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Missy89:Can You pls give us the bases of your uncle ,Erdogan's interest in Syria? Am waiting. |
Thanks for the summon. Two things are necessary to understand a nation’s strategy. The first is to view the world through the eyes of that nation… to know what it hopes for and fears. The second is to understand that the nation’s leader is far from a free agent. He (or she) became the leader by making endless political and financial deals along the way, and he remains the leader only to the extent that he satisfies others. There are also constraints and imperatives surrounding the leader that shape his actions. Some derive from internal politics, but the most important have to do with power, or the lack of it. In order to deal with an adversary, or to crush him, understanding the world from his point of view is essential. People tend to personalize power. We believe that the leader makes decisions as he wishes. When he does what we want him to do, he is wise and decent. When he thwarts our plans, he is a fool and a monster. This makes the world a simpler place… but also a fantasy land. It imagines that someone rules a country of millions alone and by his own whimsical neurosis. We see that personalization when people talk about Russia. Many in the west have long been propagandized to see things from a steroetype perspective, particularly relating to Russia, vis-a-vis America's might and that of other European powers. To alot of these folks, since Russia, especially after the collapse of the Soviet Union, is not economically vibrant like most of its compatriots in the west, it therefore has no teeth, and as such, cannot bite. This is the erroneous view held by many accross the west, even surprisingly among them that ought to have known better. Talking about military personals and strategic planners. By equating economic variables such as military spendings with capability, the ground for the misleading views regarding Russia's capability and ability to project power beyond the confines of its borders, was laid. And so, when the moments came, the western military and strategic pundits were caught staring into outer space, (possibly looking for Aliens to explain what they thought only happen in the movies.) For they have so much be indoctrinated to believe that Russia cannot project power outside its borders. That the Russian army is not better than the one that fought world war 2. That Russia's technology is nothing other than screws and spanners. Since Russia doesn't readily have gigantic carriers like the United States of Anarchy, it is therefore no match for the other major powers. But they have forgotten history. They have forgotten that Russian has fought many wars and lost very little. They have forgotten that when the Soviet Union imploded, it didn't implode along with the technological and military know-how of the Russian Bear, standing tall at the centre. But then, that's how propaganda and hollywitch zombiefication works. They have badly miscalculated Russia's capability and tenancity to react, in the face of NATO's provocasions and US meddling seeking to undermine Russia's interest in the Balkans and the East at large; and so decided to further poke the Bear. But when that Sleeping Bear awoke, the self classified western exceptionalists were stunned like one waking out of a sick dream! They should have seen it in Georgia, but then, they argue that Georgia was just next door, and thats why the Russians had an easy ride. But the lightning speed of the Red army in the Crimean bloodless victroy, caught the western zombies stuttering. And the rapid deployment to Syria, coupled with the Russian show of previously unknown capabilites that renders large vessels useless, was the T.B Joshua-like anointing that jolted the west from itself bewitched delusional indoctrination. And for the first time in decades, the west is learning to tell the truth. Even some of it's 'ministries of truth' like BBSin, are not been left out. It is not too surprising to hear Obama confessing to the contrary, because, he appears to be very ill informed regarding Russia and the MidEast. Chavez could be right afterall: ''Obama is just a puppet in the White House.'' So, he can be forgiven. But when you hear top US military Generals publicly confessing their awe and disbelief regardin Russia's military sophistication, that should tell you that propaganda is a major threat to US security. Because, if you know little or nothing about the enemy, your chances of success against him is almost at zero, or one that would be base on sheer luck. The west hav so much failed to note that Russia would ONLY get involve in matters that directly threatens it's national and economic interest, like in Georgia, Ukraine, and now Syria. And when it does, there is no relenting. Unlike d US that is seen in every conflict with no clear-cut goal. They also failed to note that Russia operates under two principles. 1. The principle of ''Under reporting'' and, 2. The principle of utmost secrecy. These dictate Russia's capability. |
No matter how thick the forest is, it can never hide its surface from the drop of the raining storm. What is happening now over in Syria, is a testimony to the fact that, no matter how deep and sophisticated Daesh is in fundings, man-power, and in operations, they will never prevail, though it tarries. It's tentacles will be cut off, and it shall cease to exist sooner than we think. I can still recall when Russia started it's airstrikes, the testimonies of some of the locals was remarkable: '' it is the damn Russians,'' the bombs sounds different,'' and the planes are Faster''. Many of the locals actually said that. This is not hollywood. THIS IS THE RED ARMY whose place in history is well documented, and will forever be respected. This is RUSSIA, grandmaster of geopolitics, making it's mark clear, and its presence felt. Thats why you now have Turkey talking like an slowpoke. Thats why you heard of Satan Arabia, UAE, (together with their father in crime-the United States of aAtrocities,) threatening ground troops deployment. They have so miscalculated the Russia's commitment and resolve regarding Syria (and Ukraine,) and now, they are shocked and totally confused, especially now that Russia have declared it's airstrikes and operations will not be affected by any form of ceasefire agreement whatsoever. They thought she would get bogged down in Syria, but who is getting bogged down now? They simply can't comprehend the matchless WILL of the Russians to survive and to thrive, even in the midst of the most difficult of challenges; and Kadyrov, a sound, patriotic nationalist, is the hallmark of the Will that resides in the average Russian. No wonder some Americans think they are Aliens living as humans! Fear Russia. |
Souljaboi1:It is you that said it, not me. But you need to know too that it was also one of the major reason a certain prime minister lost his job. So, you may be right. ![]() i pity the innocent American taxpayer. |
fineguy11:Exactly my point! Something tells me the iidiots would rather risk war with Russia. Brother, dangerous times ahead. |
Missy89:cause i don't want us to derail the thread unnecessarily. Maybe you should open a thread in respect of that, then we can argue freely. |
Missy89:realy? Now that the man has spoken the truth, he becomes a war criminal and not credible? Okay o. |
Missy89:Blood of goat! The same Assad that conducted and won an election, even in the midst of war? A ''rump state'' (courtsey of the United States of Atrocities) yet mentains bilateral and diplomatic missions world wide, can wage war with a state army and state resources, and able to invite other states and non state actors to battle for the soul of his country, and is globally addressed as President Bashr Al Assad! Tell me O Missy! What is a state and a government? Marry them to legitimacy, then go into your inner chambers, take up a mirror and look into your second personality. Your smile can be deceptive, but your eyes aren't. There lies your answer - your eyes will always bare you witness, and in this case, you have been found wanting-a possessor of a saving basket full of western derogatory propaganda, galloping accross the world wide web like an elephant flapping fans of lies! Why? If Assad has no teeth and is illegitimate, why are you negotiating with him in Geneva? Is like your MI5 attachee went off mark in your script acting. Or was it at Langley? ;-) Cause last time i checked, your so-called conspiracy theories are facts acting out themselves. US General westly Clark confession about the US grand plan to invade 7 countries, among which was Iraq - mission accomplished and is being re-accomplish. Then Libya-mission successful, Sudan-we now have two, and currently Syria-a work-in-progress. How about that for conspiracy? B-) Take time o, Missy. |
Missy89:Russia has always been on the right side of the bigger picture that makes up history. The same can not be said for the criminals in Langley, the puppets in the White House, nor for the Satanist in Wall street. First things first. Who do you think are the globalists? Answer me and i shall proceed to unravel the reasons why many today sees him as a last man standing! |
seagulsntrawler:Spot on analysis. I sometimes wonder if some people actually reason with their heads down in their anus or simply being plain stupid. If not, how can someone in his right mind believe that France, Britain, Germany, would go to war with Russia (and possibly with China, Nk, etc,) just because of Turkey, a nation loathed by some of Europe's power houses? And if Germany, Britain, France won't go to war with Russia for Turkey, then wish other nations in the NATO bloc that are ready to risk it, or can afford it in terms of capabilities and man power? The US won't even think about it, let alone attempting it. So, where are the nations? Spain? Poland? Demark, slovakia-nations some of wish ran out of ammos in Libya, to converge against Russia? Well, such is the pitiable state of minds as infected by ''Hollywitch'' medium of zombiefication and wetern trolling brainwasing media propaganda bodies. It is even more pitiable and pathetic when you come accross some of this kids shouting ''Russia is surrounded'', and as such can do nothing. If only they understand the dynamics of Russia's geography, it's military and technological strategy to that effect, or the long history of that enviroment, they would have known that all that glitters is not gold. But like we have said, many are still living in the dark. On Turkey, it is always going to be mission impossible for turkey meat Erdogan. With Russia in the mix, the Turkish dream to carve out a Sunnistan from Syria and Iraq, will always be a fleething illusion. Erdogan has fired an air to air missile against his ultimate interest regarding Syria, and the Russians are living up to their words: '' we will remind them over and over again''. His planes can't fly anymore, his Turkmen are being butchered from the air by Russia, while some of its military aids continue to recieve heavy bombardments. Now that the Syrian army is moving towards the border, it would be game over for Turkey and a major blow to IS once that border side of Syria is sealed. Till then, it will be wrong to say that the last has been heard from sultan Erdogan. On Armenia, I heard that Russia is covertly moving alot of armament into positions. Am yet to dig into it, though. We can only hope that The worst shouldn't come. |
castrogee:I agree with you completely, but as things stand now, if and only if the UAE and the house of Sauds make good their intensions, then Putin and Russia must be prepared for the task ahead. As Syria has promise to treat such deployment as occupied forces, the likelihood of a major escalation of events is in the offing, and should that happens, Russia would definitely be caught in the mix, for which she must defend Syria and her own assets, given the proximity entailing the certainty of a direct showdown between Syrian armed forces, Hezbollah and Iranian troops on one hand, against the Saudi, UAE and would be other troops on the other hand. Putin must be prepared to walk the long road. Is a point of no return. |
seagulsntrawler:All them terrorists apologies and Russian hating trollers down here will be put to shame, and they shall withdraw back into their hasbara shell of hate and shame. Now, the UAE, Satan Arabia are preparing to send in ground troops into Syria for obvious reasons, prompting the Syrian government to issue a strong warning that serious consequencies would follow should that happen. I tell ya, the empire is about opening another front to up the level of hostilities against the Assad regime. Don't think for one second that this nations are doing this out of their own volition, just as Germany nudged on the then Austria-Hungarian axis against Serbia in the debacle that led to WW1 in 1914, (for which Russia mobilized to defend Serbia), the US is nudging this nations to up the scale of violence against Assad, for which Russia is again, bound to defend. Coincidence? History is about repeating itself right before our eyes. Alois lrlmaier's prophecy quickly comes to mind. Believe it or not: the road to WW3 lies in Syria, unless those that governs the cosmic order thinks otherwise. We are in for a long walk in the Middle East! |
Amoto94:What a touching piece of crap! You are fighting terrorism when you are the largest source of funds for sunnis islamic terrorism world wide. Every dick and harry knew that donors in Satan Arabia constitute the largest source of funds, in cash and kind, to all forms of islamic terrorism, including IS and Al Qaeda. We also know that Saudi Wahhabbism is the fountainhead of islamic terrorism and radicalism. So, this foreign minister of lies can tell that crap to his zombies, we are not one of them. A nation that is sponsoring sheer terror and destruction within the territorial integrity of another nation, just because the leader of that country refused to play along with their dirty game, can not be said to be fighting terrorism. And now that they have hinted at committing ground troops to the battle in Syria, where all their proxies and their assets have been smashed continually by the Russian back Syrian government; the true face of its cloaked motives - the pipeline war - will come to the surface soon, provided they live up to their words and deploy ground troops into Syria. It is becoming more certain that they can't continue the ruse game all through. They will surely expose themselves at one point, just like Turkey and its meat Erdogan did and the whole world now knows her as a major sponsorer of ISIS. Saudi's own is just right at the corner. ''Thy kingdom come''! They always come. Just that she might not be lucky like her aforementioned partner in crime. God help the MidEast! |
Akathriel: my ribs oo :-D :-D |
cyprus000:Am cool man. Just busy a bit. |
cyprus000:You just cathegorically summed up the Syrian bruhaha as it relate to the Russian position regarding Assad. You have said it all. |
NairaMinted:Yeah. There is no sense in it at all. Not after the airbus plane crash in Egypt, the Su24 downing, the whole submarine and cruise missile military might showpiece...nah, they can't ask Assad to leave. The story is nothing but a derogatory piece of poo. If they weren't making progress, then one can it's possible. But you only need to see how the Syrian forces are winning back territories in succession. How can anyone now ask Assad to leave? It doesn't make sense at all. |
ValerianSteel:I think you are right. I will stop doing that. Thanks |
fineguy11:spot on, soulja! |
Zoharariel:Do not be troubled, soulja. There are so many things at stake for Russia to loose Assad. That was the reason they got involved at the first place - keep Assad and derail the Saudi, Qatari, US backed pipeline that must pass through Syria for it to be fruitful. Once that pipeline succeed, Russia would be done for, as it gas leverage would be greatly affected. Even if Russia has reached some compromise elsewhere, Iran would never allow Assad to fall just like that. So, as you can see, alot of interest are at stake, and so relies on Assad staying on. Putin can never ask Assad to leave. There is no sense in it. And besides, it would be interpreted as victory for the hegemon and for its terrorists, ISIS, and of course, for Turkey meat ErDangered. Putin is not that foolish. So relax. |
Missy89:That your history book must be wonderful,.,. ![]() Honestly, am still struggling to lay my hands on a primary documents signed by the two prior to world war 1, and i will do that as soon as i get one. (i hope you never remove am? Cause i don't trust that your uncle, Erdogan and that your Langley collaborators, ) ;-)Not withstanding, there are express and implied terms under the law of contracts and treaties, and as such, Russia was always bound to defend Serbia, and the Kuchuk Kunaiji's treaty has everything to do with it. Apart from the fact that Russia was the only independent slavic nation as at that time, and sees itself as the sole protector of the Slavic world, the Kuchuk treaty was the legal sanctity and framework that embodies the Russian resolve, based on mutual, cultural, moral and strategic objectives (with warm water ports in mind), to undertake and to defend the Orthodox christianity, which is the hallmark of the slavic world that makes up a majority of the Balkans, the centre piece of Russia's sphere of interest and influence base on its foreign policy. The Adrianoble treaty, following the 1828-1829 successful campaign, further binds Russia to the task of defending Serbia and co, as it forced the sultan to grant Serbia autonomy under Russian protection, affirm Greek independence, and acquiesce to Russian occupation of Moldavia and Wallachia, the core entities of the future independent Romania. This was later reenforced by the treaty of Berlin which recognized the de jure independence of Serbia that Russia previously fought for inter alia with the Ottoman empire. As can be seen from the implied or expressed terms of such treaties, Russian was always duty bound to defend Serbia. Again, you continue to make much ado about Russian mobilization, even as thou continue to overlook the long chain of causal relativism that was in motion prior to the war, just as you tacitly continue to dogde the facts that A-H, nudged on by Germany, was always poised for war with Serbia for glaring reasons. They never meant peace, even when two months passed before august, in which they deliberately rejected all offers for peace presented. It was never Russia's fault. Russia did not mobilized ahead of Serbia which, after making its position known on the ultimatum issued by A-H, began partial readiness before Russia did the same, and this happened after Austria-Hungary severe all ties with Serbia. Full mobilization followed only after war was declared on Serbia, and Belgrade was shelled. It was exactly what the Germans and A-H wanted. It is only a revisionist and a russophobe that would put the blame on Russia. I trust you are none. These should help. http://acienciala.faculty.ku.edu/hist557/lect10.htm http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/firstworldwar/index-1914.html https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Serbia_relations?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C6699106441 http://www.portalus.ru/modules/english_russia/print.php?subaction=showfull&id=1188906900&archive=&start_from=&ucat=9& |
Missy89:Hmm. Russia, like every other nation, had its ups and downs, but there is no denying the fact that, it has always been guided by the sole objective of defending the pan-Slavic race, even though she had her own problems with them. The seeds of this sentimental objectives were sown by Catherine the Great in the eighteenth century. In 1774 Catherine's military success brought about the Treaty of Kuchuk Kainardji, (of which Serbia is chief,) which gave Russia the right to defend all Orthodox Christians in the Ottoman Empire. Russia thus became the dominant power in the Black Sea, the supreme champion of Eastern Christians, and the main opponent of the Ottoman Empire. Concerns about the welfare of the Orthodox Christians in the Ottoman Empire would continue to be a driving force in Russian foreign relations, providing the justification for Russian declarations of war in 1788, 1806, 1828, 1853, and 1877. Even the Austria-Hungarian axis knew that once they attack Serbia, Russia would definitly enter the frail. Why? Cause they knew that Russia is duty bound to defend Serbia, and that was why they sought Germany's commitment to also come to their aid, in line with the Austria-Hungarian-German treaty signed in 1879 and renewable every 5years, should the unthinkable happens. There are also many treaties or obligations ranges over 70 signed with Serbia that binds Russia on many fronts. Saying that Russia engaged in all of those wars out of emotions, instead of objectives, is purely unfair, derogatory, and i must say, an epitome of western Russian hating propaganda. Again, you are trying to make it look like Russia was the cause or the one that escalated the war by mobilization, without taken certain circumstances into perspective. Like i said before, alliance formations and prevailing imperialism have already created the recipes for a large scale war. The German war planners in 1879 drew a a plan that envisages a two-front war that seek first attacking France and then Russia. This was later replaced in 1905 by the Schlieffen plan which seek to attack Belgium then France, while Austria-Hungary takes care of the Russian front. You can bet by this time, the others are watching. So, when the Sarajevo murder took place, the long nursed hatred and antipathy has found a way to come to the surface. The Austria-Hungarian directives to Serbia, supported by Germany, was clouded with alot of unacceptable demands and conditions, which was only a deliberate attempt made to pave the way for a ''limited'' war with Serbia. Serbia, sensing the tensions began partial mobilization, after it's plea to settle the dispute by arbitration, and even seconded by Britain, agreed to by France and Russia, was rejected by A-H and Germany. Russia never mobilized ahead of Serbia. The Russian early mobilization was only as a precausionary measure, knowing that late deployment would be catastrophic - lessons learnt from the Crimea, Japs wars. Even France had to mobilize in time, after the army convinced the government that each delay in earlier partial mobilization would result in 21 kilometers loss of territory to Germany, after the later declared war on Russia and Serbia. Russia and Serbia neither attacked first. Russia only began full mobilization after Serbia was attacked by Austrian warships. So, Russian was always bound to defend Serbia, and it never wanted or escalated the war. Germany did. |
Missy89:Missy, your 2nd name is bias. You have so much negated the circumstances surrounding the events that led to the great war of 1914, instead, chosing to highjack the Perspective of the Russian mobilization.The explosive that was World War One had been long in the stockpiling; the spark was the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne, in Sarajevo on 28 June 1914. Ferdinand's death at the hands of the Black Hand, a Serbian nationalist secret society, set in train a mindlessly mechanical series of events that culminated in the world's first global war. 3weeks later, Austria-Hungary's Reacted to the death of their heir, by arguing that the Serbian government was implicated in the machinations of the Black Hand, the Austro-Hungarians opted to take the opportunity to stamp its authority upon the Serbians, crushing the nationalist movement there and cementing Austria-Hungary's influence in the Balkans. It did so by issuing an ultimatum to Serbia which, in the extent of its demand that the assassins be brought to justice, effectively nullified Serbia's sovereignty. Sir Edward Grey, the British Foreign Secretary, was moved to comment that he had "never before seen one State address to another independent State a document of so formidable a character." Austria-Hungary's expectation was that Serbia would reject the remarkably severe terms of the ultimatum, thereby giving her a pretext for launching a limited war against Serbia. However, Serbia had long had Slavic ties with Russia, an altogether different proposition for Austria-Hungary. Whilst not really expecting that Russia would be drawn into the dispute to any great extent other than through words of diplomatic protest, the Austro-Hungarian government sought assurances from her ally, Germany, that she would come to her aid should the unthinkable happen and Russia declared war on Austria-Hungary. Germany readily agreed, even encouraged Austria-Hungary's warlike stance. One Thing Led to Another, and the following remarkable sequence of events that led inexorably to the 'Great War' - a name that had been touted even before the coming of the conflict. *.Austria-Hungary, unsatisfied with Serbia's response to her ultimatum (which in the event was almost entirely placatory: however her jibbing over a couple of minor clauses gave Austria-Hungary her sought-after cue) declared war on Serbiaon 28 July 1914. *.Russia, bound by treaty to Serbia, announced mobilisation of its vast army in her defence, a slow process that would take around six weeks to complete. *.Germany, allied to Austria-Hungary by treaty, viewed the Russian mobilisation as an act of war against Austria-Hungary, and after scant warning declared war on Russiaon 1 August. *.France, bound by treaty to Russia, found itself at war against Germany and, by extension, on Austria-Hungary following a German declaration on 3 August. Germany was swift in invading neutral Belgium so as to reach Paris by the shortest possible route. Contrary to what you want to believe, France did not just enter the war to defend herself only; she was obligated to fight by Russia as well. *.Britain, allied to France by a more loosely worded treaty which placed a "moral obligation" upon her to defend France, declared war against Germany on 4 August. Her reason for entering the conflict lay in another direction: she was obligated to defend neutral Belgium by the terms of a 75-year old treaty. With Germany's invasion of Belgium on 4 August, and the Belgian King's appeal to Britain for assistance, Britain committed herself to Belgium's defence later that day. Like France, she was by extension also at war with Austria-Hungary. From the above, you can see that everyone entered the war based on a certain obligation, and not by some black lie emotional claims. Take time o, Missy. ![]() i dont even need to argue on realpolitiks here even a blind man knows it to be true. That is why states like Ukraine, Georgia or Belarus can never be able to make certain decisions of their own in the absence of Russia. Thats why states like Canada, Mexico, Cuba, can not also make certain moves without Uncle Satan. You may wana ask Fidel Castro. Thats real politiks embedded in geopolitics. Some states will 4ever be unlucky to share the borders with some others. Thats why the US will always see Russia as the greatest threat to its security, even though she doesnt have half of her conventional military. Thats why u still have NATO around. Stop living in denial. ![]() |
Tkester:Thanks alot, man! We give God all the glory. Well, Missy89 is not bad as you think. I know what is wrong with her: why she so much loathe the Mother land. It was because she applied to President Olusegun Putin to give an executive order that would enable her to hook up intimately with the Kremlin's number one West Africa based secret service command leader, Sir Shymm3x. But SVR intel on her identity shows that she is a double agent, and so, she got kicked back to London where she has been coordinating wave after waves of attack against Moscow. Only a ''yes, darling'' from Shymm3x can save us from her Zeus like anger. ![]() make i run like cheetah o... ![]() |
Zoharariel:And so shall it be..as long as Missy89 and her Mosanto company have no tickets to board the train. ![]() |
Missy89:REV. 21 vs 8, ''...all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire..'' So, Missy, stop telling lies. Russia didnt entered ww1 based on emotions. You simply overlooked the dynamics and the prevailing atmosphere that led to the war. In 1914 the Russian government considered Germany to be the main threat to its territory. This was reinforced by Germany's decision to form the Triple Alliance. Under the terms of this military alliance, Germany, Austria- Hungary and Italy agreed to support each other if attacked by either France or Russia. In 1907 Russia joined Britain and France to form the Triple Entente. The conditions for war was already in motion right from when alliance formations started taking shape. Just as it is today, with NATO on one hand and Russia on the other, it would be the height of gross ignorance to say that Moscow's drive in Ukraine was purely out of emotions, when even a foetus in the belly knows what an alliance like NATO posed to Russia's security. So, sweep that babel under the carpet, because, if Russia like you said, entered ww1 based on emotions, then France and Britain equally got involved on emotional bases. Is that so?Moscow's foreign policy drive, particularly within the periphery of the formal Soviet space, is one based on the notion of ''real politiks'', which is overwhelmingly pragmatic. Why is Russia worried of an invasion? Tell me you are kiddin, my lady! Why do we still have NATO running around? Who wants to destroy western Europe, Canada, and Australia? Why is the US operating a military budget that reaches up to heaven? Who wants to invade them? Why is the US wary of Russia and even labelled it as the greatest threat to the US? Why? I will tell you: Real politiks! Thats what is shaping today's event among the bigger boys. It has always been, and will continue unto the end of days. Thus, Russia is not the only one wary, neither are they all wary for nothing. The evidence of real politiks! Don't lie! Medvedev didnt failed to veto the Libyan resolution, and just like China, they got betrayed. Russia simply could have evacuated Qadafi had they known things wouldn't go according to plan. So, they watched on to their dismay. It was from there they learnt their lessons. The west can never be trusted. Lie number 3 Russia wasnt delighted in 9/11. Even a rookie knew it was a false flag ab initio, not to mention the Kremlin secret service. They supported because it served their interests on many fronts. And you want to make it look like Russia's ops against domestic terrorism and secessionist in the caucausus, was predicated on 9/11. Russia has been dealing with terrorism and secessionist movements way before 9/11. I just dont have the space to cite examples. On Iran, you keep living the lie. The doctrine of ''common foe'' is what is driving these nations together. As more and more States continue to loathe the hegemon, the more their interests alignes. Iran knows what awaits them in the hands of the US and Isreal, and from what they have witnessed happened to others, you can kiss any Iranian trust for the west goodbye. Yes, bilateral and diplomatic business will flow as usual, but strategically, Iran is lost to the US/Isreali led west forever. And thats a fact! Back to base: how are the released pirates? ![]() |
Missy89:A hunter does not venture deep into the forest just to catch crickets. You are so wrong on many fronts relating to Russia vis the west and Iran. Yes. Russia's support for Iran would see Iranian cash flow into Russian defense industries, and, conversely, as you rightly mentioned, Russia would also reap big in Iranian civilian reactors. In fact, the process is already under way. But these are just part of the bigger picture relating to Moscow support. The major reason is strategic, and its a shared reason. Mr. Putin and Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, both want to prevent Iran’s drift closer to the West in the aftermath of the nuclear deal, and recent event entails their fear is quite understandable. For the Russians, loosing a priviledge partner, especially one that can help maintain its leverage over Europe, is something it can't afford in this trying times. From the Iranian angle, pitching tent with a west reputed for hypocrisy and double standards, would only spell doom for its well being on the long run. They saw what happened to Iraq, Libya, and now Syria, and they understood that they are next and would always feature in the hit list of the US led empire of death. This has informed their decisions to seek Russian and Chinese partnership and help in areas of defense, despite its history of conflict with the formal. Iran knew that the only nations it can trust with its security, are Russia and China. If you are expecting Iran to ditch these two in favour of a west seeking to destroy her, then you have to think again. They would always have their differencies here and there, but when it comes down to security and strategic well being, the 3, especially the 2-Moscow and Tehran, would always ride on the same train. Russia and Chinese indulgence on western sanctions on Iran, was more of a show of commital in leadership, as at when relations with the west was cordial, rather than as a result of enmity. Sanctions were there way back in 2006 when Russia sold 29 of its Tor M1 defense system to Iran. This was followed by the Pantsyr S1E. Moscow and Beijing also covertly sold high speed torpedoes to Iran through krygystan - all to the ire of the US. These entails that the Russian and Chinese support for the Iranian sanctions then, was only existing on paper. It was never implemented. Saying that Russia's position is weak, and at such, the US need not worry about the Kremlin, is the height of illusional reality that only exist in Sony Max videos. You even went further to say that Russia's strategies are based on emotions rather than pragmatic. I think you are off here. Contemporary Russia is one (if not the only) major power whose actions and inactions based on its foreign policy and national ideology are '' determine ONLY by their strategic vitality and necessity '', in relation to the overall national interest and security of its people. This is the 'funs juri' that governs Russia's geopolitical posture. For instance, Russia passively watched as the US bushwhacked Saddam in Iraq becos Moscow had little affection for the Iraqi despot; neither does Iraq serve a strategic interest to Russia's economic and security. They watched as America invaded Afghanistan. The thrust against the Talibans and Al Qaeda served Russian interest on many levels, including giving Moscow the perverse satisfaction of seeing the yankees fall into the same quagmire that perplexed the Soviet Union 30 years before. The more powerful the nation, the fewer lessons it seems to learn until that power is solely dissipated by folly. Russia even watched on as it sunreliable friend in Libya got crushed, because Russia have no vital interest in the matter that should warrant an overt retaliation or interferance. Based on this long string of passive inactions, the US badly miscalculated Russian interests and resolve, (just as alot of you are doing now), and they moved up to the next stage - pluck Ukraine from Russia's orbit. And they got the shocker of their lives. Russia did not only crushed the western designs, it annexed Crimea and secured the northern reaches of the Black sea, showing it as a master of the geopolitical game. After embarrassing the US and NATO in Ukraine, it outflanked the duo again in Syria. By complimenting Assad's ground forces with strong air power, Russia has annealed the regime and thwarted US plot to topple Assad. Fear Russia! Why? It has invested so much in Syria and Ukraine is none negotiable. That is your concept of Vital interest-national, as against eliticm of the few- the stark definition of US foreign policy. I think your notion of objectives being driven by emotions, best suit the US where the benches in the foreign dept are contineously graced by niccompoos! |
Akathriel: Missy89, you better pray for your life o before this guy force marry you to Alaska o.. ![]() |
Missy89:Always the typical Missy89, dancing on the avalanche of admissibility yet covertly denying the unclad reality. Nevertheless, you did, as usual, stated some sensible points. Yes! The deal was never meant to change opinion regarding Tehran, but you can agree that it was a step back from the brink, which in turn, was a major blow to the war hawks and demon possessed in washington and in Isreal. Or have you forgotten that Iran is on the hit list comprising of 7 nations planned to be taken out within the space of 5years, as confessed by formal US General and supreme allied NATO commander, Gen. Wesley Clark? When you take this into consideration, you would agree with my logical reasoning that the real government that operates in the shadow is probably still at work trying to realize their agenda, either covertly or overtly. Just consider some of the facts: Iraq is today a heap of rubble and a cradle of violence, where the eyes of mother earth continue to suffocate under intense and contineous flow of blood of both the innocent and the guilty. Somalia is still gasping for breathe wallowing in the waters of a failed state. As of today, we now have two Sudans-mission accomplished. One don't have to be blind like blind Bathemos not to understand that Libya was a two-fold success, as it didnt just brought about the complete destruction of the nation, but also gave birth to the emergence of IS. On the other hand, even Steven Wonder and his dark glasses don't need any divine intervention on the road to Damascus to see that Syria is currently a work-in-progress; a mission foiled only by the Bear's intervention. I sometimes wonder aloud how people can still call such things as conspiracy theories when the facts are glaringly acting out their scripts in open vision. So, my lady, you can see that i wasn't over analyzing. This is a script acting out its purpose, not some elaborate conspiracy as you termed it. Yes. Iran's emergence from its economic blockade, is a bad news for oil producing states like Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Ecuador, Venezuella, etc, and Russia is no exemption. But assuming the Russians would be hit harder, is, i think, unfair and culpa lata on your part to undermine Moscow's intergrity as master of geopolitics. Moscow has for long supported and aided Iran and the consequent deal right from the UN assembly down to the p5+1 negotiating table; it is only a russophobe (not saying you are one) that would think Russia does not have its own secret arrangement with Iran, or suggest that Iran won't give some concessions or commit to certain strategic or diplomatic agreements behind close doors. This is geopolitics Missy, and the Russians are grand masters of the game. I can guarantee you one thing: as long as Moscow remain in the world map, there would be no pipeline cross roads from the MidEast to Europe that seek to undermine its strategic leverage. Its involvement in Syria further underline this fact. Russia is no kid. They knew what this deal with Iran would bring in the future before they committed to it. So no big deal. On Turkey, no need for much ado about nothing! Ask Erdogan about his Turkmen. Bodies are still counting. His planes can't fly missions any more. You know how the economy is feeling right now. Of course, you won't see Russia-Syria successes on MSM, but they're wining territories every day. |
Dahveydson:The vengeance of the agricultural sector neglect have started taken its toll. Nigeria is paying the price for its unhinged corruption that successfully undermined the nation's economic and infrastructural development. South Africa is free to make its choice as a sovereign state. We have made ours by being corrupt and indirectly insulted God for blessing us with the black gold. So, we have nothing to complain about, not after exploiting and destroying the Niger Delta environment, with nothing to show for it after decades of oil exploration. With oil now selling below $28 per barrel, revertalizing the agricultural sector is the only way out. Otherwise, we can expect more chaotic days ahead, except something snapped in the middle east. Till then, the days of excess crude account are over. |
Missy89:Trolling keh! I can see that wry grin on your Londonial face when you typed that word 'drift'. I hope you aren't residing close to Stanford Bridge where Chelsea fans are hoping against hope, still living in delusion of securing a Champions League spot, despite being 14th on the ladder. Cos, You of all people knows better. What do you mean by ''drift''? How can two boats, well equipped, and of a higher standard/class with modern state-of-the art navigation systems, myopically ''drifted'' deep into territorial waters of a nation that is on the brink of having its long term economic sanctions lifted, after years of tense faceoff with a gun tottling US led west? No, Missy. Not with the likes of ''MadCain'' and many of those anti-Iran and pro sanction stooges in both Republicans, Dems and the MIC. They need to keep Iran as a 'threat' than a partner. Is profitable to them that way. What the United States of Agression did, was a well calculated attempt hoping Iran would over react and take out the vessels or atleast, kill or maim one or more members of the crew, which would have soured the nuclear deal and stall the sanctions lifting plan that was in motion; and in addition, give the war chest-beating hawks in washington and Isreal, the much craved impetus to up the stakes against Iran. But unfortunately for them, Tehran didn't take the bait. Rather, it took them and make them look like every other common criminal caught pants down. So whats the fuse all about?On Turkey and Russia, i've asked you this before, please, allow me to ask you again. Did you of all people honestly expected Russia to declare war on Turkey because of one lost plane? (and thanks to God you agreed now it was a planned cold blooded murder, and you know why they did it. But just like Iran, Moscow did the opposite). Okay! How many missiles or war did Missy's uncle, Sultan Erdogan, lunched against Syria overtly, when Assad took out his plane back in 2012? Or do i need to remind you that Turkey has paid, and still paying, 50 times more the cost of the Su24? My lady, we shouldn't be having this discussion now. Intelligent minds like yours knew that the US and iran boats bruhaha was a well timed, calculated ''bait'' and ''refusal'' by both ends of the divide. We don't have to be pro East or West to admit the truth. Yes! Its standard procedure, but what difference does it make? They were threated like every other criminals captured on the high sea. |
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is this a joke?..lol...and by troops they mean the machete weilding, wahabbi salafist, takbir shouting,head decapitating terrorists in military fatigues?they will be given a rousing welcome by HEZBOLLAH,and the various shia militias from iraq,iran,lebanon all the way to afganistan!the army who is yet to defeat the HOUTHIS in yemen despite the huge investment in dat war...the saudis cant dare enter syria alone without assist from US and the west...least i forget,,THE MAJOR REASON THE SSA(SYRIAN ARAB ARMY) and hezbollah are advancing in all fronts in the syrian battle is coz almost all ADVANCING INFANTRIES ARE HEADED BY A RUSSIAN COMMANDERS and heavy russian artilaries...there're two tinz that can happen now,either SAUDI AND HER GULF ALLIES WITH TURKEY SURRENDERS AND ADMIT DEFEAT,or they send their various troops into syria,thereby violating international law and starting WORLD WAR 3!!intresting times ahead!!.


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