₦airaland Forum

by the way @monkeyleg why do you say ifeanyi okowa is a thief?are you privy to any information about him that is suspect?moreover i thought he is going for senate or is it house of rep and not governorship?

wesley80:
@asha,
No offense but You do know the meaning of 'IMO' right? And you know so much about how Easterners and Igbo Deltans feel cos u're from . . . . ?
There is no real desire for an Anioma state, in the heat of the agitation, leaders of the Ndokwa nation - a considerable and oil producing part of a potential Anioma state - came out with a communique standing against any division but asking that if d state were to be divided it should retain the name Delta and not Anioma, the region should have 2 of the 3 senatorial districts and so forth. What does that tell u? And about the interest of our brothers in the East, I'lld rather not go into that for safety reasons.

wellyou guys know best about your situation.as for the bolded i do not see any need for that statement as i just posted what i have been seeing appearing on my page on facebook since 2 guys posting there are friends of mine.

wesley80:
@Monkey leg
Could u for once quit whining,calling names and pointing fingers? Have u ever heard that saying that small minds discuss people?
@sapeleguy,
Make no mistake about it, the true test of our unity will come in 2015 When it ought to be the 'turn' of Delta north (not my arrangement) to produce the governor. If the rest of the state can accept a candidate from that region it would be a turning point that'lld unify and strengthen d state for good a la Gej and Nigeria, else our not too hidden differences would be brought to d fore like when ibori openly said he wasnt goin 2 dev a non oil producing capital with money from d states oil producing areas!
IMO, An Anioma State serves no purpose except to appease the Eastern region which is an absurd reason to create a state. We r all better of as a united Delta state.
The challenge we face today is similar to that our country faces - Unity. If we can find it, prosperity beckons but if we cant, we'll keep wallowing in despair.

i do not think it is fair to make that statement afterall the people agitating for that not really are the guys from eastern region.also i do not see how it benefits the eastern guys if it happens.

http://www.facebook.com/update_security_info.php?wizard=1#!/pages/Movement-for-the-Creation-of-Anioma-State/133880459971701

Mobing why fear dey worry you?becasuse that is what your post suggests.what concerns the thread with biafran war and this statement

If we are currently in a war (like biafra) the north would wipe out every single southerner under a week!

very funny.the same people will condem the guy if the guy decides to go against his mother's wishes.

fstranger1:
What do you mean?


Talking about legal residents plus people with ordinary work authorization and student visas

i have an uncle that moved there in 1983 and he and his wife are now american citizens and carry the american passport.will americans governmnent view them as nigerians or americans?

are we talking about nigerians who have not got the blue passport or those are those guys with blue passport included?

come no be this guy wey grow for ngor okpala street owerri be this?^^^^ at least facially?

presido1:
Don't really understand the highlighted.

it is what it means.they might know their villages or hometowns when last have a number of them been there?the houses they left a long time ago are they still there?mind you i said some and not all.

if not for the progroms of 66 most of the igbos in the north would not started thinking in building houses back home.

jason123:
True, I support it but do you not think the jos situation would arise. That is the military might be deployed and they would take sides with the "pure" northerners (as they usually do) which would lead to more massacar of Nigerians over there. I think the be[b]st option is for them to come home. What do you think?[/b]

the problem is that a lot of these igbos in the north do not have homes in the east so it is likely they will become refugges if they come back.

violent:
Nigeria is disgusting!

What kind of society watches 4 year olds fend for themselves?. . .and in this same country, there are over a million groups claiming to help abandoned kids.

Everything has failed, Nigeria will never rise up again, I am not being pessimistic, this country is doomed for hades!

The President has a budget to spend 1.5 million for food on a daily basis, I am as sure as hell if this lads parent had 1.5 million, their lives would probably have changed for the better till forever. .

The churches, and mosques have all failed, I will not contribute my kobo to any of em again, when more people like this are out there!

jason123:
Would the military not be deployed if the igbos "defended" themselves?

whether the military is deployed or not now is immaterial.the issue is if what happened above is true then they should'shoot the fools and ask questions later' since the government anyway is not coming to their rescue now.

these igbo guys in jos and borno should learn to emulate their kano living compatriots and stock weapons just in case of anything.they should know by now that government do not care for anyone.

Igbos close shops in Borno
From TIMOTHY OLA, Maiduguri
Tuesday, January 25, 2011

Photo: Sun News Publishing
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The Igbos in Borno State have shut down their businesses over what they call selective killings and robbing of their members in the state. They maintained that all shops, businesses and other economic sectors operated by their members would remain shut until government addressed the lingering killings in the state.

Addressing journalists yesterday in Maiduguri, President General of the Igbo Welfare Association (IWA), Chief Nnaka Okereke said the security situation in Borno was worrisome, adding that it had defied all efforts of security agencies.
“In recent weeks, it has taken a frightening dimension in that armed gangs are selectively robbing and killing Igbos.

Armed robberies and killings in the past three weeks have been selectively directed at Igbos and Igbo businesses,” he declared, noting that no fewer than five persons from the south-eastern part of the country had been murdered in cold blood.
Okereke alleged that the last killing of Obinna, 29 and his 16-year-old brother at Dala Alanderi was carried out after separating the target from “others favoured by religion and tribe of the attackers.” He said no fewer than 12 business premises belonging to Igbos had been attacked and robbed at gunpoint within the same period.

He hinted that the leadership of the Igbos had been managing the situation but felt it was time to let the public know the situation in Borno, adding that they feared the security situation in the state could degenerate to the February 18, 2006 crisis, which, he said, the Igbos were yet to receive assistance or compensation from the government.

He said the corpses of the victims of the last week killings were still left in the morgue at the University of Maiduguri Teaching Hospital (UMTH) because the leadership of the Igbos were scared of possible reprisal attacks by the families of the deceased in their states whenever their corpses were conveyed home, urging the Borno State government to contact the governments of the deceased home states to make adequate arrangement to forestall break down of law and order.
“We are appealing to the government of Borno State to liaise with the state governments of those affected persons to avert a national crisis as a result of these unprovoked killings of innocent and helpless citizens going about their legitimate businesses in their fatherland,” he appealed.
The president-general said the Igbos in Borno would need assurances from the state government and the people of Borno to know if they could continue to live, hence, they were prepared to move out of the state soon. All shops, business outfits as well as commercial vehicles in the state did not open. Equally, operators of luxury buses had also downed tools indefinitely in support of the course.


Meanwhile, another soldier was also feared dead in Biu, south of Maiduguri on Sunday night as gunmen on motorcycles attacked some soldiers on duty. Daily Sun gathered from army personnel in Biu that two of the soldiers sustained serious injuries.

http://sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2011/jan/25/national-25-01-2011-012.htm

i guess we have to stop education nigerian style to save our local languages ?

Anthony Enahoro: Icon Of Yoruba 'ponbele'- Part 2



http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/taju-tijani/anthony-enahoro-icon-of-yoruba-ponbele-2.html
* Taju Tijani
* January 24, 2011
* More from this author

Anthony Enahoro: Icon of Yoruba ‘ponbele’-2

By Taju Tijani

Apostle Paul in 1Corinthians 14v10-11 spoke with clear candour on the time-honoured importance of language, meaning and understanding. Hear his illumined thought: “There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance. Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me.



” Yomi Akinbami is a friend. He is a likeable, hardworking and God fearing soul who loves discipline and family cohesion. He is conservative, real, but sadly, a hardened Anglophile. The last attribute unnerves me. On my last social visit to Yomi, I unearthed a cultural disaster right under his cohesive roof. Jide, his second son, had invaded my universe the very second I sat on the soft settee. Could it be the ‘perf’ I had on?


Jide’s attitude towards me brought back memories of my childhood and the excitement I exuded at the sight of my father’s friends. But there is one important difference—my dad was never an Anglophile. Speaking Yoruba ‘ponbele’ made my dad looked as cool as geranium. He was a tribal tiger, or a culture preserver, with astonishing, not to say, passionate rebellion against the deployment of English language among his Yoruba peers. Nucturnally, he read his newspapers—Daily and Sunday Times—with such rigid avidity, which, to be fair, formed my formative addiction to English language and love of journalism. Publicly, he regarded English Language as a shatteringly inferior language to his Ibadan dialect. He never hid his direct antithesis to any sign of public Anglophonic air. He burnt the Englishman’s language with cultural relish.


Thirty minutes into my social visit to Yomi, Pauline language conundrum found sudden fulfillment. I called Jide and cooed some words in Yoruba ‘ponbele’ into his soft, young ears. I detected an innocent guilty look in his penetrating eyes. For a few thrilling, anticlimactic minutes, Jide stood motionless. Again, Pauline prognosis became real. That reality would later ignited bitter scholastic quarrel with Jide’s parents. Jide, a son of proud Yoruba ‘ponbele’ parentage neither could speak nor understand the seemingly baloney of a language I poured into his eardrum. To Jide, I am a foreigner- a foreigner to a boy born, bred and socialized in Ibadan. This horrible ambiguity portends a clear, step backward, culturally, which, in turn, represents the triumph of colonial darkness too thick to be dispersed by one great stroke of light or enlightenment. Jide had been held down helplessly in a hopeless bog of cultural confusion.


How could a boy of Yoruba parentage born in Ibadan be cruelly denied his own self-identity by a pair of self-conscious Anglophonic parents with untreated inferiority complex toward the English language? Recently, I listened to a radio programme in Ibadan that expressed social concern for the disappearance of Yoruba ‘ponbele’ among the speakers of the language. The station had a spinster who is looking for a Mr Right. To win her heart, phone-in listeners are encouraged to speak to her, in the uttermost, raw Yoruba ‘ponbele’ without any smallest word in English language. Mere saying ok disqualifies the suitor. For example, a word like television, in its inelastic, vintage ‘ponbele’ is ‘amohun maworan’.

I counted ten speakers but only one scaled the ‘foreign language trap’ hurdle and sailed away, I guess, to a fictive desert island with his fictive studio spinster. The prevailing clichés of the moment especially among some barely educated Yoruba people is the often futile notion and, of course, prideful insolence, of equating fluency in spoken English with academic brilliance, intelligence and being civilized. This fabulous sweeping stupidity has, in turn, sealed the fate of our children especially those with a domestic background where no language is allowed but English language as in the case of Jide. That aside, this revolting and nauseating cultural somersault could also be seen in social discussion. What on earth could encourage two Yoruba speaking friends, colleagues, associates and classmates converse in English language in social interaction? This cultural contradiction debilitates me. It exceeds the limit of contemptuous shame. It is a sad, pompous affair that merely puffs up the ego of the speakers but more damagingly destroyed our Yoruba heritage. Why are all cultural rebels forever proud and gobsmacked by a captive language like English language with all its savagery on our traditional, cultural, cosmic and social life?

Abroad, this appalling state of affair is quite common in the Diaspora where we breed devastatingly illiterate children who could not speak their parents’ language. We exhibit all the ugly traits of cultural vampires who want to know the ‘shires’ more than the owners of the ‘ shires’. Majority of Yoruba people in the Diaspora hardly speak ‘ponbele’ to their wards but rather submit to the colonial mentality of breeding Queens English’ speaking children, which, in turn, elevates as homage to white man’s cultural superiority. The white man, with imperial air, albeit justified, mocks us as people whose brains are emptier than a camel’s bladder in a world where cultural identity is being violently recaptured from its colonially driven forced exile.

Asian, Hispanics, Welsh and Irish are valiant guardians of their traditional languages with no wannabe illusion of wanting to be Shakespearean more than the real William Shakespeare. It is time to retrace our steps backward and relight the doused fire of our noble grail-Yoruba ‘ponbele’- through cultural nationalism against the cultural pollution of English language as our preferred lingua franca. That is saving the future of Jide and our tribal languages from cultural slavery and extinction.

Andre Uweh:
Nigerians in the U.K are less than 700,000.

presido1:
Bolded

i have always had this feeling that that there are up a million yorubas(let alone other nigerians) in london

you guys are lucky the becomrich has piped down on his mapology and when his other ids(egwuofor,bashali,tayo4life,compolove,lookalike) would start a thread and discuss with himself  in that thread.

check any 2008 thread that becomerich was involved in and  witness him when he was in form.

in this era of economic survival guys still get time for cult activities i think say cult activities don dey wear off.

How cultists prepared to set Benin on fire
Just Human Jan 22, 2011

By Simon Ebegbulem[b]
At the last count 10 persons had been hacked to death in the war between the Eiye Confraternity and the in Benin.[/b]

Yet, the two sides were not alone. Determined to shed blood, one of the groups began mobilising its masses for a retaliatory attack on the other side. Firearms and other weapons were cheaply in place for distribution, when the Police, acting on a tip-off, pounced on them, arresting forty of them including one Kehinde Olotu described as a cult leader.

The suspected cultists on parade.

Parading the suspects before newsmen in Benin, the Edo State Police Commissioner, Mr. David Omojola said: “I have given my DPOs a marching order to arrest all persons suspected to be cultists. We cannot afford to fold our hands and watch our young ones kill them selves in the name of cultism”. Explaining how they were arrested, Commissioner Omojola said that “our men apprehended the first set at Okhoro while they were on retaliatory mission for the death of their member who was killed in Ewutubu area.

We arrested a boy that has injury on his legs, he confessed that Eiye people killed his brother and he must avenge the death of his brother. After we arrested him, we got information that they were gathering in Upper Sakpoba to launch another attack. It is a serious situation. The said they woke up to see one of their members killed by Eiye people, but what ever the situation might be no body has a right to take ones life”.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/01/how-cultists-prepared-to-set-benin-on-fire/

Katsumoto:
I disagree; they are not of superior intellect to me. I simply do not want live like they do. There is no price for peace of mind. My objective in life is to be happy and go wherever I can find that happiness; afterall, home is where the heart is. That being said, you can't draw conclusions about me because you do not know who I am. I may be someone who is part of the system but is not happy about it.  

but seriously i wonder why most think like these.if most tunisians thought like this what happened there would never have happened.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=590472.msg7580070#msg7580070 date=1295658856]@Sapeleguy & Katsumoto, I submit to you people that the said powerful and rulers are Nigerians just like you and are probably of superior intellect than most of you. These people are a reflection of you – why do you continue to allow them to constantly beat you into submission while you respond with internet warriorship or outright escape out of the country?? You guys sound brilliant enough to seize power from them! Don’t give me the old story – they have the money/big guns e.t.c.  Tunisia has taken that argument away from you.[/quote]but nobody wan die   or nigerians do not love nigeria well enough for that sacrifice  

Katsumoto:
You asked about the allure of public office when there is no money coming from the centre and I replied by telling you that even when there is no resource, corrupt people will find a way to get to the top as long as there are some entitlements to be gained. Why do you think those guys are ready to kill themselves when it is time for park elections?

that is why i said the bolded.it is not totally going to eradicat corruption unless nigerians will suddenly turn swiss citizens.

asha 80:
you cannot totally eradicate corruption.even in uk some level of corruption exists.however as you are trying to fight corruption why not set up a system that does not encourage corruption?take yourself as an example if you are inherenlty corrrupt person which scenario will you prefer?

1.i simply sit my arse in my state capital and get assured allocation to run my state without actually doing anything

  or

2.i have to be proactiave in generating revenue to run my state whether oyo,anambra kogi bornu?i have to stress myself to marshall a plan that will bring money into the state(ok minus oil states).now in this scenario Katsumoto tell me what will make a man like akala and ohakim want to be a governor?

the scenario 2 helps to eliminate the daft and visionless corrupt person and now leaves visionary corrupt person to still seek power.this now in turn makes fighting these corrupt remnants a bit easier.

Katsumoto:
But you agree that there can be corruption in a small country practising unitary system with rich deposits of natural resources? How do you explain the practices in the middle east where the oil belongs to the sheikhs?

do they see it as being corrupt?

ola olabiy:
Why not leave Beaf alone, abeg. He's only arguing along the line he wants. That's the picture he sees; his pet project.

God idea though and I support it. At least it will alleviate it. But, corruption will still be there just marginal improvements

if corruption stll exist in western societies and asia what makes you think that it would be eradicated in nigeria of all countries?why not we do the thinng we know that will eliminate it marginally and carry it on from their intead of waiting till 2100 when our culture would change vis a vis our outlook towards corruption that is even if our culture will indeed change?

Katsumoto:
Tell me, what service do motor park chairmen you find in the south west provide? If you are a thug and you don't have developmental ideas, what stops you from running a protection racket? Why stops people like Akala from becoming governors and charging citizens and corporations some kind of tax which he can steal? Is that not what England had before magna carta was signed by King John in 1215?

first motor park chairmen in the west to be honest i do not know their relevance with government corruption.

my brother you and i know it is more convenient to sit your arse in in govt house and wait for allocation than hassle citizens and cooperations for tax so that you can steal from them.funnily you might have associates that have businesses in your area of jurisdiction.would it be easier to to tax them and steal their cash?

as for rackets italy also have serouis rackets but would it not be foolish to say corruption is affected seriously italies developent.

recently a mafia racket was arrested in new york US.did their presence affect new york's development?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=186293

ola olabiy:
Thanks for asking him o.

It seems these people don't understand the magnitude and how endemic this corruption is.

those type of corruption also happens in the western world too.merryl lynch,lukos oil ,enron and that swindler in in US.the thing here is even the local council man here becomes a millionarre in 2 months of becoming LGA chairman.

Katsumoto:
You can still have a corrupt system with true federalism, confederationism, or any other political structure for that matter. Surely you are not suggesting that all unitary political systems are as corrupt as Nigeria. Federalism will solve some problems but there is no guarantee it will tackle corruption.

For instance, will corruption suddenly disappear from places that already oil resources once true federalism is in place?

you cannot totally eradicate corruption.even in uk some level of corruption exists.however as you are trying to fight corruption why not set up a system that does not encourage corruption?take yourself as an example if you are inherenlty corrrupt person which scenario will you prefer?

1.i simply sit my arse in my state capital and get assured allocation to run my state without actually doing anything

  or

2.i have to be proactiave in generating revenue to run my state whether oyo,anambra kogi bornu?i have to stress myself to marshall a plan that will bring money into the state(ok minus oil states).now in this scenario Katsumoto tell me what will make a man like akala and ohakim want to be a governor?

the scenario 2 helps to eliminate the daft and visionless corrupt person and now leaves visionary corrupt person to still seek power.this now in turn makes fighting these corrupt remnants a bit easier.