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Puzzling eh...

After progress in the diagnosis of mental illnesses(I'm looking at you schizophrenia) and epilepsy, the number of 'prophets' fell before I could say 419......

For instance, Prophet Muhammad went into a cave to meditate, he came out claiming to see an angel. Apparently, he either starved himself enough to hallucinate or suffered from prisoner's light among a variety of stress-induced mental illnesses he could have suffered.....or blatant lie.

Prophets are just imaginative bunch of criminals.

Purist: @Avicenna:

Sorry to bother you, but I'm curious: have you been fasting this Ramadan period? If yes, how have you managed to keep up so far? If no, how have you managed to avoid detection from your Muslim brothers?

Yes, I have been fasting when I'm home. Praying(salat) regularly with them. This does not mean anything.
You must understand, I need to keep up the act for now. It is risky not doing so.
Days when I'm in my place, no fasting at all. I never fast when I'm alone. I see no reason to starve myself.
One more thing,if I decide not to fast when I'm home, no one complains but the youngest of my brothers fast. People use this against you as some form of insults. I don't intend to get into an argument with such fellows , so I fast with little snacks when no one is looking

Mr_Anony: I'll ask you a similar question:

"Does your mother know that you are stupi[i]d[/i]?"

If you say yes, then you are stupi[i]d[/i] and your mother knows it
If you say no, you are still stupi[i]d[/i] and your mother is too stupi[i]d[/i] recognize it
If you say you don't know, then you are too stupi[i]d[/i] to even understand the question
If you protest that the question is wrong or give an indirect answer, then you are an "artful dodger"
If you refuse to answer, then I have "debunked" you.

Nairaland just keep getting nastier.
Gotta steel myself really.

Kay 17: I'm so sorry, I meant to say NOT empirical.

He knew that. It was a glaring typo. They never let a chance to insult escape them.
That's why I attacked on his JAMB/GCE mistake.
Mistakes, obvious mistakes.

Uyi Iredia: Of course, you M
must cop out by saying that but there should be an evolutionary imperative to survival fitness under varied environmental factors and simplicity of body structure. Whither all the complexity ?

What load of crap.
I know exactly what causes aging.
Lifespan is different from aging.
Anyone that tells you he or she knows the mechanism completely determining lifespan is merely speculating. Little information comes out of there.
Compare our lifespan with most others, you come out with small difference.......
We ARE NOT SPECIAL.

Uyi Iredia: Nonsense ! How can purpose arise from something that has no purpose; because it is clear that humans are purposeful. Purpose can only arise where there was a previous purpose because purpose itself is not a physical thing that can be tied to brains. Otherwise, the argument would be made that animals like lions and chimpanzees reminisce on the concept of purpose. Note that purpose is an abstract quality and it is simply stupid to say our genes gave us purpose especially when those genes are patently physical and not abstract as the concept of purpose. I generally find such explanations unacceptable because they are a subtle way of beggging the question of purpose seen in human existence. The ID argument best explains the presence of purpose.

You do not find the explanations acceptable. That's your opinion.
Keep looking for purpose where there's none.
I laffed at genes controlling purpose. Wherever you got that.

If you can't figure how giraffe got it long necks given it lived in the savannah, I can't help you. I really wanted to add this in my other post(giraffe) but I gave you benefit of the doubt. My mistake.

Again, evolution has no direction except randomness. Do not try to project your subjective purpose on to it.
Why do we have lizards remain small and elephant are big is frankly a silly question. If you understand what you are talking about that is.
BTW, random luck gave elephants the gene controlling their body size. Read properly.

And I told you some time ago, evolution is caused by a interplay of factors. Do you suffer from amnesia or something?

Lifespan. I do not know the mechanism behind it. I strongly believe gerontology will reveal plenty. I see no evolutionary imperative for a 500year lifespan anyway.

After going thru your questions, I finally give up. Those questions can be answered by the most basic understanding of evolution.
Man, I need to start checking all of em phd holders in my school. Gawd knows what I will find

davidylan: What an incoherent dunce.
I scored an A1 in biology in JAMB in SS2, a full yr before WAEC.
I started reading my mom's internal medicine textbooks by the time i was 8 so what?

So because you read "all your mom's nursing books" you think you are now qualified to talk about evolution? Being the best in biology in ur school means what? That all the others were dunces unable to pass an exam?

JAMB dey giv A1 nw? I see.
Shey we dey make mouth ni abi?
Well I scored A1* in molecular biology, JAMB UME, in JSS1, full 6years before my cambridge A-levels

davidylan: I think the only point you truly intended to convey is the personal insult and nothing else. Because i see nowhere that you address the question/subject of this thread. If i get you correctly, influences such as adaptation to environment is a factor in determining longevity? Now where on earth did you get such harebrained nonsense?

Let me ask AGAIN... what is the evolutionary advantage of the elephant having a longer lifespan than the ant? Please explain logically rather than hiding behind veiled and unveiled insults.

Secondly, dying quickly and procreating quicker is an excellent adaptation? For what species? Does that mean animals like the blue whale are not yet perfectly adapted to their environment?

Thirdly, let me say this real quick... christian scientists are not necessarily lazy and many of them are actually far more brilliant intellectually than the half-witted dummies that have been trolling here lately. Yes i do have a phd... many of you barely have a bachelors... so much for your "logic".

Let me try again. It is funny explaining evolution to a 'molecular biologist'.

The most important factor here is overcrowding. Large animals (elephant and whales) have a huge habitat. They can afford to gain a large body the first time and survive with it. They can also easily acquire the energy required to maintain that size. (Elephants-herbivores). Smaller animals have smaller habitats.(Ants). Overcrowding will occur when too many grow too large in too little space. That's their adaptation
Now, you may ask why other marine animals are not as big as the whale. Same reason we randomly evolve a intelligence gene, same way they evolve a gene for their size.

Truth be told, I don't know about the dinosaurs and their extremely huge size by today's standards but gravity also played a role.

I know how hard it is to get a Phd. But frankly, you are disgrace to phd holders I know. I said it!

Most christians scientists you keep hammering accepts evolution but with their own modification to support creationism.

'Micro evolution do not become macro evolution'. Chai, what a disgrace.

As an ex-muslim, it is suicidal to debate Islam with even the most liberal of muslims in real life. You may think you won with the shouting and directionless argument but you did not. You v imperiled yourself.

The hardcore will respond with immediate,mindless violence. This is present EVERYWHERE.

The liberal will try to debate you using the old argument and the plain stupid ones. But they will carry such a grudge against you eh....... Watching, you never know when they will strike you with misfortune.

Trust me , I KNOW. Done all that.

Not to generalise, there are good muslims. Good as in they ignore the violent part of Islam. Intellectual muslims who uses the same argument as the christians and for the believers, use the 'miracles' of the quran.

It is especially hard to argue a muslim. The arabic language is used for indoctrination , making it hard to form your own opinions. This is why most muslims are content with their religion. They don't know better. Those that know, leave. Others, may agree with the 'morality' in Islam and stay on.

I intend to reduce all the arabic terminologies to normal english that can easily be grasped by most people. It is harder than I thought. Seriously. Cos most arguments tend to be reduced to an exchange of arabic terms. Onlookers get bored. And you just have to give up.
Go thru the Islamic section to see what I'm talking about.

@macdaddy
You ever notice how their morality are different to yours? Even the ones taken for granted everywhere?
You need to see a islamic sermon by a charismatic Imam. The way they gloss over those things or completely ignore them will amaze you. I assure it.

davidylan: A "good explanation" really?

With regard to your last line... so you point is that lifespan is determined by lifestyle? I.e. sedentary, low metabolizing animals have a much longer lifespan that humans right? In that case wouldnt we expect the lifespan of a sloth to be longer than that of elephants or at least similar to that of a galapagos tortoise?

You really should think before posting.

This is d.a.f.t really.

There are factorS influencing evolution. Interplay of such factors determine survival.

Different animals have different adaptations to their environment. Some excellent enough to give them longevity to procreate. Some not so excellent. But they pass on the gene.

My notion of excellent is subjective. In the animal kingdom ! Dying quickly but procreating even quicker can be the most excellent adaptation.

GOD created them that way. Lazy idiot. So much for phd. In science. I laff in fraudulent degrees.

wiegraf: And I'd just like to add, despite the fact that many don't like to hear it, evolution has no purpose. It isn't purposely looking to make you the perfect organism. This is more or else chance. So even if a human lifespan where somehow flawed, it would just mean we haven't been lucky with getting optimal genes. And indeed, we haven't in many ways. The human design isn't exactly flawless you know?

They miss this all the time. No grand discernible purpose or direction.
Our genes gave us intelligence. Salamander gene gave it regeneration. They assume we must have everything. When controversial research is being conducted to determine the workings of such mechanisms, they hinder such progress on the basis of religion.

plaetton: First and foremost, evolutionists,which includes almost the entire members of the scientific community as well as the majority of the civilised world, except ofcourse, dark Africa and the US bible belt,have never made any claims whatsoever that they have a complete mastery of all mysteries of existence.
Scientific rationalism operates from the position of unknowing and gradually progresses in knowledge. Conclusions are not reached before observation, experimentation and analysis. That is for religious people.





Therefore, there is no shame or dishonour in not knowing because science does not have any omnipotent deity to protect.

@op:

Human lifespan is short relative to what?
Infact, human lifespan is very long compared to those of other species in this planet. So I dont really know where you get the notion that human lifespan is too short. Too short for what?
If an average human was to live 200yrs and uses the better part of that in breeding offsprings, do you know the havoc it could have on the eco-system?Such would directly threaten the very survival of the species,because a species cannot survive without a robust and dynamic ecological system.

Evolution ensures that the life span of any species, including humans, has to corrolate with the species ecological environment.

Think about it this way,species with short lifespans have a greater chance of survival than species with extremely long life spans. The reason is that since evolution is a trail and error mechanism, errors in the general gene pool have to die off quickly so that newer configuration of genes can take center stage to test its survivability.

A trial and error mechanism like evolution needs a rapid turnover of [b]biological prototypes [/b]to maintain the integrity of the general gene. pool.

You see, unlike religion of old, today we do not need to run to any holy scripture to learn simple things.
Aging is no mystery.
It has to do with cell division. As times goes by, cells divide at much slower rates and therefore are slower in repairing and replacing old and worn organ tissues.
When tissues are not rapidly replaced,organs can no longer maintain their structural and functional integrity. This leads to disease and eventually death.

This is a good explanation really. What most religionists miss is that even if this turns out to be incorrect(there's always the possibility), the explanation will entail a natural cause. That's how it has always worked.

I expect some quack to compare a nearly sedentary, low metabolizing animal's life span to that of energy-intensive human life. And ask 'why?'
Why indeed.

plaetton: You are not alone Mr Anony, Imaginary things always solves puzzles for everyone. Thats why they are imaginary in the first place.
lol.

Take the test.

wiegraf: Status quo? You mean the average INTJs disposition? If so, godless dictator

www.intjforum.com/showthread.php?t=41503

I also like these lists, it shows how the average everday people view us I suppose

www.similarminds.com/jung/intj.html



Take solace in the fact that 33% of mensa, a high iq society, is INTJ despite the fact that at best INTJs make up 2-3% of the general public

I was emphasizing status with the oooo.

But

GODLESS 'DICTATOR'

Man, what the hell?

Anyway, I may really like power and money and comfort and power and money and influence and........

INTJ
Atheist.
I don't know about status oo.

I think those 'dogma' are correct.
For instance,
All biological inheritance is material, carried in
the genetic material, DNA, and in other material
structures.
If you have any verifiable evidence contradicting the above, then by all means, it will be modified or discarded.
Very dog-ma-tic, I suppose.

One more thing
I will like my privacy to remain private.

wiegraf: What makes you think the average atheist is interested in converting people?

Abi oooo
It requires certain kind of people to see reason.
Or arguments like, why is there a name for God? My father saw becomes I SEE. All natural phenomenon have order and are therefore created. Sheesh
If you don't know how something works, don't chalk up to supernaturalism.

No need.

Logicbwoy: Lol....see this confused cousin f4cker. Tell me, have you been eyeing your uncle's daughter?

You see, logicboy, creeeppppy..... Cousin of all people for goodness sake. And no eyelid will be batted.

I'm expecting ' darwin married his cousin'.

Logicbwoy: Who is creepy? Vedaxcool or lagosshia?

Are you being sarcastic?
BOTH........ But vedaxcool just give me the creepies.

Sorry derailing your thread.
I think we can conclude romance is overrated.

Logicbwoy: Wow, some serious conspiracy you got there. Are you sure that you're no LagosShia's sunni doppelganger?

Check my first post on the guy. Very creepy guy.

Maybe its Naija conditioning, I don't really like being early. I will rather be late to events or classes. I just make sure a seat have been reserved.

Yield: You're an INTJ, huh? J does not mean judgemental, far from it. I'm a J too and a very strong one, although I'm not an INTJ. J means we like getting things done, we're task-oriented - sometimes a bit too much that we end up missing other important details - because we're so focused on what we're doing. We like closure, make quick decisions, we're very neat (hate mess), like order and doing things in an orderly manner, like planning ahead of time, hate being late. We like structure. I could go on.

Hahaha
One did not describe me ooo. the very neat thing. I'm neat but not VERY neat.
Maybe its just me acting up again. Creepy neatness have been removed from me since. I dislike mess a lot tho.

wiegraf: I love robots, and how we view being romantic: actions speak louder than words. Get that s*6t out here. /troll. @avi read up an intp description and see if it fits more. I'll add a link of the more popular (I think) one. But yeah, most regulars on a forum would be I (goes without saying, Es are out there interacting face to face, bear in mind this is not the same thing as being shy at all, it's about what is more energizing to you). Most critics of religion would be NT, as well as many of the more intelligent (or more logical, actually more accurate to say mathematical/logical intelligence, we all should know there's more than one type of intelligence) religious debaters. NFs would also know what they are talking about, but are more likely be religious and avoid debating just for sport. Explaining this bit would take too much time.

Then the J/P, yeah I don't get much J from your posts but it's certainly possible. Do you constantly question/doubt just about everything (read the same article a gzillion times, go through just about every detail over and over). Are you satisfied with just knowing, or do you need outside validation of some sort? A finished product (not just a prototype). Do you have problems finishing projects once you've figured all the lovely theoritical bits?
You could still be a P even if you don't follow typical P - like behavior, but it's all so long to explain. One trait that seems peculiar to INTPs is as kids, say they are taking a walk on a tiled floor, patterns will show up somewhere, and they would play little games with themselves (like avoid x-color, use only the third tile in so-so sequence). It doesn't have to be tiles of course, some have gone as far as synchronizing traffic lights and the flow of ppl etc. Basically, patterns which are not so obviously physical in nature (well that's not the correct way to put it, but you should get the point). If many of these don't relate then you really are J, just slightly atypical. And yup, INTx is definitely over-represented in the asperger's community (not schizo!). Bear in mind, just like shy != introvert, aspie is most certainly not INTx, ostensibly they might seem similar but they are very clearly diffrent. The fact is though, a lot of aspies are INTx . I love this topic

Hahaha
You remind me of my jumping around on terrazo floors. Trying to take 3 steps at a time and then 2 and ....... Innocent times.

I don't really pore over details. Once I get it, I leave it. A big problem for me tho. I get it , I get it and then I forget. I hate it.

I don't need validation most of the time. But I'm human. Validation is required once in a while.

Anyway, thanks. I will read up on them.

fellis: Don't flatter yourself.

Hahahahahaha
Don't mind me. I was addressing logicboy.
We will be tackling soon.

vedaxcool: lol! the fear of davidylan must really effectively hamper u ability to even understand the context of posts this was what felis wrote:

12. fellis: Quote Post

Avicenna: I'd like to apologize for not doing enough on this religion in this section. It will be very tedious for me right nw.

You atheists can be so annoyingly full of yourselves.
Mister I-am-very-intelligent-and-can-easily-expose-the-foolishness-of-religious-people. No one wants you here, continue sticking to whatever is keeping you busy.

I dey laugh, i am sorry if posting the tread made you relive your horrible experience with david! turn on the lights if you are too scared to sleep . . . hehehe

Nairaland don teach me why anonymous forum is anonymous. To you, anyone that can insult the most is the winner.
Well, I'm no longer the polite person. Insult me, I insult triple.

Lame Idi.ot

vedaxcool: https://www.nairaland.com/914444/abandoned-religion-god-today-im/31#10740154

he literally argued on what he did not understand!

Bring them here. The quotes.
Particle physics. I get the overall principles. Trying to pigeonhole into details is stpid given that I'm not a physicist.
Evolution. Hehe. You should read the thread.