Underground: Nairaminted, Appleyard, Shymm3x, et al, keep the flag of truth and justice flying. Wow! It takes quite an effort to keep up with events as they unfold so fast but I must say I am enjoying the discourse (including yours Missy89, although I sense a bit of stubbornness and denial in your viewpoints) that you guys are engaging in.
Missy89: Highly unlikely. A single Russian casualty is a huge PR for The US and ISIS. There are many proxies to send first like the soldiers in the Donbass. Syria, Hezbollah and Iran will probably do most of the fighting for now
Well, the teleconference is more of a face-saving show by the US. The backlash is getting high by the hours. The American people back home and abroad are begining to question the US role in the whole Syrian bruhaha. They aint buying it any longer, not even the usual MSM steroetyping of Russia killing civilians. Is no longer working, hence the need to have this panick-mode teleconference (you don't just mess around with a nucluear armed power). The truth is, the US knows for sure that with Russia on the ground in Syria, it's plan for the country and the Middle East as it stand, is doom to fail. There is also the fear of possible clashes between the two super powers over the air in Syria, which could definitly lead to open confrontation. Again, the Yankees also need to save face especially now that most of it key players/allies are gradually shifting poles - seeing Russia as an indispensible player when it comes to any decision regarding Syria. France is inviting the Vladinator to address the EU paliament. Cameron is saying Russia's involvement in Syria is a good one. Melkel (though talking from both side of the mouth,) is now saying the Syrian issue can never be solve without Russia. Iraq is fed up with the US double standard, and is now sharing intelligence and coordinating with Russia over ISIS (so much for isolation). Iran is already on ground, any where Putin puts his foot, the Iranians will stick in their heads and butts; while China is tacitly warming up to openly join the fray with the Uyghurs and Xianjing province in Xi's mind, the N.Koreans may just be tempted to gain some international credibility and get some pound of flesh in revenge against the US, especially if Key ally, China, openly joins the blood party. The Serbs and CSTO members (in the event of things getting high up) are most likely to join the Putin gradually forming coalition-all in the name of fighting this hostis humanis generis (ISIS - an enemy of all mankind). And once China is openly involve in the conflict (which is becoming possible by the day), you can bet your money on it that most of, if not all of the entire SCO member states, would be seen throwing up planes and feets over Syria, not to mention that Syria is just a starting point for now. Soon it would be Iraq. Such is the powerful influnce of China and Russia in the geopolitical arena in the East and deeper parts of Asia.
And as it stands, the US has no virtual ally anymore regarding Syria (apart from Isreal, Saudis and Qatarist vassals), its European key allies are tired of the US, though they won't openly allude to it. But on the other hand, Russia's position is getting firmer and stronger, no matter how the MSM tries to paint it; couple with the Putin Rugged stance in his speech at the UN, the hand writing is very clear: Russia will never consider Assad defeat, and if anybody tries to bring that into reality, then he must first get past the Russians. And you know what that means, These much the US understands, and the sudden need to have this conference and military to military rapport with the only Nation that can reduce the continental US into a radioactive ash. No joking!
That Putin body language at the UN said it all.
The Russians will go tooth and nail all the way in Syria. The US military brass sees beyond kerry, and the white house foreign secretariat, and thjose bunch of misinformed lunatics aspiring for the White House.
The world is currently seating on a keg of thermo nuclear warfare vis any miscaculations in Syria.
Therefore, i am expecting some compromise to come from both sides, particularly from the Yankees side. They just have to let go the stupid temerity that Assad must go, otherwise, anything can happen. But i don't see any more meaningful outcome from this teleconference. Putin has already made his point known. Is now left for The US to compromise.
Men! Am cool! Was busy with some thing i now regret doing. Thank God am back. I can see your hand work so far. Can't help it clicking the Likes and Shares so far. Good work man. Keep it up.
And what is the e-wifey (Missy89) yarning? The Russia Duma is a Holy Cathedral compare to that Ghehazi-infested occultic Congress of the United States of Anarchy! Give them one Dollar each, and they will deny that Mexico shares the border with the US! There are no law makers in the US. What we have are money makers dancing in the shadows of Micheal Jackson's Thriller.
NaijaTalkTown: Where have you been? I was expecting to see your posts.
I was busy counting my losses in a stupid game i played. Anyway, ypu guys have done much justice to this thread that i could ever dream of. Nice work soldiers.
Missy89: Syrian army will do most of the ground fighting with Russian advisers. airstrikes will be Russian personnel of course. Personally, I just think it will be too early to commit Russian troops to the front line because, Syria itself has sufficient troops to do the job with Russia acting as assad air force. When the situation become precarious however, you can rule out Russian boot on the ground.
Right now, there is no reason to involve them just yet,
I get your pooints! But i still think that it all goes down to what Putin-Assad have in mind towards the level of Russian involvement and the strategy upon the mark, as it relates to the crisis and the well being of the country. If the plan is to gradually and adequately weaken ISIS and the position of the so-called " moderate rebels ," then your analysis wiil best fit the descriptions. Russia will only then continue to be Assad air power coordinating with the Syrian armed forces on the ground, who then would gradually move in to attack positions and repossession under the Bear's air firepower. But if the aim is to quickly or within a short time or designated period liberate the whole of Syria, or at least, major parts of it from the control of the enemies, then we might Just see some thousands of Russian troops, including tanks, on the ground (not forgeting Iran); because the Assad forces may not have the overall capacity and man power to realize such goal in such a short time-say " from now till December ending".
And something tells me this is the Putin-Assad end game strategy. Otherwise, i just don't see why Russia would get involve in a conflict she knew will tie her down for eons.
Thus, shymm3x may be right after all. I foresee Russian boots on the ground sooner than we think.
CSTR2: Putin has manipulated the world view to his advantage. We are here to kill terrorist. WTF. Go tell that to the marines. Why have you not been killing terrorists all these while.? Very soon, fowl yansh go open.
Rotimi47: True even recent United States military simulations shows that the United States cannot defeat the Russians in all out war but they tend to play it down later saying there is a probability that they can win on the long run if they deploy all their troops & equipments from bases all over the world to fight the Russians.
Yes! They did that simulation recently, and it was so shocking to them that they can never defeat the Russians. They are still fionding it hard to cope with.
ayodele234: You are dreaming man. Victory in a conventional war? The Taliban who fought with sticks and stones defeated the United States not to talk about the billions the US. used in bribing Iraqi to stop killing Americans. Let's not even take it back to Vietnam or the Korean war. You read too much MSM (Mainstream Media)
You are just wasting your time replyoing these uninformed trollers. Do you know how many numbers of american dvd plates they have at home?
Shymm3x: Stop reading simple illustrations backwards. I said toys compared to what Russia has in stock (to retaliate with).
The US defense missiles he was alluding to are the Patriot missiles and even the Russian s300s are superior to those missiles. Now, Russia has the s500, which is the greatest defense missiles ever and the Topol that can wreck havoc on anyone.
Don't believe the hype - no one can defeat Russia in continental Europe.
Blame them not sire. Too much hollywood, CNN and BBSin has wreck alot of havoc.
CSTR2: I don't like to call out obama, but it is unacceptable that russia was able to do this under his watch. I expected him to have faced the russians in crimea and blow them out of the sky with overwhelming NATO forces, even if it results in a nuclear war which i believe the russians don't want. That is the disadvantage of democrats. They think too much.
CSTR2: Mother russia? The population of Nigerians in russia is not up to 10,000. Do you know how many Nigerians are in the US and praying to go to the US.?
You are suffering from the highest syptom of western hallucination. Because many Nigerians are living in the US should now make people to support their satanic policies and terror military adventurism abroad?
ayodele234: Watching too much CNN has affected your brain. You will never be able in your life to comprehend. America and their Zionists overlords are responsible for every evil in our world today. Trust me, western education (slavery and dumb thinking) has done enough damage to 99% of global afrikan people
Xsolutions: Good Thought, as far as world issues are concerned most recently; particularly SYRIA, the US have been just too annoying and their HYPOCRISY sickening
They OVERESTIMATE themselves, they think it's THEIR WAY or NO WAY even if their way isn't working.
They don't even RESPECT the UN when it comes to desicion making on issues like these...
Is this what it means to be AMERICAN?? , SMH!
That is a fact, brother. They preach international law, but have no law governing them and their sick foreign policy.
CSTR2: The way you guys overestimate russia is funny. You just wait till a republican gets into the white house and watch how putin is put in his place. Just like carly fiorina said, the US have talked too much with russia. It is time for an overwhelming action.
Talk is always cheap my brother. When you get on the hot seat, you will understand why you must talk to nations like Russia. And by the way, who was actually doing talking? Stubborn US or willing Russia?
NaijaTalkTown: Expect CNN, BBC and other Western media to start spreading propaganda about how Russian strikes are killing innocent people and expect Linda Ikeji to copy and paste.
mentorken05: The way these things are going in Syria now, soon mistakes are gonna be made and everybody will start shooting everybody. Not many are gonna understand the following... Syrian military are Fighting ISIS, Al nusra and other Rebel groups. The Rebels are fyting ISIS, Al nusra and The Syrian Army. Al nusra are fyting Syrian army, ISIS and oda rebels. The Kurdish Pershmaga (YPG) are fighting ISIS but friendly to PKK. The PKK are fighting ISIS. The Turks are fighting both ISIS and the PKK but friendly to the YPG. The Iraqi military are fytin ISIS but are friendly to the PKK, d Turks but not the YPG The Iranians are supporting the Syrians and Iraqis in fight against ISIS only. The Americans and dia western allies are fighting ISIS and are friendly to Turkey, Iraq, YPG and PKK, but not to the Iranians and d Syrian Govt. The Hezbollah are fyting ISIS, and are friends wit d Syrian govt and d Iranians, but not the Americans The Saudis are supporting Al Nusra and oda rebel groups fighting the Syrian govt and ISIS Now the Russians av arrived, and av started fyting ISIS, Al nusra and oda rebel groups (who av western and Arabian backing) dat hav bn fytin the Syrain Govt ISIS...fyting Everybody!
You were correct in all, except that the US was fighting ISIS. The US was never fighting ISIS at the first place, and that is the truth.
Stelvin101: Watching in 4D. I just hope Russia and USA won't intercept each other's jet, sparking a flame for war.
Russia knows it's targets, which includes ISIS and so-called moderate rebels. The US dont realy have any other target apart from Assad's army which they have been targeting for long now under the guise lof fighting ISIS. Already, Sergie Lavrov have warned the US of " uniintended consequencies " prior to the Russian airstrikes. What he meant to say is that, " if you or any of your allies try in whatever way to hamper or comes in direct contact with us, anything you see, you will take it'. It is as simple as that. The bitter thing about the situation for the US now is that, it can no longer attack the Assad forces with ease directly or indirectly as before on the front lines, especially if Russia put boots on the ground by the thousands, while at the same time, it can not openly support or give weapons to ISIS through so-called "moderate rebels", and even if they manage to sneak some in, they will end up being destroyed by the angry Bear air power, since there is virtually no anti aircraft or surface to air missiles that can protect their positions against the lightning fast Russian planes; given the fact that the hegemon can't provide them with such weapons for obvious reasons.. Air defence systems no be wetin you go fit hide for plane come drop am by parachut.
You can now see how the US hands and legs are be shackled by the situation the Vladinator puts them
what does it mean? It mean that while Russia can legitimately target and bombard the ISIS (including so-called moderate rebels) in the open, being invited by the Syrian government, falls within the periphery of international law, (whereas the primary aim is to mentain the Assad regime ). The US on the other hand, can not openly and no longer effectively carry out their mapped out strategy of " fighting ISIS", whereas the real aim is to remove Assad and pave the way for their pipeline and other geopolitical and economic business.)
Putin playing them back their own game of deception. How it must suck to be caught pants down in your own game.
Now the US suddenly deem it fit to have military to military talk with Russia But last time i checked, Russian wasn't an important nation to talk to; and even got kicked out of the G7 for frustrating yet another misadventure of th e Hegemon in Ukraine.
See as America fowl don lay cook egg!
The grand plot to remove Assad is crumbling like a pack of cards!
omenka: What exactly does the US want for Christ's sake?? Time and again, coalition airstrikes have proven totally ineffective against ISIS, yet they grumble about Russia's emergence on the theatre.
US caused all the mess we are seeing in the mideast today. The root of all the chaos could be traced to the removal of Sadam and then exacerbated by the removal of Gadaffi. The power vacuum created by their removal gave the terrorists the much needed impetus to emerge from their caves and launch such viscous campaigns as never seen in modern times.
These were strongmen that sort of kept belligerent non state actors at bay, but today, we don't get to see headlines from the region without ISIS, Houti Rebels and those from Libya featuring prominently.
In this campaign, I'd put my money on the effectiveness of the Russians than the US. The Pakis were able to mitigate the excesses of the Taliban soon after US airstrikes ceased (or drastically reduced) in their country- what I'm saying is that the US isn't known to fix armed conflicts anywhere in the world either with boots on ground or jets in the air, their presence rather tends to make the situation deteriorate.
The only problem with this is that Asad stays, against the desires of most of the citizens of the country. The Arab spring was never meant for them, I guess Tunisia and Egypt were just lucky.
Shymm3x: Is this the beginning of the next big war or probably the third world war?
Just one miscalculation would most likely lead to a big war with how the Iraqi and Syrian air space are crowded with fighter jets from different countries whose interests don't align. The Americans and Arabs gulf sheikhs won't let their billions of dollars worth of investment in ISIS and all these Jihadist groups go to waste like that. Ditto Israel who benefits the most from how unstable these countries are.
Expect a long war - Syria and Iraq are the battlefield for now, and it will most likely move to other countries in Euroasia.
Russia has woken the ghost of USSR back from the dead via Putin - the battle line as been drawn. Enjoy the movie.
Yeah! Just as the saying goes, " if you wish for peace, prepare for war ". Is time to let the Hegemon and its bunch of ISIS satanists elites understand that they just cant dictate the fate of the entire planet and its people in line with their satanic and greedy motives and interest.