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ijawkid: Sex and pro creation only takes place here on earth.........that is why God created the earth...........
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The heavens is strictly occupied by spirit creatures who work tirelessly for GOD................giving birth and having sex is not one of the jobs being done there.....

Ok. Obadiah said we can have as many wives as we want!!! Now you are saying there will be no sex or childbirth.

What about nuns? So they will never get to enjoy the pleasure of sex or childbirth in heaven? What type of everlasting paradise will not include s.ex

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Pain: Interesting. But how do we reconcile cases of people who openly confess to practicing witchcraft? Or are they merely seeking notice or popularity at the expense of their reputation?

Schizophrenic, psychologically or mentally impaired, deluded, low IQ?

How do ppl explain magic tricks like Derren Brown?

Why do ppl believe in generational curses?

wiegraf: You had to put pins in your pockets to prevent the theft.

A friend of mine was arrested, after stating so then retracting he admits that yes, it was because he was accused of stealing a jt by some random dude. After spending the night 'behind counter' apparently the jt returned from its sojourn, and all was well and good in the universe for the rightful owner, and my brah now released. The mix up cleared, he was apologized to, etc

We're watching tv or what not I cannot remember, but the story of the shape shifting goat comes up, my brah looks at me, agitated as he usually is and tells me "see, and u no dey believe am! See am na for nta! U no see say even a whole educated big boi police oga believe am? Na u want come talk nonsense now?". And he's educated and intelligent, not to mention an extremely "sharp" guy when need be. True story

Lol.

The goat story even made it to bbcs website. Boy are other nations laughing at us for our superstitious stupidity. Now there is this crazy attitude among some pentecostals that if you mention some words they will be spiritually bound to you like a confession. Hence they do not say words like they are weak, sick, ill, poor etc due to the belief in the power of confession. Imagine walking into a hospital and telling them "you are well and feeling great"

ijawkid: Why would there be sex in heaven??....who made you think of that??....

Why wont there be sex in heaven? Or are you saying there will not be any procreation? No preganancies? No childbirth?

If so, what else will heaven have/not have?

Aikem2003: Ogun state

Is there any reason why you want to date a white person?

Would consider other races like asian?

laykhorn: Why would your husband drive you into another room for his brother's visit? I find it hard to believe... I'm nt married though. But, I think you should try to talk to him, plead if necessary.
@MRbrownJAY, its been long bro. Hw av u been?

The brother isnt driving her anywhere. They are both moving to the guest room. He too will be inconvenienced.

Ask this... if your older sister were coming to stay for a few weeks, what would he do?

Bump....

So no one wants to talk about heaven huh

@frosbel

I thought you were going to post in my describe heaven thread. What happened?

To be honest. Nigerians have not covered themselves with glory in this regard.

Their superstitious beliefs are really over the top. Remember that story about the police arresting a goat because ppl thought it was a thief at a market? They held it in custody for 2 weeks. Once everyone forgot about the ordeal they made goat suya... or maybe peppered goat meat out of the goat

In rhe early 90s there was also the fear that if someone tapped you from behind you would lose your jt. There were so many stories of ppl it had happened to. Even newspapers carried a few. But til today no one who has lost his dick has come forward to have pics taken to prove it happened.

tpia: the op didnt specify nl alone.

he just said especially on nl.

but a lot of the famous, historical atheists were actually catholics at some point in time.

There are a lot of Anglican atheists

Logicboy03: Nope. Was proudly catholic.


Unfortunately, the priests were proudly pedophilic

The church is riddled with problems at the top.

Logicboy03: Sorry fellow atheists my swag was too much. I was a catholic before and so the christians thought that I represented all atheists.

Were you ever part of another xtian denomination?

Affiliated: I subscribe to the ideas that Hermes Trismegistus had and also the ideas of Yehuda Bar Yeshua who will come to be known as Jesus Christ. The problem is that Roman politicians completely changed everything from the names to the records and so on. Those guys really wrought confusion and ignorance on the world in their quest to control people. Well their weapon [The roman catholic church] eventually turned on them.

So are you a jew?

Affiliated: I know the questions weren't directed at me but let me answer the ones i can. these are just my opinions though.
1. That's not important but I won't take the bible literally.
2. We are experiencing all these things because of the illusion of separation. When we came to this earth, if we didn't give ourselves the illusion that we were separate, we would have still known that we are all the same thing which is God which defeats the purpose of God separating itself in the first place as greatgenius1 described.
3. Not literal stories
4. They don't come in. I think after death people who have attached themselves so much to the earth and think the same way would be unable to move on to the next stage of experiencing the universe and would be stuck in their own made-up "heaven or hell"
5. Back to this illusion of separation. Everyone or group of people seeing themselves as an individual entity separate from everyone else will inevitably try to become better than everyone else and gain control over others. This causes all the world's ills such as wars, beliefs e.t.c It would seem beliefs and ideas even have a life of their own with their own fight or flee response when faced with a threatening inconsistent idea and ideas look for consistent ideas just the way animals do in a social setting... but i digress
6. In our infinite dimensions [dimensions are the speed of vibrations of that reality] 1 dimensional objects are cells and the like 2 dimensional objects go to multicellular organisms 3 dimensions variations move to small and big animals and so on. The difference in dimensional beings is the power of our thoughts and how fast the vibrations can translate into reality. Now there are 4 dimensional beings and so on to infinity. And just the way cells cannot understand the laws of the universe we understand and how we bring our thoughts to reality, so can we not understand what higher dimensional beings do. and just the way cells cannot see us for what we are so can we not see these higher dimensional beings for what they are even though they are there. But the closest higher dimension to us which is the 4th can e accessed in some ways by people who subject their mind and thoughts to certain processes and begin to understand some other laws of the universe... It is said in some places that man had once gotten to the 4th dimensional stage but fell back down the dimensional ladder for one reason or another... but i digress again. Anyway these dimensional beings that come to be known as angels or demons or whatever understand laws we don't.
All I've said here is speculation though

You dont sound like a typical xtian... what denomination are you?

engrtee: I noticed that most atheist especialy in this forum are formal catholics. Why is this so? Any reason?

I am an ex pentecostal. Though i have been a member of most denominations at one point or the other

Is there a heaven in Islam?

In every sense of the word very poor.

I had very very low expectations of him and he has failed to even meet those.

I surely hope he changes or 2015 will be a bridge too far.

edogho: every political leader and religious leader are satanists and criminals in disguise. In bible times,the prophets go into the palace of kings to counsel them,buh wat do we see today.? The pastors and political leaders visit themselves on regular basis. Cardinal Okogie is a regular guest at aso rock ,i even heard one senator gave pastor Oyedepo a private jet as a birthday gift and the slowpoke accepted it. They're all rogues. Sometimes i don't blame people for saying religion is not worth our trust. Buh the truth is that all these are bible prophesies coming true.

Yes i agree with you.

If religious leaders have been led astray, how do the masses find their feet?

Investigate the investiture controversy. It is an indication that there has always been this dark side to religion.

inurmind: But on a slightly serious note, u guys could ask the holy spirit for answers. I'm sure he would be glad to help.

And for those who are always shouting ''I've been to heaven'', well this is for u to describe.

I have been banned twice by pyguru

Ok. To summarise, xtians spend so much time working towards heaven and evangelising unbelievers with heaven as the prize. Little is known about heaven and there is little uniformity in the beliefs relating to heaven.

This acid test is to establish whether there is a standardised heaven or not. I believe heaven is "whatever you want it to be" and hence its powerful draw. If it was standardised it would be rejected by a majority of ppl. It is vague like the bible to allow multiple interpretations to suit all needs.

obadiah777: EXACTLY. YOU ARE SLOWLY GETTING THERE. HEAVEN IS ON EARTH. HEAVEN DOES NOT MEAN 'A PLACE'. HEAVEN MEANS 'RULERSHIP ORDAINED AND SELECTED BY GOD BASED ON RIGHTEOUSNESS FAITH AND WORKS'. THE 144,000 IS HEAVEN. THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS THE EARTH . WE AINT GOING NOWHERE. THE EARTH IS HERE TO STAY FOREVER ( ECCLESIASTES 1 VS 4 ). ONLY THING CHANGING IS THT WE WILL HAVE A NEW HEAVEN ( NEW RULERSHIP )

I have heard that philosophy.

Where does God reside?

Xeroz: Are you saying there are no generational curses or saying visions are fake?

Both

Bearshare: Humans are by design religious. What is religion? A set of belief.

To a christian, he believes there is God that controls existence

To a muslim, he believes there is a God he knows better than the Christian

To the Atheist, he believes there is no God.

We all believe on something, that makes us all religious

No it doesnt . It doesnt make us all religious. Not all athesists are religious.

cold: I have often wondered if Karl Marx had a vision of present day Nigeria when he postulated that religion is the opium of the masses
Seriously,Nigeria is probably the most religious nation on earth. Every nook and cranny is dotted with spires,domes and turrets. Churches and Mosques undulate to calls to prayer and evangelical music.A pilgrimage to Mecca or Jerusalem is a badge of religious devotion sought after with great zeal alongside the much needed appellations like Bishop,Pastor,Alhaji,Deacon etc.
Today in Nigeria being born again is now socially acceptable and even politically correct in certain quarters.as a matter of fact,there are more churches and mosques in Nigeria today than industries and schools put together (disprove me if you dare)

One would expect with this spread of churches,mosques and prayer houses that there should be an accompanying growth in morals in the society but alas this is not the case.The religious boom has been paralleled by a growth of a far less desirable kind.A decline in moral values creating an intriguing spectacle of more religion and less morality.Take Nigeria's abysmal rating on the global corruption index or the uncontrollable levels of insecurity for instance and paradoxically compare it with its rating as the most religious nation on earth.There is a profound dissonance between the spread of religion and the moral decline that has promoted corruption from a malaise confined to the epochal heights of governance to a full blown social plague.For all the religious fervour in the nation,faith has little or no social expression

But why is this important at all?Like Nairalanders are wont to ask.
In truth,religion has become Nigeria's greatest problem.A religious movement can develop a narcissistic obsession with its own mythology.Its adherents can become blinded by a creed of materialistic self involvement to the problems of a society which they are meant to heal.Religion as we have come to know it today,for the most part,has become an impediment to culture change.Its ways and its means have become obsolete.
At the risk of sounding off,let me pause here but not before I state that the Nigerian religious establishment is ripe for a reformation as is the society as a whole. The much touted recovery envisaged in the political and economic spheres cannot be attained without a recovery of values.A reform of existing religious strains could be the much needed springboard for a mass mobilisation of civil society to protest the many ills plaguing our society

While that is true, the politicians are smart enough to cosy up to the religious leaders in order to guarantee that there will be little opposition from that quarter. Our salvation will have to come from somewhere else unfortunately.

I would like to get an accurate description from every muslim who chooses to respond what heaven will be like.

Please try and follow the format below as best you can and leave out scriptural quotes.

Thank you all. Jews and Xtians feel free to join in if you prefer.

1. HOW BIG IS HEAVEN? Will it have oceans, continents, hot and cold terrain? Can I get a tan if I am in hot weather for too long? Can I go skiing and bob sledding?

2- WHAT CAN WE DO THERE? Most of what we do is linked to society, with morals playing a big part. Will we live in the current era, medieval era, antiquity or some sort of futuristic era? What type of technology will exist? Bear in mind there will be ppl from different eras who would need to grasp the technology. Will we have jobs? How will that work out? Will we need to educate ourselves to get better jobs or will all be chosen for us?

3-WHO WILL WE MEET? Will we meet ppl from all races and ages, periods in history? Will we age? Will women get pregnant? Will there be childbirth?

4-WHAT TYPE OF ECONOMY?- How will the economy work? Any elaborate details please. capitalism, communism, other economic model?

5-WILL THERE BE ECONOMIC BOOM AND BUSTS? 

6-WIll THERE BE WEALTH ? Will there be poverty?

7-WILL THERE BETECHNOLOGY? What if the available technology is too advanced to adapt to? Imagine Abraham trying to operate a computer. Will technology grow with time? Will there be technological advances?

8-WHAT TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION AND COMMUNICATION WILL BE PRESENT? What about green technology? Will there be interplanetary travel? Will we be able to visit earth?

9-WILL THERE BE SEX? Will it be by polygamy or monogamy? If there is childbirth will we need pregnancy prevention? 

10-WILL THERE BE WAR?

11-HOW WILL DISPUTES BE SETTLED? Who will be the judiciary?

12- WHAT TYPE OF GOVT SYSTEM WILL EXIST? Tell me more about this govt system? What type is it? Monarchy, democracy, constitutional monarchy, communist dictatorship, other form of dictatorship?How are the members of govt chosen? Are they elected by the common man? How long is their duration. What leadership/management/economic skills will they have to lead? From the bible I believe the govt is some form of monarchy With God as the reigning monarch.

I look forward to your concise descriptions

engrtee: If we tel u, u wunt belive so y are u askin

A simple experiment.

You might educate other unbelievers who want to know what promises God has in store for them if they believe.

I would like to get an accurate description from every xtian who chooses to respond what heaven will be like.

Please try and follow the format below as best you can and leave out scriptural quotes.

Thank you all. Jews and Muslims feel free to join in if you prefer.

1. HOW BIG IS HEAVEN? Will it have oceans, continents, hot and cold terrain? Can I get a tan if I am in hot weather for too long? Can I go skiing and bob sledding?

2- WHAT CAN WE DO THERE? Most of what we do is linked to society, with morals playing a big part.
Will we live in the current era, medieval era, antiquity or some sort of futuristic era?
What type of technology will exist? Bear in mind there will be ppl from different eras who would need to grasp the technology.
Will we have jobs? How will that work out? Will we need to educate ourselves to get better jobs or will all be chosen for us?

3-WHO WILL WE MEET? Will we meet ppl from all races and ages, periods in history? Will we age? Will women get pregnant? Will there be childbirth?

4-WHAT TYPE OF ECONOMY?- How will the economy work? Any elaborate details please. capitalism, communism, other economic model?

5-WILL THERE BE ECONOMIC BOOM AND BUSTS?

6-WIll THERE BE WEALTH ? Will there be poverty?

7-WILL THERE BETECHNOLOGY? What if the available technology is too advanced to adapt to? Imagine Abraham trying to operate a computer. Will technology grow with time? Will there be technological advances?

8-WHAT TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION AND COMMUNICATION WILL BE PRESENT? What about green technology? Will there be interplanetary travel? Will we be able to visit earth?

9-WILL THERE BE SEX? Will it be by polygamy or monogamy? If there is childbirth will we need pregnancy prevention?

10-WILL THERE BE WAR?

11-HOW WILL DISPUTES BE SETTLED? Who will be the judiciary?

12- WHAT TYPE OF GOVT SYSTEM WILL EXIST? Tell me more about this govt system? What type is it? Monarchy, democracy, constitutional monarchy, communist dictatorship, other form of dictatorship?How are the members of govt chosen? Are they elected by the common man? How long is their duration. What leadership/management/economic skills will they have to lead? From the bible I believe the govt is some form of monarchy With God as the reigning monarch.

I look forward to your concise descriptions.

@obadiah

You have somehow digressed without answering my questions. You also got carried away with your digression and have been ranting about the 144000 .

Let me try and summarise your answers:

The 144000 are both the ruling class and judiciary. They are chosen by God to rule for eternity based on their good works.

Polygamy is acceptable

There will be little technology.

Transportation will be via UFO or chariot of fire (as UFO is rather vague).

Heaven will be the same size as earth with similar ppl but righteous.

Just to clarify... heaven is in existence as we speak. It is not somewhere that will be created specially for the afterlife?

Ok. I will create a thread specifically for this.

dor75: @op
Asking if an Atheist will make Heaven, is same as someone turning up at your door step; you've never spoken to him before, infact you dont know him from Adam and he said he want to come in and sleep. ask your self would you let him in? even if he looks like an assasin.

What if he doesnt look like an assassin? What if he looks like a young, innocent kid that is lost and needs a bed for the night.?

obadiah777: BUT WHY ? YOU ARE AN ATHEIST. WHY WILL YOU LIKE TO HAVE DETAILED INFO ABOUT HEAVEN THAT YOU DONT BELIEVE IN ?

Good question.

I would like to know what most Xtians are expect when they finally go to heaven.