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Typical Xtian.

Cant debate with us so he has decided to attack us.

If this was couple hundred years ago they would have started a genocide or "crusade" against atheists.

The good thing about atheists is that we debate, discuss and argue. Isnt that how ppl learn? If you can put forward some good points for your debate then you can do a service to your religion.

ooman: About 2000 years ago, there was no christianity, about 1000 years ago, there was no islam. The world was a better place then.

But now, there is christianity and islam, but progress keep petering out in the world always. People are now noticing this and in the next 2000 years to come, there will be no more religion. Muslims would have killed all christians, then kill themselves in suicide bombing. That is funny but true.

There is hope for the world, it starts from eradicating religion away.

Religion is the source of all evil.

Was it? The world was never a better place. That was why ppl turned to those religions. It is now that these religions serve no REAL purpose.

The world is still here....

Image123: I'm not interested in unscriptural discussion with you. Where is the thread you mentioned, that contains those important two questions?

What is unscriptural about the discussion? You are only expressing your knowledge of scripture and your interpretation of the scripture. If you cannot do this then you lack the capability to discuss without bible bashing.

It is called can an Atheist go to heaven?

I think mr husbands focus was off. He should have addressed his wife as opposed to the womanizer.

His wife will cheat on him again and again and again.

Ok, your 2 heaven philosophy has to be modified for the format. So here goes. There are 2 heavens or rather 1 heaven (where God resides) and earth. 144000 will be taken to participate in the experience of heaven with God. The structure for heaven is below with my comments. What about the earth? Who will populate earth and can you give me some details on it in regards to the questions I asked earlier?

ijawkid: Heaven is Gods abode...and you can't get a tan there....lol......there is no time for play in the heavens....its work! Work!! And

So what type of atmosphere will heaven have? Is it hot? Cold? Sunny etc?

ijawkid: See what ever endeavors you strive for here on earth is what you can never get in the heavens.........those who go to heaven wiLl have to live according to the standards existing in heaven........the standards that exist in heaven does not change .....

What standards are those? Will the 144000 be made aware of the standards? Your answer is very vague. It does not tell us what will be done in heaven.

ijawkid: Ofcus peoples who will inherit the heavens would be persons from all races........but not from all ages or periods in history....they would only be persons who were baptized with water and the holy spirit(born again)...that would mean persons who accepted Christ from pentecost 33 C.E.........

So no Noah? No Abraham or David? Why not? Dont they deserve to enjoy heaven? They had a close relationship with God and now they are not part of the 144000?

ijawkid: That means abraham,abel,john the baptist,sarah,david,samuel and all faithful patriarchs that existed before the coming of Christ aint qualified to make up the elects that would go rule alongside with Jesus in heaven......rather they would spend eternity in the new earth that is to come.......

GULP Even John the Baptist? Surely Elijah will be there? He was taken up into heaven already apparently?

ijawkid: There aint going to be any buying and selling in heaven...no businesses.......there has never been....so there isn't any need for an economy in the heavens.....

Hmmmm.... no trade by barter etc. Okaaayyy....

ijawkid: Lol......naaaaa........NOOOOOOO.......spirit creatures don't need that......

No boom and busts

ijawkid: Noooooo............spirit creatures are not aware of such...............because there make up is one that needs nothing but working for GOD......

No poverty or wealth

ijawkid: Hahahahahaha...................nooooo.........spirit creatures don't need technology............

No technology hmmmm.......

ijawkid: Lol................visiting earth??..........there won't be any need for that.........Jesus and his co-rulers would just do there jobs right from the heavens............no need for visiting.......and there wouldn't be any need for transportation........

So no leaving heaven at all?

ijawkid: There won't be any sex in heaven.....angels don't have sex....the heavens and the spirit creatures who occupy them don't and won't engage in sex......that's not what the heavens was made for.......the earth was made for that....

I heard that angels can have sex. Do you agree with that?

ijawkid: Not really.......if I could remember,war has already taken place in heaven........the war that drove satan down to the vicinity of the earth......after that there won't be any war in heaven.........its the earth that would experience the war of armageddon............

Ok. Gotcha

ijawkid: Yahweh is the ultimate judge...besides I don't think there would be disputes....everything would be done decently and by arrangement.....and perfect.....

So what happens if we disagree with Gods judgement? Will we be cast out? Punished through a penal (incarceration and separation from the general public) means or some other form of punishment? Arent disputes part of free will?

ijawkid: THEOCRASY would be the form of government in the heavens....rulership by YAHWEH through his son Jesus Christ.........
There isn't any election whatso ever......Yahweh does the choosing and everybody obeys......

Ok. Does God rule alone or does He delegate some duties? If He delegates then who to, why, what is delegated and how are the delegates selected?

Image123: I'm more interested in the other thread.

Then you xan go to it. But before you head for the hills, do you believe ijawkids heaven is accurate or do you have something else in mind?

Omexonomy: the generational curse that will make you hate God words but quote his word whenever it is conviennet for u to win an argument

Not that old bull again. I thought we had moved on from that

I seek to enlighten by means of getting ppl to think about things logically rather than quoting scripture to take every penny from them.

Xplodes2700: how will u find a witch? And how do you know the person is a witch?

Go to Oyedepos church, you will see lots of baby witches there. Also you can slap them there wihout being charged for assault.

Kay 17: From the OP, the Bible didn't mean any that. If one followed the story, you realise that the OP is offpoint. Who was the bible educating on lights? Or radio signals? Or electricity?

Or quantum mechanics. The bible even talks about the big slam theory and.evolution.

trolling: lol have it your way bro

Do you know an observant person can determine a lot about someone without knowing them just by physically meeting them.

Also a lot of prophecies are made after the prophets talk to the person hence gathering as much info and judging how best to tackle.

I have been to prophets. I have given them dodgy info and they prophesy nonsense. It is too easy to know how they try to exploit using all manner of tactics. Prophets are even worse than tithe robbing pastors and are xlearly fraudulent.

trolling: lol....proselytze u say? well who can make what is crooked straight?

God can ... No??

ijawkid: They'll(atheist) blind fold there eyes to this scientific facts in the bible.....

Or the vagueness of bible.

trolling: suit yourself then but if i saw you in a person, i would call on my God prophesy something regarding u and you'll see it manifest within seven days then you'll believe and if u provoke me enough, i can shut your pc down then you'll know God exist

Why do you need to see me in person? Why cant God give you all info and some prophecies now?

Image123: strange things, the OP doesn't want Scriptures in a discussion about Heaven on a religion board? as in, is he high or low?
The most important questions are left out BTW. Two are, Will atheistd get to Heaven, and does atheistd want to get to Heaven?

Dont worry image those 2 questions are in another thread.

I dont want scripture quoted because of the vagueness to scripture. Ppl can interpret the same verse etc to have different meanings. You can break the scripture heaven into my format

trolling: i have answers and documentation for all the question you asked but im instructed not to cast my pearls before swine

Is that how you were taught to proselytze? By calling ppl swine? Wow.

trolling: yes its a cheap cop out for an atheist

So that is how you want to play it. Duck and hide when difficult questions are asked.

Do you know heaven is the easiest thing to describe? Why, because it is critical to Xtian doctrine. So why would you be so scared to discuss it openly?

trolling: i dont believe in pagan jesus, number two according to scriptures Yahshua made intercessions for many not all in Isaiah 53. well you dont have to see him to believe,its called faith or how do u explain the creation of the universe.

Not by the mythical will of an omnipotent deity.

I dont believe in any religious stuff.

trolling: i can give you answers to your questions through scriptures but im instructed that speak not in the ears of a fool (who says there's no God) for he will despise your wisdom

That is a cheap cop out.

Just put your answers and we can see how much you really know

ijawkid: Heaven is Gods abode...and you can't get a tan there....lol......there is no time for play in the heavens....its work! Work!! And work!!!.......




See what ever endeavors you strive for here on earth is what you can never get in the heavens.........those who go to heaven wiLl have to live according to the standards existing in heaven........the standards that exist in heaven does not change .....



Ofcus peoples who will inherit the heavens would be persons from all races........but not from all ages or periods in history....they would only be persons who were baptized with water and the holy spirit(born again)...that would mean persons who accepted Christ from pentecost 33 C.E.........

That means abraham,abel,john the baptist,sarah,david,samuel and all faithful patriarchs that existed before the coming of Christ aint qualified to make up the elects that would go rule alongside with Jesus in heaven......rather they would spend eternity in the new earth that is to come.......



There aint going to be any buying and selling in heaven...no businesses.......there has never been....so there isn't any need for an economy in the heavens.....


Lol......naaaaa........NOOOOOOO.......spirit creatures don't need that......

Noooooo............spirit creatures are not aware of such...............because there make up is one that needs nothing but working for GOD......


Hahahahahaha...................nooooo.........spirit creatures don't need technology............

Lol................visiting earth??..........there won't be any need for that.........Jesus and his co-rulers would just do there jobs right from the heavens............no need for visiting.......and there wouldn't be any need for transportation........



There won't be any sex in heaven.....angels don't have sex....the heavens and the spirit creatures who occupy them don't and won't engage in sex......that's not what the heavens was made for.......the earth was made for that....


Not really.......if I could remember,war has already taken place in heaven........the war that drove satan down to the vicinity of the earth......after that there won't be any war in heaven.........its the earth that would experience the war of armageddon............


Yahweh is the ultimate judge...besides I don't think there would be disputes....everything would be done decently and by arrangement.....and perfect.....

THEOCRASY would be the form of government in the heavens....rulership by YAHWEH through his son Jesus Christ.........
There isn't any election whatso ever......Yahweh does the choosing and everybody obeys......

Good stuff. I have some more questions to flesh out a more accurate description. Also, according to you heaven already exists so I can assume everything is already in place. Your heaven is different from obadiahs

trolling: ....visiting the iniquities of the fathers upon the third and fourth generation...you can pick that up in the ten commandments, there goes your generational curse

Does that not apply to the West also? Why is it only in Africa that generational curses seem to make an impact? Also, going on scripture, didnt Jesus die on the cross of calvary to cleanse our sins (according to Xttianity)? If so then surely generational curses would have been amongst them.

#Omexonomy

I dont believe in God because I have seen enough to convince me that God does not exist. I have also not seen enough to convince me that God exists

I quote scripture to correct the Xtians who know little about their own religion. I dont win arguments, I expose deceit and delusion.

mumumugu: Op, i think u are sufering from generational curse

Which one? From what i have seen everything bad can be attributed to a generational curse so which one

edogho: Search wella. Carbon circle. Nitrogen circle are all in the bible before so called intelligent scientists found out.

Really? Which verse?

^^^^

Can you summarise it into my questions above so I geta clearer picture.

Goshen360: There is nothing like generational curses to those who are in Christ Jesus for if ANY MAN be IN Christ, he is a NEW CREATION, old things are pass away. When we don't understand our covenant rights and priviledges, we abuse many things and attend curse breaking and deliverance service. I'm not talking about those who are possessed and not in God's kingdom; I'm talking about New Creations born from above and washed in/by the blood of the lamb.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree: - Galatians 3:13

Under the new covenant, when a man be in Christ and such man carries generational curses....please and please understand that Christ is "BEING MADE A CURSE" for such man. Renew your mind by the way of thinking. The curse began in the garden with a tree and also ended in calvary on a tree....for curse is anyone that hangs on a tree.

As much as I hate quoting the bible I have to say that quote needs to be read by more xtians in Nigeria. Churrches like Mountain of Fire need to move away from this generational curse philosophy and focus on something else.

greaterlove: U will be amazed at the type of people who hold such views.

Half of them are probably on nairaland

greaterlove: History has taught us that creativity dies when superstitious believes reign, we all know how the whole world was at stand still during the dark ages because of the rise of superstitious beliefs. I had a physics lecturer who told us in class that all electronic gadgets have a demon in them, from our calculators to our tv at home and that if we cant 'invoke' such spirits into our design we wont be able to build even a transistor radio, i thank God i never believed him then. Kids in India, japan, Korea, Brazil are doing wonders while we are still held down because of our belief in superstitions.

Our power minister said demons were behind our power problems

Logicboy03: No 8. is a lie.

No 4. is also a lie

aribisala0: I think i have sussed you out!You are an evil spirit trying to convince people to drop their guard by saying there are none then you will pounce.Just yesterday ; Poo in the toilet won't flush after 10 attempts !How do you explain that

No water in the septic tank

Logicboy03: No 2 is a lie.

No. 3 is a lie also

InvertedHammer:
Because when juju starts its manifestation, na the person with camera go first tear race

There are always excuses

Also, why is this belief mostly particular to Africa?