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Missy89:Untested? Just as the S-300 is untested yet the likes of Isreal and Uncle Sam can't stop droolling over it sales to Iran and possible Sale to Syria, so too the T14 Amarta A weapon's capability is accorded respect, not just by it battle-tested, but initially by its specifications. You know that one na, missy ![]() |
Hilariously truthful. I pity Americans. |
Missy89:I mean numbers. Russia have more tanks than the US, and the T14 is a senior prefect to the Abram, except uncle sam have something better than the T14. www.globalfirepower.com/armor-tanks-total.asp |
Missy89:Missy, i understand that alot of folks deep down in western line of narative still don't understand the true nature of the formal Soviet Russia and the new Russia that emerges from 1990, but you shouldn't be one of them na . There are two fundamental principles that governs the Russian military and strategic appealing. These are: 1) the principle of " under reporting " and, 2) the principle of " secrecy ". The above mentioned principles dated back from Soviet times and was inculcated into this present day Russian military circles. I just don't have the time to go into much details, but allow me to cite a few recent example. Syria- before now we have been bombarded with the popular and ever prevailing wisdom in the west that the Russia military is nothing other than a third rate military power, that everything is old and Soviet-based, blah blah! That Russia can not project power beyond its borders, and so goes the fairytale-misinformation line of reasoning in the west. But when the Bear began it mission to Syria, it lunched 26 cruise missiles that hit their targets in Syria. Now, this is where it becomes interesting. The Russian cruise missle is called the "kalibr," and this missile officially declared range is 300km, though the layout and built suggest otherwise. It's export version until the syrian mission was 300km. But when that damn missile crossed two countries, covering over 900 miles, it was a shock to know that the range of that missiles is actually up to 2600km. What does that mean? Well, the answer lies in the above two principles. Under reporting have always been part of Russia's military strategy. And it would interest you to know that Russia has alot of missiles with official declared range of 300-500km, including the Iskandal missile. What if Iskandal is just another kalibr? ![]() Fear Russia ![]() |
mazeltov:Truely, war goes beyond immediate deployment of capabilities and and force. Infact, weapons don't win wars totally! Strategy - to a lesser degree; will power, and the cosmic orderliness of events are the major determinants. |
Yujin:You make sense. The world is gradually entering a stage where wars would be fought and won base on cyber capability and electronic warfare. Just as you perfectly described it, the ability to manipulate the waves, streaming infos from GPS and satellites, as well as lasers to a certain degree, is fast becoming the focal point of most advanced military powers, in that, it reduces risk of casualties, cheaper to develop and more easier to deploy. I think the Russians are very good in electronic warfare. The US is also a force to reckon with in that area. |
9jatriot:Those that know the truth are never blinded by sentiments. Keep it up. |
Tkester:Well, The US still rankls number one in military spendings, and when it comes to coventional capabilities, they are far away in numbers. The truth is, there is hardly anything conventional the US have today that Russia doesn't have either. The only difference is that the US have much of it in numbers than any other country you can think of, except in some few departments like in sub-marines, tanks and attack hellicopters, areas where the Russians fare better. |
Missy89:Ehen! Almaz held that press conference to make public their position knowing that its findings and submissions to the DSB regarding the capability of the said missile and the scenario where it was use, may not be included in black and white in the DSB final report, and it turns out to be so, regardless the DSB mentioned its simulation. I remember that sometime ago, following sanctions in the wake of the clash, Almaz-Antey, in order to aid the investigation, did carried out two meetings with the DBS in which it declassified the specifications of its rockets – the 9M38 and 9M38M1 surface-to-air missile systems. The declassified information included technical specifications, flight and ballistics characteristics, launch parameters, algorithms governing the detonator and characteristics of the warhead, but we didn't see any of this in the DSB final reports. The arms maker also provided the results of a simulated test of a BUK missile hitting a Boeing and described the damage. But in the final Dutch report, all these calculations were ignored. The report also had discrepancies with regards to the metallurgical properties of the missile and size of the warhead. You said the black box was "classified" ,Turns out it wasnt, Now the information released from it is inadequate? Ehen!I still maintain alot of things have been left out. There are 2 reports. One is to determine what happened so that ICAO or whatever will review and raise the standards of air flights to prevent future occurrence. That was the report that was released. The other one is criminal that will determine who was responsible and it will be out next year. The evidence is overwhelming already.Which evidence? That the seperatist did it or Russia did it? Bet me missy, nothing would come out of this at the end. Its just a waste of time on a false flag that gone completely off the mark, though it succeeded a little. We can only wait.![]() |
Missy89:You seem to have forgotten the actual reasons why Russia vetoed that resolution. How can you have a criminal tribunal that can prescribe punishment without initial investigation? This was Russia's contention , and This is where you don't get it. Secondary, the whole thing was becoming politicise, and even some international commentators alluded to this fact. https://www.rt.com/news/311109-russia-veto-un-tribunal-mh17/ And it will interest you to know that Russia have warned before then that it would veto such resolution if their wish is not taken into consideration. So why this hullabaloo about Russia vetoeing it from the begining? Russia's call for independent investigation entails a constituent body devoid of personal interests and one sided line of argument. It was never against finding the truth from the very begining. |
Missy89:Indeed Almaz Antey simulation of the crash was mentioned, but that doesn't entails or represent the official position of the the Russian government, not to mention that the Almaz Antey simulation contradicted that of the DSB. The list of evidential burden of proof pushed forward as " six cardinal questions " by Russia to the investigation panel, remain unanswered till date, and was never mentioned or refered to, therefore, was not admissible and did not form part of the so-called conclusive report/final findings of the panel that was not even independent to begin with. Flight recorder info was released as well, debunking your earlier claim that it wasn't, that was how it was determined that the missile exploded on top of the plane (screenshot added) flight recorder was never relied on, or can not be said to have been relied on, Missy, and you should know that. From the DSB reports, it was categorically stated (in its preliminary report, which also formed part of the final reports and findings,) that the Black Box information showed the MH17 flight proceeded normally until 1.20pm local time on July 17, 2014 after which all recordings “ended abruptly ". The determiniation that the missile exploded on top of the plane was simply from reconstruction of tthe plane from the wreckage using scientific hypothesis based on the position of the plane, the capability of the said missile, and the nature of the damage done. It was more of a case of probability, rather than info based on the flight recordings/Black Box. As per not assigning blame, Lets wait for the criminal inquiry, That is another report entirely. This report however blames Ukraine for not protecting her airspace and families of people that died on the plane are suing Ukraine already for the negligence.Now, this was where i couldn't help but shake my head in pity and awe towards the evils people could go. Never in my life have i seen or heard of an investigation into a criminal matter concluding its findings without giving a hint as to the possible culprits responsible for the said crime. So, the criminal inquiry will now take a seat, spread the DSB report before it, and then holla; " hey, Russia, come forward here, you are responsible! Oh, Ukraine Junta, or you damn seperatists, you did it! Now, interpol, start the arrest! " blabla bla. Ask yourself: based on this findings, what will the criminal inquiry or prosecution rely on for the necessary indictment? And on what grounds (since there is virtually any in this DSB summations) would they base and formulate their evidence/indictment? I dey laf ooo, MiSsy. |
Missy89:Nice one but very weak excuse. How can you have a criminal tribunal without initial investigation? It is like asking a court of first instance to adjudicate on a matter when the investigation as to the causal factors of the crime is still ungoing or yet to begin, and therefore, inconclusive. Is there any sense in it? That was the reason Russia vetoed that silly resolution at the first place, but when she did raise the issue of and independent and open investigation into the said crime, was it taken into consideration? Answer that! It is trite law that thorough and conclusive investigation precede any criminal prosecution, with all the relevant facts in issue adequately summed up and verified. You can take that to the Bank. |
mazeltov:What a joke. |
Missy89:Both. And how did Russia fully participated in the investigation? |
MrPresident1:Wrong! The rapture shall mark the begining of the great tribulation. The tribulation shall be the punishment for the foolish virgins who did not make it during the first flight, and they will now have to pay with their blood under torture for 3 and a half year, to deny Christ and accept the mark of the beast to live freely, work, buy and sell: which they must have to refuse to be saved. The bride of Christ will never go through the tribulation period, otherwise the purpose of the salvation paid by Christ on the cross, would amount to nothing. But thank God, it won't be. |
EVarn:Well, there are places where God did manifested as an Angel, but claiming that Jesus was first Michael before he actually became Jesus, lacks merit and does not have any biblical bearing. |
mazeltov:And you think that is a Russian jet? ![]() |
NairaMinted:You know Uncle Sam is synonymous with criminality. ![]() |
NairaMinted:Not a single word regarding that area i Am waiting to see the pathetic sons of cain prosecuting anyone without the recorded info from the Black Box.Pathetic! |
Obomber the terrorists! |
bonechamberlain:Well, thats another food for thought. I just feel sorry for her. |
Missy89:Missy, even in your heart of hearts, you knew very well that MH17 was a false flag from the very begining. And the investigative inquiry set up was even more dubious, lobsided and bias from the word go. Even common sense should tell us that. What was Belgium, who is not a party to the crash in any form, doing in the investigation? Malaysia who is the primary victim of this horrible crime was initially left out of the investigation, and was only admitted later after much protest and anger by Kuala. The seperatist that were the primry suspect in the said crime were not given a representative in the investigation, and Russia which was alo accused of the said crime was not also represented either. All these are a clear violation of the twin principles of natural justice; (1) The principle of audi alterem partem- which means, " hear the other side of a dispute, " and (2) The principle of Nemo Judex in Causa Sua- which mean, " You can not be a judge in your own cause/case". From the statement of facts as represented by the constitution of the said Dutch investigation panel, Russia and the seperatist claimed to be responsible for the said crime, were not in any way represented in the panel (violation of 1st principle), while Ukraine which is a party to the said crime oweing to its military operation in the conflict zone in the East of that country-scene of the said crime, was seated as a direct member of the said investigation panel. This is outright violation of the 2nd principle. Furthermore, the evidence relied on by the said investigation panel in arriving at their findings, constituted evidence as tendered by the Ukrainian Governement (who of course is a judge in its own case), whose evidence were accepted as valid, while the ones tendered by the other party (Russia) to the dispute were not admitted for consideration. Thus, a good judge or a properly constituted criminal court that possesses the spirit of the twin pillars of natural justice, will declare such a case as " null and void ". The whole process was " void ab initio". Other instances that shows that the case was fraught with alot of irregularities and bias from the very begining: - The fact that there was no reference by the panel as to why the path of MH17 was re-directed by the Air traffick control of the Ukrainian government. -The fact that the investigative panel did not even allude to the whereabout of the air traffick control recordings of that fateful day, especially when Ukraine can not even furnished them. -The fact that the whereabout of the Spanish air traffick control man manning the Ukrainian air traffick control post could not be found till date. -The fact that the investigation panel relied on the secondary radar info provided by the Ukrainian junta, instead of the primary radar info, which the Ukrainian government could not provide. (pathetic) -The fact that the Ukrainian government said that its primary radar was not active during the said period in the East of that country, and so could not furnish such information that would have served as primary evidence. (at this point, i shook my head in pity for the souls that passed on, while bursting out in repulsive laughter as to this clownish excuse of the junta. Your primary radar is not active but your planes are flying and targeting seperatist in the east, monitored ONLY by your SECONDARY RADAR. ![]() Is anybody listening? ). What a world.-The fact that the investigation was conducted in secret and a none disclosure pact was signed by the parties to it. -The fact that the investigation was even conducted by parties with self interest to the case, instead of being done openly by the United Nations. (i pity the truth) -The fact that in its final submissions, the investigation panel did not make ANY REFERENCE to the information regarding the BLACK BOX RECORDINGS. ( "thanks to the none disclosure pact" ) -The fact that in its final submissions, the investigation panel could not or did not apportion blame on anyone, not even the much hyped seperatist as being responsible, as they said its not within their power to so do. ( then why did you embark on the excercise at the first place, knowing that you can not even indict anyone, let alone prosecuting or recommending for prosecution? ) wonders shall never end in this world of sin! -And the fact that if there was anyone apportioned blame by the panel, it was the Ukrainian government for not clearing its air space during such crisis. So, all you people, know therefore that this whole MH17 drama was a sham from the very begining. A false flag that went completely wrong off scripts, though it succeeded in eliciting the planned emotions against Russia. |
bonechamberlain:I think you are correct. But i kept asking myself one question; why shoud Merkel be obliging to the US indirect declaration of war on Russia, given the fact that Germany have much to lose from the sanctions as against any other country in the Euro zone? Why is she putting at risk the profit making base of the German car industries whose major market in Europe is Russia? The thing doesn't make sense to me. But then i remembered the NSA spying scandal, and i realize they must have got something on her which they are using against her. Even Putin alluded to this in his popular Vadal's speech. He said some presidents in Europe can't even appoint their own chief of staffs whithout permission from the powers that be, which you and i know very well. Honestly, it is now very plausible that the US is blackmailing some of these leaders to act their scripts, using the NSA massive spying results. Each time i see Angela Merkel on tv, i truely feel sorry for her. |
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Truckpusher: ![]() ![]() Damn right! And the vulturesare wickedly patient.![]() |
These two nations can't afford to fight especially now, because the hardship that would follow in the middle east would be catastrophic, in that it would more than triple the refugee crisis in Europe right now, which would impact negetively on the EU economy, and once the the EU implode economically, the rest of the world would follow suit, and we all know what that mean; A period of untold hardship and anger. So they better watch it. However, the only gainers from such a war would be oil-selling nations like Nigeria, Russia, venezuella, Angola, etc, as the current prices of oil will sky rocket, oweing to the fact that Saudi Arabia is a major supplier, plus Iran just coming out of sanctions in the wake of the successul nuke deal with the west. The major losers would be those economiics that depends hugely on oil and gas. E.g China, India, the EU, etc. War is indeed a paradoxical irony. |
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philGeo: ![]() Which one, for masters or phd?![]() What of Obama gay, is he worth studying ![]() |
PhockPhockMan:Of course. The people back home must not know the truth. That is the US media for you. Centres of zombiefication. |
When we said that sanctions always have boomerang effects, they thought they can have their way all the time. If there is anyone that has benefited from these war of sanctions, it is Russian, in that it enable them to look inward , exploited and developing within its own capacity, re-priortised its economic and financial initiatives as well as taking bold and concrete decisions like in Syria, (while widening stronger ties with China ) without further compromise regarding the west. On the other hand. The EU is practically the loser in this war. Farmars in Ireland, France, Poland, etc, are still struggling to find buyers for their agricultural products, and they now have to cut down on production since there is no one to buy the suplus goods which were once meant for the large Russian market. Ship builders in France and car manufacturers in Germany are counting their losses, while mother Russia is cutting deals here and there. The EU is the fool here while the US that instigated all these is unfazed back home. Now, with the EU economy facing another downhill pilgrimage, particularly the german economy, they suddenly realize that sanctions don't work anything afterall. Well, is never to late to make amend, if the EU can summon the courage to give the US the middle finger and resume normal and cool headed activities in Europe. Otherwise, more birth pains ahead for the EU. |
NairaMinted:In summary. He just described Uncle Sam ![]() ![]() |
CSTR2:Judicial system? When you have an American so-called democratic system that is suppose to be fair to all, but yet defined by class and race, that is no judicial system either. While Russia judiciary is far from perfect. America's is like the devil's ampit. A policeman can dispatch 6 bullets into the body of an unarmed black man (RIP Michael Brown) and the court will find him not liable to even stand trial, let alone conviction. But in another similar incident where the victim was a whiteman, the policeman stood trial. That is democratic justice for you, i think. Dear friend the US justice system is a class-race base system, with racial profiling as the bedrock of enforcing justice. People don't have to sleep in embassies or go to live in a country for them to show they love or support the policies of that country particularly as it relate to international relation. That i support the rights of Palestinian women and children to live their God given lives against Isreali reckless shellings and mass murdering, does not imply i will prefer to live in Palestine; just the same way people are supporting the cause of Russia/China as against the hegemonic terror of the US in today's world. I always laugh when some of you bring up this silly point. Yeah, people will continue to head for America as long as the almighty dollar remain number one in global finance, and the American people are generally very receptive, (far more than the Russians,) plus the language issue. Not that the US is the best place to live in. Nevertheless, that piece of bomber is awesome, but Ruskies equally have such similar potentials, if not better. ![]() |
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Just as the S-300 is untested yet the likes of Isreal and Uncle Sam can't stop droolling over it sales to Iran and possible Sale to Syria, so too the T14 Amarta

). What a world.