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patches689: Do you want me to explain to you how the hind cannot hover and use cover on the battlefield and instead has toke attack runs like an aero plane? Do you really need me to explain to you why this is a major flaw?

Who told you that Hind cannot hover? All helicopters can hover and even stand still....

South African education is garbage

helicopter, helicopter; vertical flight [Credit: Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.]aircraft with one or more power-driven horizontal propellers or rotors that enable it to take off and land vertically, to move in any direction, or to remain stationary in the air.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/259992/helicopter
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patches689: Can an alpha jet defeat a gripen?

No ??

Lol ok cool story, bro

Meanwhile - in REALITY - the whole of Africa sits back and watches BH rape Nigeria and refuses to help save you from the rampaging BH

War theater is Ivory Coast where SAS Drakensberg brought SANDF troops to the coast but did not land them. Gripen jets cannot fly beyond Zambia, Togo can fly Alpha jets to Ivory Coast.

Nigeria rejected NATO troops from coming into Boko war, Australia promised Green Beret Special forces, Nigeria rejected, so is it your HIV sick SANDF that we will be asking to help? Your soldiers are half dead from HIV already, Boko Haram does not even need to kill them, death is already inside their South African blood like slow poison

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patches689: How will we stop a missile without CIWS? Uhh... Missiles!?

And centery is not part of your navy yet

South Africa has no CIWS to stop any missile.

NNS Centenary is fully built and battle ready, left China, now in Norway. You can monitor her movements on global shipping position locator
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patches689: Yes you slowpoke

They bought NEW Missiles - it doesn't matter how old the design is. If they have just been built they are new!!!

When did you get your missiles?

Show me proof of new missiles.

I posted SIPRI data here last year, Morocco bought mix of both old and new missiles. I proved it and all South Africans kept quiet, shocked !
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patches689: Newer doesn't mean better

Especially when it's a Chinese copy of an older design

Mamu

The Chinese did not copy anybody, many NATO countries use that AGL design, it's all over the place
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patches689: Cool

Y3 is still better

No, Y3 range is shorter, Nigerian LG3 k.ills your grenade crew and knock out your AGL before you can fire anything !
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patches689: Y3 is better

Digital targeting

Multiple role

No contest

What is maximum effective range of the Y3 ? I asked 6 times in 6 days, the 50 million South Africans are afraid to answer me o !
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patches689: We operate the LML version - which is SHORAD and it's job is well SHORAD

Do you know what SHORAD means?

It means Togo's Alpha Jets will R.ape South African army from 2km altitude a.ttack

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patches689: I have already posted citations so no it's not my opinion

The hind has an inferior weapons payload

And if it's avionics are equal it's now better

And it's weapons are by far inferior

And that is my point - it's a huge target because it was made to carry soldiers. That size affects maneuverability and performance

And no maneuverability is essential for attack helicopters... I said nothing about dogfighting.

Do you want me to explain to you why it's important?

Do you want me to explain to you how the hind cannot hover and use cover on the battlefield and instead has toke attack runs like an aero plane? Do you really need me to explain to you why this is a major flaw?

Your private opinion is NOT fact !

Hind E carries more weapon load and options than Rooivalk ! Fact !
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patches689: Poland is the only wealthy country in that list and apart from Brazil... Who has actually bought new ones? How many of those nations only operate old ones? Hahahahahahahah clown

And you can't say something is better than doe thing else without first proving it

Venezuela is richer than Poland.

All the oil and gas nations on that list are as rich or even richer than South Africa, Iraqi oil wealth can buy up your noise making country !
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patches689: The valor class has AHEAD ammo

The upgrade of ground based guns to CRAM capabilities has already begun

The Valour frigate has NO real CIWS to stop a missile, South Africa has NO single AHEAD ammunition for CRAM, stop lying !

#ShowMe Source Proof Of ValourFrigate AHEAD Ammo

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patches689: Your own source says that only the engine is reverse engineered

Where does it say the interior is reverse engineered?

Where does it say the exterior is a copy?

Dude why are you unable to have an honest argument?

Are you the high school drop out that wanted to work in a big company in South Korea?

You cannot even interpret a simple sentence

It did not say the engine was reverse engineered, the engine is the same as Puma Helicopter, purchased from France fully built.

The other interior mechanics were reverse engineered for your half french Rooivalk


"Although it looks like an entirely new machine, the Rooivalk is based on a degree of reverse engineering of the Aerospatiale Puma, using the same engines (albeit in slightly uprated form) and main rotor
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patches689: Show me where it says that in the article - so again you are telling lies

Also:
We sold the G5 to the Iraqis clown


Dude are you even interested in a debate? Or will you just come here and lie? Have you no shame?

The full story got me banned just now, however, it says the guns were designed in Quebec province of Canada at the SRC...Space Research center, the G5 and G6 long range artillery was aimed at a long range launch platform for objects into space.

Quebec is NOT in South Africa.....you are a Retaaard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull
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chris365: Now I see why seleka feasted on sandf and made them run back to Soweto like scared dogs . And why they needed Tanzanian protection in drc


Weak Leadership And Silence On Loss Of SAndf Skills


RAFEEK SHAH, MP
DA SPOKESPERSON FOR DEFENCE

An average of 187 skilled and experienced technicians and 24 pilots of the South African Air Force (SAAF) resign annually. According to a parliamentary reply (1), we are experiencing a steady loss of skills and experience, which has serious implications for force readiness, the maintenance of equipment and weaponry, and the supervision of subordinate members.

The Democratic Alliance (DA) wrote a letter to the previous Minister of Defence asking for details on what is being done to address the ongoing loss of critical skills in the military, as well as for details of a contingency plan which will guarantee that our defence capability is not compromised. To date, the DA has not received any reply.

In September 2008, we called upon the new Minister, Charles Nqakula, to tell the public what he intended to do about the loss of military skills. To date, we have heard nothing. Repeatedly, we see clear evidence of weak and ineffective leadership in critical issues. Is the Minister going to wait until there is no one left before he acts?

Since 2004:

? There have been 94 resignations by pilots, and all of these were of the rank Second Lieutenant and higher;
? There have been 746 resignations by SAAF technical personnel and of these, 51 resignations were of the rank Second Lieutenant and higher;
? There have been 114 resignations from Command and Control (2), and of these 40 were of the rank Second Lieutenant and higher.

We can clearly see that there is a steady loss of skills and experience from the SAAF every year. While the military is bringing in new members through the Military Skills Development System (MSDS), this system merely replaces bodies but not skills and experience. The loss of senior experienced personnel also affects the ability of the military to develop young military leadership by example and skills transfer.

We want to see clear, decisive action being taken by the Minister to assure us that something is being done to address this issue. We repeat our calls for the Minister to address the public on this matter and for a full audit to be done to determine why people are resigning.

(1) Parliamentary Reply No. 1476/2008
(2) Command and Control provides operationally ready command and control elements in support of air battle space operations

Chineke mo

Only 6 qualified Gripen jet pilots we know, but now it's worse, sure less than 12 Hawk jet pilots, less than 4 Rooivalk pilots, only two Valour frigates crew, only one submarine crew....and the oldest aged grey haired weak heart high blood pressure infantry soldiers in the world, with the younger soldiers hooked on HIV treatment drugs for life !

SANDF is a professionally useless military, best value we can get is to make them pose for photographs so we can have free album on internet
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patches689: His is hilariously stupi.d

The American Army in 1990 was untested

They smashed the Christ out of the Iraqi Army who had over a DECADES FULL SCALE COMBINED ARMS CONVENTIONAL WAR EXPERIENCE

Experience means nothing when you have training

Bwahaha

Let's humiliate y.ou Patrick with this :

In Vietnam war, the average age of the American combat soldier was 19, by Iraqi war, those experienced men were just 34 years old !

What a mumu you are! America had fantastic war experience just 15 years before fighting Iraq in gulf war 1990.

America had over half a million soldiers and about 1,000 aircraft fighting a long 20 year war in Vietnam just 15 years before they used same experience to defeat Iraq.

@patches, you are a world class mumu !

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

Nigeria has current war experience with all her major equipment/weapons and we will have a very big advantage over South Africa in real war, all South Africa has to show is photography with ZERO combat experience.
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patches689: lol

sure they did

Okay show us proof they did what you claim as I asked below

Augustine Again: "Show us a war fought by 10,000 terrorists disguised as civilians of whom 50% are South African citizens, living on South African soil, mixed with your own civilians in your townships, armed with machine guns and RPGs, sow us such a war fought by your SANDF to test your true practican capacity to cope with such an unconventional war motivated by religion and readiness to do suicide bombing plus full war spread over an area of the size of Great Britain and across the whole length of South African border from Namibia to Mozambique, crossing border into Zimbabwe and crossing back into South Africa at night to attack civilian towns that are defenceless, show me such a war SANDF has ever fought to prove their real combat capability and not photography marketing you guys are doing here like retaards, who told you photographs is a prove of an army's battlefield capability? I am sure you don't know the true meaning of war"

CraigB: Pictures of a dead enemy scream desperation. When all else has failed, be vulgar, why don't you?

But we all know why you're desperate.

How many pictures of dead people have you posted? Are you a professional photographer of the dead?

Proves South Africans claim of killing many Seleka Rebels is false, the only photos of dead men we see from the battle of Bangui are South African soldiers (With due respect to the dead).

You come here to tell us 1,000 Seleka men died and there is no picture of even one single dead body existing. SANDF is a big liar!
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Thiza: A TRUE AND PROFESSIONAL MILITARY OUTFIT NOT RUNNING SPRINTERS....WHO BREAK WORLD RECORDS CROSSING BORDERS TO CAMEROON

Do you know the meaning of the world 'TRUE' ? It means proved correct and tested correct.

All the other armies of over 100 countries of this world can also claim to be TRUE professional because they have not been tested in battle and have never fought any long sustained war like America, Russia, Britain, Israel, and Nigeria !

Only we who are fully tested are the true world class professional military.


Show us a war fought by 10,000 terrorists disguised as civilians of whom 50% are South African citizens, living on South African soil, mixed with your own civilians in your townships, armed with machine guns and RPGs, sow us such a war fought by your SANDF to test your true practican capacity to cope with such an unconventional war motivated by religion and readiness to do suicide bombing plus full war spread over an area of the size of Great Britain and across the whole length of South African border from Namibia to Mozambique, crossing border into Zimbabwe and crossing back into South Africa at night to attack civilian towns that are defenceless, show me such a war SANDF has ever fought to prove their real combat capability and not photography marketing you guys are doing here like retaards, who told you photographs is a prove of an army's battlefield capability? I am sure you don't know the true meaning of war.

Nigerian army just k.illed over 100 Bokos and captured over 30, in a dangerous mixed street to street fighting inside a city of half a million civilians and yet with very little civilian casualties even in the dark night of combat, show me where your SANDF 'professional' army and air force has done that in the last 100 years !!!!

SANDF are only professional photographers

#ShowUsSANDF inBattle AndThe Enemy TheyK.illed

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Best Combat Helicopter In Africa Arrives Nigerian Air Force !

Welcome the Mi-35M Hind E....Most modern in the world of Hinds and in Africa

PHOTO ONLY AVAILABLE ON BEEGEAGLE, BEST SOURCE ON NIGERIAN MILITARY INFO

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patches689: No we get it.

But 10 obsolete helo's arent going to change anything.

SAAF has ONLY 10 Rooivalks and with 2011 technology.

Nigeria has 36 Helicopter gunships including 6 Hind E with 2014 technology.

We have almost 4 times more powerful helicopter force, and best in Africa after Egypt

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patches689: We got the Cubans to agree to a troop withdrawal

hence, Victory

Cuba got South Africa to agree a troop withdrawal, hence victory.

Cuban supported side MPLA rules Angola today and flies their flag, hence total victory
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patches689: Our job was never to hold C.A.R

Our job was never to defend Bangui.

So no, they did not.

No, SANDF was holding a whole and it's environs base in C.A.R. Bangui, Seleka defeated you and you lost the ground you were holding for a very long time and living there like landlords.

Next think was SANDF ran home from the airport and swore never to return.

That is Total Defeat, no other name
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patches689: lol

Are you too dense to connect the dots?

There are no dots anywhere except that Israel is proved to have tested ICBM but no proof for South Africa ! FACT !

Are you s.ick ? You are posting Israel's Jericho ICBM, is South Africa and Israel the same country?

Believed to have been tested is NOT proved to have been tested

We too believe Epe missile in Nigeria has been tested to 120km range !

You must be s.ick....Mumu

#ShowUs Soweto ICBM Proved Tested

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patches689: Need another geography lesson?

You need another lesson about humiliation?
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patches689: Need another geography lesson?

You need a lesson about humiliation?
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patches689: First, its a ballistic missile.

Second:

The Jericho II is a solid fuel, two-stage long-range ballistic missile system. There was a series of test launches into the Mediterranean from 1987 to 1992, the longest at around 1,300 km, mostly from the facility at Palmachim, south of Tel Aviv. Jane's reports that a test launch of 1,400 km is believed to have taken place from South Africa's Overberg Test Range in June 1989.[8]

The RSA-3 was produced by the Houwteq (a discontinued division of Denel) company at Grabouw, 30 km east of Cape Town. Test launches were made from Overberg Test Range near Bredasdorp, 200 km east of Cape Town. Rooi Els was where the engine test facilities were located. Development continued even after South African renunciation[10] of its nuclear weapons for use as a commercial satellite launcher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_(missile)

Are you s.ick ? You are posting Israel's Jericho ICBM, is South Africa and Israel the same country?

Believed to have been tested is NOT proved to have been tested

We too believe Epe missile in Nigeria has been tested to 120km range !

You must be s.ick....Mumu

#ShowUs Soweto ICBM Proved Tested

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MikeZA: From that map you can see Northern Angola is closer to Nigeria than Cape town.

patches689: A.rgument d.estroyed

Yes your own argument is d.estroyed by the fact that the piracy map you guys have been posting here is old and out-dated 2012 data, the new Angolan piracy recorded for your South Africa led SADC joint defense agreement region was in this new year 2014.

Again, South Africa is welcome to the club....a new piracy map of Africa 2014 will soon be drawn to replace the out-dated 2012 map below

Bwahahaha

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patches689: The mutual defence pact says nothing about pirates, and if a nation wishes to invoke the Mutual Defence Act they must submit documentation to SADAC within 30 days before any members can act - thus it is a passive defence pact not an ACTIVE defence pact
http://www.issafrica.org/pubs/Books/ProspectsForASecurity05/AppendG.pdf

so in conclusion:

1. The attack was much closer to Nigeria than South Africa
2. South Africa has no responsibility to patrole Angolan waters

NOT TO MENTION THAT YOU CAPTURED THE SHIP OFF THE COAST OF NIGERIA

“Subsequent report from IMB on Jan. 25 located her about 50nm South West of Pennington Oil Terminal in Nigeria.
http://www.punchng.com/news/navy-intercepts-hijacked-greek-merchant-tanker/

As usual your argument is reliant on lies and mis-information

Nope, the fact that South Africa signed a SADC defense pact with Angola gives your big boasting Soweto mouth the responsibility to ensure security of the whole SADC region.

Thank you for posting the SADC defense agreement document/proof, I didn't have it before, thanks bros

The ship was found in West Africa after hijack inside Angolan waters because South African Valour Frigates and Submarines FAILED to catch it, your foolish navy has NO OPV in your west coast...ZERO force projection !

Welcome to the world of Piracy my dear South Africa, you are now part of the club
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MikeZA: Prove it.

You prove your fake ICBM flew, you are the ones making claims, prove it !

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