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Missy89:
Underground, Where do we draw the line between free speech and inappropriate and offensive speeches? . It is a grey area with valid arguments on both sides.

What sort of valid argument can one humanely associate with free speech that doesn't have respect for the dead? Just wondering.

speedyGonzales:
hahaha! US withdrew from the battle because of protests at home against the war! and the is the famous photo of the little Vietnam girl naked and crying that shocked the american public and led to calls to withdraw from the war! but whatever floats your boat man, anything you want to say to justify your point I guess!

hahahahaha. You guys could be funny at times. So, US left Vietnam because because of public outcry over one picture of a naked girl? Well, if that is your theory, its alright. But be it known to you that the primary reason why US left Vietnam was due to public outcry, and the primary reason why the public cried out was because America fought a senseless war where alot of their sons over 50 thousand died. That is why the likes of Mohamed Ali and many others refused to be drafted for vietnam. Till date, the families of the dead still go to the wall every year to lay wreights before the names marked on the wall. That is why the US currently prefers contract soldiers like black water in some of their operations-reasons-Vietnam memories still haunts.

Shymm3x:
Appleyard

What do you think about ISIS claiming the Russian plane crash?

In as much as I think it has CIA/MOSSAD written all over but this might be beginning of the end of Saudi Arabia and Russia will definitely strike back. I guess that is why they are not saying anything.

Dear sir, i think its too early to jump to conclusions. I support Egypt denouncing the IS Claim on the ground that they do not possess the capability to hit th plane at such high altitude, but the possibility that the plane may have been downed by an external force, is very high, given the distance covered by the wreckage on the ground. Now that IS is out of the question (except the job was done from the inside,) the question now hangs, who did it? This is where, i dare say, your suspicion is well founded. The only culpable culprits therefore are Russia's sworn enemies particularly as it relate to Syria, and the commander in-chief is the United state of Anarchy in bed with Satan-Arabia. This might just be the much anticipated false flag cum reprisal attack against Russia, but then we may just have to wait for the conclusion of ungoin investigation. However, one thing is certain: if this was an attack, Moscow will strike back, and woe betide Riyadd if her hands are stained, not after offering cheap gas to Poland to undermine Russia. If you have anyone in the MidEast, tell him to leave now, that place is waiting to explode.

speedyGonzales:
US didn't lose the war on the battlefield man, the lost the war at home, because the American public became against the war and asked the US Govt. to withdraw from the war. And Vietnam also had home advantage, were US soldiers had to adapt to...

US lost the war big time on the battle field, and the public back home rose against it because body bags of over 50 thousands were returned home for burial.

speedyGonzales:
Money doesn't win wars? that is quite a dumb thing to say, especially for none conventional wars... I think you need the research man!


"To wage war, you need first of all money; second, you need money, and third, you also need money" — Prince Montecuccoli

“History teaches that war begins when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.” — Ronald Reagan

To '' wage '' war you need money, but to '' WIN '' war is not by MONEY. The US was and still is 50 times richer than Vietnam, but they could not win the Vietnam war. Rather, they lost embarrasingly. The formal Soviet Union was far richer and stronger than Afghanistan, but their wealth couldn't help them in the face of defeat.
My brother, there are lots of factors that determine who wins a war, especially one on a larger scale, and money is the least of them all. Talk about, to an extent, weather, strategy, allies, then will power/collectivism, and of course, the greatest of them all, '' the cosmic orderliness of events. ''
If the second to the last is absent, and the last determinant is against you, you will never win anything, even if you can print money like the federal reserve.

Tkester:
From a Russian was official.


If you think that Vlad is joking about his Syrian incursion you better think again. One thing is very evidential - America ain't do shit, all they could do is just put up a show in order to save face (like sending 50 special forces to Syria). Putin means business and the guys at pentagon (including John McCain) understand that. Putin is a very clear headed guy, who thinks thoroughly before embarking on any action. I've taken out time to study about the guy and I will tell you that he has always been a winner. He knows how to get whatever thing he wants. Russia under Putin is not the same as Russia under Yeltsin, and this is the mistake a lot of people make. So as for Syria it is a closed matter.

Look at the Volta face America has been doing since. Initially they objected against Iran being pert of the political process to bring about stability in Syria, now they've accepted Irans place, Russia got all her recommendations approved in the Vienna agreement. I've always admired Putin and I'm very confident the guy will win. Syria will remain the off the hook of the global hegemon, and hey they better watch it lest Putin comes for their very heads!

I must agree with you. Even Russia under Yeltsin was still a force to reckon with, let alone the one under Putin. The man is a born strategist, one who perfectly fit the Kenny Rogers eulogy of '' the gambler ''- a man that knows when to hold them cards, when to fold them, and when to run. For those who think the man will get bogged down in Syria, disappointment will surely be their mirror.

mazeltov:
[b]Yes of course, this is not new, in fact this is not news!!! The General was absolutely right and so on point, we all know what Russia is capable of doing. Russia is the only country on earth that poses a military threat to America existence and America also poses a Military threat to Russia existence; Russai can destroy America and America can do the same thing to Russia, but the question is, what does Russia tend to lose ? They say: ''Never fight with an idiot else, he would drag you down and beat you with experience. That is the logic.!!

One thing we refuse to understand is that, America is facing two side war. #1 Military war, #2 Economic war.
As America is facing Military war with Russia, so also it is facing Economic war with China. China is a threat to America economic dominance and Russia is also a threat to America military domince which means, America is fighting double battles. But if Russia goes into a full-scale conventional war with America, America will lose a lot, few people understand what I'm saying. For example, If Russia loses N1,000 in war, America will lose N10,000.
If you think Russia ''gragra'' in Ukraine and Syria means military supremacy over America, then you have to wake up. If Iraq/Afghanistan war could incapacitate American's economy, how much more is Russia.
Untill when Russian economy is a large/sophisticated as American's own and untill when China military is as big/sophisticated as American's own, America won't think of fighting any of them. Don't fight with who has little or nothing to lose.
Yes Russia is a threat to America existence and America is also a threat to Russia existence. Final!!![/b]

For the greater part of your time here, you make alot of sense. Ride on.

speedyGonzales:
Fact man, America is richer than Russia... and spends more money on building military defence than any other country on earth! it is hard to admit but Russian military is just not as strong as America's... the only thing the have on their side is Nuclear weapons, but so does India and Pakistan.

A fight between Russia and the US will come down to who has more money to sustain their troops longer in battle... clearly America!

Man, go and do more research on wars. Money don't win wars, and try to understand that military spendings doesn't dictate capabilities. Come to think of it: no war between Russia and the US will ever CONVENTIONAL, if you are expecting that, then i must say you are still living in illusion.

speedyGonzales:
Russia's military infrastructure are older than the cold war era!

The same old infrastructure the Yankees are afraid of today

CSTR2:
This is no news. The russsian nuclear capability is frightening, same for America.
The US is ofcourse scared of a nuclear war with Russia, it doesn't mean they can't obliterate Russia in return.
America has much more to lose than backward Russia.

Russia is backward because you watch too much of Hollywitch movies..

CSTR2:
If Russia is a motherland, then what is America that houses over 50,000 Nigerian immigrants, and a significant percentage of its black American populace are of Igbo heritage.

Then that should make the US a " fatherland", but sadly one that specializes in racial profiling in criminal prosecution and judicial activities, and systematic elimination of the same black race you are talking about. That is the difference. While Russia may have a significant populace that is racial towards blacks, it's government and foreign policies is in the opposite. But while the US may have a populace more tolerant than those of Russia, it's government and foreign policy is in the contrary. I have not seen Russian police shooting unarmed black people indiscriminately, naked their girls in public, nor have i seen their government denying a nation affected with ebola the trial vaccine needed for the treatment, nor have i seen them bombong from one nation to the other, causing troubles and sponsoring terrorist over the globe. This is why we call it " mother Russia ". -standing up against global terrorism and the hegemonic quest of the satanic elites.

babaireti:
By Polina Tikhonova on November 3, 2015 in Politics, Russia

Russia is the only country in the world with the nuclear capability to destroy the U.S., according to Army Chief of Staff General Mark Milley. The General called Russia an existential threat to the U.S., speaking in front of the audience at the Defense One summit in Washington, DC on Monday.
Russia General Mark Milley
Image Source: Wikimedia Commons

Milley also considers Russia “aggressive” and “adversarial to the interests of the United States,” which is why Moscow’s nuclear weapons are capable of destroying the U.S.

The General warned that Russian President Vladimir Putin’s recent behavior suggest the country would be willing to use nuclear weapons. Milley also noted that Russia has been violating “the Westphalian order” ever since it started invading “sovereign nations” in 2008.

Milley has already called Russia an existential threat during his confirmation hearing before the U.S. Senate back in July. Two weeks prior to his confirmation hearing, U.S. General James Dunford used the same phrasing during his own Senate confirmation hearing to become the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Who doesn't know that Russia can destroy the continental US in 30 minutes? So you know and still chose to antagonize a sleeping Bear? It shows your madness knew no bounds. Just tell us you want to get more spendings for the defence budget that will ultimately satisfy the Military Industrial Complex driving America into senseless wars.

“I would say that Russia’s recent behavior is adversarial to the interests of the United States,” Milley said, referring to Russia’s aggressive drills and patrols with its troops, aircraft and submarines for the past “four-five-six-seven” years. “Russia bears close watching,” he added.


While diplomacy is very “nuanced,” Russia must be fought with sanctions and NATO’s confident stance, he noted. However, the General added that the U.S. must cooperate with Russia on matters that require involvement of both Washington and Moscow.

Since you have the license from Satan to kill at will and destroy nations at your chosen, nobody should dare fight back? So you expect the Bear not to wake up and keep " close washing " when you are expanding close to its borderline, unilaterally withdraws from the ABM treaty, increasingly moving your troops to Europe, sponsored coup and installed Neo-Nazis in Ukraine, while you have bulging eyes and long-throat salivating with greed and covetous tendency towards Siberia...nobody should take you serious? You even refered to Georgia where your puppet government under Saakashvili was killing people at will, but you can go about bombing nations like Iraq under false pretext. Your madness is even more complicated in the sense that on the one hand, you want to maintain cooperations with a nation while still maintaining sanctions on the other hand.

Russia’s military far more advanced than that of U.S. – American analyst

Russia is far more advanced and superior in terms of military technologies than the U.S., while the recent American missile tests were nothing but a “bluff” to trick people into thinking the U.S. military could easily counter even such a nuclear-powerful adversary as Russia, according to an American counter-terrorism analyst.

Scott Bennett, a former U.S. Army psychological warfare officer, said in an interview with Press TV on Monday that this is something Washington typically does: it tells its military brass to show off in front of its Russian counterparts, claiming that American missile technology is “the absolute end-all technology that can determine any war.”

The analyst’s comments come just a day after the U.S. military carried out a $230 million test involving Lockheed Martin’s Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) systems and the Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) equipped onto the USS John Paul Jones destroyer.

The results of the test showed that the missile systems were capable of successfully hitting their targets in all but one of the tests. The tests with the missile systems involved a medium-range ballistic missile fired from C-17 aircraft.

During one of the tests, a SM-3 missile fired from the warship failed mid-air in its flight and missed the target. But the THAAD system was capable of taking the failed shot out.

“From a psychological warfare perspective, I see this as a massive bluff, as just a lot of feather puffing, and [it] really doesn’t have a lot of substance because the technology is not there and the Russian technology as we know is far superior,” Bennett said.

Bennett sees this elaborate $230 million missile test as a standard military test, while Washington wants to make it look as if it is more lethal than it really is.
U.S. will be responsible for deaths in Syria, not Russia – Analyst

The analyst also believes that the test is an attempt of the U.S. to assure its allies in the Middle East, who turn away from Washington one by one because of its incompetence in Syria, that the U.S. still has what it takes to maintain influence in the region.[/quote]I believe this wasn't me nor Nairaminted, nor Shymm3x talking. This is one of their own, one who have served in the game before - Bernett - now telling you the whole Aegis show was a bluff and just a show - that Russia's technology in this area is far superior Na me talk am? Well, that should be food for thought for those still living in self confinement of denial on the other side. Truely, the Yankees have been known for hype when it comes down to such level, not that their weapons aren't formidable, but the way they will put it to you would make you feel that is the end of it. The truth is, when it comes to rocket technology, the Soviets have always been king, the US is still learninjg how to fix the screws. Maybe in other areas of technology, you can give them the thump up, but when it comes down to missiles and EW, the Russians rules the streets!

As regarding the downed airbus plane, i don't think there is any connection there. We just have to wait for the analysis from the fleight recorder and the of the impact on the debris, then we can say what.

Meanwhile, the U.S. is discussing the possibility to station more of its ships and naval objects in Europe as a response to Russia’s most threatening naval operations in two decades, according to the new U.S. Navy chief of naval operations.

The U.S. Navy is now reassessing its global stance to counter the aggressive activity of Russian warships and submarines, Admiral John Richardson, chief of naval operations said in an interview with the Financial Times.

“Their submarine force and their navy are as active as they have been in a long time, 20 years or so,” Admiral Richardson noted. “How are we going to posture our forces to make sure that we maintain the appropriate balance and are suitably engaged?”

The Admiral also said that the U.S. Navy is considering to step up its presence in Europe and the Pacific. “That’s the conversation we’re having right now.”

Russian Admiral Viktor Chirkov, the chief of the Russian navy, recently said that Russian submarine patrols have increased by 50 percent from 2013.

Galadima Muhamadu Putin, see what your God-sent adventure to Syria and your 26 cruise missiles show from the Caspian sea has caused? :DNow this hawks of Pentagon are in panick mode while inadventently admiting their handicapness as it relate to Russia, they are virtually saying, ' we need more money to step up our presence in Europe and beyond,' despite having up to 800 bases world wide, arm with a $500 billion dollar military budget, plus a mouth-gaping military assets at their disposals, these guys still feels they are not " protected from Russia ". I pity the innocent US tax payer. As more and more military assets are deployed and stationed overseas, more and more billions are needed to keep them in shape, which ultimately means more economic catastrophy is lurking behind close doors (maybe somebody can tell me what infrastructural and capital economic projects that was realized from the over 18 trillion Dollar debt the US owes, other than the maximum satisfaction of the elites greed through wars). The United States is simply but slowly taking the path of the formal Soviet Union; and each time i come accross people saying the debt own by the US is own to itself, i just can't help but laugh. Its like saying Tkester is owing himself money he borrowed from himself. What a babel!

NairaMinted:
RT Grills US State Dept over claims Russia airstrike hit a hospital in Syria

This is gonna make you cringe and shake your head in disgust. The U.S. State Department seems to be hiring one Id.i.ot after another.

Lies are always complicated, the truth is always simple.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEhv6J0gFHo

Cc: Missy89 Appleyard CFCFan Truthpallbearer Cap28 Underground mazeltov kinibigdeal

You just Have to feel sorry for the Hegemon. It has now resorted to full blown derogatory propaganda coated in lies, trying to make another look like itself. The man can't even comprehend one fact from another. Now that it's plans for Syria has been doomed, with so much money wasted, and no possible returns in sight for the time being, the only thing it can do now is to resort to lies and character assaination - if Russian missiles are not fallen in Iran, then she is only using dumb bombs that are killing only civilians, that a Russian plane got shot down by small Turkey, and now, its the hospital. Maybe the US like to have a brother-in-arms that specialize in bombing hospitals like in Kunduz, and other civilian infrastructures like we saw in Iraq where US and British air forces were directly shooting women and children in villages (thanks to Julius Assange's wiki leaks).
Honestly, i don't see why we should be moved anymore by such silly propaganda from the west regarding Russia in Syria, since they can do no sh1t about the Bear, painting a bad image of its efforts is the only thing they can do for now, apart from arming the terrorist so-called moderate rebels. The major thing i think we should be wary of here is the possibility of a heavy " false flag, " probably one greater than 9/11 and the Syrian Gas false flag. This is realy the danger here, not some ediot in the State Department who can't corroborate one evidence with a simple fact.

scully95:
On point.. You said it all.. In-fact I can't add or subtract anything. The bad-news is NATO can only bully unarmed small countries but when it comes to Russia, it beliefs total encirclement will win any war with Russia. They forget United west have tried Russia 3 times and they lost the war.

Russia coming back this time means one thing. The end of uni-polar world which I support 110%. (Because total power corrupts totally, there should always be a Balance of power..I also support its war in Syria. It's time Russia answer the western Colour revolutions and put a full stop to the Neocons hegemony.

Now we have new players like African Development Bank, BRICS, AIIB and SCO. These are the next frontiers we are looking forward to and the neocons/the AngloZIonist Empire are all out to sabotage it.

It will be all time war. I hope not

Spot on, brother. The Bear has reemerge from decades of self restraint. The hegemon have to be stopped by all means necessarily. NATO knows it's limit, it can successfully bully nations like Kosovo and Afghan that couldn't fight back, but when the Bear is concerned, all they can do is sabre-rattling while Putin does the talking. The new emerging financial bodies you mentioned above, pose significant threat to the US dominated financial world. US fleet carriers converging in the South China sea, does not have anything to do with China building artificial Islands here and there. Infact, they don't care if China sand-fill the whole sea: it has more to do with the Dollar than what people are being told. The rate at which China is dropping it's shares of US treasuries is systematically alarming, and she has to be brought back to the table.
With the Syrian plan now doom to failure, the Hegemon may just go beserk, even as China is threatening serious repercussions over the South China sea.

Gentlemen, war storms are gathering in the Horizon.

scully95:
The use of reason and common sense is out of the matter. Try to apply reasoning and common sense.. First of all interviewing anyone in front of media or camera is old propaganda method and any media using it in complex issues like this to back up a theory is just ridiculing itself and the media it represent in the 2015.Yes this is from the father of Propaganda BBC while CNN, FOX, CNBC,ABC are just sons of Propaganda and Ajezera(Qatari media), Times of anything starting from New york times, Moscow times are Great grand child of Propaganda.. Also voice of anything...
By the way who is still watching CNN in the 21st century ? But sad it still works on some zombies like you may be..

[b]2nd on line is where is the black box [/b]and common sense will not tell you why is the Western part hiding it in UK since the Novorossians (New Russians) handed it over to them..
Answer this question. If you don't answer it then you are just a stupid pro anglozionist empire. You are more or less like them. I got a good news for you. Wake up from your slumber.. They are living in the past and with the latest Russian jamming capabilities,cruise missiles hat travels 1500km (I am sure you will think 4 really fell in iran..Physiological warfare for the zombies like you) it shows Russia is living in the future..


Wake up from fake life, Syria just liberated 8 villages in the past two days.. The game is over in Syria and we are back to Vietnam war.
Wake up from your slumber again pls..

As for the Sanctions..
you are obviousely living in the past, I have friends that lives in Russia. Russia recovered from it pretty fast and even stop the idea of its economy heavily dependent on Oil price. If you don't know Washington already exhausted its card. You said it yourself, right wing in Germany wants the sanctions removed.. It should be the Russians but not Germans but common sense again will not apply here..

Russia careless because the Sanctions is hurting the EU more.. Again another thing you don't know about Russia is. You have probably never lived in Russia. Russian Language is my 5th language by the way. Russia will never start anything.. It does not start a war but always end it. History has been on Russia side always.. Until the cold war. Russia has recovered from the cold war. And now the world is a multi-polar world.

And history has it that the united west fought and lost 3 wars in the past with Russia.. NATO is indifference here.. Forget it, the AngloZionist empire and its permanent puppets and temporary puppets and potential puppets(You fall here) are living in the past.


Lol.. The U.S has Russia caged and Russia intervened in Syria Are you drinking Gbana ??

let me explain again.. Ukraine was used to try to keep Russia caged (So as not to intervene in Syria) like you said but see how Russia reacted to it with diplomacy. The isolation failed. Again smartest diplomatic president on earth is Putin.. How many people died during the referendum in Crimea and go back to History of Crimea (I have been to the Crimean peninsular before)it's strictly Russians. The ottoman Empire(Turks) formed a collation with France and Britain and tried to take it from Russia.. About 150K Russians died defending it.. Crimea was taken back from the United west... Again Nazi tried but what ?? It failed....

Even as we speak Kiev speaks only Russian language. It's only few states in the west that speaks Ukrainian. Lviv, Ternopil and some others.. Which I have also lived before.. So you are talking to someone that's been there before not some dummy telling you lies in CNN.



So get ready and wake up. Most importantly.. Stop watching CNN.. Use reasoning and common sense next time..

Again Russia has a final answer to Colour revolutions (Don't forget Soviet Union used the same Revolution in past).. But RUssia does not need the old game since it can now send power from Caspian sea to the middle east if need be and also Washington or pentagon if it ever tried to attack first.. see topo M missiles..

What is the point of encirclement by NATO.. Russia finally got answer to it. Another NATO country and you see Ukraine repeat itself over and over again.. We saw it in Georgia and now Ukraine... This is more or less a buffer zone.. Smartest foreign Policy..

Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.. ride on man.

ValerianSteel:
Let me put it this way,ISIS is busy killing hundreds of innocent souls,would you feel pity if an air strike from Russian jets hits an ISIS location killing the wives and children of ISIS fighters in their hundreds.

I'm sure a human part of you would feel they are innocent or their husband and fathers crimes but another human part of you will tell you it serves them right because they feel the pain families of those killed in cold blood go through everyday.Someone has to pay for the sins of Russia against MH17,and Karma had its way.

Yes maybe am inhuman right now,a part of me actually doesn't wish it was innocent souls,if justice is trampled upon,nature would play its role cause if you were in the shoes of families of MH17,you'd say otherwise.

And this is the more reason why you were so inhuman back there, trying to justify a silly motive based on a sensseless fact that has not even been deterrmine at the first place. So you were there when Russia shot down MH17, that you can rightly label them as being responsible, even when everyone knew that was a false flag that completely went of the mark. Let me tell you: when incident like this happens next time, try to be human and reason like one. Your IS hypothesis lacks merit as it relate to the Airbus crash. Honestly, i just can't believe you could stoop so low to exhibit such inhuman character, just because you hate a particular nation. Its just like wishing the US an " ill wind " when 9/11 struck and killed many of it's citizens; if someone should say " good for you " because of it's murderous military adventurism world wide, does it make any sense? That was what you did. Oh man, you don't have an excuse, just don't do such thing next time. Is bad!

ValerianSteel:
ISIS doesn't possess the type of SAM that can take down the plane at the altitude it was flying.They are in possession of man portable air defense system(MANPAD) which again couldn't have taken it down.

Even if it's an attack by ISIS,serves Russia right.Now they feel the pain the Dutch felt when they shot down MH17.The flight was fully Russian board except for the three Ukrainians on board.

In all May their souls be remembered in good.

May God have mercy on your soul. So, you can be this inhuman, just because you felt Russia shot down MH17, something even the Dutch Safety Board report did not even mention in their findings?

Well, may their souls rest in peace.

Russia's capability in EW/ELINT is something that one can not keep track of. I have lost count of some of their wicked array of jammers. To say Russia is living in the future may be an understatement. There are reports of ungoing plans to go full-cyber. That is, the ability to wage war in any part of the world from the comfort of your borders and without much deployment to the target area. EW is a major key component of this new breed of warfare, one which is gradually becomming a reality. Now when it comes to this area of warfare, the Russians are like professors in the game. Georgia felt the massive impact of Russian EW in the 2008 war, and presently in the Ukrain, i always laugh when ever i hear people saying the US is training and teaching the Ukrainian soldiers on how to fight and tactics. But in reality, it is the US army that is actually learning and understanding the capability and how Russian EW system works, the extent and damage, etc. This they are learning from the Ukrainians who have confessed they can not withstand Russia's EW capability, and even the US General, Hogson, have admitted that the Russians are a force to beat in this area.
Now in Syria, Russia EW systems is on display already and NATO is not hiding its respect for it either.

So, you can rightly say, the Russians are living in the Future where gigantic fleet carriers and other such large equipments would just be sitting-dock for the enemy in the face of such wicked array of EW and fifth generational missiles.

At OP, i donn't think You have to explain anything. Russian capability in missiles and jamming devices are not something you should argue about. Anybody who does is still living in self denial.

Lucasbalo:
You are absolutely right Appleyard. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are still having a rippling effect on America . Imagine thousands of young Americans dead and tens of thousands maimed and psychological maimed for life. Military Industrial Complex as you rightly pointed out is the main deal behind the eagerness for all the unnecessary wars. Most Americans are not into war unless America is under attack or about to be attacked. For all I care, Middle East can turn to ashes because the people in that part of the world will always hate each other. I almost lost two nephews of mine in the war and that's why it became personal to me. The main reason Obama beat McCain in 2008 was because Americans were tired of the war that almost bankrupt the country. Towards the end of George W presidency, America was losing 700.000 jobs a month and big corporations like Lehman Bros, AIG, H/P were about to fold up and Dow Jones was 7.000. The investment firm I work for almost fold up too and Americans were scared to death. McCain lost in a landslide to a Freshman Senator from Illinos. Now every Economic indexes are back to normal. Dow Jones is almost 18.000 points and the unemployment rate is down to 5.2%. There are presidential primaries going on now and the candidates like Ted Cruz and others salivating for war are not going anywhere. Left to me and millions of America Peaceniks, Putin and Russia can have Syria and all Middle East to himself. He would find out that war ain't cheap. Spending five to seven billions dollars weekly for war will bankrupt any nation talk less of Russian Economy that's hailing. I have always believed that McCain and his war mongering ilks are not good for America. He's in his 80s and how long this he have on earth ?. As long as America stays out of unnecessary and unwinnable wars, America will be fine. Down with Military Industrial Complex. They worry not about human lives, they only worry about making money.

..and you are right also. The blood thirsty elites are the real problem. Thank God the economic situation have change for good, like you said. But we must also pray that God should not allow those warmongering ediots to find their way back into the White House, becos most of what we have as aspirants right now, are nothing but offshoots of MCcain.

sweetgala:
It is a money pit which is responsible for making a few aero-space companies go almost burst, it was first initiated in the early 90s the guy who designed the best ground attack plane described it as cant turn, can't climb and can't beat opposition in a dog-fight, limited pay-load, cost too much to fly, limited flying time for the pilots, spends too much time on the ground for a turn-around.

It is just a bad bad plane, also cost the Canadian PM his job and almost cost the Australian PM, the Swedish party in government hate the thing now i'd say

Thanks alot for this info. People like you are needed to help in the war of truth against lies and satanic propaganda. So, it even went as far as costing someone his hard earned job, where as they keep telling us it is the best plane, bla bla bla
I have said before now that some of American weapons of
war or technological capability in warfare, are mostly held to be the best or the absolute based on HYPE and pure propaganda, not that they are not good or very formidable; but the way they will present it to you would make you feel that there is nothing like it, or its absolutely the only thing you can't get else where.

The thing that makes me wonder often times, is the seneseless huge amount of money spent on defence budget. Who are they defending against that warant such ridiculous spendings? Who wants to attack America that such amount of money must be expended at the expence of the American tax payer? The thing doesn't make sense to me, except that it is needed to serve as a means to an end - the end being the quest for global hegemony by the elites. That is why you see over 600 bases world wide.
Now you have a plane that cost so much in both purchase and maintenance, yet, it can hardly win serious dogfights, can't fly much, spend alot of time nosing on the ground, and all that. The only capability now appears to be it stealthiness, While your health care continue to deteriorate, been rated below Morroco and Slovenia, with Bridges collapsing from old age, and over 50 millions of your people living marginally around the poverty red line. But you can spend so much on a plane that is proving to be a nuisance. Even the F35 that was cleared for official use some few months back, is back again for it's bulk of problems - the latest being it can snap the neck of it's pilot while ejecting. Na wow o!

IdisuleOurOwn:
How far? Is Buhari still missing?

My brother, he is not o.

sweetgala:
Really, there is a certain opinion by un-informed people in general even in US and Europe that western equipment are best, but I'm into my military equipment and subscribe to a few military journals, Russian Kit is seriously dangerous and ahead of western equipment which are often too complex and expensive to maintain.

What is the purpose of an F22 raptor which spends over 72 hrs on the ground after a sortie mission, the Us consequently has to have so many F22 and F35 to be able to maintain operational readiness, at over $150 million / bird that is extremely expensive when this same jet can be outflown, in a dog-fight and plucked out of the air by a Su-20MKM which would land on a crusty run-way refuel and be back up in the air in less than 2 hours.

In a world-war the american economy would be crippled by the cost to operate their equipment, If the Nigerian Army were serious they would buy into the joint Russia/China/Pakistan venture to build good quality, 4++ and 5th/6th generation fighter jets, we can learn how to build with a competent well experienced partner who are not looking to exploit us needlessly.

We can also buy YAK 130 rather than those shitty alpha jets

I just learned something new. So the much hype F22 raptor have to spend 72 hours on the ground before it can airborne again after refueling? The cost of maintainance alone is something else, now this! See as American tax payers money just dey waste for nothing.

Missy89:
If we are using specs to determine a weapons effectiveness. Why are we here arguing about what is what in the first place.

I dont have time digging through your post but if you never said that before then my bad. That said, I dont have anything against Russia. There is a conventional line of thought among anti-american folks. They believe you have to support Russia and China if you are against the US. And banksters control US but not the Russia and China. That will be the greatest lie ever told. Banksters are everywhere lol. Russia is still very reliant on commodities, Where do you think the prices are set?. The banksters had Russia by the balls after the October revolution.

How do you think China was able to develop at a rapid pace in the first place? Go and read about the 8 immortals and their princelings of China or the collusion between the Soviet Union and the West and how the Soviets were able to MIRV during the early days of the nuclear race and how the Soviet union was propped up by the West before it collapsed.


I was talking about money to build tanks not the fighting in Syria

There are limits to how far any country can go when it comes to spending money on a war abroad. The US that is way richer nearly went bankrupt fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Same thing happened to the soviets in Afghanistan, the difference is, Putin has learned from history and he is transferring the financial burden on Russians by cutting pensions, health and education costs and devaluation (risky but worth it) unlike the Soviet leadership that kept living in denial until it was too late.

That said, Building a tank that will replace a whole or half of the current MBT deployed is another thing. And Yes!, There is no money to do it at this point. That is why they are considering T14 exports since more orders will reduce the unit costs eventually. The story is the same with the PAK FA by developing a variant with India since it will have the same airframe.

There is nothing like unrepentant trolling here.If i got something 10 yrs ago and you just have it today is that not playing catch up?

@ the bolded

Russia is spending about $4 million a day in Syria that is peanuts if you compare it to Russia's defense budget. technically, with the size and level of operation that is within what will be classified under a military exercise budget. So it is not a testimony to any effect. Besides, Russia is already staving herself to maintain and update her deterrence ( nuclear weapons )

The reason i like rolling with you is that you do call a spade a spade when it matters so, although you surprise me at times with your sense of inclinations regarding certain issues.

Yes, bankers are everywhere, and all wars appears to be bankers wars. But we can agree that the degree at which these banksters activities prevails in the US via the war machine, is far above what entails in other places like Russia and China, otherwise, i don't see any other reason why the US should be $18trillion Dollars in debt. What were the money mostly used for? Nothing but wars upon wars.

Your statement that anti-American folks are incline to support China along with Russia when dealing with America, is valid, but not in the way it appears to mean. Many supports Russia and China together against America, not out of necessity, but simply out of reality. It is no secret that the US sees Russia as the greatest threat to it's security, while China's contineous rise in military capability is view as a big worry and a major threat in Washington circles. They both have a common enemy, and even as we speak, US war ships are dangerously roaming the South China sea. See why people will support the two? America causing problems and increasing tentions here and there, and we all are fed up with it.

Hoestly, i just don't have the time to analyse how China rose to prominence economically. This also should help.

www.fpri.org/articles/2011/06/rise-chinas-economy

Unrepented trollers are everywhere, sputing garbages without second thought. I even met one recently telling me if it was to be a republican like Bush that is in the White House, the US would have invaded Russia by now. When i ask him what makes him feel so, guess what he said, " that Russia don't have the capability to shoot helicpters, let alone US fighter jets That is a troller for you

Playing catch up: how many capability does US have 10-20 years before the Soviets got to know about it? You can help a brother out here. And maybe there are some little ones the Soviets know before the US came to know of it, and one of it is the recent capability that you can manned and lunch cruise missiles from smaller ships. I believe that is a capability too.

What makes you think if Russia can be spending over $4million Dollars a day in Syria, can lunch cruise missiles that is very costly, it can't afford the purchase of Tanks? The fact that Russia is facing some degree of financial constraint doesn't imply it can't fund ordinary tank purchase if it actually wants to. It all winds down to strategic necessity for the time being. There are other more pressing matters that demands urgent attention than purchase of tanks, no matter how advance. this is the difference between Russia's and American policy makers and risk assessors. While the formal would curtail itself to meet immediate and vital needs, the latter goes plunging in debts spending unnecessarily.

The Syrian mission is a clear indication that Russia can deploy far from home at such remarkable speed and efficiency, a clear contradiction of the myopic line of thought down in the west. And Missy, all these takes money
that is far more costly than some battalion of tanks, not to mention now that Iraq is reported to have given Russia the green light to commence air strikes in Iraq. The question still hangs: where is a suppose broke Russia getting the money from?

mazeltov:
here is my first comment





see his reply


for the fact that you mistakenly won Visa lottery doesn't mean that you should be insulting others. If not because of the little leave that I have, I wouldn't have had time to be trading words with this slowpoke whose retrobulbar moral values has been sunk by high level of illiteracy and foolhardiness.

It is okay. I understand that you didn't throw the first punch, however, as men, and reasonable men for that matter, lets take things calm and forge ahead in crirtical analysis of global issues. Thats why we are MEN at the first place. The MidEast today is like a bubble waiting to burst anytime soon. Both you and Lucasbalo are on the same footing here - the concept of America's senseless wars, just that you guys differ on Obama's weakness and relativity to the MidEast. Each time i take to the news and see what is happening in the MidEast, i begin to wonder what is it that the US have gained from the endless disruption of life in that part of the world. Right from the Bush era, down to the Clinton tenure, the place have been a hub of violent activities; and when you compare theirs to Obama's, you may want to say the man is a saint sort of, but if you are to judge him by the currrent situation in the region, particularly with ISIS and Syria, then you will want to say he ain't fare better either, in terms of a clearly defined policy to the MidEast. This is where the problem is; there seems to be a pattern here - pleasing the military industrial complex controlled by the satanic warmongering elites and their agents like John MCcain, why caring little for the future reparcussions - the economy. They need something like IS and a strain relations with Russia to keep up with the sham cry of " threath " in order to keep maintaining the over bloated defence budget and the MIC. Left for me, Obama's weakness have nothing to do with his inability to confront Putin's Russia, infact, the man faired better in that regard. Bush was there when Russia thrashed Georgia in 2008, and the US did no sh1t! But Obama even summoned the courage to shake the Russian economy with sanctions, and even dare to poke the Bear by meddling in his backyard - Ukraine. So, all these talk of Obama is weak ditto Russia, entails a lack of understanding of the situation. When it comes down to the likes of Russia, there are Red lines you can't cross. No, not when the enemy is more than capable to reduce you to radioactive ash. So when some people shout Obama is weak, is like they expect him to start killing Russians in Ukraine and in Syria. Nah!
Obama real weakness is his inability to free the white House from the shackles of the backdoor shadow government - the 1%ters elites, the greedy, criminal banksters and neo-cons zionist that owns the multi-nationals and the military industrial complex. That is why we still see IS running around and the US playing hide and seek with it. That is why US war ships are converging in the South China Sea, with China threatening consequencies - war storms are gathering in the horizon. That is why after fifteen years of fruitless war in Afghanistan, troops are still remaining there, bugged down and fighting a battle they can neither win nor run away from. That is why Russia will remain " the greatest threat to America ", even though it never shot a pin against America and its core interests before now.

This whole thing goes way beyond Obama alone. Here is an institutionalized and organized criminal syndicate and occultic cabal, with whom you must stand, or turn the other eye, otherwise end up like JFK.

We are talking of Satanism at its peak!

ValerianSteel:
Can we all calm down please.

There's no objective response to the thread yet insults and insults.

My brother, i just don't understand why all these insults from respectable men like Lucasbalo, Dictatorzar, and Mazeltov. You see wetin America with wars they cause?

In other words, Iraq is like, " ever since you've been fighting this ISIS, we have not seen much of the results, not forgeting your double standards - claiming to be bombing them on the one one hand, while tacitly supplying them on the other hand. So get lost lost, we don't need ya damn help ".


Meanwhile, Iraq is under intense pressure ask for Russia to commence flight missions in it's territory.


www.juancole.com/2015/10/wrangle-influence-parliament.html

Article 2(1) of the UN charter envisage equality of all nations, no matter their size or power. If we are to go by this provision, then no nation should be excercising veto power to the detriment of others, especially when it has become a tool for settling political scores, vetoeing resolutions that should otherwise have ensure jujstice in some instances.
But since there is need to have some form of check and balance for the sake of world peace, it becomes expedient that there exist a number of notable nations set up to ensure that sense of security and create the right atmosphere for global peace. Therefore, the current order of the security council should remain, but it should comprise of certain nations from each of the continents of the world to create that sense olf equallity. But as long as that Body remain constituted the way it is now, achieving the aims and objectives of setting up the UNO back in 1945, will remain a fleeting illusion.

Missy89:
Saying a weapon is accorded respect because of its capability reeks of hypocrisy or should i say inconsistency since you wont say the same about NATO weapons with no battle history. Features like auto loader and safety pods for crews existed in western tanks since 12 BC. Russia always playing catch up.

Any military expert will even tell you the reason why Russia needed a lot of tanks apart from being a traditionally land power is because most of the T series tanks does not have a decent crew survivability history if you compare them to their western counterparts.

The T14 is a good concept but until it is deployed, It will remain a paper weapon. That said, If you want to talk about the Top 5 Tanks, No Russian tank will come close to the Challenger, Lecerc , Leopard , Panther or maybe the Type 10. Please tell me what i dont know.

At the moment, Russia cant even field any since there is no money to invest in the project. that is why Uralvagonzavod is considering exporting it to reduce the cost. Maybe by 2025, The Russian army will have few battalions of it and New Western tanks will start appearing and the circle continues.

Accept the truth and answer the question, missy. Is a weapon accorded respect base on battle field experience alone, or also by its specifications? Why this unecessary revving? Can you quote me on any thread where i have hypocritically disregarded any weaponry fielded by the US or its military crony bloc called NATO? Pls feel free to requote me here. If there is anyone that is bias base on such insinuations, it is your likes at the other end that doesn't see anything good about the Russians, but quickly applauds the ones murdering and devastating the earth.

I am not here to compare weapons, nor hype to high heavens the capability of Russia in that respect. But i will never cease from countering the silly prevailing line of thought inbibed and displayed by unrepented trollers
down here.

"Russia always playing catch up", but how such catch ups must suck when it is realized that cruise missiles like the kalibr can be manned and fired from smaller ships, a capability unknown to the west. So much for "always playing catch up".

We have been hearing of how Russia lack the financial muscles to undertake and maintain capabilities, yet it could fire a whole 26 missiles that cost about $700,000 each, not to mention the numbers of intense sorties flown so far in Syria that is more than those of NATO in Serbia and Kosovo combined. I guess it was Dangote that lend them the money they are using now,eh?

Missy, Russia is in deed facing some financial constraint, but believe me, once it comes to matters of security and strategic interest, they will empty the bank to achieve anything. The Syria mission is a testimony to that effect.


Missy, give the Ruskies their due.

Tkester:
My brother don't mind missy, she just like her paymasters are suffering from delusions of grandeur. But the day their eyes go clear na de day dey will make one just one mistake and attack Mr Vlad, that's the day they will know that there is a difference between fiction and reality.

I just pray that T.B Joshua's prophecy concerning Russia and Putin should not come to pass in my time, because should anytthing like assassination happen to that man, na there people go no sey war no be fiction for hollywood and hyping of weaponries.

Missy89:
There is a principle of secrecy/under reporting is in every military establishment. Forget what you see on tv or read online.

Every export versions of missiles is usually in the 300 range or there about. Has nothing to do with being secretive. Missile sales must comply by MTCR regulations. Russia is believed to have long range cruise missile capability way before kalibr was fired.

Then why in hell was the myopic west taken aback when Russia lunched those cruise missiles? Pls stop speaking for the short sighted myopic Ediots politicians in the west that only sees through a microscopic lens when it comes down to Moscow. The fact that even some American and NATO military top brass and analyst expressed surprise at Russia's capability over Syria, is a testimony to the self-inflicted delusional views and perceptions they held concerning Russia, not the other way round.

you mentioned the Iskander missile as being a short range missile, then i brought up the Kalibr issue and the accompanying question as to: what if the Iskander is another Kalibir? Then you replied by saying "all missiles are within the 300km range," meaning you have admitted de facto that the Iskander could be well above that acclaimed range, and thus, not a short range missile as it appears.....