental headstart over South Africa in 1960. There are no "well researched proven facts" in the world that could suggest such a ridiculous idea and no sane person could promote a so called "fact backed opinion" like that, but being the clown you are, you would make that claim shamelessly.

1 has been mentioned before. This is 2012. We have a low rate of new infection. We can not remove the current infected people so we will remain the highest for a long time since thanks to free treatment you can now live a long life even though you have HIV or AIDS.


In south africa you don't vote a man in to power. You vote a party. Each vote gives that part a certain number of seats in parliament. Then parliament chooses a president. Most people will vote ANC regardless of who the ANC president is.

The fact that he is emotional means he is proud of his country and all that is done. And his facts are still correct he is not lying.

There seem to be many miss informed people here.

Firing the head the head of the military that support your enemy is a smart move. The way it was done was stupid though. Better it was done in private.

Israel dose not want a war with egypt but if it happened is more than ready.


Israel is like a lot of industrial countries. It builds a lot of its own weapons but it all so buys from other countries. Of course it then modifies them. A American F16 and a Israeli F16 may look the same but they are different aircraft. All so israel gets a lot of ammunitions from the USA.


Israel want Hezbola to stop attacking there border with raids and rockets. And they have. Yes they took a few casualties but they dished out more than they received.

all4naija: It hurts,dude! Yes, they reject what would have helped to keep the infection at bay!

No it dose not hurt. It is irrelevant. You can still get tested for free.

all4naija: Was South African not larger as well? Isn't South Korea economy larger than that of South Africa presently?
You have a problem with anything Nigeria, dude.

Why is South Africa more developed and stable than Nigeria is the question?

Yes SK has a larger economy than SA.

all4naija: Another misconception. And, it is good that your health ministry rejected 500,000 AIDS test kits.

Please, bad-mouthing other African country, in this case Nigeria doesn't pay, dude. The topic is meant to be a question which your like, superior-inclined braggarts South Africans turn into criminalizing of Nigerians as people.


Once again, CONGRATULATIONS for your effort to look innocent of the African problems!

Sorry what do you mean by this. What dose reject test kits mean to you.

Since when did we "criminalizing" any body from nigeria.

And what do you mean look innocent of the african problems. We know we have problems and we are trying to deal with them.

all4naija: Yet the superior South Africans with the developed blahblah can't curtail HIV/AIDS. Not only that it is a shame to see your president saying something about shower as a way to prevent the condition. Jeez! What going on in you guys' brain. When one thinks one has seen the worst some of you ignorant South Africans would pop out from unknown-where to outperform that.

CONGRATULATIONS!

The numbers show that we are getting a hand on it. But we can not decrease the number of current infected. They still alive has such the rate of increase is bloody low considering the number of current infected.

Katsumoto: And they were all formed with the industrial capabilities or those countries developed their industrial capabilities.

That argument is weak because any country can decide to increase its capabilities in any sector if it so chooses.

Nigeria has the resources to rival, and even surpass, those countries if it gets its act together.

Malaysia which is the world's second exporter of palm oil learned the cultivation from Nigeria in the 50s. Nigeria is now 24/25.

So why dose Nigeria lag behind in this regard.

And this is true but false. Yes you can decide to build up one sector but it is not easy and requires effort, time and the will.

This true. If you could pull together and strive to improve your nation you could be great.

This is a sad fact.

all4naija: So, it is only South Africans who are doing something while Nigerians fold their arms? Bwahaha.

No where did I say that. But we doing a lot more than you. How many ARV,s do you make or do you still buy them and what percentage of your population is checked.

all4naija: How can that be possible when South Africa has the highest crime rate in Africa? Even sometime in the past the world highest.Dude, get your fact straight than complicating yourself.

South africa has the highest crime rate of a peacefully country(no war no terrorism no disorder extra) with reliable statistic. Nigeria statics if released are not trusted and you are not in the country at peace group.

Katsumoto: I am with PhysicsQED on this.

@ Ndu chucks

What is it about breakup that really scares you? You resort to war mongering and pessimistic predictions. Why have you decided to use Benin? Why not Austria, South Korea, or Luxembourg that all have significantly smaller populations than Nigeria, less resources, but are all significantly wealthier than Nigeria? Nigeria for all its resources, mineral and human, still lags behind considerably when it should be pressing to be a developed nation instead of pressing towards failed nation status.

Those 3 counties have greater industrial capabilities than Nigeria.

all4naija: It doesn't take much to understand your false representation of Nigeria.When has Nigeria become the country with the highest crime rate in Africa? You must be hallucinating to conclude on that using a wrong impression of what you hear about resorting to crime outside its borders.

For you information, I am not misinformed about that(it used to be I mean to say and the highest living with the condition), it's misinterpreted by me. However,it hasn't changed anything. It proves all the countries with the highest HIV/AIDS are within the peripheral of your so aggrandized superiority without finding appropriate solution yet come here running your wide mouth around. And, your loud mouth about other African countries is nauseating to say the least,most especially,it is always coming from the black South Africans.

How in your wildest dream would you think the progress made in South Africa is the handwork of the blacks? I am yet to see any living proof of that.

On the final note, you can cry baby and I careless about South Africa's development - as it has change anything about Africa(apart from the world cup 2012).

Please, steer clear from passing any criminal judgement on Nigerians without looking at what crimes are being committed in your nirvana hole of South Africa.

I take it english was not your primary subject. Did you even pass english. I never said nigeria had the highest crime rate in Africa I said it was higher than SA. And I stand by that. The terrorist actions, oil theft, corruption, extra add up.

We are doing something about AIDS there are free ARV's free testing and a massive awareness campaign. The HIV/AIDS rate is decreasing and those infected can live a full life.

Guatrain, new power plants, improvements at all Air ports and harbors, rapid increase in the economy, MTN, should I go on.


What do you mean. Lots of progress has happened in africa.

What do you mean by crime. Crime by people or the nation.

all4naija: Whatever! It still hasn't changed anything that South Africa has the highest rate of crimes and HIV/AIDS in the continent.

I would only like to debate with you if you are going to play it with me on a level field. I don't like the hypocritical undertone in your comment.

You miss informed. SA has the highest number of people living with HIV/AIDS but there countries with higher HIV/AIDS rates but a smaller population. Has for crime it is a problem yes but we not nearly the highest in Africa. Nigeria has a higher crime rate (including corruption). And we at least know the problem and admit we have them. And we are trying to fix them.

And my statement that you can not blame white people is true. Yes they may of caused a lot of your problems but what have you done to fix them. If the black people of south africa had gone and blamed the whites for there problems (and we are the cause I admit it) we would be just like zim. But instead of playing the blame game they tried to fix the problems. Now who was the lazy stupid people. The guy who blames every one els or the one who decided to fix a problem even if he did not cause it.

all4naija: Whatever! It still hasn't changed anything that South Africa has the highest rate of crimes and HIV/AIDS in the continent.

I would only like to debate with you if you are going to play it with me on a level field. I don't like the hypocritical undertone in your comment.

You miss informed. SA has the highest number of people living with HIV/AIDS but there countries with higher HIV/AIDS rates but a smaller population. Has for crime it is a problem yes but we not nearly the highest in Africa. Nigeria has a higher crime rate (including corruption). And we at least know the problem and admit we have them. And we are trying to fix them.

And my statement that you can not blame white people is true. Yes they may of caused a lot of your problems but what have you done to fix them. If the black people of south africa had gone and blamed the whites for there problems (and we are the cause I admit it) we would be just like zim. But instead of playing the blame game they tried to fix the problems. Now who was the lazy stupid people. The guy who blames every one els or the one who decided to fix a problem even if he did not cause it.

all4naija: Whatever! It still hasn't changed anything that South Africa has the highest rate of crimes and HIV/AIDS in the continent.

I would only like to debate with you if you are going to play it with me on a level field. I don't like the hypocritical undertone in your comment.

You miss informed. SA has the highest number of people living with HIV/AIDS but there countries with higher HIV/AIDS rates but a smaller population. Has for crime it is a problem yes but we not nearly the highest in Africa. Nigeria has a higher crime rate (including corruption). And we at least know the problem and admit we have them. And we are trying to fix them.

And my statement that you can not blame white people is true. Yes they may of caused a lot of your problems but what have you done to fix them. If the black people of south africa had gone and blamed the whites for there problems (and we are the cause I admit it) we would be just like zim. But instead of playing the blame game they tried to fix the problems. Now who was the lazy stupid people. The guy who blames every one els or the one who decided to fix a problem even if he did not cause it.

GenBuhari: It is amazing how white people suddenly have concerns for Africans' plight and lives when it suits them, to use it to demonise an African hero.

I did not demonise a african hero a showed you the true nature of a man. And it has nothing to with skin color and more to do with distance and geopolitics. Most whites don't care about Africa because it dose not effect them. Since I am a south african what happens in Africa effects me a great deal.

GenBuhari: ^How did you come to be on a Nigerian forum?

Just wondering

Why you talking about my country on your forum. I came here because there are a threads about south africa I generally stay out of your threads that are dealing with internal matters.

PhysicsQED: Fixed.

That won't fix nigeria because there won't be a Nigeria. And no region could ever hope to be has strong alone has what the whole could have been.



Strength in Unity.

I would like to add that the current black run south africa is actually wealthier than the apartheid regime. Nigeria is so far behind because they not united every other thread is about breaking up and civil war. They actually not the giant of africa more a tall deck of cards. Until they unite they can not improve. And before you call me a racist I got my facts from the ISS who have a lot of intellectuals from Nigeria. You know Nigeria is one of the countries on a list that is likely to fall in to civil war. You one of the most imported nations in africa but some really smart people fear you may destroy your self. And you can not blame white people for this it is all you.

I don't get Somalia. They life in the past. Talking about slaves, how the used to rule how they where the best. Who cares about that. If somlia had to disappear right now people would morn the loss of the AID workers more than the the Somalia its self. The country is like a leach draining blood but giving nothing in return.

Never got the help part. You all ways mention it and I ask how you helped us. What did you do that was so big. I mean if you did not help would they have failed. I doubt it. They did not need your help. But your brothers back home need our help.

You really just said that. You do know in our eyes you black has while.

warya123: is this coming from a white person? seriously u need to leave this thread.


u are my son...u white people came from my baaaalls. now leave before i pimmp slap u.

Yes this is coming from your rescuers. And no this is a public forum open to all. Any case you should leave you don't know a thing about africa.

Pleas you don't have balls. And come try and love-vendor slap me you really think I fear any one from Somalia your people are weak.