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mazeltov:It is okay. I understand that you didn't throw the first punch, however, as men, and reasonable men for that matter, lets take things calm and forge ahead in crirtical analysis of global issues. Thats why we are MEN at the first place. The MidEast today is like a bubble waiting to burst anytime soon. Both you and Lucasbalo are on the same footing here - the concept of America's senseless wars, just that you guys differ on Obama's weakness and relativity to the MidEast. Each time i take to the news and see what is happening in the MidEast, i begin to wonder what is it that the US have gained from the endless disruption of life in that part of the world. Right from the Bush era, down to the Clinton tenure, the place have been a hub of violent activities; and when you compare theirs to Obama's, you may want to say the man is a saint sort of, but if you are to judge him by the currrent situation in the region, particularly with ISIS and Syria, then you will want to say he ain't fare better either, in terms of a clearly defined policy to the MidEast. This is where the problem is; there seems to be a pattern here - pleasing the military industrial complex controlled by the satanic warmongering elites and their agents like John MCcain, why caring little for the future reparcussions - the economy. They need something like IS and a strain relations with Russia to keep up with the sham cry of " threath " in order to keep maintaining the over bloated defence budget and the MIC. Left for me, Obama's weakness have nothing to do with his inability to confront Putin's Russia, infact, the man faired better in that regard. Bush was there when Russia thrashed Georgia in 2008, and the US did no sh1t! But Obama even summoned the courage to shake the Russian economy with sanctions, and even dare to poke the Bear by meddling in his backyard - Ukraine. So, all these talk of Obama is weak ditto Russia, entails a lack of understanding of the situation. When it comes down to the likes of Russia, there are Red lines you can't cross. No, not when the enemy is more than capable to reduce you to radioactive ash. So when some people shout Obama is weak, is like they expect him to start killing Russians in Ukraine and in Syria. Nah! Obama real weakness is his inability to free the white House from the shackles of the backdoor shadow government - the 1%ters elites, the greedy, criminal banksters and neo-cons zionist that owns the multi-nationals and the military industrial complex. That is why we still see IS running around and the US playing hide and seek with it. That is why US war ships are converging in the South China Sea, with China threatening consequencies - war storms are gathering in the horizon. That is why after fifteen years of fruitless war in Afghanistan, troops are still remaining there, bugged down and fighting a battle they can neither win nor run away from. That is why Russia will remain " the greatest threat to America ", even though it never shot a pin against America and its core interests before now. This whole thing goes way beyond Obama alone. Here is an institutionalized and organized criminal syndicate and occultic cabal, with whom you must stand, or turn the other eye, otherwise end up like JFK. We are talking of Satanism at its peak! |
ValerianSteel:My brother, i just don't understand why all these insults from respectable men like Lucasbalo, Dictatorzar, and Mazeltov. You see wetin America with wars they cause? |
In other words, Iraq is like, " ever since you've been fighting this ISIS, we have not seen much of the results, not forgeting your double standards - claiming to be bombing them on the one one hand, while tacitly supplying them on the other hand. So get lost lost, we don't need ya damn help ". Meanwhile, Iraq is under intense pressure ask for Russia to commence flight missions in it's territory. www.juancole.com/2015/10/wrangle-influence-parliament.html |
Article 2(1) of the UN charter envisage equality of all nations, no matter their size or power. If we are to go by this provision, then no nation should be excercising veto power to the detriment of others, especially when it has become a tool for settling political scores, vetoeing resolutions that should otherwise have ensure jujstice in some instances. But since there is need to have some form of check and balance for the sake of world peace, it becomes expedient that there exist a number of notable nations set up to ensure that sense of security and create the right atmosphere for global peace. Therefore, the current order of the security council should remain, but it should comprise of certain nations from each of the continents of the world to create that sense olf equallity. But as long as that Body remain constituted the way it is now, achieving the aims and objectives of setting up the UNO back in 1945, will remain a fleeting illusion. |
Missy89:Accept the truth and answer the question, missy. Is a weapon accorded respect base on battle field experience alone, or also by its specifications? Why this unecessary revving? Can you quote me on any thread where i have hypocritically disregarded any weaponry fielded by the US or its military crony bloc called NATO? Pls feel free to requote me here. If there is anyone that is bias base on such insinuations, it is your likes at the other end that doesn't see anything good about the Russians, but quickly applauds the ones murdering and devastating the earth. I am not here to compare weapons, nor hype to high heavens the capability of Russia in that respect. But i will never cease from countering the silly prevailing line of thought inbibed and displayed by unrepented trollers down here. "Russia always playing catch up", but how such catch ups must suck when it is realized that cruise missiles like the kalibr can be manned and fired from smaller ships, a capability unknown to the west. So much for "always playing catch up". ![]() We have been hearing of how Russia lack the financial muscles to undertake and maintain capabilities, yet it could fire a whole 26 missiles that cost about $700,000 each, not to mention the numbers of intense sorties flown so far in Syria that is more than those of NATO in Serbia and Kosovo combined. I guess it was Dangote that lend them the money they are using now,eh? ![]() Missy, Russia is in deed facing some financial constraint, but believe me, once it comes to matters of security and strategic interest, they will empty the bank to achieve anything. The Syria mission is a testimony to that effect. Missy, give the Ruskies their due. ![]() |
Tkester:I just pray that T.B Joshua's prophecy concerning Russia and Putin should not come to pass in my time, because should anytthing like assassination happen to that man, na there people go no sey war no be fiction for hollywood and hyping of weaponries. |
Missy89:Then why in hell was the myopic west taken aback when Russia lunched those cruise missiles? Pls stop speaking for the short sighted myopic Ediots politicians in the west that only sees through a microscopic lens when it comes down to Moscow. The fact that even some American and NATO military top brass and analyst expressed surprise at Russia's capability over Syria, is a testimony to the self-inflicted delusional views and perceptions they held concerning Russia, not the other way round. you mentioned the Iskander missile as being a short range missile, then i brought up the Kalibr issue and the accompanying question as to: what if the Iskander is another Kalibir? Then you replied by saying "all missiles are within the 300km range," meaning you have admitted de facto that the Iskander could be well above that acclaimed range, and thus, not a short range missile as it appears..... ![]() |
Missy89:Untested? Just as the S-300 is untested yet the likes of Isreal and Uncle Sam can't stop droolling over it sales to Iran and possible Sale to Syria, so too the T14 Amarta A weapon's capability is accorded respect, not just by it battle-tested, but initially by its specifications. You know that one na, missy ![]() |
Hilariously truthful. I pity Americans. |
Missy89:I mean numbers. Russia have more tanks than the US, and the T14 is a senior prefect to the Abram, except uncle sam have something better than the T14. www.globalfirepower.com/armor-tanks-total.asp |
Missy89:Missy, i understand that alot of folks deep down in western line of narative still don't understand the true nature of the formal Soviet Russia and the new Russia that emerges from 1990, but you shouldn't be one of them na . There are two fundamental principles that governs the Russian military and strategic appealing. These are: 1) the principle of " under reporting " and, 2) the principle of " secrecy ". The above mentioned principles dated back from Soviet times and was inculcated into this present day Russian military circles. I just don't have the time to go into much details, but allow me to cite a few recent example. Syria- before now we have been bombarded with the popular and ever prevailing wisdom in the west that the Russia military is nothing other than a third rate military power, that everything is old and Soviet-based, blah blah! That Russia can not project power beyond its borders, and so goes the fairytale-misinformation line of reasoning in the west. But when the Bear began it mission to Syria, it lunched 26 cruise missiles that hit their targets in Syria. Now, this is where it becomes interesting. The Russian cruise missle is called the "kalibr," and this missile officially declared range is 300km, though the layout and built suggest otherwise. It's export version until the syrian mission was 300km. But when that damn missile crossed two countries, covering over 900 miles, it was a shock to know that the range of that missiles is actually up to 2600km. What does that mean? Well, the answer lies in the above two principles. Under reporting have always been part of Russia's military strategy. And it would interest you to know that Russia has alot of missiles with official declared range of 300-500km, including the Iskandal missile. What if Iskandal is just another kalibr? ![]() Fear Russia ![]() |
mazeltov:Truely, war goes beyond immediate deployment of capabilities and and force. Infact, weapons don't win wars totally! Strategy - to a lesser degree; will power, and the cosmic orderliness of events are the major determinants. |
Yujin:You make sense. The world is gradually entering a stage where wars would be fought and won base on cyber capability and electronic warfare. Just as you perfectly described it, the ability to manipulate the waves, streaming infos from GPS and satellites, as well as lasers to a certain degree, is fast becoming the focal point of most advanced military powers, in that, it reduces risk of casualties, cheaper to develop and more easier to deploy. I think the Russians are very good in electronic warfare. The US is also a force to reckon with in that area. |
9jatriot:Those that know the truth are never blinded by sentiments. Keep it up. |
Tkester:Well, The US still rankls number one in military spendings, and when it comes to coventional capabilities, they are far away in numbers. The truth is, there is hardly anything conventional the US have today that Russia doesn't have either. The only difference is that the US have much of it in numbers than any other country you can think of, except in some few departments like in sub-marines, tanks and attack hellicopters, areas where the Russians fare better. |
Missy89:Ehen! Almaz held that press conference to make public their position knowing that its findings and submissions to the DSB regarding the capability of the said missile and the scenario where it was use, may not be included in black and white in the DSB final report, and it turns out to be so, regardless the DSB mentioned its simulation. I remember that sometime ago, following sanctions in the wake of the clash, Almaz-Antey, in order to aid the investigation, did carried out two meetings with the DBS in which it declassified the specifications of its rockets – the 9M38 and 9M38M1 surface-to-air missile systems. The declassified information included technical specifications, flight and ballistics characteristics, launch parameters, algorithms governing the detonator and characteristics of the warhead, but we didn't see any of this in the DSB final reports. The arms maker also provided the results of a simulated test of a BUK missile hitting a Boeing and described the damage. But in the final Dutch report, all these calculations were ignored. The report also had discrepancies with regards to the metallurgical properties of the missile and size of the warhead. You said the black box was "classified" ,Turns out it wasnt, Now the information released from it is inadequate? Ehen!I still maintain alot of things have been left out. There are 2 reports. One is to determine what happened so that ICAO or whatever will review and raise the standards of air flights to prevent future occurrence. That was the report that was released. The other one is criminal that will determine who was responsible and it will be out next year. The evidence is overwhelming already.Which evidence? That the seperatist did it or Russia did it? Bet me missy, nothing would come out of this at the end. Its just a waste of time on a false flag that gone completely off the mark, though it succeeded a little. We can only wait.![]() |
Missy89:You seem to have forgotten the actual reasons why Russia vetoed that resolution. How can you have a criminal tribunal that can prescribe punishment without initial investigation? This was Russia's contention , and This is where you don't get it. Secondary, the whole thing was becoming politicise, and even some international commentators alluded to this fact. https://www.rt.com/news/311109-russia-veto-un-tribunal-mh17/ And it will interest you to know that Russia have warned before then that it would veto such resolution if their wish is not taken into consideration. So why this hullabaloo about Russia vetoeing it from the begining? Russia's call for independent investigation entails a constituent body devoid of personal interests and one sided line of argument. It was never against finding the truth from the very begining. |
Missy89:Indeed Almaz Antey simulation of the crash was mentioned, but that doesn't entails or represent the official position of the the Russian government, not to mention that the Almaz Antey simulation contradicted that of the DSB. The list of evidential burden of proof pushed forward as " six cardinal questions " by Russia to the investigation panel, remain unanswered till date, and was never mentioned or refered to, therefore, was not admissible and did not form part of the so-called conclusive report/final findings of the panel that was not even independent to begin with. Flight recorder info was released as well, debunking your earlier claim that it wasn't, that was how it was determined that the missile exploded on top of the plane (screenshot added) flight recorder was never relied on, or can not be said to have been relied on, Missy, and you should know that. From the DSB reports, it was categorically stated (in its preliminary report, which also formed part of the final reports and findings,) that the Black Box information showed the MH17 flight proceeded normally until 1.20pm local time on July 17, 2014 after which all recordings “ended abruptly ". The determiniation that the missile exploded on top of the plane was simply from reconstruction of tthe plane from the wreckage using scientific hypothesis based on the position of the plane, the capability of the said missile, and the nature of the damage done. It was more of a case of probability, rather than info based on the flight recordings/Black Box. As per not assigning blame, Lets wait for the criminal inquiry, That is another report entirely. This report however blames Ukraine for not protecting her airspace and families of people that died on the plane are suing Ukraine already for the negligence.Now, this was where i couldn't help but shake my head in pity and awe towards the evils people could go. Never in my life have i seen or heard of an investigation into a criminal matter concluding its findings without giving a hint as to the possible culprits responsible for the said crime. So, the criminal inquiry will now take a seat, spread the DSB report before it, and then holla; " hey, Russia, come forward here, you are responsible! Oh, Ukraine Junta, or you damn seperatists, you did it! Now, interpol, start the arrest! " blabla bla. Ask yourself: based on this findings, what will the criminal inquiry or prosecution rely on for the necessary indictment? And on what grounds (since there is virtually any in this DSB summations) would they base and formulate their evidence/indictment? I dey laf ooo, MiSsy. |
Missy89:Nice one but very weak excuse. How can you have a criminal tribunal without initial investigation? It is like asking a court of first instance to adjudicate on a matter when the investigation as to the causal factors of the crime is still ungoing or yet to begin, and therefore, inconclusive. Is there any sense in it? That was the reason Russia vetoed that silly resolution at the first place, but when she did raise the issue of and independent and open investigation into the said crime, was it taken into consideration? Answer that! It is trite law that thorough and conclusive investigation precede any criminal prosecution, with all the relevant facts in issue adequately summed up and verified. You can take that to the Bank. |
mazeltov:What a joke. |
Missy89:Both. And how did Russia fully participated in the investigation? |
MrPresident1:Wrong! The rapture shall mark the begining of the great tribulation. The tribulation shall be the punishment for the foolish virgins who did not make it during the first flight, and they will now have to pay with their blood under torture for 3 and a half year, to deny Christ and accept the mark of the beast to live freely, work, buy and sell: which they must have to refuse to be saved. The bride of Christ will never go through the tribulation period, otherwise the purpose of the salvation paid by Christ on the cross, would amount to nothing. But thank God, it won't be. |
EVarn:Well, there are places where God did manifested as an Angel, but claiming that Jesus was first Michael before he actually became Jesus, lacks merit and does not have any biblical bearing. |
mazeltov:And you think that is a Russian jet? ![]() |
NairaMinted:You know Uncle Sam is synonymous with criminality. ![]() |
NairaMinted:Not a single word regarding that area i Am waiting to see the pathetic sons of cain prosecuting anyone without the recorded info from the Black Box.Pathetic! |
Obomber the terrorists! |
bonechamberlain:Well, thats another food for thought. I just feel sorry for her. |
Missy89:Missy, even in your heart of hearts, you knew very well that MH17 was a false flag from the very begining. And the investigative inquiry set up was even more dubious, lobsided and bias from the word go. Even common sense should tell us that. What was Belgium, who is not a party to the crash in any form, doing in the investigation? Malaysia who is the primary victim of this horrible crime was initially left out of the investigation, and was only admitted later after much protest and anger by Kuala. The seperatist that were the primry suspect in the said crime were not given a representative in the investigation, and Russia which was alo accused of the said crime was not also represented either. All these are a clear violation of the twin principles of natural justice; (1) The principle of audi alterem partem- which means, " hear the other side of a dispute, " and (2) The principle of Nemo Judex in Causa Sua- which mean, " You can not be a judge in your own cause/case". From the statement of facts as represented by the constitution of the said Dutch investigation panel, Russia and the seperatist claimed to be responsible for the said crime, were not in any way represented in the panel (violation of 1st principle), while Ukraine which is a party to the said crime oweing to its military operation in the conflict zone in the East of that country-scene of the said crime, was seated as a direct member of the said investigation panel. This is outright violation of the 2nd principle. Furthermore, the evidence relied on by the said investigation panel in arriving at their findings, constituted evidence as tendered by the Ukrainian Governement (who of course is a judge in its own case), whose evidence were accepted as valid, while the ones tendered by the other party (Russia) to the dispute were not admitted for consideration. Thus, a good judge or a properly constituted criminal court that possesses the spirit of the twin pillars of natural justice, will declare such a case as " null and void ". The whole process was " void ab initio". Other instances that shows that the case was fraught with alot of irregularities and bias from the very begining: - The fact that there was no reference by the panel as to why the path of MH17 was re-directed by the Air traffick control of the Ukrainian government. -The fact that the investigative panel did not even allude to the whereabout of the air traffick control recordings of that fateful day, especially when Ukraine can not even furnished them. -The fact that the whereabout of the Spanish air traffick control man manning the Ukrainian air traffick control post could not be found till date. -The fact that the investigation panel relied on the secondary radar info provided by the Ukrainian junta, instead of the primary radar info, which the Ukrainian government could not provide. (pathetic) -The fact that the Ukrainian government said that its primary radar was not active during the said period in the East of that country, and so could not furnish such information that would have served as primary evidence. (at this point, i shook my head in pity for the souls that passed on, while bursting out in repulsive laughter as to this clownish excuse of the junta. Your primary radar is not active but your planes are flying and targeting seperatist in the east, monitored ONLY by your SECONDARY RADAR. ![]() Is anybody listening? ). What a world.-The fact that the investigation was conducted in secret and a none disclosure pact was signed by the parties to it. -The fact that the investigation was even conducted by parties with self interest to the case, instead of being done openly by the United Nations. (i pity the truth) -The fact that in its final submissions, the investigation panel did not make ANY REFERENCE to the information regarding the BLACK BOX RECORDINGS. ( "thanks to the none disclosure pact" ) -The fact that in its final submissions, the investigation panel could not or did not apportion blame on anyone, not even the much hyped seperatist as being responsible, as they said its not within their power to so do. ( then why did you embark on the excercise at the first place, knowing that you can not even indict anyone, let alone prosecuting or recommending for prosecution? ) wonders shall never end in this world of sin! -And the fact that if there was anyone apportioned blame by the panel, it was the Ukrainian government for not clearing its air space during such crisis. So, all you people, know therefore that this whole MH17 drama was a sham from the very begining. A false flag that went completely wrong off scripts, though it succeeded in eliciting the planned emotions against Russia. |
bonechamberlain:I think you are correct. But i kept asking myself one question; why shoud Merkel be obliging to the US indirect declaration of war on Russia, given the fact that Germany have much to lose from the sanctions as against any other country in the Euro zone? Why is she putting at risk the profit making base of the German car industries whose major market in Europe is Russia? The thing doesn't make sense to me. But then i remembered the NSA spying scandal, and i realize they must have got something on her which they are using against her. Even Putin alluded to this in his popular Vadal's speech. He said some presidents in Europe can't even appoint their own chief of staffs whithout permission from the powers that be, which you and i know very well. Honestly, it is now very plausible that the US is blackmailing some of these leaders to act their scripts, using the NSA massive spying results. Each time i see Angela Merkel on tv, i truely feel sorry for her. |
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Truckpusher: ![]() ![]() Damn right! And the vulturesare wickedly patient.![]() |
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