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dorox: though i am a christian but i can relate with your frustration when you hear people saying things that are just not true. My advise to you since you are from an islamic society is to use a liberal interpretation of the koran and some common sense argument to make your point, that way nobody will suspect you of being an atheist even when they disagree with you and some will even find your message to be fresh and attractive due to its islamic packaging.

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In the UK;

Many people know what atheists are and so, they might not be that aggressive towards you and will engage in civil but heated arguments. There are intolerant bigots that will either ignore you or threaten you after you debunk/answer their questions on God/religion. 20% of people in the UK are atheists


In Nigeria;

You will get insulted if you are young or look young. You will also be threatened and become an outcast in an argument. The only way you can argue or debate with religious people in Nigeria is if you are very old. Nigerians respect power and age. They would be careful in insulting you

cyrexx: I dont bother to educate those who are not willing to be educated. I just enjoy my newfound freedom from religion without any need to force it on anybody's throat. Nigeria as a country still possess a strongly bigoted anti-atheism sentiments and any such public engagement will probably go wrong as they might see you as part of the cause of god's anger against mankind since their imaginary god hates unbelief and rational thinking that goes against the holy books. What i normally do is play along with them on public discussions like that and will not bring issues on my personal beliefs unless specifically asked. Sometimes i inject some questions and observations here and there that might make some religionists start evaluating their belief system, but i'm always careful not to disclose my atheism as they might "stone" me thinking they are helping their powerless god who needs men to fight for him. One day one day i believe our country will become as intellectually mature as the developed nations like Japan and England where religious sentiments will not cloud rational thinking.

Master_1: I get that a God dat doesn't give a f++k deserves subjects dt really also don't give a f++k.

I am officially an atheist!!!!! I get that a God dat doesn't give a f++k deserves subjects dt really also don't give a f++k.

I am officially an atheist!!!!!

Ptolomeus: Hello dear friend Avicenna:
I have had any problem to insert the text file.
I'm trying to solve a technical problem, in order to be able to put the Adura to it.
Of course I am very grateful.
I send fraternal greetings!

iv4fb: @muskeeto, they were not family members, unlike you, they were ready to receive and they did.

@Kay_17,be realistic, you also presented biased and unjustified beliefs or 'disbeliefs'; i thought u were intelligent enough to know that we both argued based on what we believed (or disbelief?)aint that biased? and all our opinions are justified; mine by my belief and yours by ur unbelief. I'm going to agree i'm ignorant-totally about ur "no-god theorem" and so you're also ignorant about the realities of my great GOD! stick to your guns bro and stop the extremism, use of harsh words and mind you my decision on my GOD-whether real or unreal does not clash with your unbeleif, for not even charles Darwin will appeal for you.

Reasons for atheism
logic boy--fear of slavery or should i say anger at
[/b][b]avicenna--frustrations[b][/b]
kay_17--too much learning makes him...
muskeeto--sheer ignorance
martian--i'm not sure he's academically inclined.

DISCLAIMER: The above are my opinions, they might be right or wrong but i do have right to my opinions and watch as they will return insults...its not like they have a conscience to discern good and bad though!

Note: i'm no longer ready to argue, stick to your own guns, but i sure wont be ungrateful to God to think in the atheist way.

Kay 17: Its so clear that david lacks the basic understanding of science!! Scientific theories are first, explanations which momentarily supported by prevailing evidence in the absence of falsifiable evidence strong enough to make the explanation untenable or absurd.

Einstein and Newton's theories are classical examples of this definition. Whereas David's definition is rather too simplistic!

And lv4fb is not making any sense!! The question was whether Faith is integral to Science NOT whether a white man developed an idea. STICK to your points lv4fb!!

Kay 17: Evolution explains the eye phenomenon well and validly within the scientific system.

logicboy: I have always known you to be a quack scientist. You say that evolution does not explain the eye? You are a fake scientist and an intelligent design conspiracist!

Kay 17: Evolution explains the eye phenomenon well and validly within the scientific system.

iv4fb: @Avicenna, there's always an explanation to anything like there's an explanation to why[right is wrong and why Nigeria is bigger than Africa.] Come on bro, you sure can do better. I believe in creation coz I was told-in ur own words, but hey u were told about evolution too. ok, u read about it. lol!

iv4fb: @Martian, all the atheist I've come across are usually highly intellectuals positively defending their beliefs, for yours I think its total negativity, you 'disect' words, criticize, and attack words without having a singular point for apart from attacking my choice of words, what have u said? Wow! I aint responsible for your frustrations brother. Your next step may b to employ the use of insults but the truth is I'm happy with my God and you're not with your theorems, maybe u can blame them for your frustrations instead.

@Avicenna, why I point to the 'eye' was that if the functionality of the eye confused Darwin having been one of the smallest 'members' of creation, then I really don't know what we're argueing on. Again, your 'so called' theories of evolution keep 'evolving', advances keep bringing more hints, and you guys keep believing each hint(and u guys say u don't have faith, yet you believe your 'theorem starters'). Creation don't need advance theorems. Although I aint talking about creation vs evolution with you coz I sure won't rely in advance sciences for explanations on realities. Peace!

iv4fb: @avicenna, well I assume I knw much of evolution having done psychology but hey the greatest advancement in sciences is yet to explain the functionality of the eye - they're all hypotheses. Mind you, I'm not a 'religionists', I don't believe in religion but I believe in God and I fear him. U fear none and you're anti-religious. Its fine if you want to keep fighting religion, go ahead but u can't fight God!

Kay 17: As a scientist David, what is Faith in science like?

iv4fb: @avicenna, I'm sure I did more 'evolution' stuffs than you, but trust me it still don't add up, we'll wait for ur 'advances in science' to proffer better explanations

iv4fb: @avicenna, I'm sure I did more 'evolution' stuffs than you, but trust me it still don't add up, we'll wait for ur 'advances in science' to proffer better explanations

iv4fb: Lolz! Now this is becoming funny.

@Avicenna, u don't need attack people instead, face ideologies. and about thanking ur parents, u just raise another issue that ur parents 'created' u, that's a new one! Honestly, you're yet to bring out ur points apart from the insults.

davidylan: You would have sounded more honest if you just admitted you had no idea. You didnt answer this salient question the first time either. I get tired of the usual musical chairs these clowns resort to when they are asked to provide evidence for their own "faith".

davidylan: so kindly explain where life came from. thanks.

iv4fb: Again atheists, u don't have to be abusive or cruel or use insults, I have rights to my own opinions and so do you. Nevertheless, since the right to be heard does not include the right to be taken seriously, I'll consider those using harsh words as not serious.

@2good, I did outline my reasoning, yet u didn't see them and u have none to present neither have u asked any logical question, rather u made some illogical conclusions. U need Jesus, only Him can help you and if he don't, no one else can.

@avicenna, I had to laugh at the point u raised, that when you are really thankful (say for some happenings) you'll thank your parents-interesting! Maybe you should blame them for your woes rather than taking God to be ur foe. I'm sorry friend, God isn't the source of your frustration, maybe too much learning is.

iv4fb: I've gone through all their posts and threads and honestly this is my own conclusion

1. They are all frustrated at religions and they have rights too for life itself don't add up.

2. How can u say there is no God and you spend all your time, intellect and energy proving otherwise? You are trying to prove that there is no God by quoting theorems and happenings. Why not just stick to your own belief and rest?

3. controversies they say abound in the Bible, well I agree that several 'unexplanable' things r in d Bible but I bet u'll never figure them out or prove them wrong either. So create ur own holy book and make it perfect

4. They say the Bible is not the word of God, I thought you already said there was no God?

5.Believing there is no God wouldn't ease frustrations

6.If life itself were a product of evolution, I think in the twenty-some years have been here, cats would have evolved to a point they start holding bottles or walking properly on twos

7. When atheist are really thankful, who do they thank? Charles Darwin?

8.Most atheist are highly intelligent people and most religious people are highly terrible and just ridiculous-the thiefs/robbers, boko harams/religious fanatics, drunkards, gays and lesbians,billionaire pastors who don't share, ritualists, prostitutes and all sort of stuffs happens only with the religious people but that doesn't change anything.

9. I think whether or not the Bible is right or wrong has nothing to do with u, u don't believe in it-we already know that, so let it be for those that believe in it.

10. In conclusion, in d middle of a dark night, u have the right to believe the sun does not exist but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Its ur take

Vivly: I just had my first gss coure on philosophy nd d lecturer was lyk 'wat makes u tink God exists?'. The guy rili contradicted our views. He told us dat we all agree dat we r made in d likeness of God, nd dat hw is it possible dat we r not perfect nd he is perfect. Though he gave us many contradictory reasons, i can only rememba this. Do u tink God rili exist or accordin to our lecturer[b][b/] 'God is a concept developed by d hopeless'[b][b/]
pls drop ur views on this

Ptolomeus: Your comment is very valuable and surprising. Here in America, it is believed that traditional religion is the most practiced in Nigeria. I was very surprised when I joined the forum and saw the religious reality of Nigeria.
According to your comentrario, the precarious situation of Babalawos contrasts with the sumptuous living with W. Abimbola, which is representative in the Diaspora (USA, Cuba, etc..) And makes decisions on a religious level.
Abimbola first instance was firmly opposed to the existence of the office of Iyaonifá (Babalawo woman), but then, he encouraged the creation of that office, which goes against the most ancient traditions ...
HOWEVER, from here we continue to look to Africa with admiration and respect. Africa still feel like the great cradle, the root, the referent.

Ptolomeus: Dear friend.
First of all, thank you very much for you to understand I'm not doing critical, but trying to contribute what little I know, and also to learn. Share. It was his excellent explanation of the term Ifatoyinbo. The Yoruba language is very complex, I have noticed that many times unite words and contractions performed by omitting letters .... It is very complex, especially for a foreigner like me.
I fully understand your analysis, and share it.
Do not is fitting that the priests themselves IFA adopting such attitudes ...
I would like to tell you something, that may seem minor, but it relates to African traditions.
At South American ethnic groups came from Africa. Had to endure a transfer inhuman in the holds of slave ships. The highest percentage died on the voyage, or as a result. Many generations lived in a state of slavery, with its language, traditions and beliefs prohibited.
However, despite the odds, kept alive the flame of their beliefs and traditions. Here is very respectful of the black tradition.
I think that contrasts with the adoption of the name Ifatoyinbo ...

[/b]If you do not consider it an abuse of me, I want to give some consideration traditional Adura that I have been rescued in the Yoruba language. It would be important, beyond translation, know the dialect and the possible origin ... It would be of great importance to my research.[b]

I am honored to talk with you!
I hope you can understand my very bad English.

Ptolomeus: Dear friend.
First of all, thank you very much for you to understand I'm not doing critical, but trying to contribute what little I know, and also to learn. Share. It was his excellent explanation of the term Ifatoyinbo. The Yoruba language is very complex, I have noticed that many times unite words and contractions performed by omitting letters .... It is very complex, especially for a foreigner like me.
I fully understand your analysis, and share it.
Do not is fitting that the priests themselves IFA adopting such attitudes ...
I would like to tell you something, that may seem minor, but it relates to African traditions.
At South American ethnic groups came from Africa. Had to endure a transfer inhuman in the holds of slave ships. The highest percentage died on the voyage, or as a result. Many generations lived in a state of slavery, with its language, traditions and beliefs prohibited.
However, despite the odds, kept alive the flame of their beliefs and traditions. Here is very respectful of the black tradition.
I think that contrasts with the adoption of the name Ifatoyinbo ...

If you do not consider it an abuse of me, I want to give some consideration traditional Adura that I have been rescued in the Yoruba language. It would be important, beyond translation, know the dialect and the possible origin ... It would be of great importance to my research.

I am honored to talk with you!
I hope you can understand my very bad English.

Ptolomeus: Dear friend, is a pleasure to exchange knowledge with you. Thank you for your appreciation and consideration.
I do not doubt the sacrifices that you named, and neither do the justify. I only that they go back a long time ago. I find a contradiction between those who "abandon" the Yoruba deities because at one time performed these sacrifices, and embrace other religions whose god demanded human sacrifices also.
I also note that the abandonment of traditional culture (in general) African and embrace Western culture has brought him to Africa a substantial improvement in the quality of life, on the contrary ... from the "Berlin Agreement "I think (very respectfully) to Africa fell into a deep crisis of historical identity.
It is possible that the priests themselves IFA submit to whites ... but understand that doing nothing different from most other people.

I ask for clarification (help) on this point: the name "Ifatoyinbo" according to the term "Oyin" mean honey ...
the word "white" would not be funfun?
Thank you very much for your consideration and attention.
I respect very much.
An affectionate greeting!

Ptolomeus: Dear friend:
1. It is logical that there are studies by the British. I already mentioned that the first studies on African traditions and religions were made by English missionaries ( sided, and superficial studes). That does not speak well for the British (who also wrongly interpreted almost everything) but bad for Africans.
2. I respectfully beg to differ with you about human sacrifice. If we talk historically in Africa may be conducted human sacrifices for religious purposes.
That's not the actual reality.
But do not forget that the Judeo-Christian god was ordered to undertake human sacrifices (sometimes children).
It is estimated that a Jewish sect made ​​even today.
So ... we chose the lesser evil? That will cost African slavery for hundreds of years and met the greatest genocide in human history (I have the numbers and statistics per capita)
That was choosing the lesser evil?
Well ... I do not want to induce anyone to change their thinking, just that things are not imposed as the Europeans.
You have done an excellent pose. I think it's a great collaboration ... From the discussion comes the light!
I send warm greetings!