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MduZA:
president Jonathan thanked SA for helping Nigeria set her automotive industry....he also thanked south African financial institutions ,Nigerians will be purchasing vehicles in Nigeria using south African banks....how do you like that?

Citation/ Source needed.

SA set up Peugeot and Innoson automotive industry in Nigeria? LOL.....LOLZ....LOLI LOZ...
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patches689:
No never showed me anything

so i am also interested to see these "300 stealth catermarans"

Lol

You have cognitive problem when you read? You mix data up like a buffooon .

300 gun boats and about 60 stealth combat catamarans.

I told you before and I proved it before to your shock and awe, South Africa has NOTHING like that in this world !

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patches689:
I guess you missed the part where the SAN has released the tenders for project Biro
7 Frigates, deal with it

SANDF paid cash deposit for A400M airbus aircraft and could not afford to pay the balance so your deal was cancelled.

Noboby trusts a South African tender, it's a worthless piece of paper...SANDF is broke
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patches689:
T72 is a terrible tank proven by every war it has fought in

LOL...see what Nigerian T-72 did to Boko Haram T-55 some days ago !

http://www.elombah.com/detail.php?world=28119

Henry120:
Subs took 7years because you were too broke to do anything about them. However, the astonishing part was you kept on telling this facade, all SAN subs were operational, even though you were well aware one had been at the docks for 7 years.

I'd just attribute it to your fraud problem.


I'm only reiterating widely held facts made by your fellow country men.

South Africa is a place where photos are used to tell lies to the outside world

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Henry120:
It simply means NN can get whatever NN wants. Threats determine defence procurements.

You don't waste funds on 4 Frigates and 3 useless Subs, then you turn around and claim, it is actually OPV's I need.

Neither do you buy a bunch of overpriced light weight fighter jets, and store them in a storage because you neither have the resources or men to fly and man them.

You buy what you actually need, not what you want.

Big lesson for South Africa....nation of the brainless. Common sense is NOT common in their Rainbow nation
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ActivateKruger:
The Igirigi is made from South African armor and reinforced glass... then it has an American Ford chases..

It's half South African, half American and 100% not Nigerian.

The only thing Nigeria did was to design it.... oh fck this thing is ugly like Augustine.

I need proof of sources of those materials, armour and glass, and Ford is an American company !

South African Rooikat, Ratel, etc all have German or other foreign engines.

Your photo is also wrong, that's old prototype, the final product Igirigi is a beauty !
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patches689:
We are in 2014, you barely have any of those

You are failing goal after goal

Target date for Nigerian navy project end is 2018-2019, we have about 5 years more, and Nigeria is in now spending heavily.

Submarine training has started and we are selecting submarine type, China has offered us Song Class submarine to consider.

We have made more progress than your paper work project Biro that has no cash to back it up, paper gathering dust at Pretoria MoD
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patches689:
NN = Brown water navy

Confirmed by augubug

Nigeria has a blue water navy with two frigates that can sail around the whole African continent without stopping to refuel NNS Thunder and NNS Okpabana, NO country in Africa has any navy to match our force projection range.

South African Valour frigates CANNOT match Nigerian navy in blue water long range operations.

Our navy out-ranges yours in blue waters voyage
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patches689:
Who have you sold your half south african armoured car to?

Igirigi is NOT half South African armoured vehicle. Show me where you got the specs from...waiting...
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SEPTEMEBER 2009

The Nigerian Navy sought the Federal Government’s approval to upgrade and expand the Navy considerably, including adding 49 warships and 42 helicopters.

The goal of the naval expansion would be to safeguard national maritime security interests, both in Nigerian territorial waters and in the Gulf of Guinea.

SHORT TERM(0-2 YEARS)

Under the immediate plan which is expected to span a period of two years, the Federal Government should add to the inventory of the Nigerian Navy;

• two light frigates

• two 85 metre OPVs

• six Manta-class IPCs

• six Shaldag MK II patrol craft

• two 38 metre FPBs

• two Agusta A109 helicopters

• one LPD

• two logistics ships.

MEDIUM TERM(2-5 YEARS)

In the medium term, the CNS said the Nigerian Navy would require;

• ten OPVs

• 20 helicopters

• one hydrographic ship

• two training ships

• two logistics ships

• two MCMVs

LONG TERM(5-10 YEARS)

Requires that the Federal Government procure;

• three submarines

• two corvettes

• two LPDs

• 20 long-range maritime patrol helicopters

• two training ships

• two MCMVs

Source Defenceweb
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jln115:
I have, cant find anything except for the patrol boats you brought from us and the patrol boats gifted to you by the NPA(Nigerian Ports Authority) and your own navy website states nothing of the sort.

https://www.nairaland.com/358286/tribute-nigerian-military-pictures/2


RIVERLINE WARFARE COMBATANTS GALORE!!!

A few years ago, Nigeria made a requisition for 200 river gunboats from the USA. This, according to information put out in the public domain at that time, was to enable the Nigerian military stay on top of the daunting security challenges in the vast, oil-bearing region that is the Niger Delta.

The eventual acquisition of a little over that number of boats from elsewhere was necessitated by the fact that the US were somewhat reluctant to assist in fulfilling this pressing requirement.

With the raging conflict in the creeks of the Niger delta, oil theft by organised syndicates,kidnapping,pirate attacks and petro-terrorism thriving regardless, the Nigerian Federal Government was thus constrained to look elsewhere for answers to pressing security challenges, in the process kickstarting what is easily the second-largest wholesale procurement and delivery of river patrol and landing craft anywhere in the world. The said procurement is exceeded in its scale, only by the delivery of 15-meter Swiftboats PCF and 9-meter PCR river gunboats to the US Forces who saw action in the Mekong Delta during the Vietnam War.

Alongside a pair of 38 metre Sea Eagle Offshore Patrol Craft, the entire haul of about 215 river gunboats and landing craft which came through the Suncraft-Strategic Marine partnership are believed to have been paid for in a Direct Intervention Funding deal worth hundreds of millions of dollars which was bankrolled by the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation.


Suncraft Stingray gunboat : Standard issue for the Army Amphibious Forces

CONFIRMED DELIVERIES OF OVER 200 RIVER GUNBOATS LANDING CRAFT TO THE NIGERIAN ARMED FORCES

PREAMBLE: This report focuses ONLY on the CONTRACT won by SINGAPORE’s SUNCRAFT GROUP for which the actual construction was outsourced to the AUSTRALIA’s STRATEGIC MARINE GROUP’s SHIPYARDS with shipyards in Australia, Vietnam and Mexico.

PROOF: WEBLINK TO BE VIEWED
http://www.strategicmarine.com/media/19 … ements.pdf
*PROJECT DATE: 2008-9
YARD BUILT: VIETNAM
QUANTITY: 4 (FOUR) UNITS
DESCRIPTION: 20-METRE LANDING CRAFT
VESSEL NAME:
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA

*PROJECT DATE: 2008-9
YARD BUILT: AUSTRALIA
QUANTITY: 15 (FIFTEEN) UNITS
DESCRIPTION: 16-METRE PATROL VESSELS
VESSEL NAME:
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
*PROJECT DATE: 2008-9
YARD BUILT: VIETNAM
QUANTITY: 40 (FORTY UNITS)
DESCRIPTION: 12-METRE PATROL VESSELS
VESSEL NAME:
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
*PROJECT DATE: 2008
YARD BUILT: AUSTRALIA
QUANTITY: 4 (FOUR) UNITS
DESCRIPTION: 17-METRE PATROL VESSELS
VESSEL NAME: MANTA
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
Note that with the delivery of THREE more MANTA boats to the Nigerian Navy in May 2011, the Nigerian Navy are now estimated to field about 15 units of Manta ASD Littoral Interceptor.

*PROJECT DATE: 2005-8
YARD BUILT: AUSTRALIA
QUANTITY: 150 (ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY)
DESCRIPTION: 10-METRE LANDING/PATROL CRAFT
VESSEL NAME: SCORPION MK.II
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA


SUNCRAFT Manta ASD Littoral Patrol Interceptors of the Nigerian Navy - May 2011 deliveries

FURTHER READING:TECHNICAL DATA

*STINGRAY 20 SPD
20 metre Landing Craft
CUSTOMER : Suncraft International
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
Specifications
Length 20 metres
Beam 5.6 metres
Draft 0.8 metres
Maximum Speed
20 knots
Number of Engines 2
Power (MCR) 890 HP
Total Constructed=4

*STINGRAY 17 SPD
17 metre Patrol Vessel
Specifications
Length 17 metres
Beam 3.6 metres
Draft 0.95 metres
Max Speed 45 knots
Number of Engines 2
Power(MCR) 2400 HP
Total Constructed=4

*STINGRAY 16 SPD
16 metre Patrol Vessel
CUSTOMER: Suncraft International
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
Specifications
Length 16.0 metres
Beam 4.1 metres
Draft 0.7 metres
Max Speed 30 knots
Number of Engines 2
Power (MCR) 1200 HP
Total Constructed=15

*STINGRAY 12 SPD
12 metre Patrol Boat
CUSTOMER: Suncraft International
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
Specifications
Length 12.0 metres
Beam 3.6 metres
Draft 0.6 metres
Max Speed 30 knots
Number of Engines 2
Power (MCR) 700 HP
Total Constructed=40

*STINGRAY 10 OBM
10 metre Landing Craft
CUSTOMER: Suncraft International
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
Specifications
Length 10.00 metres
Beam 3.05 metres
Draft 0.35 metres
Max Speed 35 knots
Number of Engines 2
Power (MCR) 600 HP
Total Constructed=150

The foregoing immense haul of platforms eventually came to the amphibious and special forces of the NA and to regular seamen of the Nigerian Navy and sheds light on the sheer size of the Area of Responsibilty to be manned in the vast wetlands region that is the Niger Delta, an area equal in size to Scotland and Belgium combined and encompassing a maze of 3,014 creeks and waterways.

The delivery of the said river gunboats and landing craft ensured that at the time of the commencement of the amnesty programme, the Nigerian military had made very significant gains in the task of providing security in the Niger Delta and consigned the insurgent action to the realm of sabotage of isolated pipelines in far-flung villages.

The more lucrative militant pastimes of kidnapping, pirate attacks and hijackings of shipping and oil tankers had been drastically curtailed. The supply and logistics chains of insurgent groups had also been severely disrupted.

Indeed, Ateke Tom, one of the four principal militia commanders affiliated to the umbrella MEND group was quoted as saying at the time that he acceded to the precepts of the amnesty programme, that the Joint Task Force had effectively blockaded the creeks and made movement of militants and supplies for his Niger Delta Vigilante, next to impossible. He thus chose the path to peace.

Again and following the delivery of these riverline warfare combatants, the Joint Task Force frequently went on the offensive, attacking militant camps and destroying hundreds of improvised and illegal oil refineries across the Niger Delta.

Renegade commanders such as the self-styled ‘General’ John Togo of the Niger Delta Liberation Force, who remained outside of the amnesty process, were attacked and pursued reentlessly until he was eventually killed in battle sometime in May 2011.

Moving on, the NAUTICA NOVA shipyards of Malaysia, Singapore Technologies Marine and a myriad of Nigerian boatyards are believed to have also constructed a range of numerous other river gunboats,military houseboats and landing craft for the Nigerian Navy’s regular seamen and SBS commandos. Those have not been listed here.

From the Western orbit, the haul of the RBS(Defender) boats from the USA consisted of 35 boats. Rigid Hull Inflatable Boats(RHIBs) and NC 27 Tactical Insertion/Deployment craft for the Navy’s Special Boat Service Command,an elite unit trained with Pakistani and Israeli assistance, were acquired from the USA.

Also intended for the benefit of naval SBS commandos and according to the website ‘stopwapenhandel’ , “the relationship between the Nigerian Navy and TP Marine(Holland) started in 2009 with the sale of 20 high-speed troop-carrying catamarans for 4.8 million euros. These K38 vessels “can providence covert striking power against critical targets, as well as protecting offshore resources and assets.” And accordion thing to TP Marine th ey are “Ideally suited for rapid response, Amphibious deployment or commands or regular patrol work.” The ultramodern 11.8-meter combat catamarans reportedly went into commercial production in 2009.

The Navy also reportedly received JEDI boats which are thought to have been in the dozens.


Spend your own time to google stuff, I wont repeat old posts for every new South African, I dont get paid for my time on nairaland

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MikeCZAR:
That's because the impala was a trainer aircraft similar to the Hawk, but had a secondary light attack role.

The impalas were also used like attack helicopters, and were a nightmare of enemy helicopter pilots.

South Africa had 250 fighter aircraft during the war.

One Gripen will waste the enitre Nigerian air force in one day.

Keep hawking lies on the streets like a door to door salesman.

MikeCZAR:
The contract is already signed meaning work is in progress. Similar to the Badger IFV.

This projects are fund.

Go figure how many Oerlikon twin barrel guns South Africa has.

No, you tell us how many of your 30 year old Oerlikon twin barrel guns are being upgraded to CRAM.

SANDF is so poor each Gripen jet carries less than one missile each, precisely 0.96 missile per jet, and your Valour frigates Excoet missile shortage is also bad.

Do you know the meaning of missile poverty? Ask SAAF and SAN
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Henry120:
The variant you fly is old. It is a 4th Gen Aircraft, infact going by the comparison with the JF-17, it should be rated as 3.7 gen.

The E/F is 4.5, not 5 Gen. Only the F-22, F-35 and T-50 are 5th Gen
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Truth !
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MikeCZAR:
SAAF acquired GBU-12(s) to use on the Gripen.

Low level air defence, the inner tier of the layered air defence network is protected by CRAM capable guns.
With the Skyshield important infrastructure or bases can be fully protected against airborne threats.

Nigeria is buying NOTHING!!!! What are you hoping to achieve with 2 pilots.

How many CRAM units will you buy? How many will you have to spread around all army, navy, and air force bases, as well as different army battalions on different battle fronts? How many locations, how many CRAM guns which you won't get until year 2017 to 2020 as SANDF is broke now.

Dreamland of delusions, that's where you live dude.

jl115:
Yes its a totally new aircraft witch is based on the mig 21, just like the olifant mbt is totally different from the centurion tank.

Olifant and Centurion tanks have the same old engine.

MiG-29 has a new engine different from that of MiG-21.

Do you know dictionary meaning of 'Based on' ?

The photo with yellow lines showing shape of JF-17 has deemolished your moroniic argument anyway
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jl115:
Yes not all sources are reliable thats way i quoted 3 not just 1.

All 3 sources are wrong.

1,000 people telling the same lie does not make it become truth
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MikeCZAR:
Delta wing shape.

Manufactured by you Jasco's Pappy the king of comedy
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MikeCZAR:
Go lie to some else.

During the war in Angola South Africa had 250 fighter aircraft, after the war or should say following the 98 defence review the numbers were reduced or replaced with 50 advanced fighter planes.

If what you're is the case SAAF would have 36 Rooivalks, taking delivery of indigenous twin engine fighter jets, maintaining nuclear weapons, developing ICBMs and more!!!

GET IT?

Most of the 250 fighters aircraft in SAAF Bush war era were post-World War II era Impala useless jets that always ran away when Cuban boys MiG-21 showed up. SAAF massive squadrons of Impala jets were so useless they had only guns, no missiles, so they flew around fighting againt mere Cuban helicopters.

One Gripen will waste 50 Impalas in one hour
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MikeCZAR:
Delta wings.

According to you Papa Ajasco
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MikeCZAR:
The same engine South Africa used on the Super Mirage. And was declared unreliable.

There are thousands of that engine happily flying around the world today. Your South African engineers were not smart enough to master it, they failed where others succeeded
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MikeCZAR:
Go lie to some else.

During the war in Angola South Africa had 250 fighter aircraft, after the war or should say following the 98 defence review the numbers were reduced or replaced with 50 advanced fighter planes.

If what you're is the case SAAF would have 36 Rooivalks, taking delivery of indigenous twin engine fighter jets, maintaining nuclear weapons, developing ICBMs and more!!!

GET IT?

As usual, only when funds become available, SANDF is broke
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jl115:
You are a true village idi0t my friend.
The source says as i quoted it before, the hms on the jf-17 is only used for targeting.

HMSD or HMS/D = HMS you cant have both only the one or the other

Technical definition says you can have both on one helmet. Fool !

Reason why I said you have cognitive learning defect, both HMS and HMD are technically combined to become HMSD or HMS/D and in modern aircraft both are sometimes called one name HMS, that's according to the source definition:

"A helmet-mounted display (HMD) is a device used in some modern aircraft, especially combat aircraft. HMDs project information similar to that of head-up displays (HUD) on an aircrew’s visor or reticle, thereby allowing him to obtain situational awareness and/or cue weapons systems to the direction his head is pointing. Applications which allow cuing of weapon systems are referred to as helmet-mounted sight and display (HMSD) or helmet-mounted sights (HMS)".

You are just another product of the wishy-washy grade F South African educational system.

You would succeed in life as a farmer or fisherman, so don't feel too sad dude
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Cleaning up needed by Moderator, there's thrash in the can
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jl115:
As i proved before useing the source you gave the jf-17s HMS or HMS/D is only used for targeting.
dus at this stage it only has a HMS/HMSD.

Can you see how totally confused you are ?
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jln115again:
F0kken antispam bot banning every time.

You get banned if you insult people in your comments. Some other reasons too, read the list of rules.

patches689:
Both are swept delta wing

slowpoke

[size=16pt]
Delta means Triangle, the JF-17 wing is NOT a Triangle...it is an irregular unusual shape that joins the fuselage in a strange curved form

End of the road for South Africans....Envy can cause you epilepsy !

CASE CLOSED !

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patches689:
Rooikat gun was developed from the Oto Melara gun, not a copy of the gun and is accurate at ranges of 1500m to 2000m in direct fire and up to 12km in indirect fire

The Rooikat is fitted with a fully-stabilized GT4 76-mm main gun, which was developed from Italian OTO Melara naval gun.


http://www.military-today.com/artillery/rooikat.htm

Thank you sir for proving me right with the bolded part above, South Africa copied Italy....

Same way you say China copied Russian MiG-21 developed into F-7.

Talk about getting a taste of your own medicine
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patches689:
And you tend to rely on the ones with false information

....like SA defenceweb ?

patches689:
Two units have been built (See pic 2)

The project is ongoing, the latest featuring a [suspected] autoloader (hence the new turret and only 3 man crew) as well as an active defence system and barrel shroud to improve accuracy.

Picture 1: First developed Rooikat
Picture 2: Latest Rooikat 105mm variant

Only 2 units built in a whole 25 years....big disaster

On-going project to tinker with the gun of an IFV for 25 years....do you know what R & D costs of 25 years means when there is no buyer ?

Rooikat 105mm has been rejected by SANDF and turned to a museum piece for ever
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jl115:
Yes its a totally new aircraft witch is based on the mig 21

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[size=16pt]South Africans need image recognition eyeglasses for partial blindness

PHOTO 1 : MiG-21

PHOTO 2 :JF-17

Very different wings, nose, tail, air intake, tail fin, fuselage, tell the whole story [/size]
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