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mazeltov:
I thought Russia would have burnt down Turkey by now. Most of these Russian's midgets on Nairaland are just dumb!!

Shymm3x:
Loool.

I heard Erdogan has grounded all Turkish jets.

fineguy11:
how was their country almost annihilated in ww2?..this is just the kind of premise u arrive at when u watch history from TRACE tv..

Aguntasolo1:
It doesn't make sense. What would he deploy if Russia territory is attacked? S-300 is more than enough for Syria. I still believe the S-400 thing is just a piece of news for local consumption of Russians.

saxywale:
Russia cant be at the receiving end. How is that possible
Russians visit turkey for holidays (a warmer climate). That's one of the purpose of the sanctions, no more foreign exchange income from the over 3 million Russian tourist that visits turkey yearly.
Greek tour operators and the greeks would just fill in the gap created by the turkey government and smile to the bank.

OBAGADAFFI:
Russia will be at the receiving end of this action.

Their are more Russian going to Turkey, than Turkish coming to Russia.

MathsChic:
I'm still trying to understand why Turkey didn't just escort the plane out of its territory and later issue a stern warning. Erdogan just loved to stir the hornet's nest.

fineguy11:
This is how responsible nations treat their partners,with UTMOST RESPECT!!

vedaxcool:
unfortunately, Bush was an unintelligent man who seem interested in creating chaos in the ME.

WombRaiders:
North Korea is still technically at war with South Korea and the US.

You call them boi boi but why your US never invade them since 1958?

Stop watching CNN.

Obiagu1:
The funny thing is that when Russia finally retaliates, NATO will not come to Turkey aid.

Turkey downed the plane for a purpose but their strategy is not going to work. You shoot down a Russian bomber, ran to NATO to complain but NATO tactically are backing off leaving Turkey to their fate.

NATO alliance comes to play only when a member is attacked but that's not the case here.
Turkey are on their own.

DerideGull:
Per the bolded in colors, Russia will not even think of engaging Turkey in a military show down because of Turkey's affiliation with NATO.

carnegiefan:
I don't like Russians mainly because they lie a lot. I hate lairs with a passion.
Having said that, Turkey is being irresponsible by its actions in Syria.
Just out of curiosity I researched conventional military of both Russia and Turkey and confirmed what I thought.

Amormed fighting vehicles:
Russia: 31,298
Turkey:7,550

Main Battle Tanks:
Russia: 15,398
Turkey:3,778

Self propelled guns:
Russia: 5,972
Turkey: 1,013

Towed artillery:
Russia: 4,625
Turkey:697

Rocket Launching systems:
Russia: 3,793
Turkey: 811

]Fighters/Interceptors:
Russia: 769
Turkey:223

Attack Aircrafts:
Russia: 1,305
Turkey:223

Attack Helicopters:
Russia: 462
Turkey: 59

Naval:
Submarines:
Russia: 55
Turkey:13

Total vessels:
Russia: 352
Turkey: 115


Available manpower for military:
Russia:69,117,271
Turkey:41,637,773


Nukes apart, Russia can walk all over Turkey militarily, and very easily.
That beggars the question: WHY did Turkey do this, bearing in mind that Turkey violates Syrian airspace almost daily?
Only one answer is reasonable: Turkey wanted to cause a war between Russia and NATO.
A war between Russia and NATO is a NUCLEAR war.

So, WHY did Turkey do this?

I now understand why Germany pulled its Patriot Missile batteries from Turkey.
German is a FIRST WORLD country and won't play stu.pid games with NATO assets.
Turkey is a THIRD WORLD country with a dictator president, who thinks he is a god.
Also Turkey is an Islamic state.
Why is an Islamic country which was rejected membership of the EU still in NATO?
Turkey should be kicked out of NATO before it is too late.

My 2 cents is that Putin wants other NATO members to kick Turkey out (or at the very least divide NATO); that is why he has not responded militarily...yet.

All peace lovers on this earth should pray for peace.

ValerianSteel:
We can see how well the downing of the Su-24 has damaged their power projection cause their jets have not conducted sorties since the downing,they have now forgotten the enemy at hand(ISIS),now they move to create a new one.

MissSlimbody:
The heart of man is desperately wicked.
See how innocent he looks

Gravanno:
Where is Assad going to? Don't make me laugh.

With S 400, we have a no-fly zone in place.

By the way, Crimea is still part of Russia, where is your NATO aka the toothless bulldog? You think say Russia na Libya or Iraq? My money is on Russia.

mazeltov:
Dodging which facts? Hahahahaha
I even helped you to highlight its 5 major capabilities which no other fighter jet in operation can do in the whole world.[/b] ....with your Russian propaganda

Either 150km, 150akm or even 1500km, Pantsir coverage range is not up to 150km/1500km. Open your eyes and read Pantsyr only has 2 stage solid fuel rocket motors and has maximum speed of 1,000m/s which is equivalent to Mach3 and its missiles range is 20km/24km. A detection range of 30km - with minimal range of 1km.

CRAP!!!!
when will you stop hiding under this pretence ''official report'' when?.
If the offocial range of those weapons have not been officially declared then wait until they are released to the public.

Now what? I could remember how Putin was sweating underneath about the deployment of Raptor in Europe
http://www.ibtimes.com/amid-russia-fears

The same analyst that discussed Raptors' flaws are still the ones the discussed it superiority.
[b]According to Pilot Lt.Col Wadw Tolliner

it's a shame to give up in an argument when someone's ignorance has been exposed!! The more you keep posting your prejudiced fallacy, the more you keep exposing yourself. Keep them coming. See you later at night

mazeltov:
Can't belive that I would wake up this morning and read this little piece of junk
CRAP!!!. I'm highly disappointed in you, I can't believe that you could search through net and uplift some information just to justify your claims and ignore some others because you knew it would expose you. Quoting from the same source...



1 Why did you skip where it was said - RAPTOR HAS EMBEDED SENSOR/FUSION which gives pilot focus on dealing with enemy rather than dealing with the aircraft- Raptor has multiple sensors and information-sharing links show on multiple display that supercomputers used for sensor fusion that aims to put all the information plane is gathering into one simple display- a display departure embeds passive sensors for various wavelenght all around the plane's structure and this greatly improves first detection ability even with its radar off and combination of sensors means Raptor pilots are almost certain to know enemies' location long before the reverse.


2. Did you skip where it was said Raptor is All Aspect Stealth and has a very good radar profile from front. Yes stealth is not total invisibility but merely shortens the range at which jet can be detected on ground/air and makes
4. You forgot to read Raptor Supercruise Ability - it can fly above Mach1 without using afterburner. Most of the jets stay below Mach1 for vast majority of their service lives. Raptor's 2 Pratt & Whitney F119 engines offers 35,000 pound of thrust each. Raptor's ability to supercruise at mach 1.5+ without using fuel-guzzling afterburner. Today, Raptor is the only operational aircraft in the world capable of consistent supercruiseling while carrying a full loads of weapons. Eurotyphoon comes closer with Mach1.2 while flying.

5. You intentionally overlooked where they analysed - - SAM like Pantsir and S-400 are extending their ranges to hundreds of kilometer and their missiles performance makes it dangerous for stealth/non-stealth jet to challenge. Fortunately their position are more fixed than aerial opponents- Raptors' detection ranges from any angle and this can create gaps in enemy's radar coverage and this is helpful when Raptor is trying to leave danger zone. A hyper-spectral suite of embeded sensor helps Raptor to map and exploit coverage gaps and supercruise reduce detection range, the hope of this will allow Raptor to get close enough to launch its own unpowered weapons first before the enemy. An AN/APG-77 radar with future software upgrades will provide final stage jamming of enemy's radar

http://www.defenseindustry.com/f-22-raptor-capabilities-and-contoveries-019069/


Is that the best you can offer? Now listen. Pantsyr was firstly unveiled in MAKS air show in Zhvkosvsky near Mosvow in 1995 and it is a defensive missile-gun systrm designed to protect vital and small military areas and land force unit and protection against precision-guided air attact from low and extreme low altitudes - it has 12 surface to air 57E6 guided missiles and 2 2A38M 30 mm- gun with multi range radar capability of detecting aerial target of up to 2-3 sq and at distance range of mora than 30km and tracking range of about 24km

http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_missile_system_vehicle_uk/pantsir-pantsyr_s1_sa-22_greyhound_air_defense_missile_gun_system_technical_data_sheet_specification.html
Please tell me, where did you see 1500km for Pantsyr? No matter how long, I won't be tired of rendering free military tutelages to enhance your understanding & I'm wiating for more junks from u

Missy89:
I wanted to ask you a question but i didnt have the time to.

If this was the other way around and Russia shot down a plane ( lets say an American jet), and there is no substantial response for 1-3 days, will you think Obama is weak or playing chess and acting wisely? Or will you be here telling us how strong Putin is? Be Honest

cyprus000:
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On point soulja

The @embolded

Very very correct,especially now that russia have deployed S-400 to syria.

No more business as usual. Russia is looking for her own pound of flesh.
Tho sergey lavrov have dimissed any war plan as expected. I personally think it's just a facade to make turkey loose guard for the sucker punch.

A megalomaniac lyk erdogan,shall soon know the difference between local and international politics.
He thinks it's local politics that he exibit his rascible triat with impunity.


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mazeltov:
I am always busy so don't expect quick reply from me - and I don't have enough space to fully enlighten you but I will try and touch every point you've made.


discarded!! Now listen attentively - Pantsir' detection range is 30km and tracking Range is 24km, missile range of 20km and Pantsir is a short range SAM which uses 2 stages solid fuel rocket motors and its max speed is 1000m/s(mach3) http://www.army-technology.com/projects/Pantsyr/ stop typing what you know nothing about - Short range SAM can never attain 1500km as you have claimed, please make researches before commenting. Pantsir can only engage low flying object/missile moving within its range,
Yes you are right on this , the higher the weight the lower the distance. That's why countries use to deploy jets in their base around the world so that it will be easier to strike any target. You don't expect Russia to fly a jet from Ukraine to Nigeria when they have Carrier that can deploy them. Understood?

No!! Point of correction. Loaded weapons has nothing to do with jamming and you can only jam a system that has no countermeasure. A jet like Raptor uses Supression of Enemy Air Defence (SEAD) weapon and this makes it off jamming. You need to catch up on jamming system.

dodge? Lol. Listen, I don't engage in a crossed argument. If you want me to enlighten you no F-35

I have enlightened you on this in the morning. Go back to the post and re-educate yourself.

Yes I made an error, I wanted to type how American shot Russian MIGs 15, it was a typo err.

The Truth About the Useless F-35 & F-22

The Truth Revealed by the United States Department of Defense, the United States Air Force (USAF), the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) and the US RAND Corporation Research ANd Development, US and Australia Pacific Vision data.
The exercise PACAFs Pacific Vision on sept 25/08 revealed the United States air superiority is just a fantasy. The exercise was consisted of face the Red Team one hundred Su-27SM, four Su-30 and two Su-35 against Blue Team one hundred F-35, one hundred eighty seven F-22 and four hundred F/A-18E/F. The exercise showed the blue team higher in number of aircraft is double inferior when hundreds of Blue Forces aircraft were lost in the first 20 minutes downed by the Red Forces., on the other hand only 12 aircraft was downed in the Red
Team.
Pacific Vision effect the production of the F-22 was canceled and the F-35 project not longer receives investment all since 2008 by Barack Hussein Obama II and Robert Michael Gates.


Watch why F-22 is canceled in the next link -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL5jAx...


Watch After the cancellation of the F-22 the few remaining units still cause frustration in the USAF in the next link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICnR09...

telexfree1:
Lol. Fountain of knowledge indeed.

The highest altitude ever attained in a jet aircraft is 376.5km set by test pilot Fedotov in a Mig 31 Foxhound.

When you reel off figures like 850km, do u realize some one might actually believe you ?

NairaMinted:
Turkish intelligence chief: ISIS is a reality and we must stop Putin from crushing the Islamic revolution

November 24, 2015

AWD News

Posted October 18, 2015

Turkish intelligence chief: Putin's intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future


Ankara--- Hakan Fidan, the head of Turkey's National Intelligence Organization, known by the MİT acronym, has drawn a lot of attention and criticism for his controversial comments about ISIS.

Mr. Hakan Fidan, Turkish President's staunchest ally, condemned Russian military intervention in Syria, accusing Moscow of trying to 'smother' Syria's Islamist revolution and serious breach of United Nations law.

“ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries,” - Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday.

Fidan further added that in order to deal with the vast number of foreign Jihadists craving to travel to Syria, it is imperative that ISIS must set up a consulate or at least a political office in Istanbul. He underlined that it is Turkey’s firm belief to provide medical care for all injured people fleeing Russian ruthless airstrikes regardless of their political or religious affiliation.

Recently as the fierce clashes between Russian army and ISIS terrorists are raging across the war-torn Syria, countless number of ISIS injured fighters enter the Turkish territory and are being admitted in the military hospitals namely those in Hatay Province. Over the last few days, the Syrian army with the support of Russian air cover could fend off ISIS forces in strategic provinces of Homs and Hama.

Emile Hokayem, a Washington-based Middle East analyst said that Turkey's Erdoğan and his oil-rich Arab allies have dual agendas in the war on terror and as a matter of fact they are supplying the Islamist militants with weapons and money, thus Russian intervention is considered a devastating setback for their efforts to overthrow Syrian secular President Assad.

Hokayem who was speaking via Skype from Washington, D.C. highlighted the danger of Turkish-backed terrorist groups and added that what is happening in Syria cannot be categorized as a genuine and popular revolution against dictatorship but rather it is a chaos orchestrated by Erdoğan who is dreaming to revive this ancestor's infamous Ottoman Empire.

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Wiki: In 2014, voice recordings, where Hakan Fidan, foreign minister Davutoğlu, Deputy Chief of Staff, Lt. Gen. Yasar Güler, and other military personnel discusses a potential false flag incursion into Syria, was leaked to YouTube and shared across Twitter. The event resulted in the Turkish government blocking access to Twitter, then YouTube, and finally the DNS servers of Google DNS and OpenDNS.[10] In the voice recording, he is heard saying, to a military personnel, "... [i]f legitimacy [of a possible incursion into Syria] is an issue, I can simply send a few men there [across the Syria-Turkey border] and have them launch missiles over to us. Legitimacy is not a problem. Legitimacy can be manufactured." Seymour Hersh later linked what was said in this leaked meeting with CIA-Erdoğan dealings on Syria

Emzyme:
All4naija u deh crase ooo
He shld jst leave his seat jst lyk dat
Wetin obama still deh do for seat ...no b pple deh protest since
Abi those jailed in saudi for protesting nko
Erdogan weh kurds don deh fight since nko
Buhari weh biafra deh protest against nko...
Learn how to think na...
Stupidity wasnt meant for you alone...haha

Nd for all of ya celebrating turkey
May the blood of the lost pilots doing their duty to protect us from the even ISIL Be upon your head and those of your Children....Amen

Emzyme:
Do u have a brain
So a country dat executed people in the mist babaric way is ok
Foolishness should b ur second name
Its pple lyk you that has kept the world the way it is
Go to youtube and see videos of executions of both saudi and the fsa rats
Receive sense please
So monarchy is good in saudi ba.....ur level of stupidity amazes even d turkish president erdogan

scully95:
Putin is an Emotional War man and South Ossetia is gone.. Crimean peninsular has rejoined Russia.. also gone. DOneskt and Lugansk already a covert buffer zone. Putin is a diplomatic man. he fights war with sense which to me makes super sense. We all know what he's fighting for..A multi-polar world which also makes super sense because absolute power corrupts completely..

Taking South Ossetia and Crimea is answer to NATO dragging closer to its boarder.. Any further dragging means, the country will follow the same fate as Ukraine, and Georgia.. The bear is up


And yes that is a fact out of its 33 wars within the range of 300 years. 3 centuries.... It lost just 3 wars..

America is not up to 300 years and I can count 5 wars U.S lost. Well, that's not the pt.. The pt here is! The Bear is up again. Justice and history will always be on Russia's side.

belabela:
Turkey wants NATO and Russia to go to war so that both will be distracted from destroying isis.

The pilot who survived has just spoken that there was no warning, and he was the navigator. He said the weather was clear and they were in the Syrian airspace throughout their operation. He further said the jet was actually returning to base when it was shot.

A US official is also saying today that Turkey shot the jet over Syria.

Turkey is actually trying to destroy NATO.


At the end of the day the only neighbour Turkey had as friend was Russia as Erdogan has picked up a fight with all other neighbours.

mazeltov:
Stop arguing about stealth tech here. See forget about anything stealthy. No high-end tech in stealth. F22 doesn't rely on Stealth but has [b]Passive radar systems also referred to as passive coherent location and passive covert radar encompass a class of radar systems that detect and track objects by processing reflections from non-cooperative
sources of illumination in the environment, such as commercial broadcast and communications signals.

Talk of Phased array on S-400? Yes growler has such radar but the range of S-400 radar is about 600km. I challenge you to post a link where it was said S-400 radar range is beyond 600km



lolzz, honestly you are funny. Well I only opened the first link whaic talks how America finks F22 is now obsolete when they are into production of SR-72 hypersonic jet and they intend to mount lasar weapon on all of their fighter jets. Maybe you should sit down and read the content of link again. Until you tell me any enemy's aircraft currently in operation that can match F22 then I would believe you. You even went ahead to post F35 link to me, lol

Yes F22 is a 5th generation jet that which carries 4th generation stealth capabiliy not 4th generation fighter jet capability- I am sure that you are a student and you can easily understand and differentiate between the two. The fourth generation stealth is being used in terms of grade. you need to understand how Stealth and radar technology work together.
For example, the stealth capabilty of SR-71 is not the same with F-117, and the stealthiness of F-117 is not as sophisticated as that of F-35 or even F22