Missy89: The S300 missile is yet to see actual combat. It hasn't shot down a single paper apart from Videos on YouTube Great performance in exercises however But NATO wont break a sweat penetrating it in a real SEAD mission. Remember, Slovakia Air Force ( a NATO member) are currently deploying few batteries of the same weapon.
The New Versions might be more sophisticated. But So far the capability is all on paper
I agree that the capability as we know it is all down to black and white, (since it is yet to be fully battle tested,) but you will agree with me that it's widely acclaimed capability is strictly based on its specifications vis others of its type accross the fence. Also, history is always on the side of the Russians in weapon technology, particularly in the rocket/missile department, where in, they are as effective, if not more than capable as those of their western counterparts. Both of us knows that to be true, missy. And pls stop towing that baby-sitter western line of NATO won't break a sweat in dealing with it. If Isreal, with a formidable airforce, is virtually on all fours scrubbing Putin's toilet not to sell it to Syria, it goes a long way to show that that piece of iron has teeth. And don't forget Isreal and such other players on the other side have their secret services and intelligence experts that analyses such issues with recommendations that forms the bulk of defence, military and strategic intelligence and orientation, which equally goes along way in aggregating and determining the frame works of foreign and domestic policy formulation, as it relates to national security interest and strategic intergrity. And we can agree that such intelligence views, infos. Beliefs and perceptions, as held by those whom the cap fit, goes way beyond what we or others out side the real game holds to be facts or asbsolute.
We must always remember that he who wears the shoe knows were it pinches the most.
Thus, Isreal's out cry and pressure on Moscow to that effect, is the testimonial certificate of the S-300 capability.:p
And we haven't even consider the S-400, and S-500 waiting on the wheels. You can imagine the outrage if Russia is to sell such to Syria or Lebanon. Netan-yahoo would be swinging his murderous-dick rage in assymetrical proportion - the end game: Palestinian mass murdering.
MeandSum: Let's start with one caveat: everything the Russian fire fails 20% of the time so,with that in mind, you don't need the Americans or Germans to confirm it failed. You can take it to the bank that it failed.
For the uninitiated, I leave you with a video of one of such fails (the S-300 missile).
" You don't need them to prove that it failed "? The way some of you reason is beyond pathetic. They don't need to prove anything to you, the same US that was getting it's evidence from " social media " in the afternath of the MH17 shooting over Ukraine, yet they are suppose to have the best satellite in orbit? Obama should really be pleased with your likes. It shows money spent on misinformation is not wasted.:
You said 20%, Huh? I never knew you were the US Russian test monitor officer, good job you have there.: What even make you think the US will have the real info and location of the said crashed missiles and won't make them public, given the level of acrimony between the two nations regarding Syria? There are times i think of some of you guys and wonder how such you can't even sieve the truth from the web of misinformation using common sense, especially when the facts are so glaring. Common sense should have help you understand that the US would have been out in the open with the footage and actual location of the said crash if it was actually true. Honestly, i feel disappointed in some of you guys. We shoudn't be fallen for such blatant propaganda, either from both sides.
Tell me; which nation have used the s-300 in battle and it failed? Or were you refering to the testing phase? Do i need to remind you how many weapons of the US have failed in both test phase and actual usage? How so-called prescision guided missiles and bombs had left their courses and killed untold people in warfare, and later you hear them saying " a bomb went off course?" How do you interprete that, homie? Or Must i hit ya head against bricks to help you remembered the US F-117 Stealth Bomber that was shot down by ordinary Serbian forces using an out dated old Soviet SAM; how about that for a failure, gringoo?
If you can not fathom such a low grade, amateur propaganda regarding the purported crashed missles, I don't have to wonder why you can't differentiate between test-phase and actual use of a weapon like the s-300 sh1t video you posted.
The same weapon that Isreal is practically begging Puting not to sell to Syria.
CSTR2: The F-35 is a victim of its sophistication. The russians don't have anything like it yet. Anyway, those issues are currently being resolved. Btw, i see you smartly ignored the F-22, another 5G fighter.
Thank God you know the real deal as regarding the F35. The F22 Raptor is already in obsolete mode by virtue of the S-400. And beside, both the F22 and F25 are already lagging behind the PAK-50 FA that will soon enter service. Have that in mind.
My God! Has madness actually taken over in the Upper echelon of leadership? If this news to shoot down Russian Pilots is true, it means the West/the UK is actually preparing for a hot war with Russia. And if the Royal Airforce thinks it can actually shoot down Russian planes and expect nothing to happen, it means sanity accross the western hemisphere has disappeared from their sense of reasoning; and i can assure you that the RAF would then become a "Regeretable Air Force ".
MeandSum: the US use DSP which is part of their "Early Warning System". These are groups of satellites which sole purpose is to monitor missile launches. Just like your google map, but in high resolution and real time
The DSP system is old (I believe around 40 years) and they've created like 4 generations after that.
Unfortunately, I can't remember the name of the latest one they're using but it allows them to monitor battlefield missile launches in real time (with or without ground radar) with accuracy down to mm.
Yet they coluld not produce any footage to that effect? What a joke.
Shymm3x: You'd agree with me that a lot of Poles were nazis themselves, hence the highest number of Jews were killed on Polish soil and Polish Jews were the most affected Jews during holocaust. Poland itself also tried to annex part of Czech's territory and Belarussia. And wasn't war mongering US president Franklin Roosevelt the reason why negotiations between Poland and everyone failed? Didn't the Poles also kill tons of ethnic Russia in Belarussia? Still right side of history for defending folks who're ethnically part of ya country against aggression.
Every student of history who has been able to study the events that led to world war 2 objectively knows that Hitler started the war as a war of necessity, due to The Treaty of Versailles, then went overboard. And the Soviets weren't the only ones - Stalin signed non aggression pact with Hitler, just as both the UK and France tried to sign the same non aggression pact with Germany. The only difference is that both failed. The Treaty of Versailles started world war 2 and Stalin might be right. How many civilian planes have the US shot down for no reason? Too many to count. Heck, even the one they claimed was shot down by Libya, Pan Am Flight 103, was most likely shot down by the US or they planted explosive on the plane cos it was a false flag. And MH17 was shot down by the rogues in Kiev supported by the US. Not saying Russia doesn't do any wrong - but come up with better examples. RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY vs. WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY.
But Khrushchev did defend Egypt from foreign invasion, while the US supported the invasion, no? Whatever he did in Hungary has no bearing here since Hungary back then was part of the Eastern bloc, since the US did the same all over Latin America during the same period.
I honestly don't think most folks care about the US too tough to envy the country apart from African American culture - mostly via music and urban fashion - sports, and Hollywood. The US just likes to get people talking with unnecessary killings and bombings everywhere. When bombs go off anywhere, you know the yanks are there. Why? Can't we live in peace on the planet cos some new country by virtue of the old cultures self-destruction got hold of some fancy big toys and decided to start disturbing the peace of everyone everywhere?
I shall leave you with words from George Kennan, the great American hero, before he passed away (R.I.P Great man):
His voice is a bit frail now, but the mind, even at age 94, is as sharp as ever. So when I reached George Kennan by phone to get his reaction to the Senate's ratification of NATO expansion it was no surprise to find that the man who was the architect of America's successful containment of the Soviet Union and one of the great American statesmen of the 20th century was ready with an answer.
''I think it is the beginning of a new cold war,'' said Mr. Kennan from his Princeton home. ''I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else. This expansion would make the Founding Fathers of this country turn over in their graves. We have signed up to protect a whole series of countries, even though we have neither the resources nor the intention to do so in any serious way. [NATO expansion] was simply a light-hearted action by a Senate that has no real interest in foreign affairs.''
''And Russia's democracy is as far advanced, if not farther, as any of these countries we've just signed up to defend from Russia,'' said Mr. Kennan, who joined the State Department in 1926 and was U.S. Ambassador to Moscow in 1952. ''It shows so little understanding of Russian history and Soviet history. Of course there is going to be a bad reaction from Russia, and then [the NATO expanders] will say that we always told you that is how the Russians are -- but this is just wrong.''
One only wonders what future historians will say. If we are lucky they will say that NATO expansion to Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic simply didn't matter, because the vacuum it was supposed to fill had already been filled, only the Clinton team couldn't see it. They will say that the forces of globalization integrating Europe, coupled with the new arms control agreements, proved to be so powerful that Russia, despite NATO expansion, moved ahead with democratization and Westernization, and was gradually drawn into a loosely unified Europe. If we are unlucky they will say, as Mr. Kennan predicts, that NATO expansion set up a situation in which NATO now has to either expand all the way to Russia's border, triggering a new cold war, or stop expanding after these three new countries and create a new dividing line through Europe.
And what was America's response? It was to expand the NATO cold-war alliance against Russia and bring it closer to Russia's borders.
Yes, tell your children, and your children's children, that you lived in the age of Bill Clinton and William Cohen, the age of Madeleine Albright and Sandy Berger, the age of Trent Lott and Joe Lieberman, and you too were present at the creation of the post-cold-war order, when these foreign policy Titans put their heads together and produced . . . a mouse.
We are in the age of midgets. The only good news is that we got here in one piece because there was another age -- one of great statesmen who had both imagination and courage.
wristbangle: Honestly when people rant Russia will overthrow USA in terms of combat, I Shake my head.
Here is a comparison between Russia SU-30SM and the almost outgoing America F22 Raptor during this current ISIS crisis
Russia has deployed at least four advanced Sukhoi Su-30SM Flankers to its base near Latakia, Syria. The jets are the latest in a series of Russian deployments to the war-torn Arab nation that includes tanks, armored personnel carriers, heavy artillery and a sizable infantry contingent.
While Russian forces in the region are probably there to support Bashar al-Assad’s beleaguered regime against ISIS, without careful coordination with U.S. and allied forces operating in the region, there is a real danger of an inadvertent confrontation. That is why U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter made sure to call his Russian counterpart Sergei Shoygu to make certain that U.S. and Russian forces don’t accidentally find themselves in conflict. “The secretary and the minister talked about areas where the United States and Russia's perspectives overlap and areas of divergence,” states a Pentagon release. The timing of the call was slightly awkward because the Flankers showed up in Syria just hours after the conversation.
For Russia, selecting the Su-30SM for the Syrian operation is a logical choice. The aircraft can carry a hefty payload and it has excellent range. Moreover, it offers the flexibility to carry out air-to-air and air-to-ground missions. That means it doesn’t need a separate fighter escort. Further, the aircraft has a second crewmember, which is helpful for complex missions. That’s why the U.S. Air Force’s F-15E Strike Eagle and the U.S. Navy’s F/A-18F Super Hornet, which are in many respects the Su-30SM’s direct analogues, have two aviators onboard.
While the Russian deployment is significant in shoring up the Assad regime, in the unlikely event of a confrontation with U.S forces, a handful of Su-30s would not last long against the overwhelming odds they would face. U.S. forces in the region have a host of advanced fighters available to them—the most potent of which is the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor. Moreover, the U.S. forces in the region far outnumber the Russian forces.
While the Su-30SM is a very capable fourth generation fighter, it stands no chance against the Raptor—especially in a beyond visual range engagement. Purely on hardware terms, the Raptor has an advantage on every metric except range and payload. The F-22’s combination of stealth and sensors means that the Russian aircraft would likely be destroyed before they had any idea they were being targeted. During regular training exercises in the United States, a group of four F-22s will have to practice against as many as twenty “enemy” aircraft in order to get any useful training accomplished.
My brother, war no be moi moi o. What makes you think the Russians don't have an answer to the F-22? Advance radars makes stealth technology-based fighters obsolete. It is similar stealth plane fighter of the US the Serbs shot down with an outdated SAM. How about that for thought?
ttmacoy: For all those praising Putin, remember he also has his agenda which is to keep his fiend Assad in power and maintain Russian influence in the region.
Everyone of the super powers involved here have their agenda and the elimination of ISIS unfortunately is secondary to that. What pains me the most is it's the ordinary Syrians who will suffer the mot not Russians or Americans.
One thing I worry the most about with Putin's arrogance of firing missiles across countries air space such as Iran etc is one little mistake and he can trigger a war. Imagine if an Isreali, Turkish or Iranian jet or city is mistakenly hit, what do you thin will happen? Very dangerous games he is playing.
While it is easy to say Putin is taking action against ISIS etc, the question is is he really taking action against ISIS or against opponents to Assad?
For those saying they admire Putin etc, be careful who you wish to be.
CSTR2: The US have released two 5G aircrafts, the F-22 and F-35 many years ago. The russians cannot counter that yet. Very soon, the US would move to 6G.
If you don't have anything important to say, stop trolling around here. How many years did you thinkl these planes have been? Are you even mentioning the F-35 that is clouded with alot of malfunctioning, with the latest being it can snap the neck of its pilot when ejecting?
Emzyme: Missy89....I have got a feeling u ar on life support courtesy d us....am I ryt D only TV station u watch is CNN,BBC...ryt again Grow up pls.... And once again am sure u would b happy to knw ur application has been approved CIA/Jihadist Training Dear sir/ma Your application dated 5/7/56. B.C has been granted...u ar to proceed to maiduguri left for extraction...it is also important to knw that once u step into syria u ar at risk frm russian missile frm air.....ss30 from sea..min essence we the C.I.A cannot guarantee your safety anymore... Isis Hq Let's see Hus playing catch up here
Missy89, all these people go kill you oo. Wetin you do na
The world would be a safer place, with less terrorists. They were planning to train more Jihadists and give them weapons. These folks are just heartless. Thank you, Russia.
When i first saw this on thje news, i was like, what tha hell! You want to such amount of money to do what? When bridges are collapsing in the US, cost of education increasing by the day and driving off the poor from schools, while the rich are getting richer, with your health care system rated below Morrocco and Slovenia... Men! I pity the unsuspecting Us citizens.
Shymm3x: That's why we need a bi-polar (multi-polar) world where one country won't have absolute powers. The US had its time after the collapse of the Soviet Union. What did it do? It destroyed world peace with bombs while masking it with humanitarian intervention. It also created all the Muslim fundamentalists inconjuction with Saudi Arabia and Qatar to make our lives miserable with war mongering. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, and now Syria with tens of millions dead and utter destruction everywhere. Some of these country will never recover from the utter destruction the US dealt on them. Evidently, if a next country is willing to come from the other side to put an end to the madness and create an atmosphere where vulnerable countries would be given cover from US' utter destruction and death squads under the banner of Jihadists - you just have to laud it. The whole world is behind Russia (based on public opinions) - from the UK (even the overwhelming majority of right-wing nutters), to Germany, to France, to Australia, to New Zealand, to Romania, to Czech, to Africa etc.. So he's the saviour from US' madness till proven otherwise. For how long are we going to be hiding from CIA created Islamists with people disturbing our lives with unnecessary surveillance and harassment at airport over false-flag?
Lmao! What NATO? I've never seen NATO deploy the Tomahawk missiles from over 1,000 miles. Just as the US has Patriot missiles, but we know the s300 is far superior to it. Ditto one-minute man vs. Topol. Please, don't compare a paper-tiger with the real deal. Yes, NATO has a far wider reach with quantity but Russia provides quality.
Well, I've never called Daily Beast a CIA mouthpiece. Matter of fact, I reference Daily Beast more often than any other US publication. Don't twist my words.
Anyway, how are ya Jihadist friends? I heard they're running for their lives now.
Shymm3x: Gooooo, Putin, goooooo. Emperor Putin...when I grow up, I want to be like you. Always ten steps ahead of them with balls of steel. Less talk, more action and when he talks - he talks with authority. The pride of Russia and the future saviour of the weak - he brought Russia from the brink under the drunkard Yeltsin to prosperity and turned the country into a super power again. What an icon!
Missy89 is hiding somewhere in a bunker. Don't worry, we shall send the Iskander missile to fish her out with pork since she is also now a Jihadist loool. Jihadists sympathisers are crying everywhere!
Babe2sure: I don't get it! Are some people doubting the capability of Russians to have weapons of mass destruction? Isn't it part of the reasons why it is part of the 5Super-power countries? All the 5Super-power countries can annihilate the world solely, with their weapons. I'm not aware they have been dropped from the list.
Yeah. But some people are calling them " thrird rate military ", one that the US is afraid to confront.
Tkester: The bolded is for those who think that the Russia's military is all about the information they get from CIA controlled media. Russia has got some badass weapons, doubt it to your own peril.
There is this misguided and warped belief, particularly in the west, that Russia lacks the capability to project power beyond its borders. Some have even argued that apart from nuclear weapons, the Kremlin does not have what it takes to strike targets outside it's immediate borderline. That is the price people pay when they become glued too much to " hollywitch, " as well as feeding too much from one source of information, to the extent that they become obesced, wallowing in complete darkness of western deception and misinformation. It is only an idi*t that would believe the US have one thing that Russia does't have, either in quality or similarity, or in outright deniability. And frankly, i don't think Pentagon is surprised regarding this show of might by the Russians, if they are, them i am truely disappointed with them because, Even a fool will understand that when the Soviet Union imploded, it was only the component states that left; all intelligence - brainworks, blueprints and technological know-how, were left (just like the nukes) intact at the CENTRE, which of course, is today RUSSIA. And we all know how capable the Soviet Union is. So, all those talk of Russia is a third-rate military power, can not project power beyond her borders, is way behind in capabilities, etc, is sheer stupidity borne out of overwelming zombiefication. It also shows how myopic people tends to be when it comes to Russian capability. The thing that surprise me the most is when the US would scream like a prostitute denied payment after service whenever the Russians put something new up in the skies, or comes out with something new, which ordinarily they should expect, given the technological history of Russia. There are times i truely wondered if it is bunch of uninformed clowns that occupies the Pentagon. Or should we say the problem is more of policy makers and intelligence gathering of the US-led West regarding Russia? Well, whatever it might be, the fact remains that the only real differencw between America and Russia when iot comes to armament, is in NUMERICS. Outside that, there is nothing new or that should be of surprise to both sides. And when it comes to Missle technology, America is still learning how to fix the screws, and is way back in kiddergarthen.
Complete propaganda. Was ISIS not supposed to be holding territory only in the Northern parts and far away from the so-called other groups fighting the Assad forces, all according to previous map zones released by the US and its MSM media goons? How come suddenlhy ISIS appear in Allepo or close to it? It all goes to show that there is nothing like the crap called " moderate rebels, " they are all terrorists under different accronyms, and now that they are recieving thorough beating, all they could do is propaganda. And this report didn't mention the two ISIS commanders killed in that air raid, as well as those now fleeing the country.
Pathetic how people can be seen wishing for the success of such murderers and butchers like ISIS.
We have expected to see this before, and am not surprised. But that has not stopped the rebels from surrendering the town or Raqqa recentlhy. The iar show is going to be their undoing,
According to a Syrian Army official, government forces have retaken the town of Baksa with the aid of Russian air support.
"The Syrian Army faced steep resistance from well-trained and experienced militants, who previously fought in Afghanistan and Iraq," General Samir Suleiman, political chief of the Syrian Army, told reporters.
"However, fearing Russian airstrikes, they abandoned Baksa."
The town was captured by Nusra Front militants in the beginning of August. A Russian airstrike three days ago destroyed an arms depot in Baksa, greatly damaging the militants' capabilities.
Suleiman also added that the bodies of approximately 40 civilians were found in the town, murdered by the terrorist group.
Roughly 140 sorties have been carried out by the Russian military since the Syria campaign began.
On Friday, the Russian Defense Ministry released video of airstrikes conducted against the self-proclaimed Islamic State terrorist group south of Tertiyah.
According to a Syrian Army official, government forces have retaken the town of Baksa with the aid of Russian air support.
"The Syrian Army faced steep resistance from well-trained and experienced militants, who previously fought in Afghanistan and Iraq," General Samir Suleiman, political chief of the Syrian Army, told reporters.
The town was captured by Nusra Front militants in the beginning of August. A Russian airstrike three days ago destroyed an arms depot in Baksa, greatly damaging the militants' capabilities.
Suleiman also added that the bodies of approximately 40 civilians were found in the town, murdered by the terrorist group.
Roughly 140 sorties have been carried out by the Russian military since the Syria campaign began.
On Friday, the Russian Defense Ministry released video of airstrikes conducted against the self-proclaimed Islamic State terrorist group south of Tertiyah.
I know Missy89 will most certainly not like this news. But Sorry missy is not your fault!
Good news to cheer about.
but please, i would like to correct an impression here: it is that, in as mush as Missy89 do argue with Shymm3x on certain issues, it doesn't implies that she is a US stooge or typically pro-west or Putin hater. No, far from it. So, those of us from the outside pouncing on her like thata especially when diverghing with Shymm3x, i must say, is not too fair. I understand how we all want the success of whomever is fighting this hordes of hell called ISIS. But the truth is, opposite or parralel views to some degree are always part of any analytical discourse. So, lets learn to respect each others view and stop provoking each other with abusive words. For this was one of the reasons shymm3x left the foreign affairs section for a very long time, so pls, lets not insult and discourage one another. Pls. Thank you all.
As for you, Shymm3x and Missy89, they way two of you seperately attacked klj14 or what, almost caused me to roll out of my bed in repulsive laughterD It goes to show that a third party should not meddle in the bedroom activities of Husband and Wife.
Missy89: That was sarcasm you might want to read my previous post to the same information
The thing with you Putin groupies is that you think you are immune from propaganda when you are in deep yourselves. So according to your logic, "Iran officials" is a credible source of Information and an "American official" is not? What is the difference between the two of them?
So when are you moving to Siberia?
Take it easy, missy. one don't have to move to Siberia just because he or she supports Putin. That i support Palestine for the women and children murdered by Isreali forces, does not imply i will prefer to live in Palestine.
Tkester: Something smells fishy! "at least four missiles crashed as they flew over Iran." And then in the next paragraph "It's unclear where in Iran the missiles landed. Wonder how they were so precise with the number of missles , while not having a clue where they landed.
Missy89: If 22 out of 26 hit their targets I dont think it is that bad considering this is the first time the weapon is used. That said, Russia is using Syria to test most of their new tactics and weapons. So yeah good point. Both side are really getting good at dishing out disinfo
Missy89: Isn't that Bush's excuse for invading Iraq?
A Russkie falling into captivity wont look to good for Putin and will be a propaganda win for the jihadist/media that is my point. Contrary to what you might want to believe, the minimal success i was talking about was actually reported by pro Assad/ Russian war journalist most of it is not even in the mainstream media on both sides.
Common, missy89, do you honestly expect MSM to report on such success, however minimal? Honestly, i doubt they will.
NairaMinted: Electronic jamming warfare by the Americans perhaps? Who knows? Those bas.ta.rds are capable of anything!
But the Kremlin have said nothing od such happened. Anyway, even if they happened as it is, it is only four out of the 26 fired at the first time that were affected. Besides, missiles of such nature do go astray at times. Even in Iraq and Afghan, it happened to the Americans, all missiles are not always expected to reach their destination-target. The thing that matters most is that, targets were hit in Syria. So, no shaking.
Shymm3x: Falling into captivity is part of war. How many US soldiers and special forces have been killed in Afghanistan? How about the countless number if aircrafts that have been destroyed including brazen attacks on US bases? Once they signed up for the offensive, they know there will be collateral damage, regardless of whatever PR propaganda tool it might be for the US and its media.
To Russians: it is better to fight the Islamists in Syria, while protecting their interests and projecting power - than wait for some of them to come knocking on Russia's door. These Islamists are death squads and they're tools for global destabilisation. In case you don't know, a lot of them also fought in Ukraine.
Yes, minimal success according to US media. But to the rest of the world - a lot of Islamists are leaving Syria en-masse and heading to Europe. The Alpha Group are landing in Syria soon - expect total wipe out. There should be a false flag as well.
Sire, that is one thing that has been knumbing my heart lately. That false flag issue. The Russians better get prepared. I don't think the US will just sit down and murmur continiously. Nah nah!
Missy89: My point is Russia's military success is too early to analyze even thou it looks promising so far. I will let the situation plays out for few more weeks. Putin's Fan boys are already declaring victory.
You are correct. Just too early to say uhuru. Now, i hear US is about re-enforcing the FSA.
Shymm3x: Lol. Missy sounds bitter. I know how it feels when billions wasted to train and fund death squads, terrorists, propaganda and utter destruction are destroyed by the "good guys" loool. You still haven't told what the mood of ya bosses in Fairfax county is right now, after seeing the evil Islamic empire they created get smashed to bits.
Yes, cruise missiles are more of a show off despite the effectiveness, no? The whole thing should be over in a matter of months - this isn't Afghanistan of the 90s with a Soviet doctrine that wasn't effective against asymmetry warfare. This is Putin's Russia with tons of servicemen who already fought in Chechnya. And Stinger missiles aren't effective against planes flying in high altitude.
Ride on Soulja! Russia will continue to allow America waste their tax payer money.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia’s New Mega-missile Stuns The Globe by Appleyard(m): 8:23pm On Oct 12, 2015
And don't forget Isreal and such other players on the other side have their secret services and intelligence experts that analyses such issues with recommendations that forms the bulk of defence, military and strategic intelligence and orientation, which equally goes along way in aggregating and determining the frame works of foreign and domestic policy formulation, as it relates to national security interest and strategic intergrity. And we can agree that such intelligence views, infos. Beliefs and perceptions, as held by those whom the cap fit, goes way beyond what we or others out side the real game holds to be facts or asbsolute.
