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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 6:32am On Jun 22, 2024
monerozi5590:
Bundesliga player of the season 2022/23 season
Laliga player of the season 2023/24 season
2024. He is in the Balon D'or conversation.

Na person wei good at something, nai people go praise.

The other day, you said Vinicius and Bellingham don't deserve Balon D'or except for PR. Someone then asked you, who then deserves it without PR. You couldn't provide very good answers sir.
It is possible to be undecided about the Balon' dor winner and still be sure it is not a sure-fire Jude or Vini. I know you people on NL preach extremities but it is possible to be in-between.

That said, Bellingham is not a bad footballer. He is very serviceable. A jack of all trades. I only drag him when he is getting undue praise at the expense of better and more selfless players.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 2:45am On Jun 22, 2024
Everyone is entitled to their preference but not their facts. Verbiage is not masking the ignorance. Just learn as technicians talk about their craft.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 1:59am On Jun 22, 2024
Ballzproblemm:
what makes him a fool huh
It is never a crime to say "I don't know".

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 12:31am On Jun 22, 2024
Gotcha.

When Bellingham plays the same way he has always played but without scoring, you lot now blame Southgate.

I think we trivialized it earlier but calling Jude a black Scott McTominay was perfect. There is literally no difference between the 2 except that one plays for RM and their PR machine.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 12:26am On Jun 22, 2024
You got time to educate fools.
grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 1:15am On Jun 19, 2024
raumdeuter:
Pep is not great because his team are being investigated for FFP disclosure that happened mostly before he joined

Ancelotti is great despite his teams Juventus and Milan being found guilty of match fixing Calcicopoli, punished, had points deducted and relegated

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 9:48pm On Jun 18, 2024
raumdeuter:
During the season - Pep just gets superstars and wins. Nothing special there anyone can coach these players to win

After the season - These players are all useless outside Pep. All these players are average Pep is making them play well


Pick a struggle
To those who care for the truth. Arsenal, United have spent more than City in the last few [5] years or so.

Ancelotti coached in Everton - won eff all.

He is great but Pep needs to coach Tranmere Rovers or else he is a fraud.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 11:12pm On Jun 17, 2024
WhoDeyHause:
A selfish player won't have 11 assists especially when he's his team highest goal scorer. I'm sure if we check chances created ice cold still beat foden last season.
A selfish player can have 20 assists when it could have been 40. A selfish player plays for SELF AGGRANDIZEMENT but a team player puts the focus on what the team needs per time.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 10:51pm On Jun 17, 2024
WhoDeyHause:
Egbon you said palmer has always been selfish due to the england midfield arguments and I only replied saying only Watkins had more assists than him in the epl last season despite playing in a poor team under a poor manager abi no be you post this one?
Yes, having more assists =/= being less selfish.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 10:45pm On Jun 17, 2024
WhoDeyHause:
KDB missed almost half of the season. Foden did not.
Good.

So KDB missed almost half the season.

Haaland missed his own.

Yet City still won.

Don't tell me anything about City players being better. How can that be? You are here claiming Palmer is better than the player City voted as their best. It means Foden won more with less quality.

That should not be hard to believe. He has always achieved and won more than Palmer given the same opportunities.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 10:40pm On Jun 17, 2024
WhoDeyHause:
Only Watkins had more assists than him in epl last season. Even your player of the year no reach despite playing in a far better team. We will see foden when Apari leaves.
Watkins therefore is less selfish than KDB since he had more assists abi or that Malaria logic can only be applied in one way?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 10:38pm On Jun 17, 2024
Ballzproblem2:
they want Bellingham to dribble first before they start rating him
Yeah.

You people said someone is a 10 but I'm seeing duels won, tackles put in, no chances created, no progressive forward passes, no defensive splitting passes, how many times did you see him make one attempt to set Harry Kane up?

So if Odegaard or Wirtz played yesterday I should have been checking their duels won and tackles made?
grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 10:31pm On Jun 17, 2024
hensben:
Bellingham as number 10 is not going to help Kane, Palmer got the skill set to pick his attackers with sublime passes which Bellingham lack thereby making Kane to suffer. Bellingham should be 8 and not 10.
Palmer is a selfish player. Always has and always will be.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 10:29pm On Jun 17, 2024
BlueAngel444:
which one is he is not effective as a number 10, did you actually watch yesterday's match or any madrid match at all.

Bellingham would drop deep help defensive make cross field passes. What are you even typing self. Why do you think Trent was able to overlap and create it was because Bellingham would drop deeper to help Rice. Where was Kane that they should pass to. So Bellingham should not enter the box so that u no go get agenda, it's because he did like every 10 would do that England won.

Bellingham passes were to Saka who was the only winger yesterday. How many passes did Trent make to Kane, how many chances did he waste that's when he was actually in the box.
Twaddle.

You guys just type whatever you think regardless of objective facts.

1. Yes I watched the game.
2. Absolute lies about Jude dropping deep to help Rice. Nothing of the sort happened. It was Foden who even dropped deep to help the CBs progress the ball when the ball refused to move forward. Like you don't pass the ball out the back to pass it out. It ought to set you up to arrive at the opposition's box with overloads.

England had ZERO yesterday because they had no number 10. The player playing there scored a header and that was enough to hide him from the role he was to play.

Nobody has said playing the 10 role constrains a player from arriving at the box. Gundogan played 8 and did it for City consistently. It is all about timing and moving the ball - readily and intelligently which Jude did not do ALL game.

You said he was passing to Saka? Save that for the marines. Bellingham had no chances created, never passed the ball forward once. Never made any passes directly to free up his attacker. I'm sure he never knew the attacker could be freed up. Never received the ball to relieve his team off pressure. Never transitioned once. Just side ways and activity forming.

Keep celebrating mediocrity. The results always catch up with performances. We'll be here.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 10:56pm On Jun 16, 2024
WhoDeyHause:
He's getting older it's expected. At this stage of his career he's supposed to be fed more instead of hustling for his goals that's why Southgate has to get this bellingham/palmer/ice cold situation right.
Watkins should also be replacing him since he's younger and more mobile.
I'm not blaming Kane. I'm saying Jude is not an effective 10. Because he arrives in the box and can score headers should not negate this obvious fact. If he was beating the man pressing him, progressing the ball and passing into the channels, Saka and Tripper would have had a lot of joy down the flanks and Foden, Kane, Bellingham himself and Saka would have had a lot of chances to tap in from pull outs.

He was ineffective and he frustrated Kane.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 10:52pm On Jun 16, 2024
Agadinaagwuofe:
I think it has to do with the formation and tactics deployed by Southgate. Kane practically lost out throughout the whole match. The Serbians got better in the second half and England team was at back foot. I wonder what happens when they meet team with more grounded midfielders.
That is why England will not do well. Southgate does not have the Cajones to play his team in its most effective way. So many times in this game, Jude received the ball in a tight space but could neither turn nor progress it. So of course the advanced players suffer but he headed-in a deflected cross so he played well. The team player that was passing to the right player all the time was anonymous because he was not trying to force things.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 10:48pm On Jun 16, 2024
airmark:
You wouldn't know if Vlahovic played well today because you were only watching your useless Foden getting undeserved 90 minutes, waiting for water to come out of his stone.
Blah Blah Blah...You'll always be the black sheep.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 10:04pm On Jun 16, 2024
Agadinaagwuofe:
Frankly he actually show more flashes than Harry kane. He played well today.
I don't know if Vlahovic played well today but I'm surprised nobody is talking about Harry Kane. Yeah, Jude's positioning is making Kane redundant but nobody will pile on him because he takes England's penalties.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 9:35pm On Jun 16, 2024
Realtord43:
Or rather Arnorld should drop then bellingham sit with rice while foden move to 10. He wil be more effective there than the wing.
If the 10 of a team is playing well, the striker would get a lot of chances and his team will generally be playing well. Ticking. Tocking. Not scoring one fortuitous goal.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 9:31pm On Jun 16, 2024
Realtord43:
Kane would have see more of the ball if Foden/Palmer is the middle instead of bellingham.
Very sound comment.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 9:09pm On Jun 05, 2024
steady986:
All this eulogy and you still got the meaning of generational talent wrong. Na wah o grin
Yeah, I forgot to define generational talent as someone who got drafted number 1 or what is the nonsense you posted prior?

Do you know Christian Laettner? He must have been a generational talent you know?

The fab 5 nko? Chris Webber, Jalen Rose? Those are generational talents you know. They were very well-known in high school and college.

Smh
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 9:06pm On Jun 05, 2024
andrewbaba44:
I know it’s a friendly but deschamps needs to play Saliba ahead of upamechanic ,maybe there is an agenda against him

But we will know when the euros start
Saliba and Deschamps don't have a good relationship for whatever reason so I won't be surprised if he does not make the team let alone start.

According to the logic of some of the Arsenal fans. I guess that means Upamecano is better than Saliba or the logic only works when Foden is involved?

Meanwhile, I've not seen anyone tell us that Mbappé was actually 150M + 100M for agency fees and other crap. The logic only works for Haaland.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 2:14am On Jun 05, 2024
larride:
You do remember that United has won a Treble, right?
Yes I do. When would you say that United team's era began?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 2:09am On Jun 05, 2024
popizaino:
League titles no more determinant of better coach again?
You know other managers have more leagues than Conté?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 2:09am On Jun 05, 2024
popizaino:
Certainly not the highest point.
So you basically have no argument because the person you are responding to never said winning the highest points in a season makes a team the best.

I said you have to look at the era of that team and compare it to the era of the other GOAT teams.

What is your own criteria let us see if it will withstand the logic test?
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 2:02am On Jun 05, 2024
Generational talent simply means a talent you would only find in a generation. The only contention we can have is the definition of a generation. Talent should be easy to define. One easy way to spot generational talents though is, the retinue of other players that come after said player modeling their game after him in almost all his essence and basically trying to clone or reproduce him.

That said, MJ is the archetypal generational talent. What is he, 61 today and his name is still on everyone's lips as far as basketball is concerned. Players know that if they can replicate his moves, they'd have a better shot of making it in the NBA. Everyone wants branded shoes, signature dress style, smoking cigars after winning titles, crying with the O'Brian trophy etc. This is apart from his winnings and general charisma.

Steph Curry is a generational talent. He has paved the way for what the NBA calls diminutive players. His pattern of crazy shots from everywhere. The no look quick releases etc. He literally affected the paradigm called basketball and revolutionized the game. If there is no Steph, there is no Caitlin Clark. You can add other names.

Lebron is a generational talent and freak of nature per his athleticism. He superceded expectations people had for him and has records that will last generations. But he is the MJ clone who is trying to find his own way. That's what the Lebumites here are doing a bad job of trying to hide. Lebron is generational especially with respect to dumping teams for the next upstart. He started the player's ownership mentality in terms of their careers and many are beneficiaries of his boldness. He should be given that credit. He studied the game and found how to dominate it the way he met it. MJ and Steph changed things.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 1:30am On Jun 02, 2024
popizaino:
Having the highest points in a league does not make you the best ever. RM once had 18points in group stage of a UCL campaign but ended up not winning it.
So what makes one the best ever?

Notice, I did not say having the most points makes any team the best ever.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 1:29am On Jun 02, 2024
Vischy:
I feel for haaland, l can't believe 19 goals and 6 assist is up for balon d'or conversation.

Football has really falling off....
It is the way they are saying it like it is clear as day that is the most annoying.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 1:29am On Jun 02, 2024
chic2pimp:
The sum aggregate of their performances over the last 3 seasons both in Europe and the league us why I have Vini as number one. He is not just a league merchant. He does it both in the league and Europe.

No one is saying it's the best ever debut season. It is however one of the best ever debut seasons for a just left His teens 20 year old.
This is being said online. Come on.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 1:21am On Jun 02, 2024
popizaino:
How many league titles does Conte have in his few years of coaching?

Probably that makes him the GOAT.
Find out if other people have a better record than Conte.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 12:43am On Jun 02, 2024
raumdeuter:
Not Cuntay again
Not Mourinho again
Not Poch again
Not Klopp again
6 League titles in 30 years.

1 league title every 5 years. The best coach.

Okay.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 12:41am On Jun 02, 2024
popizaino:
Have you wondered why Real Madrid would easily beat Bayern Munich that beat Barcelona easily but get whitewashed by the same Barcelona, who gets easily humiliated by bayern Munich that they beat easily?

Find a logic that interprets this?
And your point is?

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