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LT SHANGY: Fellow Nairalanders, like i earlier posted, their is no clear continental military super power. However, Regional military powers do exist.. But if i may put it this way, African largest forces are the east Africans, South Africa are technologically advanced, but they lack personnels with the will power to fight.. They even lack personnels 2 man their submarines and grippens, Nigeria has a formidable force with the fighting will power and can adapt to any threat, nevertheless their weaponries are outdated and old.. They lack that acquisition power.

there are many types of modern weapons nigeria has , but south africa does NOT have. there are 40 year old weapons in south african military, i posted those details many months ago as @Agaugust.

nigeria has a large quantity and quality of brand new modern weapons already in service or on order. on this thread/topic go to pages 103, 115, and top four posts on top of this page 280 and update your knowledge and renew your mind.

@Agaugust

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nigeria to build 70% of stealth guided missile frigate[/size]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-18300358



a few warship types and definitions


=Frigates (FF or FFG)

A frigate is a medium-sized surface combatant (between 2,000 and 5,000 tons) that is either suited for one specific role (anti-submarine warfare or anti-air warfare), or has lesser all-around capabilities than a destroyer. A frigate may be less capable than a destroyer, but is still a relatively sophisticated and expensive (averaging around US$325 million apiece) platform. A frigate is generally the smallest surface combatant that can conduct extended blue-water missions in a high-threat environment.

=Corvettes (FS)

Corvettes are fast (around 25 knots or better), well-armed ships that displace between 700 and 2000 tons. A corvette is generally not intended for extended ocean-going operations, and is best suited for regional operations. Corvettes are generally the smallest platforms capable of accommodating the sensors, weapons, and combat systems needed to operate in a medium threat environment. Corvettes are sometimes referred to as light frigates (FFLs). It can be assumed that the hull design for a corvette and that of an offshore patrol vessel are very similar. The differences will be in propulsion and outfitting. Corvettes will have higher speed and therefore less endurance and range than OPV, much greater armament, and less space for provisions and habitability.


full deatils on weblink http://www.amiinter.com/pagex.php?pg=vesseltypes


however, warships fight and d.estroy the enemy according to the ships's weapons and NOT according to the ships's body (hull) size, lenght and weight. it is very dangerous to under-estimate a small sized warship loaded with guided missiles.

designs 2D and 3D images of the stealth guided missile light frigate warship nigeria is building at our shipyard in lagos shown in the photos below.



@Agaugust


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[size=16pt]3 attack submarines for nigerian navy soon [/size]

From year 2001 to 2008, Nigerian Armed Forces entered into contractual agreements and/or taken delivery of the following :

=Four Balsam-class 61m logistics ships
=Two stealth offshore patrol craft
=British-made supply vessels
=Many dozens of Chinese, US and Singapore-built fast response boats, troop landing craft and gunboats in the 10-25m configs.
Though the 4 Buoy Tenders were acquired from US Coast Guard in 2003/2004, they were about 60 years old. On 12 April 2009, the Navy commissioned two 38-meter Sea Eagle Fast Patrol Crafts (FPCs) - NNS Zaria and NNS Burutu and two new Agusta helicopters procured from Alenia, Italy.

ALSO EXPECTED :

=1,450+ton oceangoing OPVs @ US$260 m
=More 38m stealth Offshore Patrol Craft from Singapore
=Super Dvora and Shaldag gunboats from Israel
=More Chinese gunboats and landing craft (rumoured end-figure of 200 units..including already delivered units)
=More Singaporean gunboats
=Twelve Agusta A109 Power helicopters
=Twelve Eurocopter AS-550 Fennec naval attack choppers
=Four Offshore Patrol Craft from France
=Thirty gunboats from France

The Air Arm of the Nigerian Navy already owns a mix of about 8 Agusta-Westland Lynx helicopters and Agusta 109 Power helicopters. With the expected
With new delivery of TWELVE Eurocopter Fennec naval attack helicopters, it seems likely that the NN Air Arm will have about 20 recce and attack choppers, a floating helicopter base for the NN's Air Arm becomes necessary.

Year 2009, Nigerian Navy asked the Federal Government's approval to add to its inventory about 49 warships of different types and 42 combat helicopters to enable it police the nation's territorial waterways, including the Gulf of Guinea effectively.

To enable the Federal Government meet up with this target, the Chief of Naval Staff, Vice Admiral Ishaya Ibrahim stated that the Federal Government, through the Ministry of Defence, set aside a percentage of the GDP for Maritime Security Equipment Development Fund.

Navy Vice Admiral Ibrahim stated that for the Navy to pursue its operational capacity that will enable the nation become one of the 20 strongest nations, it should procure the different platforms in three phases, namely short, medium and long term measures.

For its immediate plan which will span for two years, the Federal Government will add to the inventory of the Navy two light frigates, two 85 metre OPVs, six 17 metre Manta Class IPCs, six Shaldag MK 11 Patrol Craft, two 38 metre FPBs, two combat Augusta A138 helicopters, one Landing Platform Dock, and two Logistics Ships.

For medium term which will span between two to five years, the Admiral said the Nigerian Navy would have, ten OPVs,20 helicopters, one hydrographic ship, two training ships, two logistics ships, and two mine counter measure vessels (MCMVs).

For a long term plan which he put at between five and ten years, he requested the Federal Government to procure, three Conventional Submarines, two corvettes, two LPDs, 20 long rang maritime patrol helicopters, two training ships and two MCMVs.


ALSO COMING VERY SOON TO THE NIGERIAN NAVY

=Two LIGHT FRIGATES(these will probably be the German MEKO A200 corvettes),
=Two 85 metre OPVs (these are the same Castle-class OPVs which we talked about earlier on this thread)
=Six 17 metre Manta Class Inshore Patrol Craft (two entered NN service in Q1,2009),
=Six Shaldag MK 11 Patrol Craft(one entered service in July 2009
=Two 38 metre Offshore Patrol Craft(two others entered NN service in April 2009),
=Two combat Augusta A138 helicopters,
=One Landing Platform Dock, and
=Two Logistics Ships.

THE MEDIUM TERM (2 TO 5 YEARS)

=Ten OPVs,
=Twenty helicopters,
=One hydrographic ship,
=Two training ships,
=Two logistics ships, and
=Two mine counter measure vessels (MCMVs).

THE LONG TERM (5 TO 10 YEARS)

=Three Conventional Submarines,
=Two corvettes,
=Two LPDs,
=Twenty long-range maritime patrol helicopters,
=Two training ships and Two MCMVs.

WEB LINK SOURCE : http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/navy-modernization.htm

[size=16pt]the new nigerian navy will rule the oceans of africa very soon.[/size]

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@Agaugust


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[size=16pt]nigerian navy : 12 new Fennec anti-submarine helicopters from france[/size]


nigeria's large number of 12 fennec helicopters gives nigeria the ability to search and destroy enemy submarines along the whole of nigeria's 850km coastline all at once, by giving each helicopter just a tiny 70km area to cover quickly as the 12 helicopters spread out. excellent naval war planning.


= http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/navy-modernization.htm

More anti-submarine capability : extra anti-submarine weapons of the ATR 72 ASW can be fixed on Nigerian Air Force ATR 42 Surveyor Maritime Aircraft

Aliena ATR 72 ASW integrates the ATR 42 MP (Maritime Patrol) mission system with the same on-board equipment but with additional ASW capabilities. The anti-submarine warfare variant has been selected by Turkish Navy and Italian Navy for ASW and anti-surface warfare (ASuW) duties, the aircraft will be armed with a pod-mounted machine gun, lightweight aerial torpedoes, anti-surface missiles, and depth charges. They will also be equipped with the AMASCOS (Airborne Maritime Situation and Control System) maritime surveillance system of Thales, as well as electronic warfare and reconnaissance systems, and will also be used for maritime search and rescue operations.

NEWS : NIGERIAN NAVY ANTI-SUBMARINE TRAINING IN PAKISTAN

= http://beegeagle./2012/02/16/recap-nigerian-navy-personnel-in-pakistan-for-submarine-training/

nigerian navy is prepared for submarine warfare in adavnce. many officers now train in pakistani navy submarines.

@Agaugust

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.................................[size=16pt]rising sea power of nigerian navy[/size]....................................



the 2 nigerian navy new stealth warships will be bigger than the same type in china's navy. its name therefore has been re-coded as P18N, no more Type 056 Frigate. for this class of warships nigerian navy versions are bigger and better than the original chinese navy versions. original Type 056 is 89m, but nigerian version is 95m, we expect it to be better armed as a specially customized warship and have a longer range/endurance days at sea.

The Type 056 is the first Chinese warship with module design, which makes it cover the roles from OPV to multi-role frigate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_056_corvette

=Type 056 class corvette / light frigate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_056_corvette

=Type 056 Jiangdao Class Corvette - Also known as Guided Missile Frigate by Chinese State Shipbuilding Corporation
http://defenseupdates..ca/2013/03/first-type-056-class-corvette-light.html

=American military expert is warning that China’s new class of stealth missile frigates could pose a direct threat to Taiwan.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=941


fresh news coming from india also sounds alike, nigerian navy's 2 to 4 pipav/tiger clone stealth frigate warships will be bigger than the indian 95m, nigerian frigates will be about 110m and clones of tiger frigates they will have extraordianry anti-submarine weapons of both torpedoes and missiles to destroy all enemy submarines.

these nigerian pipav frigates have many more missiles than south african valour frigates, as nigerian navy is becoming the best in africa.

valour frigate south africa : 76mm gun. 8 anti-ship missiles. 16 anti-aircraft missiles. 4 anti-submarine torpedoes.

P18N light frigate nigeria : 76mm gun. 4 anti-ship missiles. 8 anti-aircraft missiles. 6 anti-submarine torpedoes. these nigerian missiles may be more because of bigger size than china's version Type 056, reports say the missiles numbers may be double of what is written above

valour frigate south africa : 76mm gun. 8 anti-ship missiles. 16 anti-aircraft missiles. 4 anti-submarine torpedoes.

Pipav/Tiger clone frigate nigeria : 100mm gun or 76mm gun. 16 anti-ship missiles. 12 anti-aircraft missiles. 14 anti-submarine missiles combination with anti-submarine torpedoes.

This 2,200 tons it is large for a corvette and is designated as a frigate by NATO

= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steregushchy-class_corvette

= http://beegeagle./tag/nigerian-naval-acquisitions/

= http://beegeagle./2012/08/16/nigerian-navy-lined-up-to-receive-4-new-opvs-pipavav-shipyard-win-us500-million-order2-units-with-an-option-on-a-further-2-opvs-for-west-african-client/

=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-18300358


Nigerian P18N (Type 056) light frigate electronic weapons systems

=Type 1R-17 optronics
=Type 360 air/surface search radar
=Type 760 navigation radar
=Type 754 helicopter control and approach radar
=Hull Sonar
=Jammers
=Decoy Launchers
=S1TN240 SATCOM System
=Close-In Weapon System (CIWS)


.Nigerian navy Pipav/Tiger class frigate electronic systems


.Sensors and processing systems:

=Air search radar: Furke-E 3D, E/F band
=Surface search radar: Granit Central Scientific Institute Garpun-B/3Ts-25E/PLANK SHAVE radar
=Monument targeting radar
=Fire control radar: Ratep 5P-10E Puma for A-190
=HOT FLASH radar
=Sonar: Zarya-ME suite, bow mounted. Vinyetka low frequency active/passive towed array
=Close-In Weapon System (CIWS)
=Navigation: GORIZONT-25 integrated navigation system
=Electronic warfare & decoys
=TK-25E-5 ECM


@Agaugust


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khukhi: He's just making it very clear that the giant is all in your head. Even researchers state Nigeria is the 4th most powerful army. Deal with it.

who ? researcher ? with what data ? which criteria ? quote source, or else kindly put a padlock on your mouth

all4naija: Still having no independence day to celebrate as of today means your country is still under the colonization and as such makes you slave to me.

Cry baby. Even Lucky Duba and Brenda Farsi sang different songs on South African blacks as slaves.

... I am slave. Slaveee!
The least of slave... Slaveee!
Slave yoyo!...

Use your brain, my friend.

you f.inished them, ha ha ha ha

sithwell: My people. It's been fun. I'm out of the forum for the time-being. Continue having fun, and do less of the fighting thing.You know what they say, learning is fun. There are great people all over Africa and I'm sure we will be alright.

Ah ! painful exit of my good friend, we will all miss you. despite your patriotic bias, you came out as the most honest south african on this forum in your time. goodbye my brother...get closer to God, he will promote and bless you. Amen

@Agaugust

if nigeria and south africa co-operate, africa will change for good...but the rivalry thing...who will be africa's lead nation ? its a big issue. example, both want to be africa's permanent representative on UN security council seat.

sithwell: Yeah - yeah, but you know Fighter_Pilot softened you up with his complement. You're even prepared to beg for South Africa to share with you guys!

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https://www.drinkstuff.com/productimg/47014.jpg

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@Fighter Pilot
@all4naija

take it easy gentlemen, its weekend today...remember ! lol

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Fighter Pilot: Any army that declares to challenge us must be prepared to face robots or our remote controlled weapons before they face the actual combatants. Our military technology has advanced so fast.

nigeria has similar hardware, we deployed land based robots in mali war, fully built in nigeria, all are nigerian made unmanned surface vehicles.

nigeria has locally designed, developed, built, and deployed in mali war, two different types or remote controlled weapons.

first nigerian air force built robots for bomb detonation/dispopsal
second nigerian army built land drones unmanned surface surveillance vehicles

the top african militaries are arming up seriously, nobody wants to a victim like congo DRC, a big football that smaller nations kick around.

weblikn sources :

http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/index.php?option=com_content&id=93230:air-force-develops-bomb-detonating-robot-tracking-device-&Itemid=426

http://allafrica.com/stories/201304170090.html

http://article.wn.com/view/2013/04/17/Peacekeeping_Army_Deploys_Own_Unmanned_Surveillance_Vehicle_/#/related_news

@Agaugust

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nigerian army infantry

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nigerian navy is becoming very deadly force. i posted new coming missile vessels and anti-submarine force of aircraft newly ordered, 3 attack submarines to be purchased in about 5 years....too many photos and i got banned by nairaland for overwhelming their server with spam-like heavy images in one single post. i will break it down to 3 posts and re-try to post when i am un-banned by monday.

there is a race for sea power among algeria, nigeria, south africa, eqypt.

@Agaugust

Fighter Pilot: We have the remote controlled machine guns.

nigeria is testing surface to surface and surface to air missiles with range 120km achieved this year, it was 70km in 2012.

i see no african country beating nigeria in war, except an egyptian all out full scale assault in german blitzkrieg style of 'lightning strike/war'. nigeria has many modular weapons that get transformed into multiple roles if there is a chance to hold a powerful enemy at frontline long enough to re-modularize nigerian military hardware to face the specific enemy threat..e.g a massive egyptian armoured force and nigerian APC force of about 350 modulars re-equipped for anti-armour counter attack.

Fighter Pilot: This is what china has done to us with their devious contracts;

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2009/01/08/China-starts-buying-South-African-arms/UPI-74661231431561/

russuian and americans too copy each other. Mig 25 and F-15 look alike. being smart in not a crime. nigeria too copies china. some south african military vehicles look like american hummer jeeps.

https://www.yeniresim.com/data/media/19/www.yeniresim.com_-_Hummer_Jeep_Resimleri.jpg

Fighter Pilot: Any army that declares to challenge us must be prepared to face robots or our remote controlled weapons before they face the actual combatants. Our military technology has advanced so fast.

nigeria has similar hardware, we deployed land based robots in mali war, fully built in nigeria, all are nigerian made unmanned surface vehicles. the top african militaries are arming up seriously, nobody wants to a victim like congo DRC, a big football that smaller nations kick around.

weblikn source : http://allafrica.com/stories/201304170090.html

Agaugust

Fighter Pilot: You are going far, example is there in Nigeria where coups proved successful.

how does it relate to the topic ? i dont get the flow.

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african military top brass
https://www.newzimbabwe.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/service-chiefs-trade-fair.jpg

Fighter Pilot: Mr America I would have shown you what do I know about military, but since you have shown your ignorance just from the onset, I then decided not even to engage you any further because I have already seen that there is nothing to gain from you. Any force is not judged form its history. There's always first time for everything, first time for defeat and first time for victory.

Any force that would be intimidated by Nigeria based on the ideology that they have never lost a war (source needed), is surely supposed to be ashamed of themselves. Our force cannot be reduced to the back seats like biafran combatants. Any country that is involved in civil wars is said to defeat one of their own. It is like a fight between two brothers at home who later go to the street and claim that they can defeat everybody.

civilians have turned into rebel warlords and defeated regular military generals in combat. war history proves it.

nothing so far has shown that you know war generally more than i do. except the specific military duty you are trained for, but come to war in general terms, Augustine is hard to defeat.

all your south african soldiers here were doing military rankings based on Denel website weapons photograghs versus other african countries.

i was the only one that posted 7 factors required to rank countries' military power on page 23 of this thread and that was 5 months ago. you just posted yours on page 263 this weeek, did i copy you ? there is nothing special in your parameters/factors compared to my own...and i am a civilian, you are a soldier with military Bachelors degree.

whats the difference ? i invite all nairalanders on this forum to judge both of us below in a honest way.

@Fighter Pilot in red colour
@Agaugust in blue colour

Any country's military power is judged in accordance with the following factors;

1. Firepower which is the total number of one country hardware inventory;
2. Modernisation of their weapons, eg, Roland SAM is too old to be used to stop the offensive of the. new generations fighter jets;

(1) current equipment in service and combat ready or in safe storage (ukraine's air force 100 jets active, 200 jets in safe storage)


3. Military science and technology of one country;
4. Economic power of one country, that is, any country must have the financial muscle and means to procure arms to avoid fighting with clubs and knobkerries;

(7) ability of the military to transform rapidly and increase its battle field potency within the first few weeks of war (ukraine's weapons in safe storage)


5. The military strength of one country depending on the level of literacy of their militants, eg, half a million of illiterate soldiers can easily be defeated by just only 80 000 educated soldiers. Military research have shown that educated soldiers execute commands better than soldiers with limited cognitive abilities; and
6. Credibility of military academy of one country. In the case of SA and US are run by reputable civilian universities as faculty of military sciences.


(2) number of combat men in service and trained reservists (north korean army deterrent to the west based on 1950 koeran war of numbers)
(3) ability of the men to use their equipment to maximum battlefield effectiveness (ethiopian air force dog fight pilots)

(4) calibre and quality of officers from lieutenant colonel to 5 star general (israeli army officers in war tactics)
(5) previous and recent combat exploits of the forces (israeli military history 1967 to 2013)

(6) historic fighting morale of the soldiers (gurkha army originating of asian nepal nation now in the british army)

these critical factors of power include but not limited to the above.

some other two factors commonly use by the untrained, are not good enough to judge miltary power, they are :

military budget:
its not an easy factor to use because of fraud by corrupt governments like angola and zimbabwe who steal billions of dollars in the name of defense spending, it is common in africa. also some spend more of recurrent expenditure and not capital expenditure due to soldiers huge salaries or consumption of battlefield ordinance and munitions during an ongoing war like sudan.

military weapons manufactured domestically:
its not also a good factor to judge. why south africa manufactures the rooivak helicopter gunship but has just less than 15 of the aircraft in its own air force, compare that to egypt which does not manufacture helicopter gunships but has 150 aircraft in its air force (including american made apache helicopters) ten times that of south africa which boasts of manufacturing. so in an helicopter combat who will win ? egypt or south africa ? what you produce does not fight a war for you unless you buy it and equip your military with it.


dear readers, we invite you to judge the two analyses above and make a honest comment. thank you.

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sithwell: Augustine, simulating war is like simulating a soccer game or a stock trading session. Useful to a certain degree, but useless to a large degree.

Emotions and the imperfect discretion that is used by humans can never be simulated. Simulation assumes perfect decision making and the lack of emotion. All untrue. As an accountant with an MBA and experience in military research, you should know not to place so much emphasis on simulations.

simulation is the only human way to try predict outcome of a war. the only other way is to consult spiritual herbalist or oracles and prophets

soldiers are not very emotional when war comes. they are hardened and think like programmed robots based on orders/command received for operations/enemy engagement. soldiers are a different breed of human beings.

i believe 90% of military men cannot simulate a war that involves all air, land, and sea combat operations at the same time, you need to have a balance knowledge of all the 3 types of armed forces, army, navy, airforce equipment and deployment, as well as terrain the expected of war zone.

war simulation helps test effectiveness of national defence plans or country's contingency war plan, and is necessary to provide a guided line of action against enemy's sudden aggression to avoid being overrun by enemy forces trying to gain a quick and decisive victory in a 'lightning strike/war' called Blitzkrieg in world war II tactics of germany's forces.

Before falkland war invasion by argentina, britain had no dfence plan for the falkland islands because the british believed they as super power cannot win a war about 10,000km away against a medium power Argentina.

when argentina attacked, the british high command immediately made a contingency war plan and war simulation before the task force sailed to argentina/falkland island for war, and they won.

simulation does not tell you who will win in reality, but it does tell you what the enemy would likely do and how you will respond to each manoeuvre. its not like a football game, it involves weapons with technical specifications that can be accurately calculated.

war simulation also helps nations avoid going to war against an enemy that will defeat them. you can start peace negotiations instead of going to war and getting humiliated in defeat.

top military officers of USA and NATO are already doing one now for war in Syria.

http://news.yahoo.com/commander-contingency-plans-under-way-syria-155448430--politics.html

@Agaugust

Fighter Pilot: You are disappointing me. You are letting the standard of America go down. People with MBA do not reason the way you do. BTW why did they categorise your Accounting under Bachelor of Sciences and not Bachelor of commerce/Accountancy?

nigerian BSc in accounting, american MBA. countries differ in categorization of degrees awarded.
@Agaugust

Fighter Pilot: I am not going to waste my energy discussing military and war history with amateurs ever again.

you run away from me a civilian @Agaugust since you came to this forum, no technical stuff from you air force officer. we have NOT seen any of your so called expertise displayed here, i think you are a non-combatant soldier...and very afraid.

hi everyone, i posted some nigeria navy new weapons photos with heavy size kilobytes and i got banned for posting heavy images above kilobyte size limit on nairaland. i will try again today or monday.
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