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AreaFada2:
What we now call Benin, Ife/Yoruba and Igbo civilisations most likely first grew from Benue/Niger area. That is much more likely. The similarities between people/languages Benue/Niger confluence axis with Yoruba on one hand and Igbo on the other still shows it. Nobody came from no India, Babylon, Egypt, Iraq, Israel or Viet Kong.

Core Benin, without direct contiguity with Benue/Niger may have reduced similarities between Benin and Benue/Niger languages. Not to say that there are none at all or that there wasn't any movement back and forth. The excavation of "Orun Oba Ado" site in Ife that yielded nothing related to Benin at all is quite telling.

fman:
You are not even sure of what you copied!!!!
You just carry am paste!!
Oloribruku...

RedboneSmith:
😂😂😂

Go ahead and display your mechanic behaviour. What I wrote to you was not an insult. The difference between what your friend wrote and what Ryder wrote is as clear as day, especially with regard to inherent plausibility of the Yoruba-descent claim. If you cannot see that, your literacy in the English language is very questionable. That's not an insult; that's an observation.

And about IQ levels, not to brag, but there are perhaps only one or two people on this entire thread that are on the same IQ levels with me. The rest of you are dumber than a sack of potatoes.

RedboneSmith:
If it buttressed his point to you, then you are a functional illiterate.

RedboneSmith:
Wow. Sir, what mischief is this? Why are you re-writing the words of the late A. F. C. Ryder? This intellectual dishonesty is not necessary na.

You took the words that the late historian wrote in his chapter "Benin Kingdom in the book Groundwork of Nigerian History and you mangled it to say the opposite of what the historian wrote.

Ryder did not write that Benjn sending for an alien (Yoruba) ruler was inherently implausible. These are Ryder's exact words: "...we seem to tread on firmer ground when we come to the traditions which recount in some detail how a number of Benin chiefs, rather than accept one of their own number as an hereditary ruler, sought a sovereign from the Yoruba dynasty ruling in Ife. There is nothing inherently implausible in this story". (page 110)

Yes, Ryder did say that next to nothing was know about the Yoruba at that early date, but a full quote illustrates that he was heading to the conclusion that your mangled quote portrays. Ryder's words in full on page 112 of the same book:" What innovations the dynasty may have brought from its place of origin we cannot determine because next to nothing is known about the Yoruba peoples themselves at this early date. The essential innovation was presumably the monarchy itself: all the features that made the Benin kingship distinctive, and very different from the corresponding institutions in Yorubaland, seem to have emerged in later years when the dynasty must have become absorbed in Edo environment."

There is no doubt that Professor Ryder was a proponent of the "Out of Yorubaland" theory as regards the current Benin dynasty. There is nothing wrong with you holding a different opinion from this. But to wilfully distort a scholar's words is a hell of a desperate move. Not cool, bro.

davidnazee:
There is nothing like Ogie of Urhonigbe or Ogie of Udo, and these places their original tribal name/title for king is Oba but their rulers are not kings. Okaevbo is not a king, Iyase is not a king, enogies are not kings. There is only one King (Oba) for all of Bini people and he sitting at the capital. All other district rulers like Okaevbo, Iyase, enogies are all under the King (Oba).

BannedUser:
Kudiwave is useless

samuk:
It's even more pathetic considering the fact that a lot of work have been done by Benin people on this forum over years. He is very adamant and ready to invent stories and assumptions to support his position. I don't understand why anyone would want to undermine over 600 years of his people's history.

TAO11:
I love how you’ve been relegated to the pit of denying yourself clownishly. 🤣 🤡

Listen Samuel, you’ve made a self-consoling claim here in relation to my past engagements with you.

You’ve now been asked to simply provide just one link from same Nairaland to back up your consolation.

See how you’re parading naked, going in circles rather than help yourself with links to where you performed this stunt you’re claiming/wishing you performed.😅

I’ve apparently battered your mental health, but I pray it’s not beyond recovery. 😢 I didn’t mean to.

Anyway, help yourself with the Nairaland links where I couldn’t stand up to your challenge — just one link.

In the meantime, while I’m waiting, virtually everyone active in the Nairaland culture section in the last 3 – 4 years have come to realize that your Ọmọnọbas are of Ifẹ-Yoruba patrilineal ancestry, roots & origin.

Some of these active readers (including Igbos & Binis) have expressed their conviction of this historical fact.

Such is life. Rest. Peace ✌🏾

samuk:
The very fact that a story doesn't make sense to you doesn't give you right to invent your own story to fill in the suppose missing gap.

Below is the summary of an extensive work done on Benin history by Ryder. What Ryder is saying is that the current Benin/Ife connection doesn't agree with what the Europeans recorded about Benin history from the 1400s or 15th century.

UGBE634:
I am up for truth and not partisan argument,why is the epicenter of the Edo Civilization using Oba instead of Ogie

If there is anything we can seem to take home is the fact that the Oba seem to be more western than anything else

The Oba title more than not seem intuitively not an Indigenous title, it is not what I can stomach, it is not what I have been able to digest.

To me there seem to have been a launch in attack and maybe the aborigines in Benin city were conquered and the Oba stool and title situated. That invitation does not really make sense to me, there is a missing link in history that is yet not properly explained

It would seem that the people migrated to the Usen area and an attack was launched at the centre to defeat those in charge and certainly take over power. That seem to account for the warlike nature of the ruling dynasty

UGBE634:
how do you explain the title Oba, why does it seem to be in consonance with what they have in yorubaland. it seems to be what they can explain clearly. Why is it that it is the Usen people that has claimed relationship with the Oba that seem to have something similar, "Oba-Oluogbe"

pinkylovely:
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AreaFada2:
Auto, why are you wicked like this na? Such vawulence early momo like this?

The story never end na. This na just the first version. Lost hunter episode will follow soon. ;

AreaFada2:
Samuk, Automaticmotors and UGBE634

We should not let this thread degenerate.

We can all accept that on history, as in anything in life, our perspectives and agendas may differ.

However, one important thing about Benin/Edo over the centuries is that we have been truly liberal and accepted diversity as a way of life. People mistake strong cultural values for conservatism but not necessarily so.

Many people became Edo by marriage, residence, acculturation, departure from Benin and return of descendants decades later, etc. Not only just by ancestry.

As an Empire and most important City in the South-Eastern part of West Africa (at least by about 1440) before the rise of Old Oyo in the 1680-90s, Benin had to welcome and assimilate people. Rome did same, especially during the reign of Julius Caesar with so many Gallic senators (and their families/followers) brought into the Roman Capitol. Every truly progressive empire did. The late surgeon and historian Dr E. Aisien documented the importance of Benin City at that time.

I am Edo because of this cultural diversity. I began commenting on history/culture threads on NL to be a bridge between Edo and Yoruba perspectives but I was roundly insulted by our SW people for trying to give a more subjective perspective instead of a fixed tribal narrative. Because I truly believe that whether Benin gained from Yoruba or Yoruba gained from Benin in terms monarchy or culture, it shouldn't matter. Only the TRUTH should really matter.

I once volunteered to pay for DNA tests and analysis to establish the link or lack of. So having dual heritage doesn't imply partiality. In fact, it makes one more impartial. A lot of people are mixed but if family history is not well known (e.g. through traceable prominent lineage) most will not know their real heritage.

Moderation would not be a bad thing since none of us can be sure of the exact truth.

One thing I have seen over the past few decades is the rise of ethnic nationalism. It does not leave room for objectivity.

As for Usen, I said in a previous post that I would prefer not to delve into it. Because the uncompleted work once commissioned provided a different insight from the ones/versions now being debated. It was not completed so I won't say more on it.

We have been doing our bit to uncover history both on Edo and Yoruba side. And promoting culture through art. Not everything we can disclose.

Thebadpolitican:
If you're an edo man then you must share something with the yorubas for you to be speaking as one of their slaves....

I refuse to belive you are a full blooded edo man

Prove me and swear you're full blooded benin man and you have no personal intentions towards the glorification of your yoruba brothers

samuk:
1. Who collected the story in Usen In 1939? And who gave the account?

2. Did you seen the thread on Asaba. Incase you didn’t, it started by someone claiming that a tradition was collected in Asaba dating back to early 1911 stating that early Asaba people were Igbo/Ibo, I presented an older account that dates back to 1865 written by Ajayi Crowder who stated that as of 1865 the original Asabans migrated from Benin.

You keep making the same mistake that make people suspect you as not being Edo. You pick and choose which myth or lie you believe, what make an Usen account of the same fallacy more authentic than that of the palace?

You completely ignored the fact that no one mentioned this so called aspect of Benin history for over 400 years of documentations. You and few others operate as if Benin history began in 1939.

The earliest account of Oduduwa is almost 100 years older than 1939 and it started as a myth.

If the Oduduwa story is correct, it would have been almost 800 years old by 1939. So you are saying Usen people remember 800 years unwritten history of Oduduwa that the yoruba themselves couldn't remember.

Did you seen how the tradition that traces Asabans to Benin change between 1865 and early 1900s. A period of less than 50 years. You somehow think human memory can go back as far as 800 years to recount unwritten events. People think you have issues with or against the palace or you are anti Benin or have an agenda but I will like to believe that you are not very well informed.

Edo in this forum have done so much is the past few years to separate fairytales and fabrications from our authentic history.

Sultan Bello was probably one of the first to write about yoruba history around 1820s and by 1826 the first Europeans visited the Alaafin and collected the traditions of the yoruba people. Oduduwa is not mentioned in both early accounts

If you want to be taken seriously, you will have to produce evidence dating back to 1896 that linked Benin with Oduduwa. Benin kingdom was destroyed in 1897. So I am not asking too much.

Life is a continuous learning process. We should be able to change our positions in the face of new facts otherwise we are not better than religious bigot and fanatics. Most of us believe most of the fairytales in Benin history started after the fall of Benin in 1897. If you have a contrary evidence produce it or continue to enjoy your fairytales.

You seem to have a fixed unmovable position otherwise it should have bothered you that no Oba of Benin, no Benin Prince and Princesses had a yoruba name throughout Benin history till 1897.

Anybody can write any nonsense today and future UGBE634 will be quoting and referencing it as the truth.

duro4chang:
Get out of my sight. Empty head.

duro4chang:
Will you get out of my thread?

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Efewestern:
Perhaps you should educate me.

Why aren't there any trace of Oba in other edoid languages? Why is Ogie more prominent in almost all edoid languages but not Oba? In what way is Oba edoid?

You should also note that all sub-edoid group one way or the other retained some archaic edoid words but I haven't seen one making use of Oba.

gregyboy:
You don start again with your lies


The word oba has been used by the European since 1400 ad to address the Benin monarchy


And yorubas started using it to address their king after 1930


You just came out of oblivion and your first comment came with tears and lies

gregyboy:
Everyone is from a royal house in benin no family you won't visit that was a never in the royal lineage now or before now

gregyboy:
You're edo and so what...