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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 12:22pm On Oct 11, 2014
Patchesagain:
two little helo's

cute
Thats a super puma, we have about 5. We don't need to photograph everything to prove we have more.

You ever seen Sudan's 100 helicopters inside one photo ?

Nigeria has more combat helicopters than South Africa, we dwarf you...
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 12:20pm On Oct 11, 2014
Patchesagain:
And how many nigerians live under the same reality?

Reminder: The biggest coal-fired station in the world is going to be switched on in South Africa in december.
Good you admitted both South Africa and Nigeria have millions of people living with no electricity. Equation balanced grin grin

You live in a glass house, so stop throwing stones grin grin

Nigeria too has signed multi-billion dollar deals for new power plants with USA and Canada, only a matter of time before we catch up with the rest of the world
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 12:17pm On Oct 11, 2014
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 12:16pm On Oct 11, 2014
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 12:13pm On Oct 11, 2014
NaijaPikinGidi:
Abeg free that Banku and Tilapia eating Ghanaian!! No match anyday for Nigeria.
Oh ! Na Kofi dudu? A clown from that worthless part of West Africa? They started hating Nigeria when ECOWAS booted out Ghana's General Arnold Quainoo from command and replaced him with a Nigerian General Joshua Dogonyaro due to the Kofi officer's military incompetence grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 12:08pm On Oct 11, 2014
GreenandGold:
I wouldn't say much if I were you
Yes we already know you produce more electricity than Nigeria today, but we also happily remind you that 15 million South Africans out of 50 million population, lives in permanent darkness and have never seen electric light bulb since the day they were born.

Don't try to cover your mess with graphs and charts, we have already exposed it grin grin

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 12:05pm On Oct 11, 2014
Msauza:
So, chief don't spread lies please. Eskom is working everyday in SA to ensure that every household has access to electricity free of charge.

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 12:00pm On Oct 11, 2014
MikeZA:
It was project,to produce a local fighter jet.

It wasn't a paper drawing those who followed by thread will tell you.


#ShowUS Photo Of Carver Jet Built.....Not Paper Drawing grin grin


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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 11:59am On Oct 11, 2014
BankuTilapia2:
Bombing bombing bombing bombing
Blackout blackout blackout blackout

How do you animals sleep
U deh try sha grin cheesy grin
Shooting shooting shooting

Looting looting looting

Murder murder murder

Robbery robbery robbery

R.aping r.aping r.aping

How do South African mofos close their eyes in bed? They use overdose of tranquilizers?

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 5:29am On Oct 11, 2014
BankuTilapia2:
Nigeria is the biggest slum on earth and full of over 100 million retardeddd animals. The worse thing created after animals are nigerians. Nigeria is the most filthiest on earth and their women smells because they bleach a lot. A used menstrual pad is more valuable than a nigerian.
shocked tongue grin cheesy

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 5:26am On Oct 11, 2014
Msauza:
Because they know is a pure lie, thats why they wouldnt argue.Do you mean photos of post 1994 during which times were tough for blacks to access electricity? SA has moved forward and the only areas with no electricity are those that either practically impossible for electrification because of the terrain such as those who live in the remote villages on top of mountains and those who live in informal settlement which by the way is temporary.


Since, SA cannot challenge you, I want you to attach sources which are not older than one year to substantiate your claims. This year around June, I watched a programme on television which confirmed that SA now has electrified over 95% household. So, chief don't spread lies please. Eskom is working everyday in SA to ensure that every household has access to electricity free of charge.
tongue shocked grin cheesy

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 7:33pm On Oct 03, 2014
patches689: Area effect does not work on water

Argument destroyed with a single sentence
Go read war history and calculate how many British-American navy warships and vessels were sunk by German army coastal artillery during invasion of France at Normandy.

You seem to be better on a Police Vs Robbers thread, we might soon create one for you....Domingo Durango grin

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 7:28pm On Oct 03, 2014
patches689: Imaginary numbers for an imaginary Airforce

What numbers does SIPRI record again?

2 sentences = argument destroyed

This is too easy
Current SIPRI records end on December 31, 2013....you dummy grin

All Nigerian weapons and equipment ordered or received from January 1, 2014 till today are NOT recorded by SIPRI, or you see Big Foot MRAP, Spartan APC, Mi-35M Hind E, etc on SIPRI outdated database?

Keep ranting, it's fun to see you kolomental about Nigeria grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 5:19pm On Oct 03, 2014
Patchesagain: Truth is that we will be patrolling waters 2000 miles away from home.

Can you say the same?
I can say better, not same !

Nigerian navy is 100 times superior to South African navy in patrol capacity.

NNS Thunder or NNS Okpabana can each sail from Lagos to Cape Town to Cairo and back home to Lagos on one single fuel tank without stopping to beg for refuel like South Africa must do.

That is a world class blue water navy patrol non-stop round trip !

Can you say the same for South African navy?

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 5:11pm On Oct 03, 2014
DieVluit: SA Navy in the Mozambican channel....
Where your Frigates chased pirated and couldn't catch up with their speed grin

South African navy caught Crabs and Fishes instead....and plenty Crayfish grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain:
Patchesagain: According to SIPRI you have 13 Active

Add 40 to 13

Thats 53

Not 100

And the Mi Mil-17 is from 1970's

And according to your man beegeal himself - it is a transport grin grin

Nowadays Mi-171AMTSh (Mi-171Sh) helicopter appears to be one of the most popular medium military transport helicopters all over the world, on account of their versatility of the helicopter and its high performance.
http://beegeagle./2011/09/03/spotlight-terminator-mi-8amtshexport-model-mi-171sh-assaulttransport-helicopter-of-the-nigerian-air-force/
Oh ! Beegeagle is now your source ? You just proved he is credible and knowledgeable. Thanks.

The Hawk jets of South African air force delivered around 2005 are the same obsolete Hawk jets that entered service in Britain 1973....yes or no ?

#Self Trap Again.

Russia introduced Mi-171sh Terminator into world market around 2002 and that is very different from the ordinary Mi-17 or Mi-8 helicopters, those old birds are NOT Terminators.

NAF is getting year 2014 Terminator combat-transport helicopters to add to the 2003 Terminators we got before.

30 current + 40 Russia mixed new bulk order + 12 Hind E + 12 Belarus Hinds new order = 94 combat helicopters for Nigeria by the time all arrive delivered.

Soweto Air Force is stuck and fvcked with 10 weak Rooivalks till infinity o ! tongue tongue

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain:
Patchesagain: Artillery without a data-link cannot hit a moving targets
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Fool grin grin

Artillery is an AREA weapon, it is not looking for one single point only, it targets the whole wide area, and artillery doctrine calls it AREA DENIAL, it denies you access and presence in a whole wide area.

Nigeria has 50 units of mobile and movable vehicle mounted Palmaria artillery with 24km range.

50 x 24 km = 1,200 km

The whole Nigerian coastal line is only 850 km.

Add 73 Mobile FH-77 artillery, we cover our coastline perimeter FOUR TIMES over ! Nigeria has excess artilley power for our small 850km coastline !

Every minute, Nigerian army area denial artillery will carpet cover and plaster the N, E, S, W four cardinal points of your helpless, defenseless, and terrified Valour Frigates with 1,000 artillery shells spread like an umbrella of death over your warships....Go ask @Andrewza why he said South African navy will sail 50km away from Nigerian coast, the man saw sudden d.eath by artillery and he ran away before he loses Mandela's shiny navy in one day grin grin

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 4:15pm On Oct 03, 2014
Patchesagain: Nope

We will set up our on FOB to supply our smaller OPV's - and it will be an SANDF FOB

All 4 Frigates and all 3 subs and the Drakensberg can patrol your waters with ease.
So the whole South African navy will be based at sea in West Africa with no harbours or air support?

Who protects Mozambique channel and South Africa's massive 3,200 km ocean coastline that is now left unguarded and free for Indian ocean pirates to sail to Argentina without any challenge !

Fools, you sailed to West Africa to prove that pirates deserve free sailing in your own homeland oceans that have now been abandoned !

You Soweto guys are dumbos, your navy CANNOT abandon your entire nation and try to save West Africa that has anti-piracy power Nigeria operating with super cloud penetrating sea search satellites, coastal long range radar, massive air force of MPAs, massive fleet of deep sea fast interceptors, OPVs with stealth and long endurance cutters plus over ten other corvette sized ships all at the same time.....

Then you carry your small navy of four frigates and a couple of OPV boats to labour in the farthest and best protected zone in Africa and expose your own country South Africa to become the new piracy route of lowest level of security in the world?

You must be totally in.sane, your Soweto navy won't do that craaaaazy deployment and get your navy chief sacked by government. Angola and Namibia is as far as you will go ! Shattered dreams of Alice in wonderland grin grin

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 1:46pm On Oct 03, 2014
Patchesagain post=/post/26831878:
This guy thinks we will be chasing Delta Pirates

Dude, we are after the people who steal ships

Not petty theives who operate in your mangrove swamps

And... how do you unload a container ship in the middle of the ocean? Magic? Witchcraft?

Again, you dont understand the difference between interdiction and law enforcement. We are not going there to chase petty criminals. We are there to protect major international trade.

And yes, it will be an extreamely difficult job for us... but we would not have to do it if you could secure your own region of africa

We are going to spend billions of rands to clean up your mess

Joker
Really? You have started eating your own words now when you saw proof that you will need help from Nigeria, so you will now be in Angola and Namibia alone, your blind eyes just opened to see reality of how West African ocean is BEYOND the reach of South African navy operations....truth hurts grin grin

Patchesagain post=/post/26811675:

It doesnt matter how much fuel a valour class takes, with a refuel of just half a tank it means it can get from cape town to lagos


Your entire argument is pointless and semnatic.

Fact is that we can patrol your waters with ease
No longer at ease. Things fall apart grin grin

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 1:41pm On Oct 03, 2014
Patchesagain post=/post/26821473:
Show me the interceptors deployed by NATO off Somalia
NATO has many countries naval fleets also in Somalia waters, they saturated the place with several aircraft carriers, loaded with jet fighters, helicopters, maritime patrol aircraft, carrier borne speed boats, frigates, corvettes, submarines, oil tankers, suppy ships, replenishment ships, everything a super power navy has was deployed by America, Europe, Saudi Arabia, India, China, etc.

South Africa has ZERO knowledge of piracy operations, that is why your dreams are so foolishly over-bloated grin grin

South Africa can NEVER match that, you have only four frigates, one in Mozambique, two frigates and one submarine at home on your massive 3,200km South African coastline you must not leave undefended, and best you can do is put one frigate and one submarine in gulf of guinea.

South Africa will be like a tiny navy lost massive oceans 10 million km sq wide, struggling to make it's presence felt, while pirates dribble you around grin grin

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 1:28pm On Oct 03, 2014
Patchesagain post=/post/26821432:
Pirates hijack ships

Hijacked ships are oil tankers

They sail at less than 20knts

Not a problem
Pirates rob ships, not only oil tankers but general goods cargo ships, they rob people of valuables and dollars, then speed of in a 32 knot double engine speed boat, this proves you have ZERO knowledge of piracy operations in South Africa.

Your Lynx helicopter radius range is maximum 200 km, so if the pirate alert from Ghana tells you the pirate speed boat is 400km away from your Valour Frigate, what are you going to do at frigate fuel management speed limit 16 knots to catch pirate speed boat of 32 knots already 400km away from your ship and escaping?
[size=13pt]
You need satellite tracking, coastal radar tracking, and ATR-42 Surveyor air support tracking....South Africa will call Nigeria for help grin grin

.[/size]

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 1:18pm On Oct 03, 2014
Patchesagain post=/post/26821415:
We can sail up and patrol 1000 miles.... thats 2,200km (the distanceis just short of the length of our coast).... and sail all the way back without re-fueling

And we can extend the range with re-supply.

You keep trying to make an argument.

But the numbers tell a different story

Also, what is to stop us setting a forward base in Angola so that we can also deploy our OPV's
Reality has dawned on you that South African navy has to BEG ON HER KNEES for diesel fuel in Gulf Of Guinea....shame !

Force projection by begging for help from 'weaker' countries = Failed force projection grin grin

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 1:16pm On Oct 03, 2014
Patchesagain post=/post/26821384:
Yes

You said

Show us how much fuel a valour class needs.
Valour frigate is your ship, so you show us how much tonnes of fuel fills one tank, or am I a South African?

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 1:07pm On Oct 03, 2014
Patchesagain post=/post/26821373:
Hahahahahahahaha


You think wikipedia is a viable source? How do we know you didnt edit it?

Nope, Hamilton Class uses the AN/SPS-55 short-range radar


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/whec-378-specs.htm


It has a range of around 92km
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/an-sps-55.htm


AN/SPS-55 from the 1960's was replaced during the upgrade grin grin

GAME. OVER

Enjoy your short range radar
No, it's game over for you because you quoted a radar different from your own very source, you are the one doing editing now grin

Hamilton ship does NOT use the AN/SPS-55 short-range radar you quoted, you lose again, born loser grin

See your own source screen shot photo below, where is the AN/SPS-55 short-range radar there ? Fraudster grin

Your own very source says it uses the AN/SPS-40 radar and agrees with my Wikipedia source !

Death by own argument, death by own source grin

End Of The Road For Patches grin

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 1:50am On Oct 03, 2014
Patchesagain: Its a sitting duck

Beyond obsolete.


And none of them exist yet -

And the only one who has lost here is you (this entire piracy debate has been so much fun for me)
NAF Mi-171 Terminator obsolete ? You must still be suffering from your Mokopa accident !

NAF is buying this modern helicopter that entered the market in year 2002, more modern than your Gripen jet or ancient Oryx helicopter grin

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mi-171sh-combat-transport-helicopter/

NAF already has 10 of them in service, usually deployed for NA in Sudan-Dafur etc, we are just buying more squadrons, Fool grin

Patches is a Mokopa crash victim, he cannot even use google again, b.rain mixed with custard grin

Nigerian combat helicopters will be almost 100 units when all orders arrive...

South Africa fvcks about with 10 undedicated Rooivalks grin



Note: The ‘No. delivered/produced’ and the ‘Year(s) of deliveries’ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ‘Comments’ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_data.html>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.

Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 03 October 2014


Russia
R: Nigeria

4 Mi-8MT/Mi-17/Hip-H Helicopter (2002) 2003 4 Mi-171Sh armed version
3 Mi-24P/Hind-F Combat helicopter (2012)
6 Mi-8MT/Mi-17/Hip-H Helicopter (2012) Mi-171Sh armed version


http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain:
GreenandGold:
Watch the "Zero" experience Navy patrol your neighborhood...
all you will ever do is breath steam on both your ends. We don't talk sh.it, we do things... thats the SANDF way.
Nice to see you admit the truth in the bolded part above grin

Watch your navy do what? Patrol Angola-Namibia? Sorry wait till year 2015....for now you do nothing, so you have no single achievement to boast about, so stop the speculation in dreamland of patrol plan that is still ONLY on newspaper pages alone grin

When your inexperienced navy sails in real long range patrol mode up to Gabon, come back and post it here grin

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain:
Patchesagain: First you do NOT need data-link to guide artillery, how did coastal artillery work in World War II when data-link did not exist?

They fired at targets they could see.

Can you see 22km?

Artillery is guided by gunner calculated Azimuth co-ordinates NOT data-link, please go join a police thread, ignorance is a disease !

I know that

And does he just magically know the co-ords?

Some one has to tell him. And there are many links in the chain from the unit detecting the vessel to the gunners.

Data-links remove all the links in the chain, the batter commander can see exactly what the plane can

So, without a data-link, even if there is a 5 min delay between shot-correction. Every Single Shell Will Miss

Second, carpet bombing is NOT done by precision guidance munitions, it is done by massive carpet spread over a point target by unguided free fall bombs. Your frigates are sitting ducks 5,000 km away from home with ZERO air cover ! You made a wrong voyage !

Carpet bombing is done by strategic bombers.

Do you have strategic bombers?

Third, 250,000 Nigerians is a equal to 300 Battalions of men with AK-47 rifles, you will have 1,000 times more trouble than you had with poachers you could not defeat in Kruger park.

You are going to sneak 250 000 AK's plus ammo into South Africa?

you cant even get a handfull of your secret agents and a suitcase full of cash into the country without being busted by lowly CUSTOMS OFFICIALS grin grin

Seriously, this is the kind of stuff a 9 year old thinks of

International shipping route as I said, will mean you do not chase pirates that hijack ships and veer off the patrol routes, you just proved that you will never find or catch any pirates, you have no satellite, no MPA aircraft, and your best radar is only 180km range, so you will NEVER find or catch any pirate that is 200km away from your ship, and some pirates will surely be 500km away heading for Europe or South America !

Its called interdiction.

And catching the ship after the fact is easy:

How fast is a super-tanker full of oil?

How fast is a Valour Class frigate?

We can respond with ease

Game. Over cool
Navy 500km coastal radars or TV cameras 50km range or ATR-42 radar 300km range, will track your ships and radio the exact coordinates of your ships exact position to Army artillery command and control. Same way it's been done all over the world for decades, simple as ABC.

Go ask how Nigerian army army artillery dropped shells inside the room where RUF rebel commanders were holding meeting in Sierra Leone, South African Colonel Eben was praising us on that achievement last time I chatted with him on Beegeagle.

If you don't know how artillery communicates with air or land command and control, please go join a Police forum/thread.

Pirates use many different types of vessels for different types of criminal operations, some use high speed boats with double engines, and at 32 knots, they will dribble the whole South African navy 16 knots Frigates, your navy that has ZERO sea interceptors like our Shaldags, your submarine speed is even worse, those ones are bicycle speed, pirates will turn your navy into school children on a play ground grin grin

https://blog.cartran.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Boarding-of-pirate-group-skiff.jpeg
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain:
Patchesagain: Ok.

Explain this to me.

How do they "speed off" in a massive 300,000 tonne ship that can only move at 12 knots?

It seems that the Nigerian Navy has no idea what they are doing.

No wonder you are the worlds new piracy hotspot
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Nigeria uses high speed interceptor Shaldags with radar and FLIR to speed chase/catch pirates.

South African navy has NO sea interceptors [/size] grin grin


https://www.defense-update.com/images/super-dvora-iii.jpg
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 8:01pm On Oct 02, 2014
Patchesagain: Where is the Gulf of Guinea?
How many countries were named in your source ?
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 8:00pm On Oct 02, 2014
GreenandGold: Anywhere we feel like, we have the SAS Drakensberg.
How many ships will share the 5,500 tonnes extra fuel? How many tonnes refuels one frigate?

I said some frigates need 4,000 tonnes to fill tank, so how many days will ALL your ships stay at sea in Gulf Of Guinea?

Or you return home as soon as you arrive? How do you patrol around in circles from Angola to Ghana, or are you just coming to mark register that you came and left immediately ? grin grin

South Africa has ZERO experience of piracy war at sea grin grin

See all the logistics and fuel problems Nigerians are showing you now? You never though about the distance and ship max range grin grin

You want to be tall, but your two legs are too short grin grin

SAN = Sea Dwarf grin grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain:
Patchesagain: Nope, Hamilton Class uses the AN/SPS-55 short-range radar
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/whec-378-specs.htm

It has a range of around 92km
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/an-sps-55.htm

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You just boomed yourself skyhigh grin

Your source does NOT say AN/SPS-55 radar, how the fvck did you mix your brain with custard ?

I prove you wrong below, 250nM is approx 500km. Go fvck your 180km radar short-sighted Valour frigates...fool grin

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