Omofunaab2:




Oh, sorry, I meant to say the awujale has distanced the ijebu people from the general belief that all yorubas have their roots in ile-ife.

He said the ijebus migrated from Waddai in Sudan.. So he might oppose the name "oduduwa Republic"

Actually, I think what he said was that ijebus are not descended from Oduduwa, but that they were already present at Ife before Oduduwa's advent and establishment of his dynasty. He's more anti-Oduduwa than anti-Ife. Though I doubt most ijebus share his overall opinion in this regard.

deedeedee1:

We should be wary of Ijaws too.

You're right, but awon iyen kere si number in comparison.

Omofunaab2:




Yes, I understand you egbon.. You are seeing it from a political angle . . Eguns are members of Ogun state house of assembly, I'm more concerned about the culture and language. if you follow discussions here, many have discussed of having an homogeneous yoruba nation where everything must be yoruba and everyone that wishes to join must assimilate completely in culture and language...

That was the reason why i asked what the fate of the Eguns that will still want to maintain their identity

I see your point. I think that due to our extensive history of peaceful co-existence as neighbours, they've prettymuch assimilated into the larger Yoruba family (most of them already speak Yoruba -- this is also the case even in Benin Rep. from my experience, especially in Porto Novo/Ajache), while still retaining their ethnic identity. I think the present status quo can be maintained in their case, IMO.

Olu317:
Kindly help appeal to other Yoruba here to sheath their anger over other tribes that have been doing evil against Yorubas. Beside, Yorubas married a lot of people from different part of the present day Nigeria. My own family is extremely guilty of such cases. And where do they want to push those one's cousins that had lived or even born in Yoruba land ? My take is that, we should find a way to disgust towards all but be very proactive in dealing with offenders.

There's only ONE particular ethnic group that I feel we must actively be wary of. No other ethnic group has insulted us more or shown as much contempt towards us in our own space/land than them. You welcome them and sell land to them in a spirit of openness and they turn back around and throw it in your face that you are 'lazy', that you owe your very existence to them, and that just coz you sold land to them they have every right to insult you and insult your culture and way of life. I think the rest can be reasoned with and accommodated coz even now they don't drag with us or disrespect us in our land. That's just my opinion.

Omofunaab2:
If i may ask, what will be the fate of the "Eguns" found in Ogun and lagos states in a homogeneous yoruba nation?

Because I think the issue of who to allow and who not to allow, process of migration etc will be one of the problems we might encounter.

Egun is regarded as a separate ethnic group in Nigeria.. Even most of our terrestrial stations in the South west have programmes being televised in Egun language for Egun listeners. . Although i agree most Eguns speak yoruba and also bear yoruba names but they still maintain their identity... People are saying only Yoruba language should be spoken.. What about Egun language?


In the event we have an homogeneous yoruba nation, are we going to make sure the Eguns assimilate completely or maintain the status quo of having them as minority in the Yoruba nation?

I think we have all agreed that we don't want anything igbo or ijaw in a yoruba nation

I don't think we'll have any problems with Eguns, by and large. They've been largely integrated over the years. Oba C.D Akran of Badagry was Minister of Economic Planning in the Western Region under Akintola. I think we've blended well together for centuries without any major issues. That's just my opinion though.

Na wah. Maybe now that 'Afonjas' too are thought to be part of the super-duper race of jews, Cownu and his band of thugs will cut Yoruba people some slack.

Abeg, since when did being a Jew become a fad or badge of honour? Coz me I am not getting this jewish fixation o.

raumdeuter:


My chairman, My own view is even more extreme, I will propose everyone with Ibo blood get out first and those interested in living here start their immigration paperwork with vetting from Yoruba immigration, stating what they want to come here to do.

If Business they must have upward of 20M Naira in a Yorubaland bank account, to work the company hiring them must prove there are no Yoruba or Edo Ebira, Itsekiri people with such skills similar to H1B visas.

And no matter how many years you live or how many kids you have your citizenship isnt guaranteed (Like in UK)

If for vacation you have a valid 6 month renewable visa

Bro, you're funny as hell. Your post right here got me in stitches.

MrMaestro:
I noticed talks about immigration and current non yoruba residents. I am of the opinion that any immigrant can be naturalized. The issue of Nigeria is a big one, and we have to deal with the reality of there being a large number of non yoruba residents that needs to be addressed at the outset. In the initial stage, we must first adopt an immigration policy similar to the Japanese immigration policy. Only investors and those of skilled and technical fields will be allowed. Very strict, and a very low percentage of immigrants. Essentially, expats primarily will be the bulk of foreign residents. Then there will be deportations of those who are not yoruba. Probably starting from criminals, unemployed, and those offering nothing to our society. This will be unfortunate, but it will have to happen. No sane country that strives to be successful and better will avoid doing the necessary to ensure a better future.

Finally, with a limited number of non yoruba residents, and with a heightened focus on cultural revolution, the nation will have converted most if not all of those who are not yoruba to the Yoruba culture, and future generations of these individuals will essentially be Yorubas.

That is it! That's the way it should be in my opinion as well (though I think the deportation part must not be a blanket one, those that are not troublemakers, I mean the one that don't call our land 'nomansland', can be allowed to remain while regularizing their immigration status). If I decide to go and live in China or Germany today, o ti sure ju wipe I go know at the back of my mind say I must learn their language and culture, so as to fit properly into their society. If I choose to naturalize or obtain their citizenship, I'll definitely go through some kinda test or exam to PROVE to them that I've assimilated enough into their society and will be a loyal citizen of their country. That's the way it should be.

omohayek:

Do you mean countries like Germany, Finland, Norway, Japan and South Korea? Because these nations are all founded on "ethnic sentiment".

I don't think there's anything wrong in wanting a tolerant nation that welcomes immigrants who are willing to assimilate, and to swear their primary loyalty to their adopted nation, but the fact is that there is a clear, strong link between ethnic fractionalization and state dysfunction. It should be crystal clear to everyone by now that most Nigerians feel no real loyalty to their "nation" as opposed to their ethnic groups, which is one reason why 57 years of attempted state-building has so little to show for it.

Egbon, you just addressed the crux of the matter right there. That was why Awolowo said Nigeria is just a mere 'Geographical expression', coz truly.. what makes one a Nigerian? What shared values or culture bind us as a 'nation'? None whatsoever, except that we all find ourselves within the geographical space that is Nigeria. Therefore, if one's gonna establish a separate country, you need to have sound BASIS for unity. And providence(?) has already made that easy for those of us that fall within the SW region of Nigeria as we already trace our 'source' to the same original location (ile-ife), speak the same language, and share the same culture and natural borders. What more could you ask for as a basis of commonality? Those ties that bind us are enough.

@Intrepid01

I'm talking about countries like France, Germany, Japan, South Korea, China. Germany is a [predominantly] ethnically homogeneous country. You can't reside in Germany without learning to speak German, ditto French in France, Ditto Mandarin in China, e.t.c. These are the model countries I'm talking about in this instance, and they're all doing well economically if I might add. The few ones who are experimenting with multiculturalism that blurs their national identity are having serious problems with immigrants who are unwilling to integrate today, (a la UK -- where you have islamist fundamentalist immigrants who want to forcefully change their way of life).

Of course, this is entirely my opinion/viewpoint. But let's not be naive here, please.

Case in point. You are probably aware of what happened some few years back in Lagos, where the only Igbo lawmaker (Jude Idumogu) at the Lagos state Assembly publicly rejected the proposition to speak Yoruba language on Thursdays during plenary on the premise that the average Igbo see Lagos as a 'nomansland'. Of course he lost that battle.

In Ghana, the state government had to dust up an old law on their books that was meant to protect certain sectors of their economy from unfair competition from foreigners (in this case Nigerians) a few years back, when it became obvious that Nigerian traders with deeper pockets were exploiting ECOWAS laws to gradually displace their native traders in their markets. Only a sovereign country can do that when the need arises.

Even America is considering building a wall to mitigate indiscriminate immigration that's overburdening their social services.

We can be a country based on the rule of law, but that doesn't mean we have to allow foreigners to come in and just overrun us now all because we want to form 'sophistication' or 'progressive', does it? Who does that? No civilized country in the world will ever allow that. Let's be pragmatic here, please.

Intrepid01:


Bros you have every right to disagree with me, don't forget seeing things in different perspective is the benefit of discussion.

To your question on where I am from, you have started acting like our brothers from across the Niger, once anyone disagrees with them he isn't igbo.

I am a full blooded Yoruba man. The only way to have a progressive country is to be open minded, you can't have a purely Yoruba nation, it is totally impossible. you can quote me. There are many inter-racial people amongst us, many people who were born n bred in the south west and have lived their life here, you can't possibly ask them to leave.

Take for example, there is an Igbo chief in Ibadan, he is a title chief although not on the Crown lineage simply cos he does not have a family house. But the man is in his late sixties I think, was born in Ibadan but his parents are from the east. He's an Ibadan man, he's a well respected chief and part of the decision makers. His children by origin are Ibos but by birth are South Westerners, they don't even speak ibo . are you going to ask them to leave their birth place, ibadan? They claim to be from Ibadan

Yoruba as a race, has thrived more than any other in Nigeria cos of our sense of inclusion, sense of acceptance, once loyalty is shown and allegiance is pledged. We will do better by that, I think.

I don't think anyone's actually saying we have to shut out immigrants -- that's impractical anyway. But the point is that non-Yorubas that choose to settle in our midst must be willing to integrate and assimilate into our society, co-exist in harmony, and obey our laws. Just like the case of the Ibadan chief of Igbo descent you alluded to. That man has been practically Yorubanized, for all intents and purposes. There are many people like that same man already co-existing peacefully in our midst all over Yorubaland even today, and I don't believe anyone here would support deporting them without cause. It's the migrants with land-grabbing ambitions and who are intent on destabilizing and disrupting the cultural integrity of our region and our way of life that should rightly be viewed with suspicion.

I.M.O, Yoruba Culture must supercede any other culture in Yorubaland -- we mustn't compromise with that else we'll be setting ourselves up for some serious problems in future.

Thank you o, Seun and Mynd44.

Jetleeee:
Hahaha this thread still dey sef

O to jo meta

Anyway, we don move go another place tipe tipe.

No time mehn

Na you be the originator of this one naw. Abi you think say we no know?

The thing really pained me to the bone, I swear. And when someone opened a thread earlier in protest against the unnecessary and unwarranted deletion of that harmless thread, the mods deleted that thread too. Why? We were only discussing about how best to unite under a draft regional constitution. I just don't understand.

Generalyemi:



education is not wisdom

Mr. Flathea.d, nobody invited you here. Oya bounce.

FxBase:
As much as I give kudos to Aregbesola on the Medical Doctors sent for training in Ukraine I will be disagreeing with you on those sent to Germany by the State Government in Osun. They did go to Germany but can you point out 1 single value they have added to the economy of Osun since there return?

They are already getting to work, as you can see below:

Those Germany-trained Engineers are the ones running the Bola Ige Mechatronic Institute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keHN9jLtx00&t=1s

http://www.theparadigmng.com/2017/05/15/osun-delivers-nigerias-world-class-mechatronics-institute-bimi/



And the Germany-trained Farmers are equally the ones running the Ranch shown in the video below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeA3WgkgIgE

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/03/osun-set-dominate-beef-market-south-west/

Beautiful! Very beautiful indeed. Those sent to Germany by the state government for Agric and Engineering training have already returned and are putting their knowledge to good use, and now these? Kudos to them all.

India must be developed by the 'hardworking' brothers of Evans by any means necessary

Olu317:
Yo are not Yoruba. Proof me wrong. Having the ability to speak and write Yoruba language doesn't make you a Yoruba person. So, kindly take away your unproductive and irritating opinion away from those who know the true state of Yoruba land.

Glad you know that guy's an impostor.

limeta:




Forget flat head bleeped
We don't want Yoruba
God forbid

Yinmu. Don't even flatter yourself coz we sef no send una. I still fail to get why any right thinking Yoruba person would want to include y'all in a progressive Yoruba country. I don't get it at all. Abeg who una epp?? What value would you lots be adding to the fold? If anything una go become liability to us so just bug off already.

bakynes:

Bro I just have one correction for this your post, The Kwarans are more Yoruba than some Yorubas in the SW forget Nigeria's Geo political zoning. Go to Kwara and you will know. The Yorubas in Kogi are the ones that needs consulting,they are the ones that are drifting away but as for Kwara they are even more Yoruba than Ondo people.

Akoko-Edo and Okun people in Kogi are the Yorubas drifting from the Bigger Yoruba entity.

Relatively speaking, when comparing Yorubas in both states (Kwara and Kogi), I'll have to agree that you are correct, and I think I addressed this in a subsequent post I made after the one you quoted. Though I attribute this attitudinal difference to several factors.

9jakool:


And who was the blind fool that demarcated the Yorubas in Kogi and Kwara to the North. What boundary exists other than the artificial boundary that exist between the SW and the Yorubas in NC. Why do many Yorubas of today act like those in Kwara and Kogi are some type of foreign race. Was that the way it has always been? The Oya overlooking Jebba marks the Northernmost frontier of Yoruba people at least in Nigeria hence the land North of that mark is known as Oke Oya where foreign traders came from.

Somehow one is going to include Ila Orangun, and the Igbominas in Omu Aran are not going to want to join. If Ekiti state is included, won't the Ekitis in Kwara join likewise the Ibolos. Are the Okun in Northern parts of Ekiti somehow more Yoruba than those in Kogi?

In my opinion, Lord Lugard must have been under the influence of demons when ceding what we know today as the Yoruba-speaking parts of Kwara and Kogi to the North. But regrettably, the damage has been done and part of the fallout of that decision is that it fostered an identity crisis in some of our subgroups trapped/ceded to the North. That is just the truth and reality we simply have to acknowledge.

In Kwara, the igbominas, Ekitis, Ibolos, Ajase Ipos, and other non-ilorin Yorubas already pretty much see and count themselves as a part of the SW than the North -- this conclusion is based on my personal interactions with folks from these subgroups. Besides, my own mother hails from among the Igbominas domiciled in present-day Kwara. But the ilorins may be a tough nut to crack for obvious reasons.

You will find that some (if not most) of those denying their Yoruba/Ife origins in those parts do so for purely political reasons (simply to demonstrate loyalty/allegiance to, please, and convince the 'core' Northerners) and nothing more.

yomexp:
but the okun people of kogi (senator Dino milaye and smart Adeyemi constituency) have long stated in clear terms that they want to join their kith and kin from South West in the last national conference

That's awesome, and I see and recognize them as our kith and kin. But then again, on this same very forum I have come across someone from there that denied being Yoruba and preferred instead to trace his roots to other Northern tribes rather than ife -- though his likes seem to be in the minority, besides, overwhelming evidence point to Ife as their authentic origin.

Now, personally I believe in 'live and let live' and feel such a person is free to be whomever he chooses. However, when the time comes to reach a consensus amongst ourselves over Yoruba frontiers/borders when Nigeria eventually disintegrates, such people may become stumbling blocks in our path, thereby preventing us from speaking with one voice during negotiations.

IMO, they need to continue to reinforce their desires to be reunited with their SW brothers. I believe the SW is more than ready and willing to reintegrate them back into the fold. Why else do you think Tinubu was willing to stick his neck out to support Faleke during the last Kogi election? (A decision that pit him against some powerful APC stalwarts in the North) It was simply because he was trying to use his clout to address the political marginalization of the Okuns in the state.

Jetleeee:
That one or two people from Edo and Delta joined in drafting the document doesn't mean majority of them care about Yorubas or would love to be part of a Yoruba country . Please lets quit the ipob-esque delusion. Have you ever seen Itsekiri or Akoko-Edo repping in any Yoruba event?

The only Yorubas outside the SW are Kwarans and Okun people. The rest are...whatever

No need to consult them for anything. Yoruba is Yoruba. Itsekiri is Itsekiri.

Exactly. Only a minority of those groups still openly identify themselves as Yoruba today. The vast majority have long carved a separate identity for themselves and would rather be identified along those lines.

My view is that we start from our current 6 SW states while consulting with those in parts of Kogi and Kwara. If the Kogi and Kwara ones refuse to commit to the project, that's fine and no hard feelings. After all there are Yorubas in Benin and Togo, and they're cool where they're at while still enjoying good relations with the rest of the wider Yoruba family based on our shared historical and cultural ties.

We mustn't allow any petty excuse to rob us of an opportunity to have a Yoruba country. IMO, Yorubas that are currently not a part of the SW fold but are willing to join their brethren must be vocal and at the forefront of making such ambitions and aspirations known. I am sure the SW states will surely support them if they do. But they must be the ones to make the first moves.

Ooduapathfinder: unless your group wants to become jokers in the mould of iPob touts and miscreants who are notorious for stupidly lumping together uninterested and separate ethnicities in their agitation (in this case Edos and Deltans), then you had better remove Edo and Delta states from your document lest they start denouncing, abusing and accusing us via press releases abeg. Yorubas are not known to be land-grabbers or by-force-by-fire attache formers. We don't need that please.

And just like an earlier commenter stated, I am not feeling that 'Oduduwa republic' name at all (it's way too clumsy to pronounce, IMO). But I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

Okokobioko What a lazy, parasitic and visionless leader who refuses to see potentials in his own state.

Fadiga24:

Typical Afonja mentality, instead of tackling the problem, they bury their heads in the sand and wait till the Fulani herdsmen get them in their ewedu eating enclaves.

You are a typical iPob fowl. You don change tone coz I revealed that the victim is your fellow igbo man. God will continue to shame and punish all of you miscreants.

All you Igbos wey dey masturbate dey shout Afonja, the victim is your bloda from Ebonyi o.

awa:
No issue, Afonjas would swallow it for one Nigeria and consider others as complaining when we say such things are wrong....

Watch this topic, they would avoid it... Suffering and Smiling People.

The victim is your brother from Ebonyi.