₦airaland Forum

Katsumoto:
It can be done. One day monkey go go market but he no go return. There are people who can do it but it is a question of getting there.

why do i get the feeling that the question of getting there is actually because of the system/structure we are running?

EzzyIzzy:
Hello when you say system encourages corruption,what 'system' are you talking about? Corruption thrives because there is no punishment to deter a would be offender.

Let a sincere man get to the center,he will cause laws to be enacted that will effectively mete out appropriate punishment.
Look at Lagos state,is it not much saber these days,amongst the things the Governor did was to cause the state assembly to enact harsh penalties for road offenders,and you can see now that road users in Lagos have become saner!

So to me its not about federalism

were will you get the sincere man from within naija?

when fashola leaves office what is the guarantee that the next person will do same.

you do not know what you are talking about if you understimate the effect the unitary system masquarading as federalsm that we are practicing.

eku bear

the police in those climes give you a cheque for overspeeding( yes maybe not reasonable for that long strech of road).it is a way for generating revenue for that town.however in nigeria a police man will stop you for egunje most times for absolutely no reason.of course be reat assured that the money is for himself and not for any danm town.



also you have also raised a curious problem in nigeria.Local councils in nigeria do not generate revenue but are allocated money from abuja.so what is the incentive search for revenue if you are the local council chairman.

dayokanu:
Thankfully OBJ, IBB and Buhari were all military leaders at some time, How come OBJ and IBB despite being military couldnt bark orders against corruption . Buhari has shown his hand as anti corruption and indiscipline.

The antecedents of OBJ, IBB, GEJ others can only tell us that its just business as usual. When you have OBJ and Anenih as your main backers

ok let us assume that buhari becomes the president for the next 8 yrs and curbs reduces corruption to the barest minimum.after he leeaves office what next?what is the gurauntee that the next person is going to continue from where he stopped?remember efcc under ribadu and efcc now under waziri?

the issue is that we have a system that encourages corruption.we need to set up strong systems not strong individuals.

people should stop this buhari propagaanda.that was a military regime where at a bark of an other you fall into line.the system of government now is different haba!

violent:
Nigeria was arguably better in terms of average standard and quality of living before 1999!. . .those days, Nigerians were disciplined

my guy let us stop this emotional argurement.corruption started eating deep into the fabrics of this country in the late 70's and continued progressively till date.when did felat start singing those his 'social conscouis' songs? na today?

as for the bolded i see that you just want to joke.even when chinue chebe wrote 'the problem with nigeria' in 1983 discipline was highlighted to be a major problem.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=590472.msg7579456#msg7579456 date=1295649841]There are entire muncipalites across the US whose primary source of income is speeding tickets. Like, you'll have this amazing long and straight highway, very little traffic on it. They'll set the speed limit on it to 65 or 55.

Obviously, nobody wants to drive for 55 or 65 on a highway that can comfortably and safely take 80 mph.

So these towns just flag down people they catch driving above the speed limit (which is going to be a lot) and write them huge tickets.

I remember one time I was driving from Colorado to Houston, I paid a $550 ticket for speeding.

Now, technically I broke the law by doing what I did. But at the same time, we all know what is going on. . . that check I mailed for $550 is how they feed their town. So they have a huge incentive to make the speed limit in their municipality really low.

Now, how does this differ from a Nigerian policeman stopping people for bribe?  

Who knows, maybe I'm out of line, but to me they seem the same sort of thing.[/quote]are you for real

dayokanu:
Remove corruption from our system and 90% of the issue is solved.

We spent $16b on Power and got darkness. Only in PDP, Only in Nigeria

really stop this rheoteric or do you want to tell me that there was no corruption before 1999?

Katsumoto:
If you develop a system of jailing or killing corrupt public officials and seizing all their assets including those abroad, then you will get at the root of the problem. Do you know what you will do in the fight against corruption if you not only jail IBB, OBJ, Anenih, etc but also seize their entire assets? You are sending a clear message that you may loot but your end will be wretched. The worst fear of a rich man is to become poor. If Nigeria signs agreements with most foreign nations, then it can also seize assets abroad and ensure that they are returned to the country should they run.

A sincere Nigerian president can do all these.

the catch is where will you find such a person in our midst?secondly do nigerians as individuals really believe in the system so as fight corruption amongst themselves for the greater good for the country?

Katsumoto:
You develop systems and institutions that will discourage corruption.You do that by empowering and incentivising the officials who run it. Corruption is easy to stamp out but it must come from the top, otherwise it is futile. Think about how Elliot Ness was empowered by J Edgar Hoover; also how Gulliani dismantled the New York Cosa Nostra in the 90's. You always start at the top, the rest will fall in line.

i can understand institutions but you have to explain to me about systems with nigeria and not USA in mind.

katsumoto e be like say old rich men wey dey sleep young girls dey pain you well well.you too dey mention am in different posts

cheikh:
@Nwa Nnewi[/b]



@Nwa Nnewi

Pls what's the role of the Local and State governments in all of this if the Federal is expected to 'infuse' some money to motivate and compensate etc? Are you not expecting too much from a 'faraway' federal government?  Think small/ local solutions for local problems. It's obvious that infrastructural development/planning for the town will have a far reaching impact locally/nationally and internationally so the local government should be the prime mover of the vision/ sell the idea adequately to the State government before 'outsiders' or 'faraway' federal will become interested for obvious political gain just like the 'Airports' in various parts of the country. Politicians do not have long range plans especially in Nigeria where words like 'Planning' and 'Masterplan' etc are 'turanci' Only local people and perhaps serious [/b]State governments can effect tangible solutions for local/state matters- [b]hence in my earlier post I asked - what happened to the Igbo? renowned for self help/ community spirit? Did the war also destroy/rip their creativity apart? I sincerely do not believe that. Serious thinking is needed and not 'dependency' syndrome- on a 'faraway' inept federal government.

people in nnewi have already done that and that is the reason we are even having this discussion in the first place after all nnewi was neither a strategic place for the colonialist nor is it the state capital but the indegenes made it what is is now.

dependency syndrome has already being created because of the kind of 'federalism' or is it rent economy we are practising.

let me ask this question though.since corruption is nigeria's bane by comments here how do we hope to curb it to the barest minimum since according to ola olabiy it is ingrained in our culture?

how do we create a situation where corruption becomes less attractive in the country ?

jason123:
I was but the advantages of federalism is much more that its disadvantages. I have given it much though and I have realised that we all have different fundamental ideologies. The east prefers a totally weak center, the west prefers a semi-weak center while the north prefers a strong center. This are fundamental ideologies that cannot be taken from the people of these groups except through neo-colonisation which we do not want. Moreover, we have different ways of tackling corruption. What might be corruption to the Easterners might be the norm for a westerner or northerner eg nepotism is not viewed as corruption in the north or west until recently. Anyway, the point is we need to take care of our internal problems without outside interference such an igbo man persecuting a hausa man (this might be viewed as an ethnic persecution). I hope you get my drift?

thankgod you finally saw the light.

jason123:
What do you mean by "disintegration"?
Beaf was right about true federalism since we are a people with different ideologies but have a common goal (that is, greatness and the envy of Africa). We all have our strong points and weakness but the idea that we do not need each other after living together for almost 100 years is just a lie filled with pride. We can do with eachother's help. Once federalism is in place, about 60% of our problems would be shaved off. The north, East, west, South-south and middle belt should all control their resources, politics and security but come together, help eachother to move forward and develop. This why corruption and crime would be tackled efficiently while the country is still intact.

i thought you were against it?

Beaf:
Sad to say, it is 100% true. If corruption was a hinder to development, Italy with their mafia, would be wretchedly poor.

Our problem is with our structure. We are a damn lazy country that is pretending to be a federal govt, while practising a unitary system, because we don't want to work. we just want others to drill our oil, ship it, refine it, sell it back to us; while we take monthly trips to Abuja to share oil money.

We lack true federalism and we lack the strong institutions and competition it would bring.
Several cities of the World (including the likes of Buernos Aires in Argentina) produce more money than the whole of Nigeria.

Beaf:
Sad to say, it is 100% true. If corruption was a hinder to development, Italy with their mafia, would be wretchedly poor.

Our problem is with our structure. We are a damn lazy country that is pretending to be a federal govt, while practising a unitary system, because we don't want to work. we just want others to drill our oil, ship it, refine it, sell it back to us; while we take monthly trips to Abuja to share oil money.

We lack true federalism and we lack the strong institutions and competition it would bring.
Several cities of the World (including the likes of Buernos Aires in Argentina) produce more money than the whole of Nigeria.

but the italian mafia does not run the government in italy(i think) though i know about the COMMORA MAFIA in naples but then they are not really in governmnent are they?

ola olabiy:
^^^^
Don't ever trust these people. They are part of the problem. Tomorrow, he'd say corruption. H. Clinton said 'corruption', IMF called it something too.


I have enough facts to say our problem is corruption. And, to an extent, our culture.

pls can you elaborate on this.?

hmmm eku bear will like this

He lauded Cross River which, he said, had successfully partnered the private sector to provide water for its people at affordable rates through communal taps.
However, he pointed out that people still found it difficult to pay for water, preferring to buy sachet water which, he said, was more expensive

how is that possible?

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=590218.msg7578783#msg7578783 date=1295642877]^^^^^

Yeah. Very much.[/quote]is that why there is a strong agitation for anioma state?

i heard warri is more developed than asaba?

[quote author=bk.babe97y link=topic=589864.msg7573710#msg7573710 date=1295588352]Polar "BEAR", Grizzly "BEAR" or Eku "BEAR"?!

Stinking illiterate![/quote]i guess american nigga english has messed up your vocabulary

bear
- 14 dictionary results

19.
to accept or have, as an obligation: to bear responsibility; to bear the cost.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bear

IDIOTA

PhysicsMHD:
As far as I can tell no. I mean Oshiomole is definitely putting in some effort though. When last I visited, they were demolishing/removing and marking for removal homes and businesses that were blocking the expansion of new roads.



Read page 4 of this document:

http://www.arewahouseabung.org/Oseni.pdf

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:i5PkxYQ2vIUJ:www.arewahouseabung.org/Oseni.pdf+authorship+of+major+manuscripst+edo&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjZW3QNSdFNFoyvtLJK8ygl5GTEW3rw10sbai2RCwet0llfIFbo5Fn0_SLMriWbEXDFhiWi5awLYvN_43owJojUTbO-3wUF-lsHxRIVIRxutSWfFvO7jG9BnHU40U_nNV0tBQQ1&sig=AHIEtbRKQAKZNdfjlwgM7CBnurgBkU5bgw

thanks

PhysicsMHD:
Ok, perhaps I misread him.


I don't deny that the federal government has recorded abysmal failure in many areas, under both civilian and military rule, that would be crucial to aiding the growth and development

A good example is the massive amounts of natural gas in the southwest and the coal in the southeast not being used for energy/electricity despite being right in front of us. It makes no sense to me. Perhaps specialists know something that I don't about this, but I've thought about it for a while and haven't been able to figure out why nobody is doing anything with all those resources in front of them.

As per the roads and buildings, I still maintain that outside funding is needed to build and maintain all of that until such a time where taxes are enough to maintain them + build new ones, there's no way a (non-Abacha) federal government will just decide to focus on any one large city over hundreds of others if it can't also pay for improvements in the hundreds of others at the same time.

It's great that they even have a city/state/or regional master plan. That shows the kind of seriousness which is bound to produce results regardless of outside help. I doubt I could say the same for my own home city or state with regard to having a coherent, systematic plan.

Benin no get masterplan?

_{off topic. physics can explain to me how auchi came to be a moslem town?was their an islamic invasion there?}

this reminds me of belfast of yesteryears.anglican dominated areas and catholic dominated areas and any person of a one of tese faiths dare not be seen in an area dominated by people from the other faith.

Secret Killings: Jos Residents Devise Survival Strategies
Thursday, 20 January 2011 05:14 .
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Residents of Jos have adopted various survival strategies as the warring parties resort to secret killings in the troubled city.
[b]The News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) reports that one of the strategies, known as “chameleon tactics”, involved the use of clothes “acceptable to each of the warring territorie[/b]s.

“I wear my jeans trousers and T-shirt if I move to Christian settlements and change to caftan, trouser and cap when returning to the areas inhabited by Muslims,” Shehu Mohammed, an undergraduate of the University of Jos told NAN.

Mohammed, whose campus is in a Christian-dominated area, resides at Bauchi Road, populated by his fellow Muslims.

He added, “The dressing has helped me a lot. It helps me from attracting the attention of hoodlums.”

A female journalist, Mrs Zainab Babaji, who reports for the Voice of America Hausa Service, also told NAN that the “chameleon tactics” had helped her to survive while carrying out her professional duties.

“Depending on where I am going for the day, I have the right dress to match whatever dress code is safe,” she said.

Babaji said that it was “highly dangerous”for her to wear traditional Hausa dress and enter certain areas to perform her duties.

Another resident, Mr Bulus Pam, told NAN that he usually changed his dressing whenever he was going to the market to purchase meat and vegetables.

“If I want to buy meat, I wear jumper, cap and trousers because those items are sold in Hausa-dominated areas.”

A civil servant, Adams John Auta, told NAN that many of his friends had adopted the “chameleon style”and moving around successfully in various parts of Jos. Auta, however, appealed to the security agencies to work toward ending the incessant secret killings in Jos and its environs so as to ease the fear that had become the lot of the people in the past few months.

Meanwhile, hotel operators in Jos are experiencing a drop in business activities following the prolonged crisis that engulfed some parts of Plateau in recent times.

NAN correspondent, who went round some of the hotels, reports that patronage is at its lowest, with few or no customers in many of the hotels visited.

Mrs Best Mildred, General Manager, Hill Station Hotel Limited, Jos said that hotel business was “completely dead in Jos”.

“As you can see, the hotel is empty, few people occasionally come around and this is not good for the business,’’ she said.

She also said that people were no longer patronising the hotels for fear of the unknown and described the situation as very sad.

Mildred, therefore, called for peace and appealed to the people to forgive and forget the past.

“Peace is the responsibility of everyone, so individuals and the government must put heads together to give it a chance,’’ she said.

Mr Ajayi Dotu, Manager, New Era Hotels, Jos, said, “New Era is experiencing zero patronage.”

According to him, the present situation is the worst ever. Ajayi prayed for God’s intervention in the lingering crisis and called on the people to bury their differences

http://www.leadershipeditors.com/ns/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=23568:2011-01-20-05-15-27&catid=51:cover-stories&Itemid=101

tical:
Lmao. .if mode9 records a whole 5mins song to diss RM nd RM replied wiv just an ordinary skit. . Isnt it a shame on M9?? I xpected u to read btw the lines that mode9 ego has bn bruised nd rubbished but your sentiments nd myopic point of view wil neva allow u to notice that!
You r talkin about @alabareports on twitter. .so u actually believe that clownish imposter who aint got upto 200 followers on twitter just because he told u he is from alaba. .dude,your Ignorance might get u duped by fraudsters one of this days. .let me reiterate this,research b4 u post anything here. .GO TO ALABA,RUGGEDMAN'S ALBUM IS MOVING MAAD UNITS!!!!!!!

tosinadeda might be right you know.i got this post below from alabareports twitter page.

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Kalu Akanu:
You do not believe we will be able to focus on these commercial cities? Come on now, what happen to having an optimistic outlook?

not with the kind of governors we have.abia(aba)is a classic example

Kalu Akanu:
Who is boasting? I am simply stating that I see great things on the horizon for the South-East if we focus on our commercial cities.

if okwa ya?

alj harem:
^^^^^

thank you, in a place that is not your country why stay there then when genocide can be committed without other countries knowing

some guys were born and brought up there.they are only nigerians by name.

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=588691.msg7566269#msg7566269 date=1295482351]Umunne m Ndigbo, ekelem unu. I'm happy about the responses so far. Different analyses and ideas springing up here and there on this thread.  Presently, I like Peter Obi's political leadership within the South East Governors Forum. Notwithstanding his ambitions for Anambra limited severely by funds, I see that zeal in him. His love for Ndigbo is indeed in no doubt. As far as unity is concerned, I sincerely believe that the present[b] SE govs. are the best we've ever had politically and will remain so for a long period. [/b]

The administration of GEJ come May 2011, will signal the starting of significant developments in the East. I've gone through the structural plans for Onitsha, Awka and Nnewi and have concluded that the only way for the very rapid developments of Aba, Umuahia, Okigwe, Abakaliki, Afikpo, Owerri, Orlu, Enugu, Awka, Nnewi, Onitsha, Asaba, Awka and Igwe Ocha, is for a joint effort between the FG, State Governments, Local governments and the private sector.

The other state governors in the East should also emulate Peter Obi by providing master plans for their respective cities and start implementation - no matter how miniscule their budgets might allow. [/quote]first bolded must be a joke.


second bolded owerri,enugu and aba already have masterplans(aba and owerri done by mbakwe's government i think) so what is to be done is consolidate on what is already on ground.aba is what it is now because of lack of maintanance and strict application of its masterplan while distortions inowerri is less compared to aba.i am not too sure about the distortion in enugu's case.

Kalu Akanu:
Igbos should focus on all commercial cities in Igboland. The three cities that come to mind is Nnewi, Aba and Onitsha. Let these three cities become the economic powerhouse of a brand new South-East. We have the intelligence and business acumen to make it happen. We can do it with or without the federal government. I see great things on the horizon for Igboland.

just boasting does not solve the issue.movements has to been seen before such assumptions.