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Spencervivian: If you are in school and your parents can't keep on paying your school fees and you're in your final year dropping out isn't an option and there this guy that is willing to sponsor you all you have to do is "you know" and you are already sexually active is it wrong

Is it wrong to marry an underage that her parents can't take good care of?

I'm just asking anyway...

wescoboy: The preaching of the word of Faith or the so-called Faith Movement is God's agenda for the hour because everything revolves around it. No faith, No life. No faith, No Christianity.

Rather I'll say No Love, No life. No Truth, No Christianity.

Though the just shall live by faith...

Amongst all the things that the supreme beings were described as (as their personality) ,faith was not one. We know of Love (1 john 4:, Way,Truth and Life (john 14:6), resurrection (john 11:25), bread of life (john 6:35) etc but not faith.

Yes, Heb 11:1 is so true. Same with Heb 11:6 but faith would have it's proper place when viewed in the light of scriptures like Matt 22:37- 40, John 13:35, 1 Cor 13:13, Gal 5:6, 1 Pet 4:8 etc.

@Goshen
PING!!!
Hope you'll be free very soon to come and respond to the questions you posted and the reactions that followed.

okeyxyz: @Obadiah, the way you destroy doctrine, If only you could tackle @logicboy & co in same manner there'd be few or no atheists left on nairaland, or at least they'd demand their own separate section.

Separate section no go work for atheist o. There existence is dependent on the fact that "there is a God"...if you pull them out of the christian section,they won't be in existence anymore. LOL

Make I even go check islam section to go see watin the atheists dem dey do. Abi na only christian God dem dey say no exist

Goshen360: What good question was that? I left you on that thread because I don't have much time\strength for talk then. Even now, I might not have much time but let's start this way to know whether lies (half truth) were contained in Moses' teachings or not which translated to imperfection.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. John 10:8

Question:

1. Who are the ALL that came BEFORE Christ came?
2. Why do Christ called ALL of them THIEVES AND ROBBERS?

An answer to these two questions from scriptures will continue the discourse. Please don't give me too much philosophy to answer these questions o . Please answer #1 & #2 with scriptural reference please.

Here,we have two to compare (moses' and jesus' covenant). If the new (Jesus) said "ALL...",how can it be implied that the second (Moses) which is the old and singular is being refered to as "ALL..."?

Goshen360: Well, I'm lost in this thread due to time and how busy I am now. Anyway, even the title of the OP says the way of mosaic law is different from the way of Grace and truth. How do I mean? The conjunction "BUT" shows a contrast and\or negative\opposite statement.

The law was given by Moses BUT Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Law and Grace\truth don't mix. Mark 2:22

So,there was no truth in moses? Na so so lie and deception full the covenant? Abi watin the text dey try talk sef?

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obadiah777: JEREMIAH 31 VS 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. <<< NEW COVENANT.

1)...And when and where do you think this new covenant will be established,practiced and fulfilled? HEAVEN

2) So,what on earth did Jesus achieve by his blood? *signified by the breaking of break and the cup of wine shared with his disciples*

obadiah777: EXODUS 24 VS 7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words. <<< OLD COVENANT

GRACE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NEW COVENANT. GRACE IS THE ELECT GETTING RELEASED FROM THE OLD COVENANT AND BEING KEPT IN LIMBO TILL THE NEW COVENANT KICKS IN IN THE KINGDOM. SO WHILE THE ELECT ARE NOW ABOVE THE LAW, YET THE CORRUPTIBLE HAS NOT YET INHERITED INCORRUPTION. SO THEY ARE STUCK BETWEEN THE OLD AND NEW COVENANT. THATS WHY PAUL WAS STRUGGLING WITH SIN. HE HADNT INHERITED INCORRUPTION. THOUGH HE IS NOW ABOVE THE LAW.

Incorruption and immortality is just a reward for keeping the new covenant and the tenets of the laws attached to it.

The "laws" attached to it are the subjects of debate in many previous threads whether it be the ones from the old testament books (refered to as the laws of moses) or another set from the new testament writings or a mix of both laws.

Zikkyy: My thinking is that if it was applicable to all men at the time including the Egyptians that enslaved the Israelites, i believe they should be co-beneficiaries. abi? what do you think?

Don't you think the mix multitude that left egypt was a SIGN that it was applicable to not just the Israelites

Nice thread (purpose). While we are learning about our difference,let us be fair and civil,not forming self assurance of our own view only for the true ones will still come together in the unity of faith...(Eph 4:13)

@Ihedinobi
The ship wreck is a good analogy too back up your point also *the held on to different parts of the ship but they were all saved* (acts 27:41-44).

*still waiting on more posts)

2buff: And are you the one having the mercy?
You don't know, which is why you should not assume.

I am not the one having mercy and I believe you know that i am refering to a scripture which was even quoted by a new testament minister

For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
Rom 9:15

It is you that should rather not assume; pointing to "how Solomon ended"...

If you are not clear,refer to your original post that I quoted and responded to first.

christemmbassey: the gospel is not what a man believes but what God has done for us tro Jesus and Christ enjoined every christian to preach it and not some men/women. Bless you.

While your response to my posts are making sense when isolated from my posts,you are going off course the points of my post.

I didn't ask anyone to discuss any person but the gospel the people preach and I never said they (popular preachers) alone were commissioned to preach (this is what I perceive from your post above. Pardon me if I am wrong)

You may wish to stop quoting apostle paul's letters then and preach your own gospel if referring to those preacher's expository of the scripture means discussing the preachers themselves. That will also mean quoting any epistle equals discussing the writer.

What I said was "Maybe if the (gospel of grace) message is being heard from another source (other than sources from this forum and thread) ,it might be easily understood.

christemmbassey: i prefer to talk about Jesus and his gospel instead of man.

Read again sir, I never said that you should talk about any man.

I said "their ministration (teachings and beliefs) is
worth talking about."

Thanks.

@Pastorkun,Christembassy,Goshen

I believe it is the desire of Our lord Jesus christ that we should know truth;wholly about the gospel of grace because in it is the fullness of life abundance that He promised.

I think Joseph Prince threads the path (I still listened to him this morning). There are some other ministers too--even in Nigeria here so their ministration (teachings and beliefs) is worth talking about.

I am so sure that no one can argue concretely otherwise that this is the dispensation of grace.

What I see here is the variation in the understanding of "grace".

@goshen,@shdemidemi
I suggest you name popular ministers that teach rightly about this "grace" that you try to show us. Maybe if the message is being heard from another source,it might be easily understood.

Cheers.

Ihedinobi: Ah, I see where the trouble may be. For you, for that passage to be for Christians, they have to be under it but for me, the Christian need not be under or subject to it for it to be for them.

If your reasoning were correct, the very Bible would be useless to Christians because Christians are actually subject to no law at all. The Law of Love, you will find, does not operate by obligation and Paul himself described our liberty thus:

all things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

And our Lord Himself confirmed it when He said that to give His Life and take it back was entirely His choice to make, He was subject to no obligation in doing what was right and the Father's desire.

So, we who are His flesh and His bones are not subject to any ordinance either and may proceed to do away with the Bible altogether per your reasoning. After all, what use is instruction to a man not beneath it or correction to a man who is not beneath it?

My brother, the Scriptures stand together and fall together. You can't break one and the rest remain viable to you.

Again, there is no confusion in saying that a man is not subject to the law and yet the law is meant for him. If the man's very nature is the law, then the law serves to teach him who and what he is and how to fully utilize his potentials. Isn't that why we have education for our kids? Are they under some commandment to behave like humans? Do we not educate them in order to explain to them what they are and help them know what is in or out of character for them, what potentials they have and how to take full advantage of such potentials? Why should the law be any different?

True. Great analysis.

"My brother, the Scriptures stand together and fall together. You can't break one and the rest remain viable to you."

The above statement is true. Reminds me of a picture posted by (I guess OLAADEGBU--i hope I am correct ) where the new testament(cross) was uprooted from genesis. Really, though a shadow is in no way compared with the object however,it is an expression of the image.

@all: I hope we find a tangent soon.

Bidam: Yeah the truth always hurt..Some of the rankest errors taught by many present-day professing believers, have their sole source and support in these Epistles of Paul. So powerfully, in fact, do the four Gospels and the book of Acts contradict certain diabolical interpretations of the letters of Paul, that a number of these schools of Paulinism have relegated all books of the Bible, except these epistles, to the (for them) unacceptable realms of the Jew.

Now consider this: what foundation would the following apostate teachings have, if the epistles of Paul were removed from our Bibles? "The postponement theory"; "The new gospel of Grace"; the idea of "once saved always saved"; "Baptism for the dead"; Disrespect for the ten Commandments; the so-called "Free Love" movement; Hatred for the Law and the Customs of God; etc.

These are questions that truly deserve some answers. Anyways,I'm still reading on. I hope these questions have been answered.

2buff: Don't assume everyone on your list there made it to heaven.
E.g, I know Solomon started well....not sure how he ended...

...And for example,how does "how solomon ended" affects his being in heaven

Just asking though. I though it is not by works and the scripture says "I'll have mercy on whom I will have mercy on"

Good Girl: Blame it on Nairaland and Nollywood. Not that other women do not think about marriage, but they tend to handle being single a little better than Nigerian women. Again, my source is Nairaland and Nollywood. The reality on the ground may be different.

---i love your sincerity. These are typical sources of counsel for our naija babes una come say make we ladies no talk "bla bla bla" for this thread.

Since the shift from the mills and booms,NL and Nollywood family value things don enter voice mail.
*not saying mills and booms na better source o* don't quote me abeg.

yusuf01: Though lots of people don't like MTN's network (myself inclusive) but lots will port just because of this ad.

I bet they won't port. It's will be more like waiting for your cat to bark. If the commercials won't boost my BB network, I'll watch it over and over again on TV but I ain't gan port to any bad network cos of a commercial character. I'm wiser than that--and you never said you'll port either.

We want value for our money. Na SAKA stunt gonna work on me. Start counting...You,Me

HotNaijaBabe: Lol.. No one is pulling a SAKA on me oh, I am not porting to Empty Hen..lai lai...loool

[quote author=Okija_juju]Life is a real biatch!!

R.I.P babies! I guess God didnt want you three to survive![/quote]I'll rather God wants us to pay more attention to our love and concern about one another.

I know if it was an issue that'll have allowed more time,even if it's in 6 digits, NLders would have raised a lot. 4,000 for 3 lives...bad enough for the people directly involved.

[quote author=Subomi-luv]i suggest if u do not get a nice guy falling under the 2% you should get an oyinbo,they have no problems with doing their part, equaality etc. Best of luck to you.[/quote]OP didn't say black men. She said men. So,oyinbo men inclusive.
Moreover,their ladies face their own version of marriage issue. Na aggregate economic condition dey cover up for them o. E no easy to be single mum (ask them). That's why many of them go into series of marriages.

ayobase: Looks like joke, but DEEPLY not.
Fact that needs to be puzzled on!

Babcock school fees=3million......Ranking 60th .....Unilorin school fees =13k...Ranking 2nd..Parents, how wise is ur investment? Are u sleeping on a bicycle.

Someone is still gonna come on here to say privates are better than publics in terms of strike, equipment, infrastructure and the likes......

Hmmmm, I thought the bigger and well established a school is, the less concerned about the money!

I'm still waiting on Afe Babalola, though learnt about the prizes they dished out weeks back!

Awesome, but there is something about the prizing I don't get.

5 CGPA for like N500,000 while 4.5 goes for just N70,000

See analysis o. Kai aboki,you dey make sense.

JeSoul: Ehm...I'm not a "Bible Teacher or Interpreter" oh...

but here's a piece that I fully support. This is simply a case of one word "fool" meaning two different things in two different times/cultures/context.

Makes a lota sense.

Female OP, male dominated relies.

Mehnnn, allow other females to respond to this thread abeg.

Can't tell from the statistics of reply in this thread whether every female reader agrees with OP or she's just speaking for herself.

honeric01: 70% of men likely never going to marry if given thr chance and if free sex is not frown upon by the society.

Na wa o. Hard truth.

@OP
These are truths that sustains and encourage to endure. So that we can be able to look through the suffering and never getting angry or weary enough to give up on God.

Chastening is a result of erring and not a discipline (as in training). Remind our brethren that He (God) still wants us back no matter how far we have gone (Hosea's story is still a sample of assurance: the redeeming love).

There's still hope for the living no matter how far we have gone astray and as far as christ still seats in the heaven, He liveth to make intercession...

"If you put the brethren in remembrance of these things,thou shall be a good minister of (the grace) of Jesus christ..."

ApostlePat: i have been reading comments here since the beginning of this thread goshen was called out and finding it very hard to accept what he is saying thought and undesrand clearly his claer far different view from okeyxyx's view. okeyxyx view sounds more like or is actually a pervertion against the new man of believer in christ because a new in christ carries a new nature. All be it, your comment above is the most senseless of all comments here ever made. goshen said what he said based on his understanding. does that mean he is right or wrong? does that mean people should starting doing what he said? does that mean you should do follow-follow as you may do follow-follow to your pastor? when goshen said what he said and against self-service, doesn't that tell your unthinking head that self-service is UNNATURAL way of having sex? Did god created sex bewtween yourself and yourself?

goshen, liek i said before, the ONLY error you have is casting your words before some weak christians especially on a public forum. it is not what you believe but you believe by what you know and from your knowledge, you dont see fornication as what you claerly spell out but another doesn't see it that way.therefore, get yourself out of your knowledge especially where it might become a stumbling block to weak christians esp. on forum and www like this.

I don't expect less from you. A servant is not greater than his master.

"Correcting" a person by doing what you accuse him/her of.

By the way,I didn't know that "truth" is whatever we say it is as individual.

If sex between "yourself and yourself" is masturbation,why then do you prosecutors refer to Onan's move (gen 38:9) as a bases for condemning masturbation? Obviously he was not having the "yourself and yourself" se.x

You need to find out how many animals (by nature) practice homosexuality and masturbation. If you think such perversion is merely among humans. www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

...and of course,GOSHEN's stand is not meant to be practiced it is just a scholastic GREEK/HEBREW text exercise (how bizarre an opinion to be expressed by you. Again,I'm not surprised)

I tire for this thread abeg.

I no know how e dey for some people to reason say "masturbation" na sin and them no think say having se.x with a spouse-to-be is fornication; tryna show us some greek/hebrew text.

Straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. Mtchewww.

Abeg, make una close this thread make everybody hold on to their belief.

Too much false teachings and error messages posted already.

ATTN: GOSHEN and disciples

Abeg,no greek/hebrew debate for this thread o. I wan learn something.

*sits at a corner with a glass of water and my kjv*

Reality would become tradition over time (of it being practiced). There would be no problem if the tradition held on to is the truth--the unfailing truth.

seunajia: We had the tapes then.

Nice one but what do you mean by the statement quoted above? Who are the "we"

Are the series on the internet or where can they be gotten?