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saengine: You must learn to answer questions that are asked instead of talking like a politician. How could you claim victory in your naval simulation when you didn't simulate your enemy firing one single shot at you? not one single shot? Is that realistic?Tell us that....HOW? Fool. You only win these simulations of yours in your head.

Fighter Pilot: Army which cannot defeat Boko Haram and whose weapons and uniform are in the hands of the Boko Boys will surely not defeat SA.

saengine: And I'm still waiting for agaugust to give a response to his naval simulation. Making excuses that he has been blocked. Tell us, tell the world how you could claim victory when you didn't let the South Africans fire a single shot in your simulation. Explain that to us you big fraud. You didn't let our navy guns or helicopters fire a single shot, then you claim victory? In your mind did our Navy go there on a sight seeing trip? You big fraud.

andrewza: Since when is the roland the target, SAAF will only need to search the a corridor and target AO, so it will not search the entire country. Actually it works both ways now, the roland can not be everywhere so there may only be 3 to 4 in the AO not all 16, so less missiles to worry about.

Fighter Pilot: Lol!!! That's a fact. Your grandfather Roland is very too slow to counter attacks from Mokopa, Umbani and paveway. LMFAO!!!

Fighter Pilot: Which is why the speed of SAAB JAS 39 Gripen was limited to mach 2 which is the safest for its engine parts.

Fighter Pilot: There is something clearly wrong with Agaugust to think that SANDF does not have the capability to demolish Roland air defence. Umbani, Mokopa and paveway will surely do the job without any hardship.

Henry120: The chances of nigeria-south africa war is 0.00001%.

Fighter Pilot: There is something clearly wrong with Agaugust to think that SANDF does not have the capability to demolish Roland air defence. Umbani, Mokopa and paveway will surely do the job without any hardship.

Fighter Pilot: Lol!!! Jets will burn when they fly at their maximum speed!! That's your ignorant claims. Did you ever ask yourself why did the 4th generation fighter jet manufacturers decided to endow their new found high-tech planes speed that is more than that of Roland missiles. Jets do not burn when they fly on Max speed, because their engines were specially designed to accommodate that speed.

Fighter Pilot: @Agaugust- from your most favourite source "wikipedia" I quote "The Roland SAM system was designed to engage enemy air targets flying at speeds of up to Mach 1.3 at altitudes between 20 meters and 5,500 meters with a minimum effective range of 500 meters and a maximum of 6,300 meters. The system can operate in optical or radar mode and can switch between these modes during an engagement (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_(missile)). The speed of Roland SAM is mach 1.6 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_(missile) not 2000km/h in contrary to what you have claimed above. The 4.5 SAAB JAS 39 Gripen is a faster fighter jet which kick up to mach 2 with almost mach 0.5 advantage on the useless Roland missile. Modern SAMs missiles can reach the speed of up to mach 3.5 with the aim of fighting faster jets.

Fighter Pilot: Yet again you take refuge on a wish list, but anyway is good to dream. Do you think that if you are under siege the enemy will even allow you time to make that transaction? It will be too late, let alone recruiting mercenary pilots, they are difficult to get at this time and age.

Fighter Pilot: Your comments are very desperate! The 4.5th generation SAAB JAS 39 Griffin is equipped with this system (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_Approach_Warning) but the more advanced one which can even tell the pilot before the radar can even track him.

My fellow dear friend falling object always appear to be much faster than launching objects. Newton law of motion of falling objects taught us that the earth has gravitational force which exerts certain acceleration of (9.8 m/s2) on free falling objects. Imagine now if such falling objects are propelled. Umbani is not just an ordinary bomb that falls from the sky without any propulsion. That bomb approach at the very high speed boss.

Henry120: .

Fighter Pilot: Roland SAMs are radar/visually guided missiles http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surface-to-air_missiles and the forth generation fighters have a system in place to detect approaching Roland SAMs from far away. Though even if missiles appears to be faster than planes that is not the case with Roland SAMs since they start to launch with a slow speed before they reach their full speed.

Firstly let us compare the speed of Roland SAM in relation to that of SAAB JAS 39 Gripen. If I am not mistaken, Roland SAMs make Mach 1.4 as compared to Gripen (Griffin) which kicks up to Mach 2. With all of this advantage, it gives experienced Gripen pilot upper hand to deploy counter measures timeously. Rolands have lot of disadvantages in this era of forth generation fighters because of their radar system.

saengine: I knew you would avoid my initial question. I asked you, yes or no can Umbani hit a Roland SAM? You said no. You have provided absolutely no technical evidence why you say no. You have only claimed you would hide your Roland from sight. So already you have failed. Point number 2, Roland does not track its targets by magic. The Gripen electronic package will pick up when it is being tracked by radar. So the only way for you to try shoot us down is to expose your position which your radar beams give away. Once your turn your tracking on, you have exposed yourself, and the Gripen reconnaissance pod will pin point your GPS location. Do you think SA pilots find their targets by looking out the window? Again, you have failed. If you think the Gripen has endurace of 15 minutes you have exposed yourself to not having a clue what you are talking about. Do yourself a favour and Google the Gripen range and endurance. Why would SA Gripens try and bomb all Roland SAM across Nigeria? The bombing would be in a given area to clear air space for helicopters to drop ground forces for example. So we only need our Gripen and hawks to clear a given area at a time. This long awaited reply of yours is a massive fail and disappointment. You have failed at your own challenge. How pathetic. First your naval blockage simulation was a sham, now this.

patriot4: I think your software is not more usefull than a simple calculator. Must we attach the calculator to the guns for you to call it modern ?

The only advantage you could have with your "software" is that you wouldn't need to train your men as much.
By the way such "software" is not difficult to make. I could write the program and run it on my laptop.
Anyway, I think you have now got the point that your "modernization" is not only useless but it is also easy for individuals to do the same. And a laptop could replace that your attached computer verry easilly.
Frankly, i prefer a pen and a paper.

Defenceweb: [quote author=Defenceweb]You think I care if Augustine calls me a coward? We wouldn't even need Gripen to take out your Roland SAM. Like it was said before Gripen will just use it's reconaissance pod to locate the position of your Roland. Then pass on that GPS data to two Hawk jets carrying Umbani bomb kits. Your own Wikipedia which you love so much says Roland is poor at defending itself from low RCS munitions. As long as the Gripen and Hawk stay out of range of your 5km Roland, then it is fine. Our Hawks don't even need to launch from 100km away, they can launch from 10km or less and your Roland can do nothing about it.

Fighter Pilot The umbani is just too much to stress any dense air defence in the world. Even Mokopa will be effective at the range of 10kM which dwafs that of Roland's 5.5km.

saengine 1 Gripen can use its recon pod to asses your Roland positions and get general or specif GPS co-ords. Even if you know the Gripen is there, it's fine as long as we fly out of range or your missiles. Using that info, two Hawks launch 500kg Umbani bombs with numerous war heads onto your target. Vulture UAV's can also recon your position, to provide co-ordinates to fire on the Roland battery.

DictatorZAR Now answer me how your Roland will defend itself against 10 Umbani rocket assisted Precision Guided Missile's or the Laser Guided Raytheon Paveway Bomb fired 50KM away at a altitude of 40 000ft, before you come and spew your foolishness.

andrewza fly, target over the horine out of the ranger of the roland. Drop PGMs. easy as pie.

agaugust: .........

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[size=16pt]Nigerian army builds new hi-tech spy devices launched into space 300,000 feet above earth [/size]


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The Nigeria Army said it has developed intelligent devices that will tackle the Boko Haram insurgency.
The Nigerian Army on Wednesday boasted that it has developed hi-tech devices capable of gathering information and intelligence to tackle the Boko Haram insurgency and other acts of terrorism across the country.
The General Officer Commanding, 2 Div., Ibadan, Ahmed Tijani, made the disclosure at a lecture held at the Army formations headquarters in Ibadan.

Major General Ahmed Tijani GOC 2 Division of Nigerian Army, said the sophisticated devices, in form of balloons, were unveiled in 2012. they have the capabilities of both spy aeroplanes and spy satellites, and will be used to monitor troop movements and regiment size, and gather other different types of military combat intelligence.

According to Mr. Tijani, the technology has been upgraded and has a 84 kilometer launch into space.

The Guest Speaker, Brigadier General Nwokoro Ijioma, spoke on the theme, “Transforming the army into a force better able to meet contemporary challenges”.

He said the balloons would be deplored to the hotbeds of terrorism attacks in the country.
Thousands of Nigerians have been killed by insurgents in Northern Nigeria; particularly by the Boko Haram sect.

i said it this morning, south african weapons manufacturing is no longer better than nigeria because each country has chosen what it wants to build for according to its own different defense policy, plans, and needs.

time proves me right again. i said on this forum that nigeria is developing secret weapons including long range missiles already test fired to 120km range at Epe coastal lagoon area of lagos state. now who know what nigerian military has reserved for a big surprise to its e.nemy ? south africa is NO threat to nigeria, they just make a lot of noise and photo/videos. nigeria is a secretive unbeatable military power on the whole african continent.

in addition to nigerian satellites, these new space devices now enables nigerian army to further its monitoring of all south african Gripen jets in flight down below it and all south african paveway or umbani guided bombs and missiles, and also another method of targeting and sinking the whole south african navy in any naval blockade attempt with artillery from the coast or from nigerian navy's 12 blue water warships NNS ARADU, NNS THUNDER 1, NNS THUNDER 2, NNS ENRINMI, NNS ENYIMIRI, NNS ANYAM, NNS SIRI, NNS EKUN, and the FOUR BRAND NEW STEALTH GUIDED MISSILE FRIGATE arriving from next year 2014.

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Nigeria now climbs to the top of new current african military ranking...shares number one rank with Egypt.

it is now proved that nigeria has many unkown secret military high technology equipment, hardware and weapons to defeat any country in africa from cape town to cairo.

long live the giant of africa ! God bless nigeria.


weblink sources

http://allafrica.com/stories/201305090894.html

http://premiumtimesng.com/news/133308-nigerian-army-announces-hi-tech-device-to-tackle-boko-haram.html[/size]

Agaugust

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saengine: By the way, I countered your simulation of a South African Naval blockade on page 308. I hadn't seen it till now. Your so called simulation was embarrassing to say the least. You simulate your artillery firing on us, but you don't simulate our guns firing on you? Then you have the guts to say Agaugust has sank the SA Navy?. Again, what a sham and failure you have turned out to be.

Fighter Pilot: I do not really mean to undermine your arsenal chief, but it is really not that impressive. I told you from the first time I engaged in this debates.

agaugust:
Nigeria: Close Associate of Bh.oko H.aram Leader, S.heka.u, Found D.ead

http://allafrica.com/stories/201305290596.html

saengine: How long has all that amazing equipment been in Nigeria? If Boko Haram was scared of all that nice equipment, they wouldn't have launched their attacks in the first placet

agaugust:
Nigeria: Close Associate of Bh.oko H.aram Leader, S.heka.u, Found D.ead -

http://allafrica.com/stories/201305290596.html

see my post before this got hidden by nairaland administrator, i was warned of posting heavy info on b.ooko h.aram, i may not respond to the topic all the time, it will get me banned out of forum. i am trying my luck now again with this risky post.

Fighter Pilot: Of course, we cannot have all weapons that Nigeria have. We might not be interested in some of their inventory. The fact is we have more of

modern weapons than Nigeria can ever have. This does not even need internet to prove, it is a well known fact that is known by the entire military

analysts in the world.

Fighter Pilot: I do not really mean to undermine your arsenal chief, but it is really not that impressive. I told you from the first time I engaged in this debates.

zetdee: West African states must beg SA to help them with their piracy problem, I don't think they're capable of dealing with it.

saengine: One month ago, soldiers from 5 Special Forces Regiment were caught in an ambush outside Bangui in the Central African Republic (CAR). So began the “Battle of Bangui”, which cost the lives of thirteen soldiers, all of whom served in the elite 1 Parachute Battalion. These soldiers fought well when the fighting began, killing an estimated 800 rebels, according to the terrible logic of battle, which is: kill or be killed. We extend our condolences to the families of the soldiers who lost their lives.

http://www.da.org.za/newsroom.htm?action=view-news-item&id=12128

This comment is coming from the opposition party, the DA. They will say anything to talk bad about the current government, but even they know our troops fought well. 800 Seleka rebels killed. Well done to the brave soldiers. For me this is the final point we South Africans should make about CAR.

agaugust: @south africans, i am posting a long post combining all your comments together. i missed much action yesterday, so i deceided to post replies to all the r.ubbish you guys wrote yesterday. i will be posting in the next one hour or so.

my reply was too long and too many photos in it...i got banned for spam

LT SHANGY: brother, our tank systems and jet systems are quite old(except for our miserable F-7NI),our Aradu flag ship is quite old. the NNS Thunder is an opv.
well, we are still waiting for our SU-25 frogfoots, J-10s,and hongdu L-15 falcons.