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 Foreign Affairs › Re: Israel Reveals Russian Warplane ‘crossed’ Into Its Airspace From Syria
.. by Appleyard(m): 6:21pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
fineguy11:
This is how responsible nations treat their partners,with UTMOST RESPECT!! You can say that again. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Situation In Syria - Nairaminted's Views by Appleyard(m): 11:32am On Nov 29, 2015 |
vedaxcool:
unfortunately, Bush was an unintelligent man who seem interested in creating chaos in the ME. And chaos is what he indeed successfully created. Just see the the place now. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia Announces Turkey Sanctions by Appleyard(m): 10:50am On Nov 29, 2015 |
Renew calls for talks keh! What does a terrorist sponsoring state wants to discuss? Well, we just hope all ends well without further blood shared. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: N.korea Warns Turkey On Meddling In Syria Or Risk Nuke Strike by Appleyard(m): 12:46am On Nov 29, 2015 |
WombRaiders:
North Korea is still technically at war with South Korea and the US.
You call them boi boi but why your US never invade them since 1958?
Stop watching CNN.   |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Russian Ground Troops Arrive In Syria In Unprecedented Military Action... by Appleyard(m): 12:28am On Nov 29, 2015 |
Shite is coming,... |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Apologizes To Russia Over Downing Jet by Appleyard(m): 12:15am On Nov 29, 2015 |
Obiagu1:
The funny thing is that when Russia finally retaliates, NATO will not come to Turkey aid.
Turkey downed the plane for a purpose but their strategy is not going to work. You shoot down a Russian bomber, ran to NATO to complain but NATO tactically are backing off leaving Turkey to their fate.
NATO alliance comes to play only when a member is attacked but that's not the case here.
Turkey are on their own. Tell them. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Apologizes To Russia Over Downing Jet by Appleyard(m): 12:05am On Nov 29, 2015 |
DerideGull:
Per the bolded in colors, Russia will not even think of engaging Turkey in a military show down because of Turkey's affiliation with NATO. Do you really think NAtO with the likes of France, Germany, Greece, and even the UK would go to war because of Turkey:-) ? |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Apologizes To Russia Over Downing Jet by Appleyard(m): 11:59pm On Nov 28, 2015 |
carnegiefan:
I don't like Russians mainly because they lie a lot. I hate lairs with a passion.
Having said that, Turkey is being irresponsible by its actions in Syria.
Just out of curiosity I researched conventional military of both Russia and Turkey and confirmed what I thought.
Amormed fighting vehicles:
Russia: 31,298
Turkey:7,550
Main Battle Tanks:
Russia: 15,398
Turkey:3,778
Self propelled guns:
Russia: 5,972
Turkey: 1,013
Towed artillery:
Russia: 4,625
Turkey:697
Rocket Launching systems:
Russia: 3,793
Turkey: 811
]Fighters/Interceptors:
Russia: 769
Turkey:223
Attack Aircrafts:
Russia: 1,305
Turkey:223
Attack Helicopters:
Russia: 462
Turkey: 59
Naval:
Submarines:
Russia: 55
Turkey:13
Total vessels:
Russia: 352
Turkey: 115
Available manpower for military:
Russia:69,117,271
Turkey:41,637,773
Nukes apart, Russia can walk all over Turkey militarily, and very easily.
That beggars the question: WHY did Turkey do this, bearing in mind that Turkey violates Syrian airspace almost daily?
Only one answer is reasonable: Turkey wanted to cause a war between Russia and NATO.
A war between Russia and NATO is a NUCLEAR war.
So, WHY did Turkey do this?
I now understand why Germany pulled its Patriot Missile batteries from Turkey.
German is a FIRST WORLD country and won't play stu.pid games with NATO assets.
Turkey is a THIRD WORLD country with a dictator president, who thinks he is a god.
Also Turkey is an Islamic state.
Why is an Islamic country which was rejected membership of the EU still in NATO?
Turkey should be kicked out of NATO before it is too late.
My 2 cents is that Putin wants other NATO members to kick Turkey out (or at the very least divide NATO); that is why he has not responded militarily...yet.
All peace lovers on this earth should pray for peace. Thump up for you. That is the question alot of people still cant answer, but you just gave one plausible right answer. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey's President by Appleyard(m): 10:48pm On Nov 28, 2015 |
ValerianSteel:
We can see how well the downing of the Su-24 has damaged their power projection cause their jets have not conducted sorties since the downing,they have now forgotten the enemy at hand(ISIS),now they move to create a new one. please don't be false to buttress your point. The Russian response is already taking shape. Since on wednesday, the Turkmen area where the pilot was killed, has been recieving heavy bombardment from Russian planes, including some trucks loads of militants and equipments crossing over from the border side of Turkey, were all destroyed. Again, the deployment of advance air defense systems into Syria now, is bad news for Turkey that can no longer get free entrance into the Syria air space to help their Isis brothers , cos it would be suicide for them. But there is nothing to share to in all this because, now that Russia is sending some of it's advance tools to Syria, with France already on ground, UK soon to join, and others already there, things could get ugly if you consider the issue of possible unintended consequences among the key players, bringing us to the realization of Alois Irlmaier's prophecy. Each time i consider this and matched it to the events in Syria while watching the East, i can't help confessing my sins to God. Take a look: http://www.messagetoeagle.com/alois-irlmaiers-scary-prophecy-about-world-war-iii/shite is coming... |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey's President by Appleyard(m): 9:06pm On Nov 28, 2015 |
MissSlimbody:
The heart of man is desperately wicked.
See how innocent he looks  Yeah. Shakespear said it that, the intent of a man's heart can not be ascertained by the expression on his face. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: No US Airstrikes In Syria Since Russia Deployed S-400 Systems
. by Appleyard(m): 8:33pm On Nov 28, 2015 |
Gravanno:
Where is Assad going to? Don't make me laugh.
With S 400, we have a no-fly zone in place.
By the way, Crimea is still part of Russia, where is your NATO aka the toothless bulldog? You think say Russia na Libya or Iraq? My money is on Russia. Your sense dey there. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Syrian Border by Appleyard(m): 4:12am On Nov 27, 2015 |
mazeltov:
Dodging which facts? Hahahahaha
I even helped you to highlight its 5 major capabilities which no other fighter jet in operation can do in the whole world.[/b] ....with your Russian propaganda Easy, Mazeltov. Yes, you actually tried with opening sites and bringing from thence such infos and specs. Most times, one gets tired and just copy to save time. Yeah, '' 5 outstanding capabilities '', but Na so the capabilities be outstanding for F117 till when Serbia brought them down using 1960s old Soviet SAMs. How is this propaganda..? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/04/pentagon-worries-that-russia-can-now-outshoot-u-s-stealth-jets.html Did you know that when Slovakia brought their S300 variant into NATO training section, they tried everything possible to jam and unravel it, but failed? U think sey Isreal dey joke by threatening fire and thunder if Russia sell it to Syria? If thats a brainer, how much more the S400? Either 150km, 150akm or even 1500km, Pantsir coverage range is not up to 150km/1500km. Open your eyes and read  Pantsyr only has 2 stage solid fuel rocket motors and has maximum speed of 1,000m/s which is equivalent to Mach3 and its missiles range is 20km/24km. A detection range of 30km - with minimal range of 1km. You are correct. But If you look closely, you will see an a and 0 appearing along the 15, most time when you type using your phone especially deep in the night, you are bound to make errors. I meant to say 15000m, which also may not be correct as well.. http://www.kbptula.ru/en/productions/air-defense-weapon-systems/pantsir-s1Technically speaking, the Pantsyr S1 is classified as aSPAAG-M( Self Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun – Missile) since it is mounted on a self-propelled platform, the Kamaz 8×8 truck and has both guns and missiles to engage its targets. It provides the high altitude, long-range engagement capability of SAMs combined with low-altitude short-range engagement capability of AA guns. It has 6 SAMs and dual 30 mm autocannon on each side of the turret for a total of 12 missiles and 4 guns. It has a Passive Electronically Scanning Array (PESA) S-band target acquisition radar which scans mechanically to provide360ºcoverage and an X-band fire control radar (FCR). They can search and track aerial targets over 50 km away and engage them at a distance of 20 km. The FCR can track 20 targets and engage 3 simultaeously and up to 12 targets can be engaged in a minute. It has a very advanced electro-optical and Infrared detection and target engagement system as well. But like i said earlier, Pantsirs are just meant as assistance, the real deal is the s400, CRAP!!!!
when will you stop hiding under this pretence ''official report'' when?.
If the offocial range of those weapons have not been officially declared then wait until they are released to the public. Nothing is crap, the kalibr is a reality that left some accross the west agape. All missiles have official declared range as standard procedures for export and security commitment purposes. Just that, the Russians are masters in secrecy/under reporting. Now what? I could remember how Putin was sweating underneath about the deployment of Raptor in Europe
http://www.ibtimes.com/amid-russia-fears Now we are progressing: D Lets now use common sense. The F22 and F35 (i do refer to both since they are seperated by only a thin line in terms of capabilities) are way beyond any other conventional plane in terms of stealth and avionics. And that is a fact. But if the owners of the same unbeatable birds are suddenly affraid for them being taken out by a certain opposing power, is that not food for thought, just as the same power like you said, is worried too? And what the heck is this na; http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=7ad_1402064679 ? How do we reconcile that? The same analyst that discussed Raptors' flaws are still the ones the discussed it superiority.
[b]According to Pilot Lt.Col Wadw Tolliner There is the problem. Critical anaysis is both objective and subjective. If we are to accept the bright side only, then there would be no need for analytical discourse. Thus, if we are to go by accepting only the analysis based on the plane superiority, and not also by its short comings, then it can be said we are qualified propagandist. it's a shame to give up in an argument when someone's ignorance has been exposed!! The more you keep posting your prejudiced fallacy, the more you keep exposing yourself. Keep them coming. See you later at night The fisherman's invocation always come first before the final straw against the back of the fish. If i wanted to quit on this, i would simply inform you like in the US/Vietnam discourse. And remember, self glorification on the long run brings out the sinful man in us. So tred cautiously. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: We Will Take Out The S-400 If A Nato Member Jet Is Hit: Us Defence Chief by Appleyard(m): 3:38pm On Nov 26, 2015*. Modified: 3:56pm On Nov 26, 2015 |
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| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Syrian Border by Appleyard(m): 12:37pm On Nov 26, 2015 |
mazeltov:
Can't belive that I would wake up this morning and read this little piece of junk
CRAP!!!. I'm highly disappointed in you, I can't believe that you could search through net and uplift some information just to justify your claims and ignore some others because you knew it would expose you. Quoting from the same source...
1 Why did you skip where it was said - RAPTOR HAS EMBEDED SENSOR/FUSION which gives pilot focus on dealing with enemy rather than dealing with the aircraft- Raptor has multiple sensors and information-sharing links show on multiple display that supercomputers used for sensor fusion that aims to put all the information plane is gathering into one simple display- a display departure embeds passive sensors for various wavelenght all around the plane's structure and this greatly improves first detection ability even with its radar off and combination of sensors means Raptor pilots are almost certain to know enemies' location long before the reverse.
2. Did you skip where it was said Raptor is All Aspect Stealth and has a very good radar profile from front. Yes stealth is not total invisibility but merely shortens the range at which jet can be detected on ground/air and makes
4. You forgot to read Raptor Supercruise Ability - it can fly above Mach1 without using afterburner. Most of the jets stay below Mach1 for vast majority of their service lives. Raptor's 2 Pratt & Whitney F119 engines offers 35,000 pound of thrust each. Raptor's ability to supercruise at mach 1.5+ without using fuel-guzzling afterburner. Today, Raptor is the only operational aircraft in the world capable of consistent supercruiseling while carrying a full loads of weapons. Eurotyphoon comes closer with Mach1.2 while flying.
5. You intentionally overlooked where they analysed - - SAM like Pantsir and S-400 are extending their ranges to hundreds of kilometer and their missiles performance makes it dangerous for stealth/non-stealth jet to challenge. Fortunately their position are more fixed than aerial opponents- Raptors' detection ranges from any angle and this can create gaps in enemy's radar coverage and this is helpful when Raptor is trying to leave danger zone. A hyper-spectral suite of embeded sensor helps Raptor to map and exploit coverage gaps and supercruise reduce detection range, the hope of this will allow Raptor to get close enough to launch its own unpowered weapons first before the enemy. An AN/APG-77 radar with future software upgrades will provide final stage jamming of enemy's radar
http://www.defenseindustry.com/f-22-raptor-capabilities-and-contoveries-019069/
Is that the best you can offer? Now listen. Pantsyr was firstly unveiled in MAKS air show in Zhvkosvsky near Mosvow in 1995 and it is a defensive missile-gun systrm designed to protect vital and small military areas and land force unit and protection against precision-guided air attact from low and extreme low altitudes - it has 12 surface to air 57E6 guided missiles and 2 2A38M 30 mm- gun with multi range radar capability of detecting aerial target of up to 2-3 sq and at distance range of mora than 30km and tracking range of about 24km
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_missile_system_vehicle_uk/pantsir-pantsyr_s1_sa-22_greyhound_air_defense_missile_gun_system_technical_data_sheet_specification.html
Please tell me, where did you see 1500km for Pantsyr? No matter how long, I won't be tired of rendering free military tutelages to enhance your understanding & I'm wiating for more junks from u You are so good in dogding facts that you would do well in joining the US springbox team. Who said 1500km for pantsil? I hope you slept well last night? I only gave you an instance of the Kalibr official declared range and the actual range that came to be following its use, as a reference to the principle of '' under reporting''. .And why did you keep dodging and ingnoring it, and this: http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=7ad_1402064679Now this, http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/04/pentagon-worries-that-russia-can-now-outshoot-u-s-stealth-jets.htmlYou just keep dancing around your self-style glorified ego while skipping critiques that doesnt fit in your naratives. If you don't have answers to the above and aforementioned critiques of why those planes are more of expensive junk whose productions have been suspended, other than roving in repeated self-glorification while calling the reviews of experts like James pierce and Stevensons as Crap, because it runs contrary to your line of thought, feel free to chill and move on to other issues. I dont roll with humped sholuders. To others, these are no Craps: http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=7ad_1402064679http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/04/pentagon-worries-that-russia-can-now-outshoot-u-s-stealth-jets.htmlStay well. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Russian President Vladmir Putin Speaks On Turkey's Attack by Appleyard(m): 11:29am On Nov 26, 2015 |
Missy89:
I wanted to ask you a question but i didnt have the time to.
If this was the other way around and Russia shot down a plane ( lets say an American jet), and there is no substantial response for 1-3 days, will you think Obama is weak or playing chess and acting wisely? Or will you be here telling us how strong Putin is? Be Honest  To be honest, No! I am not like one of those dullards down here chanting Obama is weak cause alot of kids with no gloves accross their mendulas expect him to confront Russia militarily, and you asking this question pertaining to the Russian/Turkey bruhaha, is really surprising. Is like expecting America to attack Isreal when it sunk it's ship. Planes downing has been a feature between NATO and the Soviets in the 50s and 60s, and it didnt lead to direct military conflicts, and certainly, this also would not go that way (though Erdogan has set a seriously bad precedent in the modern era). Therefore, Measuring the strenght of Putin vis-a-vis immediate retaliation, especially by direct confrontation with Turkey, is indeed, a departure from sound intelligent resoning and critical analysis. Russia must have comprehended such scenarios before now, and there are retaliatory options on the ground other than a a direct military engagement. One of such easiest move for Putin is to increase airstrikes against more so-called moderate Syrian rebel groups opposed to Syrian President Assad. The groups with ties to Turkey, especially the Turkmen rebels in northern Syria who claim to have killed one of the Russian pilots in the downed military plane, are most likely to find themselves in Russia's crosshairs, and even as we speak, it is already happening. Reports on Wednesday stated that Russian jets are pounding the area near the downed jet in northern Syria, bombed a truck convoy of rebels waiting to cross the corridor from the border into Turkey, indicate that Putin has already taken steps to turn up the heat there. If the Man wants to go wicked further still, the PKK option then may become a bug Erdogn will have to deal with all the days of his life-tenure. There may be others as well, but one thing is certain; Russia wont go to war with Turkey just because of a single plane and one dead soldier, but from now on, the Turkey free forays into the Syrian airspace is over. Any turk plane that will come in range of Russian equipments in Syria will have to kiss the skies goodbye. That is one predictable fact the Russians will surely do, and i believe you know that, Missy. The only thing that worries me is the unpredictability nature of the Russians. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Breaking News: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet For Violating Its Airspace by Appleyard(m): 9:38am On Nov 26, 2015 |
cyprus000:
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On point soulja 
The @embolded
Very very correct,especially now that russia have deployed S-400 to syria.
No more business as usual. Russia is looking for her own pound of flesh.
Tho sergey lavrov have dimissed any war plan as expected. I personally think it's just a facade to make turkey loose guard for the sucker punch.
A megalomaniac lyk erdogan,shall soon know the difference between local and international politics.
He thinks it's local politics that he exibit his rascible triat with impunity.
[/size] Exactly. The S400 to Syria entails a greater Russian greater plan in the offing, and its a clear indication that a de facto no fly zone is been established, with no doubt: zero permission for IS state like Turkey. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Syrian Border by Appleyard(m): 1:57am On Nov 26, 2015 |
mazeltov:
I am always busy so don't expect quick reply from me - and I don't have enough space to fully enlighten you but I will try and touch every point you've made.
discarded!! Now listen attentively - Pantsir' detection range is 30km and tracking Range is 24km, missile range of 20km and Pantsir is a short range SAM which uses 2 stages solid fuel rocket motors and its max speed is 1000m/s(mach3) http://www.army-technology.com/projects/Pantsyr/ stop typing what you know nothing about - Short range SAM can never attain 1500km as you have claimed, please make researches before commenting. Pantsir can only engage low flying object/missile moving within its range,
Yes you are right on this , the higher the weight the lower the distance. That's why countries use to deploy jets in their base around the world so that it will be easier to strike any target. You don't expect Russia to fly a jet from Ukraine to Nigeria when they have Carrier that can deploy them. Understood?
No!! Point of correction. Loaded weapons has nothing to do with jamming and you can only jam a system that has no countermeasure. A jet like Raptor uses Supression of Enemy Air Defence (SEAD) weapon and this makes it off jamming. You need to catch up on jamming system.
dodge? Lol. Listen, I don't engage in a crossed argument. If you want me to enlighten you no F-35
I have enlightened you on this in the morning. Go back to the post and re-educate yourself.
Yes I made an error, I wanted to type how American shot Russian MIGs 15, it was a typo err. I take no pleasure in ranting... The Truth About the Useless F-35 & F-22
The Truth Revealed by the United States Department of Defense, the United States Air Force (USAF), the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) and the US RAND Corporation Research ANd Development, US and Australia Pacific Vision data.
The exercise PACAFs Pacific Vision on sept 25/08 revealed the United States air superiority is just a fantasy. The exercise was consisted of face the Red Team one hundred Su-27SM, four Su-30 and two Su-35 against Blue Team one hundred F-35, one hundred eighty seven F-22 and four hundred F/A-18E/F. The exercise showed the blue team higher in number of aircraft is double inferior when hundreds of Blue Forces aircraft were lost in the first 20 minutes downed by the Red Forces., on the other hand only 12 aircraft was downed in the Red
Team.
Pacific Vision effect the production of the F-22 was canceled and the F-35 project not longer receives investment all since 2008 by Barack Hussein Obama II and Robert Michael Gates.
Watch why F-22 is canceled in the next link -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL5jAx...
Watch After the cancellation of the F-22 the few remaining units still cause frustration in the USAF in the next link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICnR09... http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=7ad_1402064679Lockhead Martins will produce the plane, only them will test them in a predetermined expected results, until the above shock them that matters. And Not everyone is taking the crap propaganda. The left-wing CDI believes the F-22’s performance will be subpar, though having seen their circulated presentations, DID believes their arguments as presented contain a number of important holes as well as some valid points. F-16 program analyst Pierre Sprey and author James Stevenson argued that the F-22’s fuel:weight ratio, wing loading, and acceleration are inferior to existing fighters. They stated that peacetime exercises are designed with predetermined outcomes in mind and can’t be relied on, and question the lethality of air-air missiles based on their war record. Sprey and Stevenson also question the F-22’s stealth on the grounds that its own radar will give it away when used, adding that the unreliability of IFF (Identification, Friend or Foe) has generally meant that combats are fought at close ranges where stealth is largely negated. They contend that numbers, acceleration, fast changes in energy state, and a 360 degree cockpit view count for more in such situations – and find the F-22 wanting on all counts. As if not enough, none of its internally-carried strike weapons are powered, and radar-killing missiles like the AGM-88 HARM/AARGM aren’t even on the drawing board as options for review. Important additions like wider field side-looking radar arrays and helmet-mounted sights will not appear until and unless upgrades are funded beyond Increment 3.2. So much for your enlightenment. On Pantsil and S400, they are integrated systems, with the formal meant to take care of the plane's fired weapons, while the latter's duty is the plane itself. And you are still struggling to come to terms with their official declared range to their actual range, ditto the Kalibr. I see.. It cant be shot down just like they said in Serbia, and i wondered were you got that 850km altitude from. Argt. its well bro. Cya |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Syrian Border by Appleyard(m): 11:45pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
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| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Syrian Border by Appleyard(m): 11:21pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
NairaMinted:
Turkish intelligence chief: ISIS is a reality and we must stop Putin from crushing the Islamic revolution
November 24, 2015
AWD News
Posted October 18, 2015
Turkish intelligence chief: Putin's intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future
Ankara--- Hakan Fidan, the head of Turkey's National Intelligence Organization, known by the MİT acronym, has drawn a lot of attention and criticism for his controversial comments about ISIS.
Mr. Hakan Fidan, Turkish President's staunchest ally, condemned Russian military intervention in Syria, accusing Moscow of trying to 'smother' Syria's Islamist revolution and serious breach of United Nations law.
“ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries,” - Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday.
Fidan further added that in order to deal with the vast number of foreign Jihadists craving to travel to Syria, it is imperative that ISIS must set up a consulate or at least a political office in Istanbul. He underlined that it is Turkey’s firm belief to provide medical care for all injured people fleeing Russian ruthless airstrikes regardless of their political or religious affiliation.
Recently as the fierce clashes between Russian army and ISIS terrorists are raging across the war-torn Syria, countless number of ISIS injured fighters enter the Turkish territory and are being admitted in the military hospitals namely those in Hatay Province. Over the last few days, the Syrian army with the support of Russian air cover could fend off ISIS forces in strategic provinces of Homs and Hama.
Emile Hokayem, a Washington-based Middle East analyst said that Turkey's Erdoğan and his oil-rich Arab allies have dual agendas in the war on terror and as a matter of fact they are supplying the Islamist militants with weapons and money, thus Russian intervention is considered a devastating setback for their efforts to overthrow Syrian secular President Assad.
Hokayem who was speaking via Skype from Washington, D.C. highlighted the danger of Turkish-backed terrorist groups and added that what is happening in Syria cannot be categorized as a genuine and popular revolution against dictatorship but rather it is a chaos orchestrated by Erdoğan who is dreaming to revive this ancestor's infamous Ottoman Empire.
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Wiki: In 2014, voice recordings, where Hakan Fidan, foreign minister Davutoğlu, Deputy Chief of Staff, Lt. Gen. Yasar Güler, and other military personnel discusses a potential false flag incursion into Syria, was leaked to YouTube and shared across Twitter. The event resulted in the Turkish government blocking access to Twitter, then YouTube, and finally the DNS servers of Google DNS and OpenDNS.[10] In the voice recording, he is heard saying, to a military personnel, "... [i]f legitimacy [of a possible incursion into Syria] is an issue, I can simply send a few men there [across the Syria-Turkey border] and have them launch missiles over to us. Legitimacy is not a problem. Legitimacy can be manufactured." Seymour Hersh later linked what was said in this leaked meeting with CIA-Erdoğan dealings on Syria It is only a terrorist sympathiser that doesnt accept that the Turkish govt is a terrorist sponsoring govt. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Syrian Border by Appleyard(m): 11:07pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
Emzyme:
All4naija u deh crase ooo
He shld jst leave his seat jst lyk dat
Wetin obama still deh do for seat ...no b pple deh protest since
Abi those jailed in saudi for protesting nko
Erdogan weh kurds don deh fight since nko
Buhari weh biafra deh protest against nko...
Learn how to think na...
Stupidity wasnt meant for you alone...haha
Nd for all of ya celebrating turkey
May the blood of the lost pilots doing their duty to protect us from the even ISIL Be upon your head and those of your Children....Amen Ameeeeeeennnnnn! |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Syrian Border by Appleyard(m): 11:05pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
Emzyme:
Do u have a brain
So a country dat executed people in the mist babaric way is ok
Foolishness should b ur second name
Its pple lyk you that has kept the world the way it is
Go to youtube and see videos of executions of both saudi and the fsa rats
Receive sense please
So monarchy is good in saudi ba.....ur level of stupidity amazes even d turkish president erdogan |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Russian President Vladmir Putin Speaks On Turkey's Attack by Appleyard(m): 4:56pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
scully95:
Putin is an Emotional War man and South Ossetia is gone.. Crimean peninsular has rejoined Russia.. also gone. DOneskt and Lugansk already a covert buffer zone. Putin is a diplomatic man. he fights war with sense which to me makes super sense. We all know what he's fighting for..A multi-polar world which also makes super sense because absolute power corrupts completely..
Taking South Ossetia and Crimea is answer to NATO dragging closer to its boarder.. Any further dragging means, the country will follow the same fate as Ukraine, and Georgia.. The bear is up
And yes that is a fact out of its 33 wars within the range of 300 years. 3 centuries.... It lost just 3 wars..
America is not up to 300 years and I can count 5 wars U.S lost. Well, that's not the pt.. The pt here is! The Bear is up again. Justice and history will always be on Russia's side. So you really have the time to reply terrorists apologist and sympathizers? Well, we shall see in the coming days how things take shape vis the Russian response. Many trollers down here expect the man to throw in the missiles, since they cant comprehend the Russian scale of predictability. We can only hope that at the end, cooler heads prevail. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: As Turkey Downs Russian Jet by Appleyard(m): 4:41pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
belabela:
Turkey wants NATO and Russia to go to war so that both will be distracted from destroying isis.
The pilot who survived has just spoken that there was no warning, and he was the navigator. He said the weather was clear and they were in the Syrian airspace throughout their operation. He further said the jet was actually returning to base when it was shot.
A US official is also saying today that Turkey shot the jet over Syria.
Turkey is actually trying to destroy NATO.
At the end of the day the only neighbour Turkey had as friend was Russia as Erdogan has picked up a fight with all other neighbours. The man i s a lunatic. He did what he did because the illicit trade in IS oil has been adequately destroyed. You just have to wait and see what the Russians will do, and this is my fear, because the Russians are known to be very unpredictable. You need to see the tense atmosphere right now. Shiit is coming dear, real shite..... |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Syrian Border by Appleyard(m): 3:50pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
mazeltov:
Stop arguing about stealth tech here. See forget about anything stealthy. No high-end tech in stealth. F22 doesn't rely on Stealth but has [b]Passive radar systems also referred to as passive coherent location and passive covert radar encompass a class of radar systems that detect and track objects by processing reflections from non-cooperative
sources of illumination in the environment, such as commercial broadcast and communications signals.
Talk of Phased array on S-400? Yes growler has such radar but the range of S-400 radar is about 600km. I challenge you to post a link where it was said S-400 radar range is beyond 600km
lolzz, honestly you are funny. Well I only opened the first link whaic talks how America finks F22 is now obsolete when they are into production of SR-72 hypersonic jet and they intend to mount lasar weapon on all of their fighter jets. Maybe you should sit down and read the content of link again. Until you tell me any enemy's aircraft currently in operation that can match F22 then I would believe you. You even went ahead to post F35 link to me, lol
Yes F22 is a 5th generation jet that which carries 4th generation stealth capabiliy not 4th generation fighter jet capability- I am sure that you are a student and you can easily understand and differentiate between the two. The fourth generation stealth is being used in terms of grade. you need to understand how Stealth and radar technology work together.
For example, the stealth capabilty of SR-71 is not the same with F-117, and the stealthiness of F-117 is not as sophisticated as that of F-35 or even F22 you are so funny at times that i cant help laughing out loud. So now we should forget about the F22 stealth capability which your likes previously championed as the real deal, lol? What makes the F22 '' invisible '' at the first place? Okay, lets put that aside like you said. The main problem as I see it is that even assuming the F-22 was totally invisible at any distance, the weapons it uses are not, and can be dealt with and the Russians have many systems with optical backup. Pantsir-S1 (deployed with S400) for instance can engage targets up to 15a0km altitude and has an optical guidance channel that could deal with an F-22, and three other radar channels that could deal with weapons released by the F-22. If a flight of four F-22s tried to engage a target protected by a battery of 6 Pantsir-S1s the SAMs would be able to engage 24 targets at a time, so even if all four aircraft released 5 weapons each, the battery would be able to deal with all the targets and the aircraft at once. The high speed of the missiles of the Pantsir-S1 system means that those targets would be rapidly engaged and a follow up engagement for another 24 targets would probably allow 2-3 engagements before any weapons from the F-22s could reach their targets... which means they probably wont. Clearly one flight of 4 F-22s is not good enough in this case, so more would be needed. Odds are there will be more Pantsir-S1 batteries than there will be F-22s. And when it comes to ups and downs triffles between the big boys in real action, there aren't many things the S-400 needs to protect that are more than 600km across (of which i expect people like you to know to be just the official declared range). Long wave radar should be able to detect it at much greater ranges and would be accurate enough in terms of tracking to direct a large number of fighters towards any F-22s in Russian airspace. Note any F-22s would need to operate without support aircraft like tankers and Awacs as they would be easy kills. This limits range and operational performance of the F-22s. Every SDB they carry is one less AMRAAM the local fighter defences have to deal with, and with modern pod based jammers and also ground based jammers I would think the F-22s would need as many as they could carry. Regarding the deals, i was refering to the F35, that was why i posted a link to that effect, and it is interesting how you tacitly dodged the realisation that phased radars and increasingly wicked EWs and S+C capabilities continue to make stealth techs obsolete. The F22 is more problematic than it's acclaimed glory. If it doesnt kill the pilot first, it cant engage in dogfights, cant climb, spend much like 72hours on the ground after a mission, etc, etc. Some of the reasons the US is shelving conteneous production of these two stealth crafts are stated below. http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=7ad_1402064679Now, which is one is 4th and 5th generational steahiness? did you remember you did mentioned 4th generational stealth fighter on this thread, or do i need to repost it here? I sincerely believe you made an error on this, just as you erroneously stated that the RAF shot down a Russian plane in Syria. We all do at times, so chill. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Syrian Border by Appleyard(m): 5:57am On Nov 25, 2015 |
mazeltov:
After reading this, I have no strenght to go into details so just manage my short reply
Yawnnn!!! The Russian s-400 40N6 The 40N6 very long range missile is capable of destroying airborne targets at ranges up to 400 km (250 mi). Active radar homing head. To engage targets out of sight from the ground (for homing missile can) is designed to find the target. System S - 400 can hit targets at a height of 185 km.
The 48N6DM long range missile is capable of destroying airborne targets at ranges up to 250 km (160 mi). Semi-active radar homing head.
The 48H6E3/48H6E2 – The 250/200 km, target speed 4,800 metres per second (17,000 km/h; 11,000 mph; Mach 14) /2,800 metres per second (10,000 km/h;
6,300 mph; Mach 8.2), rocket speed 2,000 metres per second (7,200 km/h; 4,500 mph; Mach 5.9).
The 9M96E2[37] extended range missile is capable of destroying airborne targets at ranges up to 120 km (75 mi), flying altitude 5 m to 30 km,. It has the highest
hit probability against fast, manoeuvrable targets such as fighter aircraft. Weight 420 kg. Active radar homing head. The
probability for single missile to destroy the target without taking into account the operational reliability is: (piloted stealth /
UAV) of is actively maneuvering = 0.9 / 0.8.
The 9M96E medium range missile (40 km), flying altitude 20 km, weight 333 kg. Active radar homing head.
The 9M96(not for exporting) medium range missile. Range more 120 km, a high probability of target destruction 1 rocket
(0.9 for the aircraft and UAV maneuvering – 0.. Can maneuver at a height of 35 km with an overload of more than 20 g,which greatly increases the efficiency of destruction of ballistic missiles medium and short range
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-400_(missile) this link is from the official web page of [b]Almaz-Antey[b/] - the official designer of S-400 SAM.
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-S-400-Triumf.html
what is your point here? - America used cruise missile during Gulf war in 1991 and Russian klub family cruise missile was recently used.
lolz, I couldn't help but laugh
Pantsir is a short/medium range SAM.
lwkm!! Why should I be afraid of S-500 when my F-x jet and B3-LRSB are in production. Bro you need to catch up please
F22 obsolete? Lwkmd!! . Name one fighter jet in the world that is in operation which can match obsolete F22.
More importantly, kindly show me a link where a renowned analyst commented that S-400 will bring down F-22. Jokes apart, I really need to read it cus I want to get some info, please. Phased radar and wicked EWS makes stealth tech obsolete, i trust you knew that. Below.... No be me analyse am oooo... Na from their side o... http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/are-us-fighter-jets-about-become-obsolete-12612http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/04/pentagon-worries-that-russia-can-now-outshoot-u-s-stealth-jets.htmlhttp://in.rbth.com/blogs/2015/03/11/how_russias_s-400_makes_the_f-35_obsolete_41895and i want to believe you do know all the multiple problems of this planes? How all would-be buyers are pulling off the deals? I gave you an example using the kalibr that was officially acclaimed to have 300-500km, which later turns out to be capable of travelling more than 2000km/900 miles, and how does it concern US firing cruise missiles in Gulf or what? The point here is '' under reporting'', or how should we manage the kalibr issue in relation to other Russian SAMs with such acclaimed official range? and by the way, i read up in the thread where you posited that a 5th generational fighter jet still can possess 4th generational stealthiness. Pls, which 4th generational fighter have stealth technology? I would like to know. Or was it a blunder on ur part? |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Syrian Border by Appleyard(m): 2:49am On Nov 25, 2015 |
Missy89:
Russia will rant and rage. But no one will care. If the russkies violate NATO airspace again, They will be shot down and heavens wont fall. eti tubrute, missy89? |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Syrian Border by Appleyard(m): 2:41am On Nov 25, 2015 |
mach7:
Most comments here are quite ignorant.
Russia will respond, and it is a matter of when and where.
The first step is to study satellite imagery, readings from the ground radars of Russian bases in Armenia and Khmeimm including the readings from the battle group in the eastern Mediterranean led by the Missile cruiser - Moksva.
Next is to determine if the Su-25 was marginally within Turkish airspace or not, and if truly warnings were issued to the pilots or not - this can be determined by studying the intercepts of the Krasukha Electronic warfare system in Khmeimm.
If the aircraft was within Turkish airspace, then a diplomatic brouhaha will unfold and the resolution will be an apology plus other measures as determined by Russia. However, if the aircraft was NOT in Turkish airspace, then it is an act of war and Russia is bound to act - and it will act.
Furthermore, the Su-25 is a bomber and not a fighter aircraft, hence its defensive systems will be minimal (for those who are beginning to compare F-16 and Su-25) and it was returning back from a bombing mission UNARMED.
Lastly, the final act that will determine the gravity of Russia's response will be if the second pilot is equally found dead. If so, then I feel there is no going back.
NATO as an entity is not a problem for Russia, as if it is determined that the aircraft was not in Turkish (NATO) airspace and it was erroneously shot down, Turkey is fair game. All we will hear is tongue lashing and diplomatic hurricanes.
However you look at it, the situation is really bad for Turkey. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Syrian Border by Appleyard(m): 1:45am On Nov 25, 2015 |
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| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Syrian Border by Appleyard(m): 1:00am On Nov 25, 2015*. Modified: 4:33am On Nov 25, 2015 |
mazeltov:
the last part of your post shows that you are not biased in your thoughts or you pretend not to be - and that is the problem with many people. They don't weigh or make researches before they come online and start posting what they know nothing about.
Meanwhile, I would like to enlighten you or expose you to some facts. Feel free to refute them.
Stealth? Nobody ''hollas'' about anything, nothing special about stealth.
Yes, stealth tech is just a plus to a fighter jet and 'stealth' doesn't mean a complete invisibility perhaps from a ground phased-array radar like the one on growler. Your ability to detect and view a high flying stealthy object depends on the sophistication of the viewing radar. Am I wrong? In fact, when you have an advanced stealth tech with high mach - it's a huge advantage. But most of the fighter jets (5th generation) which we are seeing today are stealthy, Russian T-150 is stealthy, Chinese Y-22 or something is assumed to be the stealthiest jet ever made, the recent F-35 is also stealthy - this is to tell you that, these countries now understand the importance of stealth tech in aircrafts with supersonic speed.
And talking about drones? No!! If a drone is flying withing the range of a ground based SAM so why won't it be shot down? It's wrong to compare drones with advanced fighter jets just because you want to justify or rationalize your point in favour of S-400 capability. The ability of a SAM to shoot stealthy drones doesn't mean the same SAM can bring down advanced Fighter jets. Yes most of the drones can be brought down by SAM because their aerodynamics capabilities are not the same.
Miracle doesn't work here and this is not about magic, you can only shot what is within your range. You can only harm what you see. You can only touch what is within the range of your hands. Don't be blinfolded by your affections and face reality on ground.
Right now, the most sophisticated SAM in the world is Russian S-400. It's a big time threat, yes !! no doubt!! . S-400 ceiling range is 400km, which means anything above 400km is a ''bye bye''. Even American patriot is no where near S-400 '' Fact'!!!
F-22 on other hand has a ceiling range of about 830km, yes none of these have been used in any large scale combat. Let's come in terms with reality. This is not about Russia or Nigeria. I repeat, only a fool would fink that F-22 can't survive S-400. When you started from the begining down to the middle, and a bit beyond it, you made alot of sense. But when you mentioned the S400 having a ceiling range of 400km, and as such can not take out the F22 raptor because of it's range of 830km, you erred big time, dear brother. It shows you are still understanding the Soviet military doctrine of '' under reporting '' which is practically the same with the current day Russia that emerged from 1991. Russia has alot of missles and SAMs with the reported range of 300-500km, for which is also regarded as the official export range of most missiles, especially non-strategic ones. But the truth is, this way of official reporting and declaration have always been a Russian practice dated back to Soviet times. I wont go into history, but, for instance, the cruise missiles launched by Russia from the caspian sea is known as the '' kalibr '', and its officially known declared range was (guess what..) 350-500km. But when that insane missile travelled over two different countries, covering over 900 miles to reach their targets in Syria, some analyst in the west were mouth agaped, why? Because the capability of the missle was far above its officially acclaimed range. It suddenly dawn on them that the missile can actually travel over 2000+km. Now, what makes you think the S400 is not just another kalibr? And if the west is seeing it as the most advance SAM at the moment, do you really think they must have ignored its range? My brother, Russian weapons are made to work, and not about hype. And when it comes to rocket technology and capability, the Russians are lord of the ring. The S400 is design to take care of such capabilities including stealth technology, and can fire multiple SAMs and Pantsils in one lunatic lunch. Even some Nato analyst have testified that there is hardly anything hidden from that piece of wickedness. They are still unable to find answers to the S300 series, which Isreal is practically begging Russia not to sell to Syria, not to mention the S400, and the wicked of them all-S500-sitting on the wheels awaiting entrance to the sinful market of man's ingenuity, as from next year. Maybe when you unbiasly study some of the S400 capabilities especially regarding stealthiness, you will understand why some analyst are of the opinion that the F22 is already obsolete. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Syrian Border by Appleyard(m): 12:07am On Nov 25, 2015 |
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| Foreign Affairs › Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Syrian Border by Appleyard(m): 11:59pm On Nov 24, 2015 |
Shymm3x:
Putin's Speech:
This event is beyond the normal framework of fighting against terrorism. Of course our military is doing heroic work against terrorism... But the loss today is a stab in the back, carried out by the accomplices of terrorists. I can’t describe it in any other way. Our aircraft was downed over the territory of Syria, using air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16. It fell on the Syrian territory 4km from Turkey.
Neither our pilots nor our jet threatened the territory of Turkey. This is obvious. They are fighting terrorists in the northern areas around Latakia, where militants are located, mainly people who originated in Russia, and they were pursuing their direct duty, to make sure these people do not return to Russia. These are people who are clearly international terrorists.
Taking into account that we signed an agreement on deconflicting with the US, and as we know Turkey was among the ones that has joined the US coalition. Since Isis has such huge resources of hundreds of millions and billions of dollars coming from illicit oil sales, and they are protected by the armed forces of other states, then it’s clear why they are so brazen, why they are killing people, why they are carrying out terrorist attacks throughout the world including in the heart of Europe.
We will analyse everything, and today’s tragic event will have significant consequences, including for Russia-Turkish relations. We have always treated Turkey as a friendly state. I don’t know who was interested in what happened today, certainly not us. And instead of immediately getting in contact with us, as far as we know, the Turkish side immediately turned to their partners from Nato to discuss this incident, as if we shot down their plane and not they ours. I told ya, sh*t is coming...... |
