₦airaland Forum

the poster is a lady.check her earlier posts.

the scenario is likely to be the other way round.

make una leave this vic-o alone now.the guy go swear gor una o

as much as i see ohaneze as a useless organisation i do not see anything wrong with their stand here.if you as an igbo who knows how volatile the north can be i see it as foolishness to stay there and do business without having any weapons (whether gun or rocket laucher) for protection.

is some ways i actualy blame some of these our brothers that stay there because they will be the first to tell you how 'nice and friendly' the northerners can be only to come home trying when there business or relations have been killed.trust me i have seen quite a few.

Onlytruth:
@topic,

Ohanaeze cannot claim to not see the point I'm making here. It does not make sense for Ndigbo to continue living in any part of Nigeria if they cannot fight and defeat even an army there.

be honest.knowing our people do you really think that they would listen to any person telling them this.sometimes it is better to allow people to learn from personal experience.i have seen a lot of them saying things like 'the northerners' are the best set of people.you cannot possibly change their mind unless something happens.that is why the igbos that live in kano are a different breed becuase of they experience they have had.

that is why they have stockpiled weapons in case of necessity.at least i have seen that one.

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Johnnny:
Na true o, Okocha to me is one of the greatest to play football. The guy is just very unlucky and unfortunate, he could have been a force to reckon with in the history of football for ever.

Just imagine what Okocha can do with a ball without taking a step away from one spot. Imagine his mastery of dribbles and tricks of the game. That is one Legend I will find difficult to forget in a hurry. I still google him anytime I want to excite myself, though Messi is giving me the same sensation at the moment in barca.

okocha lacked purpose during most of his career

cold:
^^^You know & i know and you know that i know you havn't made any sense.Just spewing a lot of garbage. Look at the present crop of igbo leaders and tell me if we can make any progress at this rate.Have you ever heard the proverb about the broom?

you talk like the present crop of hausa leaders you are comparing the igbos have done anything for the north except themselves.have you lived in the north before?if you know and has experienced the kind of poverty that exists there then you wil then you will know what i am saying.all this talk about hausa leaders working together is just for the elite pockets and not there people.it is a feudal mindset amongst the elite.cooperation to keep power amongst the elite while the average guy can be an almajiri for all they care.discuss with the average hausa man you see on the street and get back to to me.

do not get me wrong i do not any progress from the useless set of igbo leaders we have but all these comparisions do not make sense the way you view poverty is not really the way the average hausa views poverty.

cold:
Until my dad passed away,he suffered from shrapnel wounds he rcvd during the war as a captain on the Biafra side.But today i dare say the greatest problem with the igbos are the igbos themselves.See how the hausas unite to fight a common cause,you'll never find that kind of unity amongst the igbos

igbos have never been united in the true sense of the word because of the kind of sysetem of democarcy they practiced by nature igbos are individualistic and it predates the war.the igbos fought that war because there was a 'common enemy'.do not compare them to the feudalistic way of life of the hausas.

if you are ready to become a gatemen for a fellow igbo person to ride unto power then then i will like to meet u in real life.

cheikh:
@asha 80

I don't think that it's peculiar to the so called Western Igbo. Such feelings/so called denial predate the civil war. It has nothing to do with the war as far as the information/interviews I was given. Perhaps the civil war/defeat and its attendant consequence, exacerbated the 'problem' or 'denial'.
No doubt that the mainland Igbo fought but that's not the point I am making - is it? According to my 'research' the so called minorities saw their contribution towards the war effort especially in commitment and human terms exceedingly enormous. I think, in the light of what I discovered, the Igbo should be more mindful/ a little more sensitive in their claims  about their 'victimhood'/war time experience. I am aware that there was actual massacres of civilians by the Nigerian soldiers in places like Asaba(Delta)etc and other coastal places  and none of such experience befell the core mainland Igbo. Pls I repeat, I am not trying to denigrate nor undermine the effect of the war on the Igbo 'Psyche'

i guess you have not done a thorough research otherwise you would not have made such a claim.pls go to onitsha and nsukka and ask the indegenes there serious questions.

cheikh:
@asha80





It means exactly what it is. It's clearly written in English language. The 'Actors' in the actual fighting war know and understand what I am alluding to and need no further explanation. I am not trying to hate nor condemn I've interviewed so many people from diverse backgrounds and ethnicity including the Igbos hence my own opinions are as valid as any 'historian' or 'story teller'. Think laterally

well thinking deeply i understand what you mean especially the igbo west of the naija theory.it is just funny to me when you tell most of them that that is the reason they deny igbo they begin to argue otherwise.


by the way if the minorities you are talking about here are western igbos or efiks are the case may be then i wonder what you are talking about because a lot of guys from the mainland igbo also fought .

^^^ you have not answered my question

afam4eva:
Yes, Aba people are clamouring for their own state. But that does not change anything because things will still remain the way they are.

it might change politically but it will not change economically unless it turns out to be worse if the ngwas decide to move out the 'non indegenes' which will then make aba irrelevant in nigeria.

instead of focusing on good road and rail network na airport them wan build.we simply lack cohesive and planned out development.

Amalaaba:
Dear Jamace,
In the name of God, please don't distort the facts about Aba.
Just like Jos, the original owners of Aba are NGWAS.

The Igbo settlers from Aro and Anambra dominates the economy and Politics of Aba. The leader of the recent violence in Aba, OSISI KANKU, mentioned this dominance as part of his reason for leading the rebellion. The Ngwa have been murmuring for some time. One day, they will burst.

This Settler problem is deep sited in Nigeria. The Warri crisis had its roots in that.

i understand the politics part but the economics part is off the mark.


secondly osiskankwu is just a plain criminal that was killed before he could utter the name of his main backers.moreover osisikankwu is from ukwa.

cheikh:
@Akhenaten
Who else could've suffered the savagery of war if not the hapless civilians ? That's perhaps one of the reasons 'war(s) can never be undertaken by 'simple' minds/people. It deserves serious thought, study and reflectrion.

It's remembered fondly by those who had the opportunity to move away from the war zones and perhaps those doing 'brisk' business, while the so called minorities who actually did much of the serious fighting and dying will never forget the vagaries of war in a hurry let alone wish to participate in any future enterprise of that nature again.
Have you ever wondered why so many of the so called minorities including some Igbo West of the Niger may never wish to associate/identify with their so called kith & kin East of the Niger. Perhaps that explains/ manifests itself in the alienation/'language' denial of many of your kinsmen.
Conquest/defeat, however couched in 'endearing' language 'no victor no vanquished', will always distort the Igbo worldview in relation to the rest of Nigeria. It's understandable I believe, war like I pointed out earlier is not an enterprise for 'simple minds'- the victor and the vanquished usually suffer hence the loss of our collective humanity. There cannot be applause for the Igbos. There are so much 'unfinished business' in Igboland  and more so in Nigeria as a whole. Are they not part of the 'collective Mess'/ Nigeria?
Applause for mediocrity or what?

clarify what you mean by the bolded?

sagamite,ola,katsumoto,ibime and dayokanu are very right about corruption being the bane of nigeria.however i will not ignore beaf's view especially about the kind of structure we are running.

Eziachi:
Please say something meaningful, I don't need you to write a book for me dedicated to how much you hated Buhari.
I am not a Buhari supporter or his foot soldier but calling someone A MISTER FAILURE, whom I am not wrong in implying that your whole achievement in life is probably less than that of his driver is not entertaining.
Mind you, I don't have any bottle to put down.

i thought buhari is in CPC?

morpheus24:
The President did the right thing. He has adhered to the overwhelming voice of his people. It was an honorable thing to do. I applaud that. However here come the opposition sharks who now smell blood and will come with their promises of changing the country when in all honesty its merely a power struggle on what to control.

Long live Africa and ALL its people. Change is in the wind.

Now only if those fools to the south like Gbagbo will do the same thing. I doubt it though since most of the people are illiterate ethnic driven buffons

haha but i think it has more wide implications for the arab world rather than sub saharan africa

PhysicsQED:
There was some truth in here, but also some nonsensical and erroneous claims. I will be back to address this article in a day or so.

we are waiting

T9ksy:
yeah but my point is why ain't the igbos aspiring to be governor in these northern states?

when you see igbos in lagos or those born and brought up in lagos you ask them.

T9ksy:
The igbos never hide the disdain they have for the yorubas. They call us names like "cowards", "traitors",
"loud-mouthed" ati bebelo.

They pour scorn on our most illustrous son, re: Awo. Some of them even liken him to Hitler. They say the man
committed suicide consequential to his guilty conscience of his starvation policy  . . . . ati bebelo!

Yet we allow them back in our cities. we even let them thrive at their various businesses inc. faked drugs which they dump
into our neighbourhood with great abandon thereby killing hundreds of our young ones.

Now they want to rule over us. y not?

Shebi, they have a lot of igbos in the north doing their various biz but i don't see them attempting to become governor in these northern states o. I wonder why?
Prob 'cause they know the north don't need much reason to slaughter them like they have been doing since the 40's and till date!!!

in your emotional rage you forget that yorubas are also wasted there.

dayokanu:
^^ From the antecedents of APGA in Lagos State its not encouraging. Even it was writen that

I wonder how a candidate annointed or declared by Awolowo would fare in the SE

hehehe

Obiagu1:
Igbo language can't die in Igboland, my concern is with Igbos in the Diaspora.

I don't know when they will get it, it's easy for a child in the US or the UK to speak Igbo and English fluently when only Igbo is spoken to the child at home and then learn English when they start kindergarten. A child can learn up to 5 languages simultaneously.

It is this attitude; let me give him/her a little background in English so that he/she can cope in school that cause the problem. A child does not need your English background; the child can pick English and its accent effortlessly when he/she starts pre-school.

I know a little girl that grew up in the North; she speaks Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, and English fluently. She learnt Igbo at home (her parents made sure they spoke only Igbo to her at home), she learnt Hausa from her neighbourhood being born in Hausaland, she learnt Yoruba from her best friend/playmate who is Yoruba and she spends a lot of time with her friend in her Yoruba home, and finally learnt English in school (being one of those schools where local languages are forbidden) and she is only 7yrs old!

most parents do not get that into their skulls.it has been proven that a child from to 7 years can learn how to speak 3 to 4 languages without confusing one for the other.most igbo guys i know that grew up in the north can speak igbo(spoken at home),hausa (enviroment) and english(school).

Abagworo:
The standardized Igbo is not dying but the various distinct dialects are dying.Most Igbos can neither speak nor understand their own dialects and some are even unaware of the existence of their dialects.What I see is a future where Igbo will just be one language while some[b] Igbos that dissociated themselves on time will be the only ones retaining their dialects.[/b]

that is if those dialects have standardized written forms and not just spoken terms.

ChinenyeN:
Igbo people, check his out. . . http://ig.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ih%C3%BC_Mbu . . . raises some questions though, the most pressing one being where the(se) writers are getting their terms from. Obia? Science? What is Ovuru? What is Nzu? Ilunilu? etc. etc. I wonder who is writing all this, and am I the only one who finds this Igbo wiki somewhat difficult to read? as in, I can't really make sense of most of what I read. I sometimes feel like I need a translator.

you will find it difficult(not that it is not slightly difficult to me)because you are not grounded on igbo izugbe that what used in teaching igbo in primary and secondary school in nigeria.what  dialect of igbo will you want them to use? your own  or my own    or maybe onlytruth's own 

the truth is that if igbo is to evolve as a language then something has to give if not for the fact that igbo language has been stagnant for a long time i do not think a new word in igbo would be such a big deal.I wonder if the word laser existed in the english language or dictionary in 1860.

Akhenaten:
The only word that I would not have used in this piece would have been the word "tribalism." I know what he was trying to say, but that word has a negative connotation.

But for the most part, the author did a very good job.

What is wrong with providing security for the Ndi Igbo?

Or communicating Igbo views?

Or promoting an Igbo candidate?

Ohanaeze is suppose to speak on behalf of the Ndi Igbo.

like i said the contents are more cultural than political.if you want a more healthy debate you will know that it is not supposed to be here.the more you stay in nairaland the more you will get to understand what i am talking about.

Abagworo:
I think Jang should be blamed for this mess.He does not want to recognize the fact that Hausas are majority in Jos North.It all started as a political crisis.

Jos crisis: Time for sobber reflection!
By SANI GARBA KARAYE
The recent political crisis, a fall out of the local government election that turns out to become religious mayhem in Jos came at the time to everybody as a shock, when peace is the reality we need to make our country advance further economically, technologically and socially.
It all started as a result of the decision of Plateau state government to use the state electoral commission (PLASIEC) to upturn the elections of opposition parties who had won in some local governments, by declaring PDP as the winner.
The local government election was conducted on 26th November, 2008, and the following day people are expecting to know the exact results, instead, PDP was declared to have swept the elections in 17 local governments.
For instance, in Jos North, where there are 20 wards, and 16 wards results were announced, which the opposition ANPP is leading. But the ruling PDP, sensing its imposed candidate cannot make it, decided to stop announcement of the results and said more results are coming, hence truncating the announcement of the remaining results.
This greatly infuriated the members of the other parties contesting in the elections and before you said Jang! PDP, using state government machineries deployed its arsenal to deal with those who wanted to defend their rights.
It is a well known fact that Jos north is inhabited by Hausa/Muslims who are in the majority and had never had a local government election since 2001, because, according to the then governor, they were not  indigenes, hence, they would not be allowed to contest any election, sensing that no matter what, they would win.
Since then, they have only caretaker chairman up to the coming of the current governor by name Jonah Jang.
The governor has not only associated with this posture, he further makes it a state policy, that no Hausa/Muslim should be appointed or elated in his government, and wherever they are, they would be frustrated and destroyed.
Based on these, Governor Jang ensured that the person contesting under PDP for the Jos North chairmanship is not only Christian, but hand-picked one Mr. Timothy Buba from his ethnic background, painfully of Jos South extraction, outside his territory, all other candidates in PDP were sent packing and never considered.
On the other hand ANPP fielded Hausa/Muslim, who has large following and supporters, but these notwithstanding, he was declared loser despite his earlier lead in the poll.
The way people of Jos North and other places were denied of their mandate, and the innocent people killed, maimed, burnt and displaced with the aid of uniformed men, shows the tacit approval of Jonah Jang, more so, with his unconcern attitude in giving support to victims of the mayhem. Instead, the controversial governor went to the state media accusing others as responsible for the crisis.
Jonah Jang’s administration is fully aware that Jos North is no go area for PDP and his anointed candidate, Mr. Timothy Buba, the local government being the hottest seat and the commercial nerve centre of the state and as such prepared to make sure his candidate scale through by whatever means, hence his deployment of uniformed men to kill [shoot at sight] people recklessly, simply because the people protested against the snatch of their mandate.
Many worship places were burnt, properties of innocent people were damage. Yet, no politician was touched, or any party secretariat burnt. And those killed are innocent, including students; all in the name of claiming a stolen mandate.
This mayhem is far from being political; it is pre-planned with the active connivance of Governor Jonah Jang, his ethnic co-travellers, and these so-called religious fanatics of CAN, which claimed that their perceived enemies, mainly Hausa/Muslim had taken over the commercial activities of the state, eventhough they are non-indigenes, and must be eliminated no matter what, and they, instead, decided to use local government election period to perpetrate their acts.
How can you describe the way uniformed men act [an issue confirmed by community leader, Shehu Ashaka, Sunday Trust, 30/11/2008, Sheikh Dahiru Bauchi, Leadership Sunday, 1/12/2008], in the way they killed and burnt people’s house, the state government indifference to the plight of innocent people, and the lackluster attitude of the central government, which only responded to the crisis after many lives were lost and properties destroyed.
Before now, Jos is a place to visit, live and transact business, but now, with the coming of democracy, the city is shadow of its former self. The former state governor, Dariye and co had never hidden his disdain to eliminate and make Hausa/Muslims an outcast, the same thing the current governor undertake with vigour, and in fact elevate it to state policy.
Jang came with two missions, being from Berom tribe, the first is Beromisation of Plateau, then Christianising Plateau. The way to achieve these is, first, by eliminating those perceived to be enemies of the two missions through whatever way.
Unfortunately, the Jasawa were never allowed to contest in elections, clipping their business by instigating crises, divide and rule using religious sentiment, etc, as the recent crisis shows, where by the lives, properties and business of mainly Hausa/Muslims and few others were torched; all in an effort to make them weaker, poorer and beggars, and in the long run to leave the city, to allow the so called indigenes reclaim their lands.
No place in the North, that Hausa/Muslims are hated to the core like Plateau state; they are denied certificate of indigeneship, admission to state institutions, denied employment opportunities, and any form of support. Their offence is that, they are Muslims. And now, with the coming of Jang, the moves further appreciated to a great length in collaboration with his lieutenants.
It is an open secret that, CAN has its own soldiers, who are participating in many religious crises as they posed as policemen, yet they use their uniform to kill, burn and destroy people’s properties.
It is only in Plateau that neither the deputy governor nor the secretary to the state government is Muslim, even in the state executive council there is only one person from the Hausa clan.
Some may cite Buhari Bello, who was secretary to the state government for a year. Nevertheless, he was removed because the power that be in the state consider it non- sense for Jang to allow Muslim to be his secretary in a state they see and regard as ‘Christians empire’, hence Bello’s redeployment to local government service commission, perhaps before his final discharge! Yet, in states where Christian’s population is low compared to the number of Muslims in Plateau, they do get either deputy governor, secretary or both, Kaduna, Gombe, Nassarwa, Kwara states are some examples.
The challenge before Hausa/Muslim community in Plateau is that, they should put their house in order and defend themselves against any future attacks on them, as the current state government, would never defend them. They must make sure all their properties destroyed are compensated by the state government.
To the Muslim leaders, the time for calling people to embrace peace after they were cheated is over, they should come and defend their followers no matter what, for the humiliation, suffering and embarrassment is enough to the Muslim ummah in Plateau.
A stitch in time saves nine.
Sani Garba, writes from Karaye Local Government, Kano state.         



When I read this as at 2008 I advised all Igbos to leave because Hausas will never forgive these Berom people.The way hundreds of Hausas were slaughtered and some nairalanders back then were praising beromites got me astonished.The only solution now is to allow  the Berom and Hausa to finish their fight.

i do not think it is a jona jang thing.i think it is an 'average plateu man' mindset thing.

By the way where is DRAONEL or Josboy4life They have not posted for long since this crises started.I wonder whether they still see the northern muslims as there brothers.

Akhenaten:
Yes, I should have known. However, Ohanaeze involves itself in the political realm, I thought this topic should belong in the Politics section.l

reading the contents it certainly does not belong here.

jason123:
Good point. But you have to agree that port-harcourt is still a big city in nigeria. Also, Lagos was still there and that adds the competition factor.

competition was not really the issue.the issue is that others hardly invest outside their region.