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mazeltov:
After reading this, I have no strenght to go into details so just manage my short reply
Yawnnn!!! The Russian s-400 40N6 The 40N6 very long range missile is capable of destroying airborne targets at ranges up to 400 km (250 mi). Active radar homing head. To engage targets out of sight from the ground (for homing missile can) is designed to find the target. System S - 400 can hit targets at a height of 185 km.
The 48N6DM long range missile is capable of destroying airborne targets at ranges up to 250 km (160 mi). Semi-active radar homing head.
The 48H6E3/48H6E2 – The 250/200 km, target speed 4,800 metres per second (17,000 km/h; 11,000 mph; Mach 14) /2,800 metres per second (10,000 km/h;
6,300 mph; Mach 8.2), rocket speed 2,000 metres per second (7,200 km/h; 4,500 mph; Mach 5.9).
The 9M96E2[37] extended range missile is capable of destroying airborne targets at ranges up to 120 km (75 mi), flying altitude 5 m to 30 km,. It has the highest
hit probability against fast, manoeuvrable targets such as fighter aircraft. Weight 420 kg. Active radar homing head. The
probability for single missile to destroy the target without taking into account the operational reliability is: (piloted stealth /
UAV) of is actively maneuvering = 0.9 / 0.8.
The 9M96E medium range missile (40 km), flying altitude 20 km, weight 333 kg. Active radar homing head.
The 9M96(not for exporting) medium range missile. Range more 120 km, a high probability of target destruction 1 rocket
(0.9 for the aircraft and UAV maneuvering – 0.. Can maneuver at a height of 35 km with an overload of more than 20 g,which greatly increases the efficiency of destruction of ballistic missiles medium and short range
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-400_(missile) this link is from the official web page of [b]Almaz-Antey[b/] - the official designer of S-400 SAM.
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-S-400-Triumf.html



what is your point here? - America used cruise missile during Gulf war in 1991 and Russian klub family cruise missile was recently used.
lolz, I couldn't help but laugh
Pantsir is a short/medium range SAM.
lwkm!! Why should I be afraid of S-500 when my F-x jet and B3-LRSB are in production. Bro you need to catch up please

F22 obsolete? Lwkmd!! . Name one fighter jet in the world that is in operation which can match obsolete F22.
More importantly, kindly show me a link where a renowned analyst commented that S-400 will bring down F-22. Jokes apart, I really need to read it cus I want to get some info, please.

Missy89:
Russia will rant and rage. But no one will care. If the russkies violate NATO airspace again, They will be shot down and heavens wont fall.

mach7:
Most comments here are quite ignorant.

Russia will respond, and it is a matter of when and where.

The first step is to study satellite imagery, readings from the ground radars of Russian bases in Armenia and Khmeimm including the readings from the battle group in the eastern Mediterranean led by the Missile cruiser - Moksva.

Next is to determine if the Su-25 was marginally within Turkish airspace or not, and if truly warnings were issued to the pilots or not - this can be determined by studying the intercepts of the Krasukha Electronic warfare system in Khmeimm.

If the aircraft was within Turkish airspace, then a diplomatic brouhaha will unfold and the resolution will be an apology plus other measures as determined by Russia. However, if the aircraft was NOT in Turkish airspace, then it is an act of war and Russia is bound to act - and it will act.

Furthermore, the Su-25 is a bomber and not a fighter aircraft, hence its defensive systems will be minimal (for those who are beginning to compare F-16 and Su-25) and it was returning back from a bombing mission UNARMED.

Lastly, the final act that will determine the gravity of Russia's response will be if the second pilot is equally found dead. If so, then I feel there is no going back.

NATO as an entity is not a problem for Russia, as if it is determined that the aircraft was not in Turkish (NATO) airspace and it was erroneously shot down, Turkey is fair game. All we will hear is tongue lashing and diplomatic hurricanes.

However you look at it, the situation is really bad for Turkey.

Shymm3x:
Lool.

A mini no-fly has been declared over Syria with the Russia missile cruiser.

Putin is a chess player and he knows the game they're playing. Just watch who's going to laugh last.

He always outsmart them and make them look stupid.

I'm shocked Merkel hasn't said anything yet - Germany is trying to stay out of this as well.

And Hollande was also mute apart from his Assad reference. Cameron hasn't said anything as well.

Erdogan is on his own - he has the dogs in Washington to look up to.

mazeltov:
the last part of your post shows that you are not biased in your thoughts or you pretend not to be - and that is the problem with many people. They don't weigh or make researches before they come online and start posting what they know nothing about.
Meanwhile, I would like to enlighten you or expose you to some facts. Feel free to refute them.
Stealth? Nobody ''hollas'' about anything, nothing special about stealth.
Yes, stealth tech is just a plus to a fighter jet and 'stealth' doesn't mean a complete invisibility perhaps from a ground phased-array radar like the one on growler. Your ability to detect and view a high flying stealthy object depends on the sophistication of the viewing radar. Am I wrong? In fact, when you have an advanced stealth tech with high mach - it's a huge advantage. But most of the fighter jets (5th generation) which we are seeing today are stealthy, Russian T-150 is stealthy, Chinese Y-22 or something is assumed to be the stealthiest jet ever made, the recent F-35 is also stealthy - this is to tell you that, these countries now understand the importance of stealth tech in aircrafts with supersonic speed.
And talking about drones? No!! If a drone is flying withing the range of a ground based SAM so why won't it be shot down? It's wrong to compare drones with advanced fighter jets just because you want to justify or rationalize your point in favour of S-400 capability. The ability of a SAM to shoot stealthy drones doesn't mean the same SAM can bring down advanced Fighter jets. Yes most of the drones can be brought down by SAM because their aerodynamics capabilities are not the same.
Miracle doesn't work here and this is not about magic, you can only shot what is within your range. You can only harm what you see. You can only touch what is within the range of your hands. Don't be blinfolded by your affections and face reality on ground.
Right now, the most sophisticated SAM in the world is Russian S-400. It's a big time threat, yes !! no doubt!! . S-400 ceiling range is 400km, which means anything above 400km is a ''bye bye''. Even American patriot is no where near S-400 '' Fact'!!!
F-22 on other hand has a ceiling range of about 830km, yes none of these have been used in any large scale combat. Let's come in terms with reality. This is not about Russia or Nigeria. I repeat, only a fool would fink that F-22 can't survive S-400.

rexbuton:
can someone tell me wen UK downed a russian jet?

Shymm3x:
Putin's Speech:

This event is beyond the normal framework of fighting against terrorism. Of course our military is doing heroic work against terrorism... But the loss today is a stab in the back, carried out by the accomplices of terrorists. I can’t describe it in any other way. Our aircraft was downed over the territory of Syria, using air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16. It fell on the Syrian territory 4km from Turkey.

Neither our pilots nor our jet threatened the territory of Turkey. This is obvious. They are fighting terrorists in the northern areas around Latakia, where militants are located, mainly people who originated in Russia, and they were pursuing their direct duty, to make sure these people do not return to Russia. These are people who are clearly international terrorists.

Taking into account that we signed an agreement on deconflicting with the US, and as we know Turkey was among the ones that has joined the US coalition. Since Isis has such huge resources of hundreds of millions and billions of dollars coming from illicit oil sales, and they are protected by the armed forces of other states, then it’s clear why they are so brazen, why they are killing people, why they are carrying out terrorist attacks throughout the world including in the heart of Europe.

We will analyse everything, and today’s tragic event will have significant consequences, including for Russia-Turkish relations. We have always treated Turkey as a friendly state. I don’t know who was interested in what happened today, certainly not us. And instead of immediately getting in contact with us, as far as we know, the Turkish side immediately turned to their partners from Nato to discuss this incident, as if we shot down their plane and not they ours.

cyprus000:
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By my on calculation. I don't think russia will want a direct confrontation at the moment.
www.nairaland.com/2760086/russia-deploys-missile-cruiser-off Considering the fact that NATO is conscious of possible russian retaliation.
By going through putin's statement. You will deduce russian stand on this saga.www.nairaland.com/2759443/russian-president-vladmir-putin-speaks russia will get her own pound of flesh,but it will not be now. It will strike militarily when the storm is calm and NATO is less consciouse. At the moment,it will thread the part of economic sanction,while it lay trap militarily. I foresee assad declearing no fly zone in turkish syrian border. This will give russia leverage to toast any turkish plane on sight conducting strike against kurdish YPG or her sabotaging bombing advanture against ISIL.

The tactical nuke team, is heading syria just incase.
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Shymm3x:
Turkey is on its own. Endogan was basically just mad they destroyed his oil smuggling facilities and decided to attack cos of a non- existent NATO cover.

He will start begging in the coming weeks. Nobody wants that drama in Europe.

Shymm3x:
Lool.

But is there even anything called "5th gen jets" since they were/are all utter failures and nothing stealthy about the ones produced?

F-22 is a fancy 4.5th gen jets with oxygen problems and it has never been tested in combat. Waste of money.

If an obsolete SAM could shoot down US' F-117 Nighthawk stealth bomber over Serbia, the s400 will destroy F-22 before it leaves its base. And that's if the oxygen problem doesn't kill the pilot.

Shymm3x:
F-22? - don't let me laugh.

RevDesmondJuju:
A supersonic jet travelling at 1800kmph can easily cover 3km in 3 secs.

The jet turned back and headed into Syria.

Or how are the Turks going to explain how come the Russian jet ended up back in Syria?

The Turks are Fcked over this.


There is no way Erdogan can defend this open act of foolish brazen aggression.

belabela:
You are a joker who try to claim he knows but knows nothing.

Can you even comprehend a simple statement. Every nation vilolates each other's airspace...but shooting down aircraft is war. The standard of violation is protest...have you ever heard of nations scrambling aircarft for violation of their airspace. If every nation shoot down jets that vilate their airspace then there may be no more civilised world. Hence Turkey is escalating things to a new level

What triggers a nuclear war?

There has never been a nuclear war in human history. The only time nuclear weapon was used it was only one nation that had it - the US.

Now there are a few nations with nuclear weapons.

When war starts nations are free to use the weapons in their arsenal so you never know when there will be a nuclear war. That is why the world avoids war with nuclear armed nations. A good example is North Korea. Nobody wants to see nuclear war.

NATO's only response so far is that they are monitoring the situation and have called an emergency meeting. Those who understand the situation know that it is very serious.

Nobody knows how things will turn out but NATO knows that Russia will respond - not sure what the response will be.

RevDesmondJuju:
This is what the Russians are saying:

The Russians where targeting a convoy of ISIS militants near the Turkish border.

They dispatched fighters to engage them

One jet strayed 3km into Turkish airspace which translates to 3 seconds of flight time.

The jet was shut down in Syrian airspace by 3 Turkish F-16s from within the Turkish Airspace.

The Turks can not send 10 warnings in 3 seconds.

The pilot jettisoned his aircraft and was lynched to death by ISIS members on ground.


Turkey is in deep sh1t¡ this was a deliberate aggressive strike and an open declaration of war with Russia

Already sirens are blurring all over turkey and everyone has been advised to stay in doors.

RevDesmondJuju:
Putin can not afford to let this slide because he already warned any nation that stands in the way of Russia will suffer the consequences.

And if you follow the man, Putin you will find out that he likes proving his adversaries wrong just as he did to that bastard in the white house who said Russia was a mere regional player. Less than a month after that statement Putin declared Russia's presence in Syria.

Putin will react and it will be viscous.

Thank you roasted Turkey for ending the world.


Daft turks

Shymm3x:
Anyway, one country was predicted to get a tactical nuclear bomb as Xmas gift from Santa this year.

It looks like Turkey and crazed Erdogan are topping the list for Santa's gift.

Shymm3x:
Anyway, one country was predicted to get a tactical nuclear bomb as Xmas gift from Santa this year.

It looks like Turkey and crazed Erdogan are topping the list for Santa's gift.

belabela:
You talk like a kid.

In the military shooting down an enemy aircarft/satellite/helicopter is equal to declaration of war. The fact now is that this said plane was downed in Syria. It crashed in Syria not Turkey.

NATO is currently drafting a response because it is a very serious issue.

Russia has called security meeting and called it a very serious "incident"

A pilot is reported dead and the other captured.

Just to lecture you NATO though big is not a country and need parliamentary approval from member nations. It will be most difficult to sell a war with Russia to people of Europe who largely support Russian war on ISIS. This aircraft was in comabt mission againt alnusura ( alqueda in Syria), did not shoot at Turkey. Now Turkey destroyed the aircarft and "killed" a pilot.

Violation of airsapce happen all the time. Turkey violated Grecce airpace twice last month. You scramble aircarft to protest...but shooting a plane down leading to death...wake up kid...that's how major wars start...from killing some unkown politican...to shotting down a military jet

Shymm3x:
I knew the whole Paris false flag was basically a plan by NATO to move assets to the mediterranean.

Now that they have got a lot of assets there - they gave Turkey the green light to instigate shiit.

These folks are crazy, I tell ya.

RevDesmondJuju:
I see some boko bastards are rejoicing over this....

Well, this has already backfired on the Turks as their currency took a major hit.

I know Erdogan has a hard on for ISIS and is having wet dreams of becoming the new Sultan, but what he doesn't know is that Russia fights dirty.

The illegal oil trade between Turkey and the Islamic State is why Turkey of all people dared to shoot a Russian jet. And I also know for a fact that the Turkish president is a confirmed boko.

Putin will react viciously and when he does I don't want to hear any boko complain

Shymm3x:
Lol.

How can a plane allegedly "violating" Turkish airspace crash in Syria?

These folks just want a big war. The Russians will send a missile to Turkey soon.

Idrismusty97:
What would Russia do? Nuke Turkey? Turkey is a NATO member, An attack on them would draw all the other NATO members. Russia would be careful with their approach, this isn't the time to escalate matter. Putin should just focus on ISIS and Syria, thats more important. The West are just trying to draw away his attention, Russia shouldn't take the bait. Turkey is in a delicate position now, A civil war could erupt any time. They would regret this action in time, Russia would greatly fund and armed any rebel group that may rise against Erdogan and Turkey(The Kurds comes to mind). It would be a proxy war. And Turkey should kiss goodbye to ever violating Syria airspace again, They are use to that. Even if Turkey violate Syria airspace by an inch, Kaboom!

Well judging from this Putin speech it seems this would escalate. Putin decides to take the bait, Turkey is in for real shît!


Such insult! They down a Russian jet and turn to NATO to discuss the incident? Screw proxy war and NATO, Russia should completely obliterate that terrorist country! Damn the consequences.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3113695_turkey_jpeg474a0d9a6941e348fb23a1c016451847

bonechamberlain:
why would he step down, who instigated the crisis in his country, was it not the west because the dint want him. Assad has always said he would step down if Syrians don't need him again and not some rag rag rebels and terrorist sponsored by America and its allies.

Rich4god:
End time seems to be much more closer than the nairaland crew makes it seem......

If not for the politics that all these world leaders play... How will someone shoot down a plane that is on a mission to attack terrorist...

Anyhw they want to bomb, let them bomb.... As long as Africa is kept out of the equation...

Underground:
The next hours and days may unfortunately be memorable in the worst possible way. May cool heads prevail.......

Underground:
Turkey knows perfectly well that that aircraft presented no threat to Turkey. It was shot down because it was attacking ISIL terrorists operating in Syria and near to the Turkish border. Turkey shows which side it is on.

cyprus000:
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Yes, a country need to protect her territorial integrity,but wisdom need to be applied when doing that.

This is a total senseless act from turkey. When things go south. NATO that is cheering her,will not be their to save her ass.

This ferosity of stupidity that the turkey government is exibiting. Will soon plunge her into reality of regret. They are diplomatic means to settle this issue,but the megalomoniac of a president have choosen rascibility over common sense.

This is the same turkey that constantly violates syrian air space on her quest of bombing kurds. They'd better prepare for karma.

On the flipside: it may that the plane was downed by by shoulder fired surface to air missiles provided to Al Nusra Front by the CIA. Same scenerio with how CIA armed mujahideen in Afghanistan to down russian jets.
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ValerianSteel:
The SU's are already roasting

AppleYard come defend your Lord Putin and his invisible airforce

R.I.P to the fighter pilot on board.

Chanchit:
No P, sebi we weh no come from urhobo fit eat Iguana?

dubemnaija:


But on a more serious note, Igbo law-makers and their governors should start passing laws that will criminalize any expenditure demanded from a bride-to-be's parent above 100k.

bonechamberlain:
. exactly, "zombies" is the name for Europeans.

they supported the u.s in causing refugee problems in Syria because of trying to oust Assad, now they are taking in the refugees, while the same u.s that they joined to fight has rejected any Syrian refugee.

Europeans are just bring foolish they need to wise up. Russia is not and can never be their problem.