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Missy89:
Obama doesn't have to arm anyone . He just need to show he is willing to raise the stakes. Russia is at the point of no return in Syria by escalating. Success is the only acceptable option at this point and the US can make that difficult it decides to. Personally I want Russia to succeed but everything depends on how successful their military will be at this point. Soviet Military leadership told Brezhnev they could win in Afghanistan too.

Correct. But i believe Muhamadu Putimn already knew how tides may turn, and the possibility of the US making things tough. So, am sure they are adequately prepared for such a scenerio.

OTDR:
Then Russia would respond in kind by giving similar weapons to enemies of the US and its allies to shoot down not just planes, but that can decimate US battle ships as well . Russian forces are only in Syria and probably Ukraine, but US forces are spread across the globe, and have more enemies than Russia would ever have... In such game of tit-for-tat, US and its allies have more to loose. US isn't that stupid and Syria isnt worth the gamble.

Na true you talk.

Lucasbalo:
Americans are the government here. The number one reason Obama won the Presidency is because of the war and McCain is a war monger. Secondly, the war in Iraq and Afghanistan has a deadly effect which America is grappling with both economically and humanly. There is presidential primary going on now and war and the economy are the two main focus. Trillions of dollars was spent on the two useless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan with no benefits for an average American. How many countries can survive that kind of financial and human life wastage ?. The opinion poll in America says overwhelming majority of Americans are against war especially when America is not being attacked.

True words. I get your point. But the problem is, while the American people don't want war, the satanic elites usually finds one way or the other to drag them in, cos thats where they make their blood money. You see?

doncaster:
Guy you killed this analysis. Vlad just made a bold statement that he don't need any ally to do what he outh to do to protect Assad. Like he said at the UN that the world can not keep quiet any longer while US destroy the world. While sharing wine with Obama in US his army are preparing for the mission ahead. The worst part is he concealed his next move like a mafian, took everybody unaware. I so much love that man.

You can say that over and over again. When one nation thinks she has the perogative to overthrow nations and kill people at will, it is high time that somebody stands up to that murderer. Am glad Putin is that man.

Missy89:
Appleyard,

I found an article you will probably like

https://ninabyzantina./2015/10/06/state-propaganda-realities-of-the-russian-media-landscape/

Well, i must thank you for this wonderful link. Initially when i started goinjg through, i thought this is just another line of propaganda. But when i got to the end, i discovered the true intent of the article.

The truth is both sides of the fence are guilty of propaganda, but when it comes to that, Russia is still learning. The West is simply nothing to write home about when it comes to critical journalism. That cencorship of Putin's ISIS talk is a clear indication of that line of that line of thought. And if any one (like the article opioned somewhere) thinks that the Government particularly in the west is not involved in media control, then am afraid to say that such person is still understanding or the dept of information slavery.

A leading journalist who was grabbling with the conscience of his soul came out and confessed how the CIA was bribing and controlling most Media houses and papers, including himself.
http://justice4germans.com/2014/11/19/leading-german-journalist-admits-cia-routinely-bribed-him-germany-is-a-colony-of-the-usa/
We are also aware of how BBS-in (sorry, BBC) was caught reporting the 9/11 attack " 27 minutes before it actually happened ". What does that entails? " that somebody went off script up there ". Thats right.

My dear, propaganda is a weapon in hands of the enemy, just that you don't need to be propagandized before you can tell certain things by themselves. E.g, the Creation of ISIS, the US behaviour towards it, the invation of Iraq under false pretext, etc, etc.

ken4jj:
This is a wrong move for Putin on the long run. he is repeating the foolish mistakes of the US in a bid to stand up to the US.The US credibility was lost in the middle east. If not for stupid pride, the US should have no business in the middle east having failed policies all over the region. World leaders just act without thinking about the consequences. The middle east is not europe where people are reasonable, it is a different ball game. They live to fight and die.

This whole Syrian problem is still the same struggle between the Shiites and the Sunnis which will never be solved. What will happen now is that even if there is victory now, the war will resurface sooner than later because the sunnis will never allow Shia Iran of dominating the region while Iran is bent on having an upper hand in the region. This is why Putin should have left them to do their shit instead of getting bugged down in sectarian struggle like the Americans. The sunnis are seeing Putin as defendant of the shittes and they shittes are seeing it as a victory, as long as the Sunni Saudi wants to prevent Shitte Iran from being a regional power, trust them, they will keep sponsoring the terrorists and there will never be peace in that region just to out do the other.

The middle east is not Ukraine, it is a useless region. For Russia to defeat them, then Russia troops will have to be on ground and not leave ever again else whatever gains they made will mount to nothing. It is not worth the casualty they will suffer and a drain of resources for people who can never agree.
One of the foreign policy blunders of the US is to think democracy will work in that region. Pure lie. Dictatorship is the best for that region. If those bad guys were still around, the region will have been safer overall.

You definitly have some good points there, particularly as it relates to the nature of the Arab mentality. But i am now telling you that if youi were in Putin's shoes nothing would stop you fromentry that Syrian conflict. What is at play here is far beyond Sunnis and Shiites muslims struggles. Syria is a battle ground for the SOUl, SPIRIT and BODY of GAS - The pipeline Politics. Bow you can understand why Russia must get involved.

Missy89:
The cruise missiles was more of a show off. Good for Russia.
Too early to tell how effective their intervention will be but so far so good.

I don't believe in the "moderate" jihadist idea anyway. A terrorist is a terrorist. That said, if America raise the stakes and give their jihadist missiles to shot down Russian planes, what then?

The Russian century part is a big joke.

The Yankees giving their missiles to the Jihaddist to shoot down Russian planes is a real possibility. But don't you think the Russians may have already know this before now? They have shown to " their partners " that they can see everything. NATO officials ttestified to that fact. So, no shaking.

Lucasbalo:
You are absolutely wrong to say Americans are not tired of war. Remember , that was one of the reasons obama beat John McCain in 2008 election. We have presidential primaries going on now and war is not something americans are eager to get into especially with the economy in slow motion. That's going to be the Achille hills for the Republican nominee comes general election.we have spent trillions of dollars on this worthless wars with nothing to show for it. Putin is getting himself to something that he will regret. I hope Cameron follows Putin into Syria the same way your former PM followed Bush into the mess in Iraq and Afghanistan. No more unnecessary war from this Yankee and overwhelming majority of Yankees. Like the popular movie song says 'War, what's good for, absolutely nothing'. I wish Putin and his Amen corner well. He will find out Middle East is a volatile region. His country people will turn against him when the economy goes south. Time will tell.

Far from it. All your postulations will only end up within the figment of your uninformed imaginations. Russia is no America. The difference between Russian and American policy makers is that, while the formal will only engage in and commit itself to business that only involves it's National economic and strategic interests, the latter sees world domination as its core of interest and thus fashioned its foreign policy in line with the realization of such goals, unknown to you commoners that such acclaimed national interest is only a ruse meant and deployed to satisfy and realized the exclusive interest of the elites -1%ters, vis their corrupt Multi-nationals and Ghehazis-infested banking-gangsters corporations that bankroll the evil train.
That is the reason Bush was hell-bent on invading Iraq under false pretext, despite the persistent public outcry, and even when he knew that such adventurism would later reflect on the economy like you rightly mentioned. And immediately the war ended, American and British companies were scrambling for oil concessions and contracts here and there, and at the end, the weapons of mass destructions were never found, but the elites insatiable taste for wealth, to own and control scarce resources, was adequately satisfied to the detriment of the unsuspecting American tax payers. Similar issues applied to the Libyan invasion, and the stupid war in Afghanistan - with all three nations still practically at war and in shambles: all goes to highlight the epic failure in US foreign policies, which of course is just " the exclusive interest of the elites, by the elites and for the elites. " They don't give a dime if the rest are suffocating or not.

But the same can not be said for Russia. Unlike their US counterparts, Russia mostly get involved in business that directly affects the strategic and geopolitical interest of the Nation - not that of the individual or selective few called the elites. This much is true when one takes into consideration certain events. For instance, Russia only got involved in Georgia when its peacekeepers were killed by Georgian troops, unlike the US which only got involved in Iraq under false pretence to satisfy the elites pockets. Again, in Ukraine, the annexation of the Crimea pennisular in the aftermath of the coup in Kiev, recieved overwhelming support from over 80% of the Russian people, due to the strategic importance of the region to Russia. But the same can not be said for the US in Iraq, Libya, and Afghan in particular where the US is still being bugged down and spending huge sums of tax payers money to fight a war that is increasingly becoming a pain in the a*s. For you can not win, neither retreat.

In summation; the US policy makers are myopic in decision making, particularly when such decisions doesn't reflect the wish of the American people and the constitutional enshrined national ideology. At such, they are bound to make grave judgemental error and consequent failure abroad, even when the capacity to achieve such goals lies within the periphery of their ability.

But with Russia, it is quite the contrary. Even with prevailing sanctions, downfall in global oil prices, and a bunch of hostile nations all around - has forced the question of " how is Russia able to cope and undertake such ventures and adventures as in currently Building the fastest bridge to Crimea, developing technologies here are there, undertaken large projects and creating alternatives - her own payment system SWIFT, GLONASS to GPS, and now venturing into Syria on a breath-taking pace,etc? " It all goes to show a complete failure in or outright bias and steroetyping in information gathering and data analysis with the aim of undermining the Russian economy and to disuade intelligence views by western bodies; while comprehensively indicating a solid, pre-emptive and precise timing in policy formulation, thinking before acting, measuring the risk as against the loss, etc.

That is the difference, and if anyone thinks that Russian would get bogged down in Syria, them such is still understanding Putin and underestimating the Russian build-up in Syria. The ramp up in Russian assets in Syria - some of them the best they have, entails that it is meant to achieve a quick result.

Muhamadu Putin will be out of there in a short while .!

Lucasbalo:
Obviously youu don't know nothing about what you are talking about. Jealousy and incompetence from where. Because americand are tired of war, to u that's incompetence and jealousy. Get a grip.

How is Americans tired of war when their Government is not?

Fleshly:
@ Shymex,

I feel now is the time for America to show the world a proof of its military might. Alas, it seems there military strength is only good on paper. Honestly, if Putin succeeds in his air campaign in Syria, then he would have restored Russia's leadership in the world.

Also, if PUtin succeeds in this air campaign, it will embolden him and that marks the beginning of the end of Saudi Arabia, NATO, and Sanctions.

There is nothing that can stop him from succeeding, except God wants him to fail, which i doubt. The reputation of the man is growing everyday. His popularity has increased by another 7% back home. Accross Africa, mother Russia is hailed as God's vengeance against those wicked sons of perdition. Many in Europe are raising the thump-up sign of solidarity, while Iraq will soon call in Russia to rain down God's wrath upon ISIS, there are now reports that Afghanistan may solicit Russia's support to tackle the Taliban and Al Qaida insurgency in the country. Who is next on the line for Russia's goodwill?
All these taking place while America is awe struck and bewildered at the speed of Russia's achievement, to the extent that the senate committee on Intelligence is Summoning a meeting of the defense and intelligence gathering bodies and policy makers to explain how come the Russians within such a short time is scoring such success with relative speed and ease, and how they have not been able to pre-empt Putin's move in Syria prior to the overt intervention.

As you can see, while Putin is bound to succeed, given the moral support both from home and abroad, the US is still busy puzzling over the outcome and the direction current events is taking in Syria.
The reson is that US policy makers have this warped and shortsighted believe that Russia lacked the econjomic power to undertake such military excercise far from home, and that in military terms, is nothing other than an old, hag military with capabilities limited to Soviet era, and so can do no sh*t. But right now, they are all learning something new.

Putin is bound to succeed, and the worst the Yankees can do is to arm the so-called moderate rebels to shoot down Russian planes, which i can bet, the Russians must have already pre-empt, hence, the move to deploy advance hardwares to adequately prepare for a ground attack that will effectively take out such installations.

The US military is as strong as it is, yeah! But in the face of the current show, it can hardly do anything different. Pentagon is still very much unchallangable, but this time, " Only in the Movies ".

Hmmm! The game of politics is always one that you can never predict it outcome accurately. A man who is your friend today can become your enemy tomorow, that is the game for you; no permanent friend, Just permanent interest.

Russia is Turkey's second biggest trader with a trade turn over of $32 billion dollars as at 2013, not to mention the Turkstream pipeline and Nuclear plant building deals that Russia have with Turkey. A roll back on these deals by Ankara would significantly impact losses on Russia, no doubt about that. But if Ankara thinks it can use such possible outcome as tools against Russia in the wake of the Syrian crisis, then am afraid to say that Erdogan is still learning to understand Russia and fully comprehend the dynamics at play over Syria. Not to mention that Ankara would also miss out of becoming a gas hub connecting Europe and parts of Asia and the Middle East. But far from these, there are 8 reasons why Russia would go all the way in Syria (and that is exactly what they are doing right now), as succintly captiooned by geopolitical analysts (see globalresearch), is the titanic battle for the soul of natural gas geoecopolitiks, wriggling together major players with different agenda - and the endgame being Europe - the proportion of which is far greater than Turkstream and some nuclear plant contractual agreement that should make Russia carved in under pressure and cheap blackmail, especially when it is both sides at each end of the contractual table that would loose out in one way or the other. And what a battle it is provning to be.

In Syria, Europe (amids the death struggle by different key players)is first and foremost fighting for energy resources. And a special role is played by natural gas, which is emerging as the main fuel of the 21st century. The geopolitical problems connected with its production, transportation and use are perhaps more than any other topic on the radar of Western strategists.
In the apt expression of F. William Engdahl, «Natural gas is the flammable ingredient that is fueling this insane scramble for energy in the region.» A battle is raging over whether pipelines will go toward Europe from east to west, from Iran and Iraq to the Mediterranean coast of Syria, or take a more northbound route from Qatar and Saudi Arabia via Syria and Turkey. Having realized that the stalled Nabucco pipeline, and indeed the entire Southern Corridor, are backed up only by Azerbaijan’s reserves and can never equal Russian supplies to Europe or thwart the construction of the South Stream, the West is in a hurry to replace them with resources from the Persian Gulf. Syria ends up being a key link in this chain, and it leans in favor of Iran and Russia; thus it was decided in the Western capitals that its regime needs to change. The fight for «democracy» is a false flag thrown out to cover up totally different aims.
It is not difficult to notice that the rebellion in Syria began to grow two years ago, almost at the same time as the signing of a memorandum in Bushehr on June 25, 2011 regarding the construction of a new Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline… It is to stretch 1500 km from Asaluyeh on the largest gas field in the world, North Dome/South Pars (shared between Qatar and Iran) to Damascus. The length of pipeline on the territory of Iran will be 225 km, in Iraq 500 km, and in Syria 500-700 km. Later it may be extended along the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea to Greece. The possibility of supplying liquefied gas to Europe via Syria's Mediterranean ports is also under consideration. Investments in this project equal 10 billion dollars. Now the eight facts.

(1)This pipeline, dubbed the «Islamic pipeline», was supposed to start operation in the period from 2014 to 2016. Its projected capacity is 110 million cubic meters of gas per day (40 billion cubic meters a year). Iraq, Syria and Lebanon have already declared their need for Iranian gas (25-30 million cubic meters per day for Iraq, 20-25 million cubic meters for Syria, and 5-7 million cubic meters until 2020 for Lebanon). Some of the gas will be supplied via the Arab gas transportation system to Jordan. Experts believe that this project could be an alternative to the Nabucco gas pipeline being promoted by the European Union (with a planned capacity of 30 billion cubic meters of gas per year), which doesn't have sufficient reserves. It was planned to run the Nabucco pipeline from Iraq, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan through the territory of Turkey. At first Iran was also considered as a resource base, but later it was excluded from the project. After the signing of the memorandum on the Islamic Pipeline, the head of the National Iranian Gas Company (NIGC), Javad Oji, stated that South Pars, with recoverable reserves of 16 trillion cubic meters of gas, is a «reliable source of gas, which is a prerequisite for the building of a pipeline which Nabucco does not have».It is easy to observe that about 20 billion cubic meters per year will remain from this pipeline for Europe, which would be able to compete with Nabucco's 30 billion, but not the 63 billion from the South Stream.
A gas pipeline from Iran would be highly profitable for Syria. Europe would gain from it as well, but clearly someone in the West didn't like it. The West's gas-supplying allies in the Persian Gulf weren't happy with it either, nor was would-be no. 1 gas transporter Turkey, as it would then be out of the game. The new «unholy alliance» which formed between them shamelessly declared its goal to be «protecting democratic values» in the Middle East, although logically speaking the U.S. and its allies ought to begin this with their own partners in the coalition against Syria from among the monarchies of the Persian Gulf, which are questionable in this regard.
The Sunnite countries also see the Islamic Pipeline from the viewpoint of interconfessional contradictions, considering it a «Shiite pipeline from Shiite Iran through the territory of Iraq with its Shiite majority and into the territory of Shiite-friendly Alawite Asad». As renowned researcher on energy issues F. William Engdahl writes, this geopolitical drama is intensified by the fact that the South Pars field lies in the Persian Gulf directly on the border between Shiite Iran and Sunnite Qatar. But tiny Qatar, which is no match for Iran in power, makes active use of its connections with the military presence of the U.S. and NATO in the Persian Gulf. On the territory of Qatar are a command node of the Pentagon's Central Command of the U.S. Armed Forces, the headquarters of the Head Command of the U.S. Air Force, the No. 83 Expeditionary Air Group of the British Air Force and the 379th Air Expeditionary Wing of the U.S. Air Force. Qatar, in Engdahl's opinion, has other plans for its share in the South Pars gas field and is not eager to join efforts with Iran, Syria and Iraq. It is not at all interested in the success of an Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline, which would be completely independent of the transit routes of Qatar or Turkey leading to Europe. In fact, Qatar is doing all it can to thwart the construction of the pipeline, including arming the «opposition» fighters in Syria, many of whom come from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Libya.

(2) Qatar's resolve is fed by the discovery by Syrian geological exploration companies in 2011 of Syria's own large gas-producing area near the Lebanese border, not far from the Mediterranean port of Tartus which Russia leases, and the detection of a significant gas field near Homs. According to preliminary estimates, these discoveries should substantially increase the country's gas reserves, which previously amounted to 284 billion cubic meters. The fact that the export of Syrian or Iranian gas to the European Union could take place through the port of Tartus, which has ties to Russia, is unsatisfactory to Qatar and its Western patrons as well.

(3) The Arabic newspaper Al-Akhbar cites information according to which there is a plan approved by the U.S. government to create a new pipeline for transporting gas from Qatar to Europe involving Turkey and Israel. The capacity of such a pipeline is not mentioned, but considering the resources of the Persian Gulf and Eastern Mediterranean region, it could exceed that of both the Islamic Pipeline and Nabucco, directly challenging Russia's South Stream. The main developer of this project is Frederick Hoff, who is «in charge of gas issues in the Levant» and a member of the U.S. «Syrian Crisis Committee». This new pipeline is to begin in Qatar, cross Saudi territory and then the territory of Jordan, thus bypassing Shiite Iraq, and reach Syria. Near Homs the pipeline is to branch in three directions: to Latakia, Tripoli in northern Lebanon, and Turkey. Homs, where there are also hydrocarbon reserves, is the «project's main crossroads», and it is not surprising that it is in the vicinity of this city and its «key», Al-Qusayr, that the fiercest fighting is taking place. Here the fate of Syria is being decided. The parts of Syrian territory where detachments of rebels are operating with the support of the U.S., Qatar and Turkey, that is, the north, Homs and the environs of Damascus, coincide with the route that the pipeline is to follow to Turkey and Tripoli, Lebanon. A comparison of a map of armed hostilities and a map of the Qatar pipeline route indicates a link between armed activities and the desire to control these Syrian territories. Qatar's allies are trying to accomplish three goals: «to break Russia's gas monopoly in Europe; to free Turkey from its dependence on Iranian gas; and to give Israel the chance to export its gas to Europe by land at less cost».
(4) As Asia Times analyst Pepe Escobar indicated, the Emir of Qatar apparently made a deal with the «Muslim Brotherhood» according to which it will support their international expansion in exchange for a pact of peace within Qatar. A «Muslim Brotherhood» regime in Jordan and in Syria, supported by Qatar, would abruptly change the entire geopolitical world gas market – decidedly in favor of Qatar and to the detriment of Russia, Syria, Iran and Iraq. It would also be a crushing blow to China.

(5) The war against Syria is aimed at pushing this project through, as well as at the breakdown of the agreement between Tehran, Baghdad and Damascus. Its implementation has been halted several times due to military action, but in February 2013 Iraq declared its readiness to sign a framework agreement which would enable the construction of the pipeline. (6) It is worth noting that after this, more and more new groups of Iraqi Shiites have risen up in support of Asad; as The Washington Post admits, they have «no little battle experience» in confronting Americans in their country. Along with fighters from Lebanon's Hezbollah, they make an ever more formidable force.

(7) The stakes in the «elimination game» started in Syria by the West over the gas pipeline continue to grow. The end of the European Union's embargo on supplying weapons to the Syrian opposition, which according to the BBC the majority of EU member countries were against

( So-called (democracy, where are you?), might not be able to help the rebels.


Now one can see the reasons why the US-led coalition have practically not be bombing ISIS as they claimed, but rather targeting the Assad regime - the endgame being to remove assad, thus eliminating the threat and paving the way for their own gas objectives. While on the other hand, Russia can't let it happen and so have stepped into the conflict in the battle to save it economic future for the long term; thus, the all out war against ISIS, which is only a secondary reason, the primary objective being to mentain the status quo as it relates to Russia's gas position with Europe, by ensuring the survival of the Assad's government, thus consequently keeping alive the Iranian, Iraq and Syrian pipeline postion.

Finally, you can now see why Russia won't borther about Turkey's cheap blackmail.

What a game brother!

And we can only pary fro the sake of humanity that the wrong cards should not be played by some fools.

The Russian cruise missiles travelled accross Iran and Iraq to get to their destinatons in Syria. And i was forced to askl: What warrant such a show of military might? Well, i have to answer my self that, By the Use of cruise missiles, Russia is sending the clear message to the west, " we can do sh*t as well ".

Meanwhile, Assad forces have carried out a massive counter attack backed by Russian air power.

And as the US-led west and its enslaved media covens continue to run their smearing campaign of how Russia strikes is killing only civilians and targeting so called moderate rebels, the Russian Defense Ministry per Igor Konashenkov, has hit back at such claims by accusing the US-led coalition for deliberately refusing to strike ISIS targets. And it further said that either the US-led side do not have the co-ordinates or simply does not want to strike at ISIS.

Meanwhile, the Syrian ambassador to Russia confirmed that just withing a week of Russia's overt involvement in Syria, about 40% of the terrorists installations have been destroyed, including a substantive number of the terrorists been killed.

http://sputniknews.com/world/20151006/1028083779/nato-russia-isil-syrian-opposition-airstrikes.html

Now you understand why the western wailings and ranting.

Russian warships are already lunching missiles from the sea against ISIS. The terrorists are being hammeered from all sides.

Of course, Purin ia the boss.

Tell them.

Good one, meanwhile, Russia warships are now luncching missele strikes against ISIS, with all hitting their targets so far.

anangboy:
Do you think Israel was crazy enough to plant bombs in American and British owned assets in 'Operation Susannah', so that it would seem that these actions were conducted by Egyptian rebels? Surely the Israelis would have been crazy enough to attack and sink the USS Liberty naval ship in 1967 and so many other subtle attacks that mankind might never know.

Israel considers Obama pro-palestine and the worst president America has had in 30yrs. The nuclear deal with Iran compounded that view and Netanyahu didn't mince words in his UN address. Israel is probably propping for a Republican US president.

Now, Israel is wary of Russia's involvement in Syria. NATO's bluntness in defeating ISIL leads to many conjectures. It is common sense to assume that if the Arab nations are in some sort of peace then Israel's stability could be severly tested and Russia's stay in Syria stunts Israel's regional hegemon and capacity to project power in the Middle East.

This is just a haphazard rundown of events but do you think some paranoid Israeli generals have not thought of using their advanced capability in subterfuge warfare to maintain some sort of western militarisation in the Middle East?

I got your points and the situation Isreal finds itself currently in the wake of the Iranian nuclear deal and the Syrian crisis vis Russian involvement. No doubt about it; Israel has been a regional hegemon for decades, ever since the Camp David accords neutralized Egypt as a significant player in the Levant. Since 1979, Israel has had complete freedom of military movement in this region. It took advantage of its new hegemony to invade Lebanon in 1982 and to occupy 10% of that country for 18 years. But following the quick succession of recent events like the Iranian nuclear deal and Russia entry into the war against ISIS in Syria, the dynamics for Isreal as it relate to its hitherto unchallenged power within the MidEast, has changed drastically and dramatically. For instance, prior to Russia's direct intervention in Syria, Isreal practically had a field day flying in and out of Syrian airspace more than 10 times, bombing targets with relative ease. But because Russia came into Syria, Israel had to come to an agreement with Moscow about Israeli F-16s attacking convoys and other targets of Hizbullah in Syria. This implies that Isreal understands the unintended possibility of killing Russian Advisers in Syria and the undisputable backlash and consequencies that would surely follow. This no Egypt, Syrians or Palestinians you can target at will and nothing will happen. This is RUSSIA - Georgia and Ukraine have the testimonial certificates to this fact! Hence, the need for the Isreali coordination with Russia.
The coordination worked out between Israel and Russia some how clips Israel's wings, denying it the prerogative of entering Syrian airspace at will and striking unilaterally. However, it does not implies that the IDF can not on the long defend it's interest relating to Syria, but such must now take into consideration the presence and positions of the Rujssians. The Russians body language is very clear. They will not take shit from any body. We saw how six Russian fighters confronted their Isreali counterparts last week on Syrian airspace, and the F16s were forced to turn back from their course. So, i don't see Isreal covertly or overtly sabotaging any efforts of the Russians, particularly as it does not directly affect their larger and strategic interest in the Region. Besides, they already knew that Russia is seeing everything and the place is too close to home. Not forgeting also that the Isrealis may have concluded that a prolonged Syrian war will keep Iran deeply involved and Hezbollah bugged down, giving Isreal the breathing space to go about other areas of interest the region.
It is also possible that Russia might also help to tramp down on weapons shipment to Hezbollah, depending on the nature of the coordination Isreal now have with Russia. You never can tell, this is politics. And lastly, Russia's presence and intervention in Syria is strategic and is limited to certain objectives - of which the ultimate is to stand up against American dictatorship, not to challenge Isreal's regional hegemony nor to mentain a permanent foothold in the region.
I believe Isreali policy makers and top strategists might have contemplated such possibilities, hence, i don't see them wanting to start a cowboy riding especially when they know the enemy is more than capable of not just riding but also can shoot as well.

That is erdogan and turkey for you. Quarrel today, do business tomorow. They don't give a dime what the US think.

you see it? Whether dumb or smart, it depends on the overall objective and the target in view. That is just it.

anangboy:
Or will the Israeli Special Ops shoot down Russian or American plane to instigate it?

Chess not checkers.

Isreal are not that crazy to do such a thing.

Angelou:
exactly!! My support for russia in the international community isn't driven by their respect for gender equality or other aspects in which the hegemon is ahead of them, but rather due to their respect for the notion that every country should be entitled to her supreme sovereignty and shouldn't be puppeteered by greedy power hungry capitalists under the shameful guise of economic adventurism and humitarian(demonic ) activities

Exactly my points and reasons for standing with Russia. That is just it. The US led empire must stop dictating and imposing their sick thoughts and ways on the rest of the world. Afterall, Like Mugabe, " we are not gays "!

Nigerdeltaboi:
hahahaha no show for yankee

I dey tell You Their fowl don lay cook egg tire for Warri

Angelou:
Appleyard and nairaminted seems to love Russia passionately.. Anyway it's high time the bear stops US from their neo-colonialistic policies in the middle east and north africa

I am always wondering whenever i read comments like this as in, " why don't people see that alot of us folks does't love Russia like Mad, but we are routing for her and her likes because they are the only nations that wants the status quo of multi-polarism of the world order to remain, as against the hegemonic quest of the Empire at the other side of the divide. People love Russia and her likes for standing up against the US global terror riding on a train of demons-possessed foreign policy dictated by econommic greed and adventurism that has enslaved many nations and people; not because Russia, China etc, are the best of nations. Far from it.

You only need to look aside the MSM and see how people are reacting and praising God in places like London, the MidEast and all over Africa since Russia started its campaign in Syria. That is to tell you we are not alone here on NairaLand. The whole world is sick of the US and its allies behavior outside their borders. That is the truth.
And like you said, it high time somebody stands up to them, and that is exactly what the Russians are doing.

Tkester:
Dey no born dem well,

You think say na film trick we dey so?
A trial will convince them.

You have said it all!

No producer for hollywood go gree touch this one.

Henry120:
The Russians have been using both smart and dumb munitions in their campaign against terrorists in Syria.

The video image from the first strike(s) the Russians released was from a drone.

There are multiple videos of Russians PGM strikes in Syria.


Over 1,500 coalition airstrikes in the little town of kobani leaves a lot to be desired of the effectiveness of western airstrikes.


Russian SU-24 jet with KH-25 laser-guided missiles ready to
be used in Syria.


"Photo evidence clearly shows a Fencer with a KH-25"...... You were saying?

She was saying the same thing: both dumb and smart bombs.

And your own clear like DVD!

Tkester:
Nonsense, prove him wrong!
If you don't have anything meaningful, abeg park well joor.

Brother, there are always two sides to a coin, so let him be.

Missy89:
Appleyard is an extremist. We will come for him soon .

His hate for anything western is clouding his judgement. The article may be biased but it is very factual. The Russians have been dropping dumb bombs from their fencers and frog-foots since day one!. Although they have been using smart bombs as well on their SU-30s

Whatever Mrs shymm3x. Am not an extremist like you think, nor that i hate anything western. Far from it. But when you are a truthseeker and one who loves humanity like me, you will then understand how disgusting it is to see some diabolically motivated few persons trying to shape and control the world you lived in just because they want their own thought and ways to be the sole model for the entire globe. The same free world God created for us all. Point of fact! Anybody clapping for a terrorist and a muderer like the US, is himself a terrorist and a murderer. And if standing up to such sheer terror, deception and hypocrisy, meant being tagged an extremist, then i will gladly accept such and rejoice thereafter within the freedom of my conscious soul. But if anyone wants to come for me for being a " righteous extremist ," then such must be adequately prepared because i would be sitting in the lofty height of my PAK T50 FA, co-ordinating with my homie, Cyprus000, in his Alienic Armata T14 located in the Sambisa forest of kaleningrad, where we take no prisoner of zombiefication.

And what is factual about the article? Are every bomb use in conflicts always the guided types?;-/ Is the US not using such bombs even as at present? Now, that is the problem with the article! Bias to the core. Abi na precision guided Obomber them take bomb Kunduz Hospital and Yemeni wedding party, huh? ;-/

Besides, i never said Russia was only using precision guided bombs, nor did i deny their use of so called " Dumb Bombs ". What i was trying to say is that the US and Its Allies were painting it in such a way that makes it look as if Russia is the only nation using such bombs; or is using only bombs from the 1960s era. This is a battle of disinformation and reinformation, hence, we can't afford to leave any stone unturn. You were correct when yolu said Russia was using both dumb and smart Bombs, but the west position emphasized and insinuated only the use of Dumb bombs by the Russians, which is just in furthereance of the current misinformation and smearing been perpetuated by the hegemon enslaved media covens.
If it isn't the US, no one can use dumb bombs. Nonesense! Why are they not covering the US bombing of Hospital in Kundus- Afghanistan, or the Yemenis wedding party bombing by Saudis jets under the tutorlage of American instructors? Just do a Google search on these crimes against humanity and see if most of these big boys media bodies reported or followed up with such stories. Prescision guided bombs my foot.

The US-led West is making noise out of similar issues they have been involved in both past and present. Is just a case of the pot calling the kettle black. And besides, no one expect them to be happy, given the fact that a man that steps in to a fight within days is already yielding results, the same fight the US claim to be fighting for over a year now with nothing to show for it. So it is expected that they will come out with guns of character assassination blazing at any given opportunity.

Pathetic losers!

CSTR2:
Yeah, the usual anti-western rhetoric.
Continue.

Yeah! Amd there is a life line for those still living in the shadows of hollyweird zombiefication to come out from slavery

Meanwhile Mpre bad market for US.

Russia does not discriminate between the different shades of 'crap' (terrorists)
Fort Russ :

Russia does not discriminate between the different shades of 'crap' (terrorists)

VG-News.ru
Translated by K. Rus
Russia tightly shut the sky over Syria for any aircraft, except its own
American military expert, a former Colonel of the U.S. army Jack Jacobs said that the United States can't interfere with Russians in Syria, as Russia de facto set up a no-fly zone, cutting off access to any aircraft with the help of air defense systems deployed on land and on ships of the Russian navy in the Mediterranean.
In the Saudi paper on Friday, October 2 appeared an interview with former U.S. Colonel Jack Jacobs, who announced that the United States can't stop the Russians in Syria, as Russia has set up a no-fly zone.. This means that any military aircraft entering the combat zone, may be immediately shot down as a threat to the Russian airspace forces.
American sources claim that the Russian Federation with the assistance of deployed land-based air defense systems have established a no-fly zone over the entire airspace of Syria, in addition the approaches to the Russian airbase in Latakia are also closed from the sea to a distance of 100-250 km from the coast by the Russian navy, now conducting exercises in the Mediterranean sea.
Thus, the U.S. and its allies can't even carry out the air reconnaissance of the Russian Federation forces.
A source in military circles of the American military in Turkey reported that NATO aircraft, trying to get close to the forces of the Russian Federation,has been identified by radar, and the source of the radar could not even be traced.
"The Russians have indicated that they can see everything, and getting closer is not worth it, otherwise it will be shot down", - said the American military.
"Frankly we were surprised by the air defense system of Russia, most likely there are the latest systems S-400. I have no other ideas," - said Colonel Jack Jacobs.
About Russians creating a no-fly zone over Syria also writes Bloombeg, citing a senior American military officer. The commander of the NATO forces in Europe General Philip Breedlove said that the new military infrastructure of Russia in Syria, including air defense systems, de facto creates a no-fly zone.
According to Breedlove, Russia has created over Syria,a "sphere of negation", which American planes can't enter.
General Breedlove believes that "very complex air defense system" deployed by Russia in Syria is aimed not against the "Islamic state", which does not have aviation. "They are against someone else," said the commander of the NATO forces in Europe.
"After several years of discussion in the U.S.of plans to create no-fly zones in Syria to protect the rebels and civilians, appeared Vladimir Putin and in a few days established his own no-fly zone.
In the US the two parties argued for a long time and could not agree, about a no-fly zone, and Putin just went ahead and did it," sarcastically said the author of the article on Bloomberg.
The Pentagon has admitted the scale of the Russian no-fly zone in Syria, when it began negotiations with Russia on how to avoid conflicts in the conduct of their air operations.
Discussion between the military of the two countries was conducted on October 1 via a closed video channel, and lasted about an hour. On the American side in the negotiations participated the assistant Secretary of Defense for international security Elyssa Slotkin.
"The discussion was devoted to how the U.S. and Russia can cooperate on the prevention of conflict in Syria. Such discussions will continue," - said following the talks, the official White house spokesman Josh Ernest.
It is also known that Elissa Slotkin expressed in the negotiations concern that Russia is striking not only the militants of the "Islamic state" but other groups of terrorists, which the US considers "moderate opposition to Assad" and supports them.
The response of the representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry is unclear, but apparently, the general sense was that "We can not discriminate between the different shades of 'crap'. So we will hammer everyone who shoots at the soldiers of the legitimate government of Syria, at whose request we are here".
And the Americans had to accept it. Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook said that the U.S. government will not use U.S. air power to protect the "moderate rebels".
Apparently the "goodwill", shown by the United States compromising with Russia, is not exactly "good", but is caused by a complete fiasco of the U.S. armed forces, which in the last 20 years bombed only the 'Papuans' and forgot what it was like to deal with real high-tech adversary armed with modern sea and air defense systems.
And now the Americans are just lost because they do not know how to behave with those who are able to realistically fight back.
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NaijaTalkTown:
Is Washington willing to shoot down Russian planes?

That is, if they want to trigger WW3.

NaijaTalkTown:
Raqqa has been a stronghold of ISIS for two years now, yet no single US-led coalition operation was carried out in the region.

What else do you expect. Thats the United States of Hypocrisy.

psucc:
Russia should watch her back for possible attack by those Islamic fugitives.

Of course so. Thats exactly what she is doing now.