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andrewbaba44:
No be me talk thah england best ever talent o ,e be like na oga iPhone talk that one

Stop letting these stupid people rub off on you. I've never called Foden England's best ever talent. I've said he is England's most talented player of HIS generation and that the team will need to be built around him for England to reignite a culture of winning that came and disappeared in 1966.

If I said "we are all average people getting by" they'll like me because that is relatable. But if I said, I'm an Eagle not a chicken - they'll call me names. Truth is, alot of the dullards here argue by stretching comments out of context because mediocres like everybody to be at their level. They'll rally against anyone who dissociates from the herd because that person is proof that their cowardly way was not the only way to go.

The way you see me argue? I did it for Pep, City, KDB, Rodri, Poch, now Foden but the list is inexhaustive. Pep is a fraud for years now everyone pretends it was always a given how generational he is.
City are inferior to every team for years till the treble and 4-peat. Go through the comments, Arsenal, Bayern, Inter, RM were going to KO City. I defend my team and I'm right...silence from the dumb haters. But should City lose that odd game? Fools start mentioning me.
KDB is inferior to Pogba, Kroos, Bruno etc. Now everyone agrees how generational he is.
Rodri is slow blah blah...to Ballon d'or chants today.
Poch is blah...Potter did better. I came here..told them Poch will finish above 7th. Silence.
Tuchel is better than Pep - it was argued here. Then when Pep won the league again, they still defended Tuchel.
The Foden argument is just another one of the stories you have above. Give it 2 more seasons. You'll be seeing "I'll never respect Pep until he wins without Foden". "Why won't Pep win when he has generational talents like Foden etc".
Una just dey come. Pep was not supposed to win one EPL title. Now he has 6. I told them he will break records. They said he is a fraud. I'm the one who has been proven right today but the fools who have a history of being wrong want to troll me because I said I'd eat my hand if City did not beat Liverpool at the Etihad in 2020. City beat Liverpool 4-0 by the way.

They hate us 'cause they ain't us.
They hate us 'cause they anus.

BlueAngel444:
troll? Noo, you are already a pretty good troll. Build England around Foden you said, isn't that what Southgate did and cost him the euros, ain't you trolling by saying in agreement that only when he played well did England play well. So he was the reason they prayed rubbish 90% of the time.

Saka was a RW but he had more defensively contribution than frauden that u claim was given manmarking duties. Continue o, continue oga troll

He had more defensive contribution than the player sent to mark the player for the best team that is the engine of the team and usually gets the most touches for that team (that usually have the ball)? And you think you have a brain like this ehn?

hensben:
Foden has being playing below par for England since he debut, he didn’t deserve to start ahead of Palmer in the just concluded euro it South Gate knew what he was doing. Argentine coach Benched Martinez for Alvarez in 2022 wc due to poor performance, he didn’t look at his club’s form before doing that. I repeat no sensible coach bench an X factor player like Palmer for underperforming Foden, most media personality and fans massively faulted this, one of the reason he quit his job because the criticism was too much for him. He tried by reaching the final according to England’s standard but that act alone looked like it was purposely being done because it was too obvious Foden was contributing little to nothing in the offensive phase. With Palmer, Kane won’t see the need to falling deep into the midfield all the time. England mostly dominated possession in their games but no attacking bite so it is the Job of the coach to play your best at the time like the way Argentine coach did it with Martinez and Alvarez. Same Palmer that played 43 games for Chelsea last season with 30 plus goals and assist deserve to start, he is not 16 but 22. Yamal, a 17 year old started all games for Spain. It’s all about talent, impact and effectiveness. Foden was supposed to benched so as to see the game from bench which would’ve also help him because he always look lost while playing for England which make him a system player tailor made by pep’s tactics.

Hensben, Foden was the POTY in the same league Palmer wasn't. Foden has won everything that Palmer has and doesn't. I don't know if you pick the time of the day to switch off your brain but Foden has always been judged the better player. It is only stupid people [the same people who kept claiming Klopp was better than Pep for winning less] that claim Palmer somehow proved to be better for helping CFC win nothing.
I'm the one telling you that certain players need to have the team built around them to maximize their outputs. Rooney was not scoring many goals when the team was built around CR7. Palmer was not very productive until Chelsea built around him.
Pep centered the team to maximize Foden's output with KDB and Erling out for significant portions of the season. City still won the league (just like KDB did for City 21/22 season). Yet you claim a player whose maximum output only puts his team in 6th is better than the one who put his team in first. What is wrong with you?
I asked for the Palmer MOTM evidence and I'm getting this for response. You no try at all.

BlueAngel444:
Haaland and KDB out yet they both lead goal and assists for city abi. It means Foden is a complete waste of minutes at city na. Frauden the delivery man, after others have cook finish na delivery be him job abi.

Southgate gave him the assignment because he is useless in attack and FA probably forced him to play him

If I didn't watch Flopden in euros I would still be rating him top10 AM but seeing players like Xavi Simons that someone here was telling me he is better, I finally agree. Frauden is almost 25 and has been hyped since he was a teen only for him to turn to a DAM-defensive attacking midfielder even Oscar that Mou used no bad reach like that.

You are a desperate try-hard but none of your punches are sinking. If the reason he was given that assignment is because he is useless in attack, then you should ask why Southgate was still insisting he must play? You people simply cannot have it both ways. You are insisting England were Foden away from winning yet claiming he was irrelevant at the same time. I know layered thinking is not encouraged in this place but it will be helpful to employ your noodle once in a while.

If we remove Foden's own contributions will City win the league? See what I mean by layered thinking?

hensben:
Bro your football knowledge is wack. The fact that Jude took Maino’s place doesn’t stop him from going forward when they are on counter attack. Palmer started the play by passing to Saka and then Bellingham had to run with them since he is good in that type of advantage. Foden was lost as usual. Spain possessed ball better most times so it is common sense to see England players in their half and not just Foden. Foden was offensively clueless is the point here, everyone saw that except you.

Stop being silly. Palmer scored at the 72nd minute. Nobody is saying players are restricted from bombing forward or taking advanced positions during counter attacks or when they are desperate. There was still plenty of time to play and that same sequence had just transpired shortly before it yielded returns. Foden was not lost. He was playing his position like Stones or Pickford were.

BlueAngel444:
Let me reply you well, who gives a 10 that kind of assignment?

It wasn't given to Manioo and Rice who were midfielders, right. The reason is because Foden was useless in attack. Even Saka that play RWB didn't man mark anyone even Nico and had more input going forward.

You think everyone relies on data, you came here and mentioned one single instance of Bellingham being forward and claimed he played much of the game forward.

You are man marking Rodri when Ruiz is even more deadly at the other end. Wetin D man marking achieve. He failed both as an attacker and as a man-marker. And he failed to form injury so as to leave early that may have been his biggest contribution if he did that.

England's best performance of the tournament coincided with Foden's best game. The logic should tell you how important he could have been if used properly. You are here trying to be this savage troll but you are failing at it - badly.

Forget that nonsense on whoscored and whatnot. Saka was not a RWB. He was a RW who just had to defend because Spain had more of the ball. Lol. Stop reading into the hype. You guys bore me.

BlueAngel444:
your logic is an obvious error na, what nonsense is unadvanced position.

Foden that doesn't defend in city became a defender in England in your eyes, it goes to show you are blind, he only dropped deep to pick up the ball and run forward with it, was dispossessed so many things that he could be called a defensive error.

Your city isn't even built around Foden yet you want England to be built upon sand, well Southgate tried and they sank. Foden is the real reason England lost the euros, he was so useless he made others around him useless. From entering their position like a confused positionless player, to inability to properly pick a pass. I guess passes to moving players isn't a strong point.

People talk about Haaland's drop off, well the difference is Foden and Haaland may have possibly been helping him. Even before the euros there were those who felt city's best player was Rodri not Foden.

You are now telling us that Foden is a CDM abi. will you shut up there, even Bellingham that dropped deep to defend alot of times still had way way more impact that frauden Flopden foden

City built around Foden this last season with Erling and KDB out. He delivered the 4th EPL tile that no other great team had been able to achieve.

And I did not say Foden was a defender or a defensive player. But that Gareth gave him a difficult assignment knowing Spain would have more of the ball and Rodri would have the most of it [for Spain].

The summary is, Foden got the job of Belling the cat. He was dealt a bad hand. I won't expect Messi to score all the goals he scored in history if he was just a winger. Do you agree?

Godstime001:
But still didn't win shii with him. Why must special care be given to Foden? Players like Palmer ,Jude were played anywhere but they turn out fine. I think Hensben is kind of right. Foden is a system player.

They did not win without him. You're yet to see if they'll win with him. Ronaldo was in Brazil's worldcup squad in 1994 but nobody attributes the trophy to him. Foden didn't have an important role.

No Palmer was brought on as an impact player, so England were reacting when he came on which means they were being motivated to attack. They started many games defending.

Jude did not play well. You are either excited by the stats or the hype around the stats. If you believe he played well it is your cup of tea. He did not. The majority agree.

monerozi5590:
I watched the match twice and what you stated here is not correct.

Concerning the goal. Jude received the pass almost deep in his own half with a one touch pass to Palmer, Palmer to Saka. Saka progress the ball further to the side of Spain's box. Jude didn't stop running. He was waiting for the moment and the pass came and he lay it for Palmer.

What's Foden role when England is with the ball? Every team players mark either man to man or shadow marking.

First and foremost, not all teams play man-to-man. Some play zonally and just give the wingers defensive assignments. Emphasis on DEFENSIVE. Yet Southgate set-up to completely defend in the first half so what was an attacking player going to do with a defensive assignment like 'shadow Rodri and make sure he does not receive the ball where he would like to [because you play with him in City]' - all these are my conjectures for what Southgate was thinking, but that was how the players interpreted it. England could not string 3 passes together. The ball was going from Pickford to almost Kane and back to Spain. So what would Foden do to stay engaged? Stay on Rodri.

I don't want to keep going on, especially if I have to keep explaining myself unnecessarily.

BlueAngel444:
Lmao 🤣 so frauden defence is that he played as a DM

😆 😂 😆

I am not defending Foden. If he was England's 10 with the team built around him and he failed, I'd pile on him. Just like I never let the nonsense spoken about Rodri stand when he was played as a CB. That time La Liga fans claimed Rodri was inferior to Busquets as the reason he was being played in an unnatural position. Remember that Spain? Yeah, losing for fun and being lackluster.

They've moved Rodri back to CDM and he is getting ballon d'or chants while Spain look like world beaters.

I even said, if Southgate had no plans to use Foden effectively. He should not be started. I already knew England won't win shii without him because he is currently their best player.

My argument for Foden is, nobody expected Rice and Mainoo to have any stats for not being advanced but then insist Foden must have those stats playing in an unnadvanced position. The logic is not computing.

monerozi5590:
Nah, not true. Jude and Foden were more of double 10 against Spain. Foden (RM) and Jude (LM). When Mainoo was taken off Jude took up Mainoo's position, Foden took up Jude's position on the LM and Palmer took up Foden's position on the RM. That was the changes England did when Palmer was introduced. Go and watch the match again.


That Jude pass wasn't an easy pass. Jude was facing Saka sideways and immediately he received the pass from Saka he had to twist to lay the pass perfectly for Palmer.

Utter nonsense my good friend. Foden was playing the pivot with Declan Rice even if the formation drafted had him appear advanced. That is why it is good to watch games rather than rely on data that always needs some context. Foden was assigned to mark Rodri. Who gives a 10 that type of assignment? Yea, because he was not a 10. Foden played 10 twice. A double 10 against Switzerland and the more advanced 10 against Netherlands.

In the second half against Spain, Foden moved back to LM as Southgate changed formation again. When he took Mainoo off, it was for Palmer. How can you claim Jude was playing Mainoo's position when he is in the box to receive Saka's pass with Watkins in the penalty area as well and Foden on the left. Why do you think Palmer was in that position to kick the ball? Are you claiming Mainoo would have been in that position where Jude was if he was still playing?

You people should be watching the games. Stop relying on isolated data that you cannot interpret.

hensben:
Foden is bad at penalty. He is a system player who might grow and learn how to play without depending on individual talent like Rodri, KDB and Halaand. Palmer was better than Foden last season but the later won epl best because city won the league. If I’m lying go to epl site count how many number of man of the match Foden won for city, Halaand had more number of man of the match than him even when he played less games due to injury.

Hens, I guarantee you, you cannot find a shred of evidence for anything you've said above. Foden missed 1 PK during a shootout with WestHam and that is what you are relying on. That is entirely illogical.

System player that won U17 worldcup for England as their best player?

Needs KDB and Haaland but played 4 and 6 months without both and had 20 G/A before KDB came back. When the season was going on, all I kept reading here was how City missed Gundo and Mahrez, how they had dropped in level and how Arsenal were going to win. Yet City still won the league.

Somehow, the player who was instrumental to City winning is inferior to a player that would still be riding City's bench till date if he was still there. You people are funny when not stupid.

Can you please provide the evidence for this MOTM awards you keep referring to. I've seen ZERO proofs thus far. A new season will soon begin. We are expecting Palmer to push CFC to win the EPL. Unlike you, I expect it of Foden and he will deliver. You will have excuses again. Time will show.

airmark:
We all know Foden's legs are not straight for PK and he won't play ahead of Palmer at Chelsea too.

Eruditor, the amputated debtor.

City dumped Palmer without consequence and Foden enabled City WIN the league. Have shame sometimes.

airmark:
Foden should go and learn how to score Penalties from Palmer. He should blame nobody but himself, for being poor in pk.

Foden's legs no straight for pk.

Blah Blah.

Foden won't take Penalties with Haaland in the team. Same would be the case had Haaland been at Chelsea.
Airhead.

airmark:
Hazard shone at Chelsea and Belgium, which shows that he wasn't made to only ball in a particular system.

Let your overrated Foden do 30+ Goals+assists like Palmer in Epl and stop ghosting in England colours.

You are adding goals + assists like Palmer did not take 9 or 10 penalties.

Foden had 19 non-penalty goals from chances that typically he should only score 10-11 goals from. You are piling on him yet Leao, Mbappé etc shat the bed yet no comments.

I come here for comic relief. The stupidest human beings on earth will be Chelsea fans.

liveLongNprospa:
My brother.
The same jude slander has been generating waves even on twitter.
If you slandered jude during the euros, you'd be a crowd favourite because people felt his pr was too much for him.

It had nothing to do with his game play.
Did jude have the best tournament by his standards, hell no.

But was jude the best English player at the euros, hell yes.
The games you have pointed out for foden, you have not shown us data to back up your claims in those games.
It's the same subjective talk about he is the best.
We all watched the game and there is no way in hell foden was better especially in that Netherlands game.
Don't mistake hustle play for productive play.
There's a difference.
Because of foden, jude was stationed at the left and yet he still delivered an assist even in the final.
So again.
While your opinion is subjective, I come to you with facts backed by data🙏.

Jude was NEVER stationed at the left (most of you here don't know how England played and it shows). Foden was essentially Mainoo and Mainoo was the 10 in the first half. Jude and Mainoo were the double 10s (and that was the role Southgate devised to allow Foden play a little more central than the first few games where he was a left sided midfielder). Jude became a 2nd striker with the new changes made when Palmer came on to replace Mainoo as one of the double 10s. That assist attributed to Jude is an example of a whoscored rating. The goal was ALL Palmer and his technique.

Someone here was calling Jude England's best player against Spain. Typical ratings based analysts that nobody should take seriously. I'm sure you also thought Jude was better than Fabian Ruiz, Rodri and Zubimendi based on whoscored. Buhahahaha.

airmark:
Hazard even in retirement wouldn't do 007 in Euros.

But he went 1 year without scoring?
He was fired by RM.
His tenure there has been regarded as a monumental failure. Is that true?

Meanwhile, peep the last screenshot. When a player can outperfom his xG that way, you make sure such a player is given the ball in those situations since he will win many odd games just like that. Hazard and Declan Rice know better than you.

liveLongNprospa:
That is a user rating.
Users meaning fans chose foden.
It is the same users that picked walker.

You have not yet shown me stats to support your claim that foden was the best player in both games.

He didn't score or even give an assist
He didn't have any key pass.
His defensive contributions was one of the worst probably the only person worse than him was kane (defensive contribution)

All this I can back up with data.
You've still not done that with yours.
Everything is still subjective about your opinion.

If we argue Ronaldo vs Messi, you'd Stat bring data to back up your claim.
But it seems this is all too difficult for you.

Imagine using ratings of fans like you to make my point.

What data did you show me? You showed me a whoscored rating. I told you it was a waste of my time because I could show you other ratings that will contradict exactly what whoscored posted. I did same yet you are crying foul.

For example, whoscored penalizes the receiving player even if the pass was bad. So if Declan Rice overhits a ball to Foden, it will be recorded as a lost possession on Foden not on Declan Rice. Imagine someone telling me that Rice had 100% passing accuracy in a game when I watched him pass the ball wrongly. This is a hypothetical.

Another e.g, Whoscored slaps metrics to players for attempting shots. So a player can have a horrible game, but if he attempted multiple shots, his rating may show 7.1 even though his performance was poor.

Whoscored attributes numbers to "assists" and goals. Saka got an assist for Jude's goal yet the deflection is the only reason the ball got to Jude. Saka will have an added value to his rating even if he was poor in that particular game. Jude needed that clutch goal against Slovakia to be MOTM and have the high rating he did. We all watched the game. You can even scroll to the comments here on NL and you'd see people piling on him and lamenting about how poor he was as a 10.

I do remember you trying to claim he had duels and what not and when I asked if 10's are rated based on duels won and defensive tackles put in, I never got a response. Funny Southgate did not remember all these when he was assigning Foden to mark Rodri.

Rafael Van Der Vaart played for RM. See his opinion on Jude: Majority of the comments under this post re-echoed same. We all have eyes.

Katcall:
Where did you put Owen Hargreaves, Steve Mcmanaman, Teddy Sherigham? You Gen Z lads with your recency bias. Read wide. It will do you no harm

Owen Hargreaves, Steve, Teddy?

I assume they had 6 EPL titles, 1UCL, 2 FA cups, 4 Carabao Cups, 1 Club World Cup, at 24?
EPL Player of the year
PFA player of the year
U17 Golden Ball for England btw.
PFA YPOTY (2 times )

Right?

Foden scored a hattrick against Aston Villa playing as a 10 (that went on to beat Arsenal) and enabled City to win the league.

Remember City went on to win the league.
Foolish people blamed him for not replicating same for England that used him to man mark Rodri.
Foolish people.

Sportsweb:
After bleating like a g.0at, your Foden flopped massively at the euros. He dropped 007.

Even Wasiu an old man delivered one assist to Bruno 😂😂.

Foden flopped and England did not win. Because England need Foden to win. I said so. You disagreed yet here you are trying to explain why England did not win.

Bingo. Keep following me around like my shadow.

Ibime:
A40, your guy not only butchered the flow, he stole all his weak lines from Twitter

That's why I never bothered engaging them. This trended on X at the time of the beef yet it did not matter to the public. That was when I knew the game was rigged.

airmark:
From Foden to Rodri, where is the next stop?

From Foden to Rodri concerning what?

What's up with your Hazard by the way? Is he still playing football?

liveLongNprospa:
Yes that rodri.

Now do you have any evidence or are you going to keep posting subjective quotes.

😁

Dude. Stats can be subjectively interpreted. That's why they require interpretation. If your Smellingham was playing as well as your whoscored was telling you, he would have been in the TOTT, right? I did not even spend more than 5 mins to find this with my first search. LOL.

Sportsweb:
Oga your Foden played in a team that every attacker + Bench warmers contributed to a goal.

Yes, your Foden is one of the reason England didn't win the trophy. Maybe if he has contributed at least one assist or goal, could be enough to help England win it.

Your fraud is a fraud. Simple.

Awww. Wounded another butthurt troll. You've not answered for Trippier and Mainoo who was playing 10 against Spain. Why did you not include them as the attackers?

Smellingham's PR charge at Ballon d'or has ended like I said. If Foden is the reason England did not win, mofo, that's you agreeing he is England's best player.

liveLongNprospa:
Funny how rodri was hooked at half time after getting destroyed by Bellingham and Spain actually scored immediately and went on to win.

It's the same way we thought Pedri was all that important till olmo came in and showed the lack of importance 😁

This Rodri?

drisham:
Android17 address this blasphemy



Foden is England greatest ever talent
If you feel otherwise then you don't know ball

Address what blasphemy? You don't need me to validate your own argument. I can backup anything I've posited. You should be able to do same, right?

Sportsweb:
Keep defending your Man City fraud.

Every starting attacker score or assisted for England including bench boys.

Toney - 2 Assist
Watkins - 1 Goal
Palmer - 2 GA
Saka- 2 GA
Bellingham 4 GA
Kane - 3 Goals.

But it was your James Bond system player Foden that dropped 007

Are you saying England did not win because Foden did not score? I want to see you contradict yourself now.

Don't worry about system player. Rodri was called that too. Then they moved him to DM and Spain became good again. Funny how that happened.

liveLongNprospa:
Choosing the best players can be subjective if there's no performance data to back up that.


What is the evidence you have for your claim that nobody was better than foden in both games?

Are you asking for my own carefully selected links and screen grabs showing Foden highest rated or multiple articles of pundits saying same? Be specific. So you'll see why your screenshots are futile. Remember Kyle Freaking Walker made TOTT with his 4/10 ratings according to many sites in many games. LOL

Olmo this.
Fabian Ruiz that.

See Spain's national team coach telling you who his best player was. Wonder if he checked whoscored rating to decide that.

liveLongNprospa:
This is foden vs the teams.

I can add further details to this if you want

You can add further details to what?

I couldn't care any less about rubbish ratings. Ratings that slaps arbitrary values to different facets many of which don't even make any sense. The other day someone said Foden lost possession 19 times and when I asked how that was possible with 93% passing accuracy, the story changed.

I can bring other useless ratings that will contradict what you have above. I'm sure you've seen them. Don't waste anybody's time. Kyle Walker is in the team of the tournament ffs.