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Exactly my point.. Whole lot of groups selfish interest. |
This whole thing is gradually spreading like hamattan fire. We are gradually reaching a point of no return. |
smsomega:If you ask me, na who i go ask? It seem Germany has forgotten that Satan Arabia was founded on the principle of wahabism. |
Underground: The excuse is so funny that if not for it seriousness regarding the position of the US as a super power, it would have pass for a Mr Bean comic series. How on earth can the US with largest arsenal of all forms of conventional capabilities, a country that fought two wars at the same time, say they have ran out of bombs against a non national personality like ISIS? 20,000 bombs: practically they are saying that there is virtually not enough bombsh say upto 20,000 remaining in store back home...huh? I know that the US, like all other governments, tell certain lies, but this really embarrasing and absurd. The lying general and Mr. Warren should just say the MIC complex needs more money by increasing funds to the military, instead of this silly trick. |
fineguy11:Plus the numerous air dropped weapons to ISIS and so-called moderate rebels. |
orlando5:na wetin dey vex Satan pass be dat. Somebody lie pass am. ![]() |
Missy89:Not really. But one thing i have come to realize is that, there seem to be be alot of personal, factional/group interests dictating much of the play in this whole scenario, rather than much of the collective interest in realizing generally stated objectives. If not, how on earth should the same kurds who have been pumelled right, left and centre both by ISIS and majorly by Turkish proxies via the influx of huge amount of weaponry and personel through the Turkish-Syrian corridor, now been presented with an opportunity to hieve a sigh of relief and possibly turn the tide a bit in their favour, suddenly are the ones that are against it closure? Why? Something is definitly not right somewhere: and like they say, war, however dirty, is really a profitable business. This is the largest ethnic group (if am not mistaken) in the world, yet with no country of their own (lips sealed: not insinuating anything..). The Russians have dealt a massive blow to ISIS and to its partners in crime in illicit oil dealings, and no amount of propaganda or rhetorical excupatory stance base on group, factional or a certain nation's interest and ideology, can change that. This much is true, base on the insane reaction we have seen from the other side of the fence, struck with frustration and excruciating pain from the Bear's wrath of Jah aerial bombardment, which have been so successful that he Government of Afghanistan is now begging Russia to come and help fight the Talibans -- just another example of American epic failure in foreign policy. If this rebuttal was coming from Bagdad itself, it would have been substantial and considerable enough. But coming from the KRG is like Eric Donaldson's '' coming in from the cold.'' And it will interest you to know that the same kurds who once admitted that some US special Ops are fighting alongside them against ISIS, have said that the US is hindering their success against ISIS, and they have vowed to attack US forces if the US deploy ground troops to Iraq. So far, the only people i know that are overwhelmingly and passionately figting this bunch of Takfiris, hell-bound sons of Cain, are those in Bagdad, Damascus, and Moscow. |
Missy89:The same kurds that are against the Syrian/Turkish border closure? Am not surprise... i laf in Swahili.. |
Missy89:I never said if Russians stop going to Turkey, it would kill the Tourism sector there, but would have significant impact on it's overall output and input into the economy, on the ground that it accounts for over 2.1 million jobs. Moreover, this is never going to be limited to the Russians alone. If the Turkey resentment fever is so high down here in Africa, (primarily because of the Russian anti ISIS campaign), i wonder how it would be even among Europeans who are still suffocating under the influx of Syrian refugees, and are increasingly seeing Turkey as part of the wider problem. On this note, i am not wrong. The Turks have much to lose here than whatever additional cost individual Russians will have to pay for alternative tours. Infact, Isreal is already courting Russian tourist, and just as some Russians have put it, '' there are certain things more important than open beaches and and sun-baking ''. Thats the Russian strong will and collectivism for you. This is further underlined by the peoples reaction at home, following the downing, and no amount of additional cost (if any) would stop them. Yeah, they eventually found market for their products, yet the likes of slovenia, Greece, Italy, and German industrial lobbyist now holding Merkel on the neck, wants an end to the tit for tat sanction wars. Even some of the markets they have discovered are proving insufficient to offset the loss incurred by absence of the Russian market, due to serious competition and government policies of the host markets. For instance, Nigeria, a large importer of such EU goods especially after the Russian embargo, have ban the importation of some of those goods, eliciting anger from the EU: and as if that is not enough, Russia have added 7 additional countries to the sanction list, further increasing cost on the bloc whose aid package of more than 500 million Euros has been criticize for being inadequate to offset losses. http://epthinktank.eu/2015/11/20/russian-measures-against-european-union-agricultural-products-one-year-on/It was barely 3 months that 1500 tractors took to the streets in France, and protest sparked up in Spain partly due to this same issue. If they had actually exported more and made more gain after Russian sanction, i wonder why the rebellion then, and why the EU is preparing more aid packages now. Concerning the issue of Russia propaganda, i dont watch Russian tvs, cause i dont have them listed in my subscription bouguet, not even the popular RT. But you dont need propaganda to see that Turkey is involve in shady deals with ISIS. Even the Iranians have been saying it long before the Russians came out with it. The motive is there for all to see. Journalist were being harassed and jailed for exposing the truth. Footage of IS tankers lined up with crude is readily made available, even by the US. Now let common sense do the thinking here: where else could those tankers pass through in the northern plain, if not through Turkey? Even among the US house of congress, some members knew that Turkey is in bed with IS, and the Turkish opposition is compiling evidence to prove their points. Even some die hard western anti Putin media bodies are chanting the same mantra here. The fact is, there are some truth you cant keep under the carpet no matter how you try, and this is just one of them. I dont think Russia was indifferently sitting on evidence until their plane got shot. In fact, Putin have said before now that 40 countries are involved in the dealing, and that some of the G20 members are involved. Well, now we have gotten to know one. If Putin have said earlier that so and so are dealing with ISIS, who would have believe him? Be truthful. Not forgeting that Russia was enjoying good relations with Turkey before now. But the evidence dont lie! The evidence based on ascertained motive will always bring out the truth, and it has been proved over and over again, Turkey is ISIS Partner in crime as far as oil is involve. |
@Missy89, Russia is already responding,(unless you are like them kids down here expecting Kremlin rain of missiles on Ankara, which i doubt you are) and contrary to your views, Erdogan has a whole lot to lose out on, both personally and nationally. His popularity back home is already dwindly. The death of one journalist and the arrest of two others charged for espionage for revealing the truth about the ISIS and Turkey shady oil deals, further create resentment both from home and abroad. Also, the arrest and prosecution for treason of two generals who dare to intercept a convoy of Erdogan's '' goodwill '' bound for Syria, is a clear indication of visible cracks now appearing even in his inner circle. All these happening in the afthermath of the downed Su24. And now that Syria and Russia, with the blessing of France, is moving to seal off the Syrian side of the border with Turkey, his Turkmen and other proxies will now have to be at the mercy of Syrian ground troops and Russian air power: and to make matters worse, he cant even fly his planes anymore for obvious reasons. So tell me, is all these not amounting to a collosal loss? Again, on the national side, contrary to your view, the Russian response will definitly slow down the Tourism sector, but it may also likely affect the overall performance of the Turkish economy. Yes, it will have considerable impact. This is because, tourism accounts for over 2.1 million jobs in Turkey, employing more than other sectors like the chemical. Authomobile, manufacturing industries. Russian tourist alone accounts for 12-18% of this, with over 3.4 million visits last year. But the real danger here is that, where ever exist an atmosphere of uncertainty and fear, people tends to avoid such places for fear of the unknown, like the last month blast that killed over a hundred in a rally in the same Turkey: and now that the notion of Russia's unpredictability have join the queue of the unknown tomorow, coupled with the glaring fact that alot of people accross the globe (europe in particular) are emotionally and naturally supporting the Russian anti-IS mission in Syria, it is vividly clear that it will never be the Russians alone that would stop coming to Turkey for holidays. This is the point some people seem to negate in their lobsided analysis. One only need to see what is happening to Egypt now, not to mention that Erdogan's highhandedness and staunch posture as an islamic overlord, is further killing Turkey's image. The lira has already taken a dive, amidst growing anti-Erdogan's sentiments back home, and if over 3.4 million doesnt mean anything to the man, he probably have to see a psychiatrist, because it meant a whole lot to the economy. Now you can understand why the man wants to get things right with Putin, but his '' strongman ego '' wont let him do the right thing--apologise and move forward. Additional cost as in how? The sanctions didnt affect gas supply and other contractual obligations for obvious reasons like you rightly noted: Egypt is already lining up to replace Turkey for Russia's fruites and vegetable needs, and Greece would easily fill the destination void left by Turkey, and that is if the option of Cuba and China is not prefered readily. As for Turkey, finding a market for their products would prove to be a difficult task. It is easy to find sellers, but its not always easy to find buyers. They can ask the Irish, French and Polish farmers who could not find buyers for their products following a similar case. Which propaganda? That Turkey is accessory to ISIS oil theft or what? Even Steven Wonders knew Turkey is aiding and abeting ISIS oil criminality. Even the US is increasingly finding it hard to cover. Where is the inflamatory propaganda in all this? The reality is that, Erdogan had fired an air to air missile against himself in toto, and against Turkey in considerable terms. He has started a battle he can not win nor afford to lose. He is caught in the middle! And no! I don't believe that Uncle Sam has fled the Syrian Skies, nor in thousands of troops being moved to the border. But one thing i do believe in is that, the Syrian airspace is now a forbidden taboo for Turkey, unless they reach certain compromise with the Russians and Syrian government. |
ValerianSteel:There is the problem. When truth stares reality on the face based on facts on the ground, we call it conspiracy thories and propaganda. But the truth has always been, and will always be treason in the empire of lies. |
American wonder |
Turkey is increasingly exposing itself to the world to see that she is a terrorist sponsoring state than a partner against terrorism. |
Missy89:Minus the US and France that are coordinating their flights with the Russians, the Syrian airspace is practically over for Turkey, and that is no nonesense. If you understand the Russians like i suppose you do, then you should know that they are, like the hyena, perfectly waiting for the opportunity to present itself, but the Turks must have anticipated this, hence, the complete grounding of all their flights into Syria, following the S400 deployment. The truth is, as far as Syria is concerned, Erdogan has more to lose than any other side in the conflict. It's shipments of weapons and men to it's proxies in Syria, continued to be bombed, the Turkmen are now under heavy bombardment both from Syrian ground and Russian airforces, and it can no longer fly missions into Syria, while back home, trouble is blewing even among his own military ranks: the recent treatment meted out to journalist further create more resentment and excuses for some European nations like France, Germany and Greece, that opposes Turkey's acession into the EU. The downing of the Su24 has completely exposed and undone Erdogan, not withstanding the NATO rhetorical stance (which is more of a feigned show of solidarity), little wonder the man is so desperate to sort things out with Putin. As far as Europe is concerned, the man has shot himself on the foot big time. |
Turkey have started a fight it must now have to finish. This is a really tense moment. |
France, Russia and Syria have already concluded the need to take control of that border with Turkey, which will significantly impact against IS. |
NairaMinted: ![]() |
Idrismusty97:Power play every where, end time things. |
'' Conscience is an open wound, only truth can heal it ''. Turkey Arrests Generals for Stopping Syria- Bound Trucks 'Filled With ArmsWell, it appears that not all generals are terrorists accomplice, or having the mens rea to associate with crimes against humanity. So, these generals did what was right, but by so doing, dares the status quo, and for such, got arrested. But what does this implied? Simple: the cracks are appearing among the top ranks in the Erdogan's house of terror. And another situation that further unerlined this possibility, was the contradicting statements by Erdogan and his military chiefs, following the downing of the Su24. Erdogan, after talking from both side of his mouth, have stated that his army didn't know the plane was a Russian one. That statement infuriated the army chiefs who said the politicians were contradicting and making things much difficult for them to handle, saying they would have resolve the issue with their Russian counterparts. You can imagine that.. Meanwhile, Erdogan's ISIS and Al Nusra are butchering themselves in Syria, even as the Syrian army who can now strike deeper (many thanks to Russian air power) have, on Monday, bombarded and inflicted heavy casualties on the crazy Takfiris near the border with criminal manager, Turkey, with as many of them surrendering for pardon. And as the evil house tries hard to cloak it's illicit and criminal acts in Syria, adrenaline is taking a toll on it's desperation to maintain his own narative by taking on the media - one journalist is now dead, and two others already arrested and charged for revealing Turkey's involvement with ISiS and its oil deals - further getting itself despised and loathed by many. All these revealing more cracks in the house of cards, and some are cueing up for the fall in the crumbling ladder. http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940909001354 http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940908001473 http://www.prisonplanet.com/russia-syrian-army-plan-to-block-turkish-border.html |
NairaMinted: And the latest was the '' almighty '' US Airforce running out of ammo in the purported act of destroying IS trucks. Can you imagine that? Yet some gullible trollers down here will still fall for such craps. |
Khd95: ![]() |
NairaMinted: The whole is seeing who is the real evil all along. There is always a breaking point in everything, and that is what is happening to some of this western media bodies. Many are no longer buying the hate mantra and derogatory propaganda misinformation. Thus, they have no option but to see things the way they are. You need to see what is happening in the BBSin comment section. No one is buying the crap misinformation anymore, and so, they resulted to closing one comment section after the other.Though it will tarry a wgile, the forces of good will surely carry the day. Brother, we must continue the good work, and let those who chose to sympathize with terrorists and applaud criminality, continue. We all shall have our rewards at the end of days. |
Missy89:Who told you they don't have an enforce? How should we call the Uncle Sam and Turkish airforces striking targets contrary to IS? Affiliates or allies? ![]() |
I LOVE YOU, YOU LOVE ME... Video Shows ISIS Militants Having Friendly Chat With Turkish Border Guardshttp://russia-insider.com/en/politics/video-shows-isis-militants-having-friendly-chat-turkish-border-officers/ri11511 |
Bad news for IS and Turkey. |
Lies with passion. You bombed 250 tankers, and you can still peacefully cross from Turkey to your mock targets in Syria, lol? The real bombing was done by the Russians, and that is why Turkey, so furious, have to stab Russia on the back, as they are no longer benefiting as such from the illiicit oil dealings. |
nnachukz: ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Missy89:But is true na. Abi na wetin again? Na fear? ![]() |
MathsChic:Exactly. You can't hide such heavy trucks from camera or satellite views for long. One only need to see the long train of crude oil tankers destroyed so far by the Russian air force, particularly last wednesday. Like you said, the US knew, but what can it do? Birds of the same feather they say, flocks together. |
Missy89:In international relations, you judge a nation by every single act of commission or omission in line with the degree of responsiveness based on acceptable standards and norms guiding international relations and diplomacy. The fact Isreal behaved in a manner that reflect the expected pattern of behavior acceptable in the international community, does not necessarily mean she is consistently responsible. You have to gauge that based on previous behavior in similar situations or other scenarios. For instance, one can hardly say Isreal has been behaving responsibly towards Palestine and the West Bank, and we all know why. But as far as this case is concern, one can say she acted responsibly. Or do you want me to say it was because of the S400? |
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