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lagerwhenindoubt: I grow weary of this discourse and I wish to stop this perambulator in its petulant journey, it is like a poker game where all the players hold all 4 Aces but won't show their hand soooo; let us play a little, perhaps, I hold a joker (4 even )

Earlier on, I refused to be serious with this thread because the question reads like a dishonest Accountant yes, GOD's Nature (Authoritative Source) finally emerges after much mental cattle prodding It is really a Fly in the Ointment for Atheists

Permit me to present the End-Game from this Theist's perspective which is.. Atheists cannot Rationally defend being Moral since God is the source of Morality

I agree that It is possible to Define/re-define and Experience Morality without an Authoritative Source
Since "we" presume to know what cards you hold, let me deal mine.

Can humans discover on their own what is Right and Wrong? A simple Yes or No will suffice, but if you wish to lace it on with Scripture, be my guest

Pastor Kun: At the end of the day, we are all theist even though some people choose to live in denial primarily becos of their disdain for religion.

mkmyers45: Is it also logical to assume that God is likely to exist but has not been observed yet....?

lagerwhenindoubt: Can we please agree to one day (in earnest) recap all themes discussed so they are not continually recycled and re-thrashed year after year. with the same conclusions drawn from either sides of the participants

mkmyers45: My Friend....

I will like to hear your own thoughts...

Cheers

Mr_Anony: That was not part of the question but my answer is God.
by the way, do you think there must be an authoritative source for morality?
If yes, what is it? If no, how so?

Mr_Anony: Oh my God! This is so funny! It's happening all over again!

Mymyers45 asks if morality is truly possible without an authoritative force,
Zodiac creates a strawman by deciding that he knows what mkmyers45 is asking better than that mkmyers45 himself.
From then on, everyone throws in their biases and the real question is ignored.

Una too much! obfuscation-a-plenty!

@mkmyers45. My answer is that: There cannot be a morality without an authoritative source.

frosbel: Atheism is by definition a no God existence, but there still resides within these ingrates that gift of conscience and awareness of right or wrong , therefore it is not unusual to see some of these creatures exhibit some flashes of goodness from time to time.

However , when a state is founded on atheist ideologies like Maoism and Stalinism, what we have is a pretty much 'lawless' society where human life is devalued and morality becomes a relative term.

Just look at Russia and the effect of decades of atheism, Vodka addiction, violence, the most horrendous kind of racism and gross intolerance for the ideas for a democratic society.


Atheists without Christ are a lost cause and of all men to be the most pitied.

Only Christ can deliver them from their almost seemingly impenetrable blindness.

This is harsh but true.

frosbel: How ironic !

frosbel: Again , shameless illogical hypocrisy !!!

ea7: Try and divorce yourself from the situation, approach your faith as a disinterested individual with no vested interest in its falsity or truth.

fellis: I'll see if I can get it free online, but not now cos I'm browsing on someone else's laptop for now, when I get mine back from the repairer's that's when I'll be able to do all the downloading I want.

Oh no I didn't ignore them. I didn't think you were serious.
So you said;

Yes you're correct, I am afraid of the afterlife but that isn't the only reason I'm still theist. Reading the Qur'an also played a big part. And lastly, most of the time, I get premonitions that are shockingly accurate so I believe that a spiritual realm does exist, even if we cannot proove or explain it.


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fellis: [size=2pt]Lol, fcking weeaboos[/size]

I think I'll try to watch the stuff on TV instead, seems merely reading it online will not do justice to it.

logicboy01: Hajime no ippo is crazy! You have to see the fights. However, there was only one black boxer who was quite fake.

logicboy01: Hardcore ps3 gamer indeed! Nairaland is the only thing keeping me off my ps3 now.


As for pork, I hardly eat pork but it is sweet. It is just like beef but a slightly different taste.

fellis: I went through a few pages of hajime no ippo on mangareader.net and it looked ok. There was no suspicious anything about it, so why did you say 'no ulterior motives'?

logicboy01: Me too!

fellis: What if am actually some old alhaja? Can old alhaja not also watch Naruto?

Naruto is the one eating ramen noodles with pork not me, so that isn't going to stop me from watching it.

fellis: ^^^O
Ha ha. So you remember what I said in that thread? You seemed so sober back then, now your mouth don dey sharp anyhow.



Hm. I started taking interest in Naruto some time ago but am having second thoughts now, since it converts people to atheism.

logicboy01: What is with atheists and Naruto for christ sake?

Were we all converted by Naruto or something?

fellis: Ok. We believe that our religion serves as a means to determine how we will spend our eternity in the afterlife. It encompasses a set of rules or guidelines that the person following the religion must adhere to.
These rules give directives on how to live our lives and are meant to make the world a better/convenient place for us while we spend our time here and how well we follow these rules determines how well we spend our afterlife.
If you follow these rules, you are considered a Muslim. There is no way you will follow the tenets of Islam to the letter and still consider yourself an atheist, so if an atheist does everything I do as a Muslim, he is no longer an atheist. He is a Muslim.

I hope you understand that explanation.

fellis: There is no post to dig up.
Based on what you wrote before, I think this is the post you were referring to;

From this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/971666/muslim-love-christians-condemn-boko#11199066
^^^See, still blameless.
I take extreme care not to generalize when I write, you won't find any post of mine on Nairaland where I claimed that all atheists are immoral.
I have said some atheists are immoral, the way some theists and agnostics and deists can be immoral. But I won't claim that every single one of them is like that.
You probably read my post wrongly.
But whatever, it's all good.
I wish you well.

fellis: Where have I ever said that atheists are immoral? Show me the place.



I don't intend to argue with all of you by myself, I no get power

Secondly, I don't think the man is entirely innocent in the matter, but believe what you will.

fellis: I agree. I didn't expect an atheist to have this point of view . . . . .





See how all of them just gathered to attack me like hungry hawks that want to tear a prey apart. Lmao.
I don't want to argue this thing any further. Feel free to believe anything you like about this issue.

mkmyers45: Was he modest or didnt know the law? I think that the man shoulders some level of blame anyway..