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obadiah777: TOO MUCH HERESY IN THIS THREAD YES THERE WILL BE FOOD, SE-X, MARRIAGE AND EVEN SLAVERY IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ( HOWEVER THE SLAVERY IS NOT PERMANENT )

Ijaw kid said there will be none of the above.

I LOVE YOU

fellis: If you are talking about the Christian heaven then no, th[b]ere is not going to be any eating or drinking there. There is only going to be praise and worship[/b].
This however doesn't apply to the Jehova witness heaven as Jehova witnesses believe that heaven would be the present earth that we are living on but without the sinners and evil doers.

waaaat

Are you sure you are an evangelist? What kind of heaven is that? Eternal peaising? Seems like torture to me.

informatix: @athiest wetin consine you with xmas?. Allow us chriscians and muslims to celebrate the birth of isa ibn mariam. U go and celebrate d birth of Mengitsu haile mariam ethiopian dictator.

Waaat?

I thought Xmas was a pagan festival. When have atheists been banned from partaking?

Lord_Reed: You use a toilet don't you? How bout you use it to eat your xmas meal? Sounds gross huh?

Utility varies with the instrument in question. Don't get it twisted.

How the hell do I eat a xmas meal with a toilet?

wiegraf: I just want you to note, I don't recall any talking snake encouraging me to eat any fruits. What sort of petty, vengeful creature would condemn a race of beings he created himself for eating....fruits? Whatever that is supposed to metaphorically mean, ie, if you want to pull a buzugee. I thought they were supposed to be good for you and nutritious. Or was he saving it for himself and that just happened to be the only tree availabele? Add onto that that the god is also supposedly omnipotent and omniscient.

Lol

Me neither. I never met no talking snake (or any snake for that matter).

Also, Adams sins are irrelevant because Christ died to wash our sins away. This means no sin from Adam is acting on us. The only problem is that we are still waiting for the washing away of the sins to take effect..... after 2000 years

tobechi20: What wil d maried couple be doing?

The wives will be nagging.... all 100 of them

The man will be crying.

There will be technology so no tv or internet or nairaland

honeychild: Be patient my bro.....you cannot rush God..

Patience

We dont know if the world will end tomorrow so how much longer do we have to wait?

honeychild: Which is why it doesn't work....and you will not find me going to any such false prophet with their false promises.

The bible promises the same things. So if the pastors are wrong what about the bible?

honeychild: When God punished in the Bible, there was always
1. a warning given
2. an opportunity given for people to change their way s
3. a clear distinction between those who serve God and the wicked as well as a provision for survival.

Noah's day, Sodom and Gomorrah, Egypt in Pharaohs' day, even the stubborn children of Israel in Jeremiah's day.

Which is why I say the evils we see today are not a judgement from God. Just signs of a world gone crazy.

I dont understand the bolded part. How has the world gone crazy? Has God lost control? Is the world any less crazy than it was 1000 or 2000 years ago... or even 50 years ago?

In regards to your 3 points can we be sure the righteous received these warnings? How do we know they didnt respond? There is no way to know these things. Again in the bible God mentioned to Abraham that he would never destroy a city if it had up to 1 righteous person there. That can be expressed to mean any natural disaster would only claim the lives of the non righteous. Does that mean that all those who died in hurricane Katrina etc were non righteous?

honeychild: if I design a knife for use in cutting vegetables and you use it to stab your wife in a fit of anger will any right thinking person blame me for that? Especially if I enclosed with the knife clear directions on how to use it safely and on the dangers of misusing it?

Not good enough a description. If I was mentally unstable and you gave me the knife you would be held accountable. We are so different in intellect, ages, religious backgrounds etc that clearly no one law/rule can ever fit all. If God designed me to be an Atheist then I would end up being one. Why would I be punished for something I was designed to be? How can a designer be absolved from the flaws of their design?

bilms: Because they went to a church were they do not belong

They werent causing trouble. They were just there to worship. Nothing wrong with that.

So if a Xtian went into a mosque they deserve to be humilisted and beaten.

Also, it was a youth. The young lady might have been confused. How can anyone be certain she was actually a winsh?

tobechi74: ' in heaven there would be no physical body. U wont have P e N i s . No br.EAS t. Hence no S . E . X.no mariage

No sex does not mean no marriage.

inurmind: next question, will the mansion in heaven come with a flatscreen tv, sport cars and blonde sexy chicks?

That part scared me a great deal

Speaking to obadiah, he said in heaven we can have as many wives as we want... even up to 100.

However, ijawkid stated on my heaven thread that there is no sex in heaven

Imagine going to heaven, picking 100 wives only to find out that there is no sex

Eternity with 100 sexy blonde wives and no sex.... that is like a hell in heaven

tobechi74: ,for u to be thinkin of food in heaven, are u lacking food on earth?

Lol. Maybe he wants to enjoy caviar and all the earthly delights promised to him

seyibrown: Are these people seriously concerned about the amputees or just the mocking of God? They are not really concerned about the amputees ... their goal is to mock and point out that the God they don't believe exists cannot replace a limb, when in actual fact, he can and he does! Those who are blind to miracles can never see them. Even the pharisees who saw Christ's miracles attributed it to the devil. Their minds are made up that God does not restore missing limbs or parts, and even a live demonstration of a restoration will not convince them!

But on a serious note amputees would prefer to have their missing limb if it was possible.

And just to clarify you are now changing your stance from "they dont need healing" to "they can be healed"?

pDude: A long time ago, Otedollar gave a girl belle. Now the woman wants her own share of the dollar using the pretence that she is searching for her daughter

Na the normal naija yama yama talk about you give me belle 30 yrs ago bla bla bla.

Good summary.

She looks sort of old for a 21 yr old. Or is it me

This is a sadistic joke. And some ppl are giving away their last pennie

Why wont poverty be rampant..... even the religious men are taking this obsession too far.

This is true. It is better to look for practical solutions to problems and pray that you dont decieve yourself with pointless praying.

Imagine someone on aids antiretrovirals abandoning the treatment for the miracle of prayer? We all know how it ended up

tintingz: Ofcos yes! Food, drinks and marriage

Lol.... so is there food or not

Lord_Reed: First off all that narration was unnecessary to the question; you seem to be mocking someone, I can't pick if its you, God, Church or the pastor you are mocking. Somehow I think you've made up your mind that religion is a farce but truth is spirituality goes beyond religion to the very core of the Human Being and that part you shouldn't mock.

As for the question, even Jesus said God can use stones to accomplish a task so what is the biggie if He uses an atheist? Your Christian folks may have been blind to the occasion and it maybe God wants to open their eyes to see that type of situation as a chance to show love.

God uses even the devil

God is entertaining. He always delivers... even when he doesnt deliver he delivers

honeychild: You call being in an accident a punishment. Who is doing the punishing? God has not started doing any judging or punishment yet....whatever happens to me or you right now is not a punishment. It is just a consequences of decisions made by humans.

As for Jesus dying to wash away our sins, we have not yet started to enjoy all the benefits of Christ's death. For now all we have are the spiritual benefits. I can talk to God without needing a priest or sacrificing a lamb today because Jesus died. The physical aspects - perfection, freedom from poverty, sickness and pain and all problems... that is still some time into the future.

So God does not punish ppl on earth?? What about Sodom and Gomorrah?

Isnt God responsible by design for all things? Can God not protect his beloved flock? If not then the bible is false. If He can then how do you explain the deaths of believers in these type of situations?

In regards to Christ washing away our sins.... that was 2000 years ago!!!!! At one point will we start enjoying the rewards

In summation, you are stating that Xtians are no better off or worse in the physical sense than their counterparts. In this world they are just as susceptible as anyone else to harm, illness etc. That appears to be correct. So how do you explain the bibles stance that God protects us in this earth from harm? Also, so many pastors offer protection through prayer etc. Why bother if it will not work?

Lovethywilbedon: You are very wrong by saying that Hitler is not an atheist and you are very very wrong by saying that "ONLY"(exactly) 6million Jews died. You forgot that the figure 7million is an approximation, the exact figure is hundreds of thousand above 6million, but that should'nt have stoped you from ansering my question. By the way, What is the connection between my simple question and the Catholic Church. This goes a long way to show how crafty you atheist (Decendants of Apes) can be, by trying to change the topic when you can't answer a question. You can't dodge this very question. You said that there is no darkness except the absence of its opposite(light) and that "THERE IS NO EVIL" except the absence of its opposite. My SIMPLE QUESTION remains, "The killing of approximatly 7millon Jews by a fellow atheist, Adolf Hitler, is it EVIL or not. Please answer the question and stop dodging.

Hitler is one of the bloodiest ppl in history. And he is a Xtian. He was killing jews for f@@ks sake for religious purposes. He even killed Jehovahs witnesses.

Look into properly. He is a Xtian.

Merry Xmas to all

honeychild: He is God because He created the earth and all that is in it. Unlike a lot of Christians her[b]e, I do not believe God has promised that he will protect his worshippers completely from every misfortune[/b].

Early in man's history, God was accused of employing bribery to get Humans to worship him.

Satan: Does Job fear God for nothing? You have blessed him and protected him......threaten a man's life and see if he will not curse You to Your face. - Job chapter 1 & 2.

So to put that accusation to rest God will not protect his Servants from calamity. They have to go through what every other person goes through.

1Corinthians 10: 13-15:
No temptation ( or test ) has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tried beyond what you can bear. But when you are tested he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

So what God promises his worshippers is the FORTITUDE to endure tragedy... not protection from all tragedy.

If so then now I know why a lot Xtians in Nig rely on rhe double dutch style of spiritual protection.... God and other fetish things combined

honeychild: When you make choices you have to live with the consequences. Humankind in general have chosen to be independent from God. Even those of us shouting about how much we love God...are we really allowing him to decide how we live our lives? Forget all these people here screaming about being led by the Spirit - do they live by his Standards of morality?

Anyway not to get sidetracked.. the Bible says that when Adam and Eve chose independence from God, he left them and their offspring (me and you) to make whatever we want to make of our independence.

I am sure you can agree with me that we have not done such a good job of it.

So if I was a loving, caring, god fearing Xtian but shared the same class as a devil worshipper I stand the risk of being punished for the demon worshippers sins? Is this fair? If not then God is not just.

Whatever Adam and Eve did is irrelevant!!!!! Christ died to wash away our sins and hence this should not apply.

bilms: Everyone has the right

If so, why are "winshes for jesus" being slapped oyedepo style

Wishing all nairalanders a Merry Xmas.

Party hard, celebrate and be merry.

More importantly be safe and come back afterwards so we can debate more

PS: TO BOKO HARAM, pls take a vacation this year and quit the bombing.

Martian: When I was in middle school and high school, the Bone Thugs used to be the " illuminati devil worshippers" according to ignorant people like Bidam and the monkey called Babaearly.
Now years later, people are still dumb and ignorant, and they are still making the same irrational and idiotic claims.
Kanye, jay z and the rest of these clowns you gnoramuses place on a pedestal are nothing but entertainers who are clever enough to provoke their audience with silly superstitions.
99% of rappers would not be knowledgeable or educated enough to be a part of an organization like the illuminati, if it actually existed.

I remember. Bone thugz, Natas, Grave diggaz etc. I bumped into Esham of Natas and he admitted it was all for the money.

bilms: yea

Or didnt I?

honeychild: Briefly:
1. God created humans with a special gift called 'free-will.' Humans have been utilizing this gift in making choices ever since our first parents decided they wanted independence from Him.

2. When Humans choose to use their free will to do evil God does not stop them. It would not truly be 'free will' if he stops us each time we want to do something he does not agree with.


3. Sometimes a person misuses his free will and others get hurt. Sometimes it is just a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Ecclesiastes 9:11 - The race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong, nor does food come to the wise or wealth to the brilliant or favor to the learned; but time and chance befall them all.

Humans have chosen a path of independence from God. We can't turn around and blame Him when we reap the fruitage.

So someone gets punished for the sins of others... how is that fair?

So God cannot protect his own? How is He GOD?

How do you explain natural disasters?

bilms: ur name speaks it all

But I raised a good point.

Mr_Anony: If you read it, what does it say about human tragedy to you?

What it says to me is irrelevant. I am not a practising Xtian (or a Xtian in that regard). So I am not bound by or neither do I live by any Xtian laws, ideals etc.

You however as a Xtian, are able to shed light on how such events are perceived.

So go ahead bro and answer my questions

Mr_Anony: have you read it?

Yes.

I would prefer you post your interpretation with a good solid discussion afterwards.