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@Gerrard59,
And about the folks you mentioned for Singapore and South Korea. The fact that they were the ones who played some major roles at turning their nations' fortunes around for good is still no proof that no one in those countries prayed. So, YOU CAN'T BE SURE. The way God works in answering prayers is such that he uses whoever is available regardless of their faith stance.

In 2016, we were having one of our worst currency crisis as a nation, I prayed seriously and consistently about it. Praying specifically for oil prices to rebound from a low of about $27.

Months after, God used the OPEC and RUSSIA as well as the CBN's monetary policy committee to grant my answers. To you it would seem like there was no prayer, but I really did pray passionately about it and look at us today 360 from 525.
Reserves almost doubling over the same timeframe.

Experts forecast at the time that oil couldn't rise above $50 for the next few years, this year we've been closer to 70 than we've been to 60.

Not knowing about my prayers, you would have jumped to the conclusion that no one prayed, which would have been a gross falsity.

Gerrard59:
Which is why I'm asking, if prayers developed the US. How about other countries? And where is the evidence to prove that prayers developed the US?

At red: I'm very sure, because Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore and Park of S.Korea did not pray to have their countries to be developed. And if because of one or two persons, how about Nigeria? We've multitudes of such persons!!!

Prayers have never developed a country, I wonder where you folks get such point from.

Asking "how about other countries?" is the fault in your argument.

If I flew last week to Abuja.
and you drove there, while your folks took a ferry there.

If I then say "A flight got me to Abuja"

it'd be silly of you to ask "how about us?" as your way of countering my statement.

The fact that some countries may not have prayed to get their development has nothing to do with the fact that the US got hers through prayers.

Tozara:
You

Even honey begins to taste sour when taken constantly for years, and the beautic vision of the Catholic heaven, the bliss of the Protestant paradise, or the luxury of the Islamic Firdaus begins to turn horrific, ugly, and bitter after billions or trillions of years must have passed. Those admitted into heaven after fulfilling all righteousness would suddenly find themekves in a horrific hell of boredom, tedium and stasis.

How can anyone enjoy eternal bliss, and of what nature would that bliss be?

And about your talk on boredom,

what's the summary of the average man's life. wakes up, goes to work, returns home to family, next day repeats the same, yet how many people have you heard quitting their lives for its boredom.

Just look at how God arranges just a few things Eyes, nose, mouth, chin and all, yet he permutes these 5-6 things in more than 20 billion ways as opposed to 120-720 ways that science suggests.

or look at mere thumb print, just a few lines, yet he alters them in several billion ways.

Those should make you realize that even if we get to do just a few activities in heaven for trillions upon trillions of years, they'll never be boring.

Tozara:
You didn't answer my question. What is eternal bliss? What kind of bliss would be obtainable in paradise that would last forever?

How can anyone enjoy eternal bliss, and of what nature would that bliss be?

I want to answer you based on my assumption that you're asking to learn.

Ask yourself, if a piece of red meat was thrown on the floor, why would a dog rush at it, whereas a goat wouldn't bulge?
It's the nature.

The sinful nature in a natural man is what causes all kinds of evil covetousness and cravings in him. By evil I mean, having your own wife with whom you've taken an oath of fidelity, yet running around to seek illicit sex with others, including people's wives. The cravings could be as bad as wanting the death of another purely out of envy.

When your nature becomes renewed, you find that you only desire things that are right and not more. Meanwhile, God doesn't forbid Christian to have sex, wine and dine well, or have good cars and enjoy great music. as a Christian, I do all those.
Alcohol and tobacco, go outside the bible to medicine, and check out their effects on your health. why then would you want them?

When we get to heaven, we'll have a totally new nature, and we'll be in a totally new environment, albeit awesome.

Our bliss at that time will be the utter satisfaction of every desire that springs from our new nature, and the total absence of anything that brings dissatisfaction.

I'm not sure of all those things are specifically, but I don't have to. All I know is that whatever my nature at that time desires-singing, running around, building stuffs- whatever they are, I'll get them FULLY satisfied.

Mujtahida:
So to you once a thing as s inexplicable it automatically becomes attributable to the supernatural? I see.

Thunder was once feared because men attributed it to the divine. Today the science behind its workings is known. Nobody fears the Thunder any more. Things are supernatural to you because knowledge in that particular direction has not yet grown. Once knowledge gains ground the supernaturalness of a thing disappears.

You see, it's not as if knowledge has not grown in this area. it actually is, that the established knowledge of this time already defines somethings as impossible, so If they should happen, then it only make sense to agree that they are supernatural since they put natural laws on hold.

There was no law that confirmed that lightning couldn't happen. In this case Newton has established a law that the entire world holds true. The law says there cannot be an acceleration on a body if no physical force acts on the body.

in the instance I gave you, that law was suspended, hence the reason, why any knowledgeable scientist only has the option of either denying the occurrence or attributing it to the supernatural. He won't say it needs to be learnt because they have established a governing law in that field already.

Mujtahida:
My point is the bolded is not correct.

Then explain the physical concept behind how a force large enough to accelrate a 200-pound man got into the car.

After that give instances where such force has been used or deployed by other natural men.

If you can't, then it's funny to just say something you don't understand isn't correct.

Mujtahida:
You've made my point for me. Your initial posts carried on about Christians having some form of divine immunity and that's why I mentioned Myles Munroe. Now you are talking of the miraculous without pegging it to Christianity. So you are making my point for me. Just like everyone else Christians die from accidents, Christians miraculously survive ghastly accidents too. Abi is it only Christians who survives ghastly accidents? You know why it's not only christians? It is because it doesn't depend on any blood of Jesus. Many have cried blood of Jesus and still died. Blood of Jesus is only seem validated by those who survived. But it's not about no blood. Life is random! And knows no Christian. Eat poison, you die, touch fire, it burns, prick yourself, blood will flow. Simple

You probably didn't read what I wrote well enough.

The man who got thrown out of his car miraculously, certainly experienced something that can only happen to someone with a supernatural backing. it wasn't random, and had he not had a spiritual connection, he couldn't have experienced it. That's the point that I make, not your own point on randomness.

During 9/11, there were people who said they literally were pushed at such high speeds by some force away from the scene, and that was the only reason they survived it. Gloria Copeland mentioned that during one of her visits to Canaanland.
The push wasn't ordinary, and it wasn't random, and they only experienced it cos they had a spiritual backing. Others who lacked such backing lost their lives to the incidence.

Gerrard59:
False. Prayer doesn't develop a country. If prayers was the reason behind the US development. What about Germany, Japan, Singapore, South Korea, UAE, Bahrain, Canada etc?

@Post, I love the way majority of the posters on this thread responded. Things need to be set right. How can evil spirits be behind the crises in the country?

Yours is such a weak argument.

He didn't say "prayers develop all nations"

He said "prayers developed the US"

so bringing an argument about some countries that were developed without prayers doesn't form a suitable counterargument.

He didn't say nations couldn't develop without prayers.

By the way you can't be so sure that all those countries actually developed without prayers. Because just for the sake of one man out of the millions in a nation, God can decide to bless the entire nation. So there may have been one, two, or a few persons in those nations whose prayers had significant effects on the nations' prosperity.

Egypt rescued the world of famine at the time, how many of them prayed. Maybe just Joseph and a few others, and certainly the prayers were what gave the wisdom as regards how they could cope with the situation.

Mujtahida:
Myles Monroe died in a plane crash. So many Christians die from accidents on a daily basis. You know why? Reality doesn't care about your religion. If fire touches you, you will feel the burn. Simple

Why were you in such a rush to say what you don't know?

There are several people on a daily basis, world over, who get saved from terrible situations based purely on their faith. I've heard testimonies of people who survived the blast of 9/11 by means way beyond the natural.
I remember one of several testimonies, wherein a man had a terrible crash while driving in his car. At first he was conscious, he tried at that time to pull himself out but he legs were stuck. The he lost consciousness. His testimony was that the people who eventually saw him come out of the car said he was THROWN out of the car. How do you explain the throwing when no one got near the car?

Even if you dig up stories of a thousand people who failed in faith, there are certainly a thousand others for whom it worked very well.

If you come out of school and can't get a great job, does it change the fact that college degrees make it possible for people to get great jobs?

Or if you pour water to your Generator rather than gasoline, and it refuses to run, does it change the fact that generators actually supply electric power?

The fact that you fail at something doesn't mean it doesn't work.

Sink that in!

Chyxki:
You're intelligent and he's not!
That's why you're not a first class, but he is.
Also, his title "Dr." is for PhD, but where is yours?

Let's pray he passes his 5th Jamb exam first. opening gutters to rant nonsense.

Chyxki:
Have you listened to him for a period of time to know what he preaches? Don't criticize ignorantly because you don't know him!

That's how they are bro. Always drawing conclusions out of ignorance, thinking they're smart.

Tozara:
What's eternal bliss? What constitutes bliss in an eternal paradise? What would you be doing for eternity?

You ask as though finding what to do when you all the means is such a difficulty.

If immortality could be purchased, do you think wealthy folks would worry about what they'd be doing and not pay for it?

Alikote:
am looking at the reduction in volume at the 2 qrt..by 50 percent from the table this means more fund chasing few tb the rate will futher go down expect other avenue avail itself then fixed income investor move there but for now economy not growing

Sure sir.

But if the CBN still maintains a tightening stance, they will issues OMO bills to make up.

Remember Q4' 2015 when rates were super low, T-bills volume was huge, but OMOs were pretty scarce. I think MPR was set at 11 or 12% then.

This CBN I'm seeing doesn't want single digits for T-bills yet, but I'm sure the DMO does. They want the least possible debt service cost.

I am only being optimistic o. You know optimism sometimes makes you have a biased view, so maybe I do.

CAPSLOCKED:

YOU NAILED IT.

WE'RE JUST LIKE PLANTS AND ANIMALS WHEN WE DIE.

That's just you and others like yourself o. It's you guys that are mere vegetables.

I and several other Christians are spirit beings with eternal existence. soon we'll trade our current bodies for immortal ones and then live in eternal bliss.

Even if this were false (likelihood is less than zero), what do I lose? Absolutely nothing.

Now if it's true (likelihood is more than 100%), I PITY YOUR FOLKS!

Alikote:
Tb bonanza has ended till another 5 yrs cycle rate will futher drop to single digit...

We hope not o.

US is hiking rates, and our MPC is delaying a cut. So there's still hope for 12-13% discounts in the near term.

Please note I said "HOPE".

redsun:
It depends on what your idea of economy iso and ideal human interaction. I don't think a country where an ardent kkk man is the leader is an ideal civilised society. Where somebody can just wake and start killing people because he/she has had enough of the hateful rhetoric and rat race is an ideal society.

You didn't say "ideal". Where you have natural humans an ideal society is an impossibility.

What you did was regard the most advanced nation of the world as a 4th world nation, it's in that, that you are wrong.

redsun:
With the way you reason and live you are more or less a sub- human, and of course, with 0 IQ. IQ don't exist in your world,that is why you live in perpetual delusions and wanton want and miseries.

You didn't really believe that erstwhile you wouldn't have replied.
I on the other hand know you have an IQ, only that you overrate yours and underrate others.

Post here a snapshot of any significant academic medal you've ever won your whole life. There's probably none.
How then could you regard folks like Pastor Olukoya with such impressive achievements as you can only dream of, how could you regard him as unintelligent.

You probably can't recite two pages of prints verbatim. Yet there was a a very young lad who did several pages at the last HolyGhost service.

Now, your prideful ignorance makes you feel you're smart.

In my class in Uni. 7 out of the best 10 were serious fellowship brothers, and even all of the remains 3 were Christians, albeit not so serious.

Doesn't that confirm to you that the smartests are Theists?

Check out Ben Carson too. I doubt if you could ever achieve 10% of his feats in your entire life. Yet he is a brother.

plaetton:
I hear the BULLSHYT alarms going off everywhere.


You have said not one single sensible thing up there.

If you are a sincere subscriber to all the aforementioned Bullshyts up there, then I'm truly sorry to inform you that someone has left hold the bag, a big bag full of dung.

Of course it would seem that way to you, cos you obviously have a comprehension difficulty.

mabea:
Do you know why the jews rejected Jesus? Jesus brought the kingdom of God. Religion will subject you to certain rules and laws but faith in Christ sets you at liberty to serve God acceptly because Jesus is the righteousness of God.

There is an after life except if you think there is no difference between you and other animals.

Sure he does. With their foolish bing bang nonsense, they classify themselves together with goats.

redsun:
US is not exactly a model country for a mentally emancipated country,there are so many fundamentally ignorant people and institutions in that country that are just as bad as that of the 4th world. Anything near to a model society can only be found in western Europe, i.e.,Holland ,Germany and even reforming Great Britain.

You didn't really think you'd be making any sense calling the world's largest economy a 4th world. Did you?

This is basically the country of reference in the world.
From currencies to commodities, stock market to technology, sports and entertainment, military and space exploration. Every nation references the US, and it will be that way for a long time. Because its founders christened it "God's Own Country".

redsun:
The mental controls the socalled spiritual. The only reason why men like him make waves in your world is because you are still in the dark age. An age that you are yet to understand what 1+1 really means in practice. .

And you do?

Folks like yourself with IQs at best in the 70th percentile, would be the ones regarding those whose IQs exceed the 90th percentile as being of inferior intelligence.

Calm down man, you could use some smartness.

Pussickpunk:
Spot on.....

Spot on where?

Why can't the two of you put your heads together and use your own "common sense" to end the crisis. Who/what is stopping you?

Baseless empty rants.

CAPSLOCKED:
"
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things."

ISAIAH 45:7

So?

Did you not read the Egypt story, or Sodom's? is it new to you that God brings disaster on the wicked?

You should know that an eternal one still awaits all those ignorant fools who think they know enough to regard the faith walk as illusions.

hopefulLandlord:
Christianity in a nutshell: More than 1 billion churches, 4 billion members, 4200 religions, for more than 6000 years fighting 1 Satan

The fact that your stats don't add up confirms so well that your post makes no sense.

1 billion churches?

The Christian population world wide should be just about 3bn. Using a modest average congregation size of a hundred persons puts the number of church parishes at just about 30million.

4200 religion? Did you actually think before you typed this. How did you count 1 thing to get it to be 4200. Except of course there was a suspension of your soberness.

The final point still makes no sense. Christians don't fight Satan. As a matter of fact, you can count just how many times in the entire Bible he was mentioned-Fewer than the number of times King David or Abraham or Apostle Paule etc were each mentioned.

Satan is only overemphasized by people in ignorance. When you come to the right understanding, you'll realize that he ever remains in his place- right under our feet.

kerry57:
He is not intelligent at all, you are. Don't type trash about people u know nothing at all. The same Olukoya that is not intelligent to u is a First Class graduate of university of Reading in molecular and cell biology, the first in the history of that university in the UK. The same not intelligent Olukoya defended his PhD in 25 minutes before top professors, which have never happened before in that dept. Or u think he bought the Dr that proceeds his name? Probably u think all men of God got into the ministry because of money, think twice and mind what type about before u barely know.

You're minding the e-diot?

If he thinks the problem isn't witchcraft, why not define what the problem is and profer solutions.

The fool is quick to say it's government failure, and that things would be better if it was in a developed world. If his reasoning wasn't haphazard, wouldn't he have remembered that there was a terrorist attack in Nice a while back, was France not developed at the time, how about school shootings in the US?

The military has deployed that largest percentage of their human and material resources to fighting this insurgency, with even foreign assistance, yet the hair head thinks he knows better.

This is someone who probably failed Jamb more than once opening his mouth to call someone with academic achievements that will only remain dreams to his generations, calling him "not intelligent"

plaetton:

And the son of skydaddy came down from heaven to Earth to save humankind from something or someone, and immediately thereafter and for the last 2000 years, humankind still hurls itself from one problem, conflict and calamity to another.
What exactly did Jesus achieve if his followers are still being mentally and emotionally being tormented by the one and only Satan ?
Jesus supposedly cured leppers and polio victims, but he couldn't even identify germs as the primary causes of bodily afflictions.
Louis Pasteur did a million times more for humanity than the supposed son of God.
Louis Pasteur identified germs as the cause diseases: and the world has never been the Same.

Can we please kneel and pray to the true saviour of humankind, Louis Pasteur.


Hilarious when you think about it.

What is this one saying now?

Who told you men before Louis whatever didn't know germs to be the cause of ailments? since his discovery, what is it that has changed? Has he taken germs out of existence? Has he been able to stop people from falling sick? if you say his discovery has helped provide cure, who told you there weren't cures and treatments before his time.

Come out of your ignorance!

If you had the understanding that Christians possess, then you would know that the basic principle we live by is that every thing in our lives has been made subject to our instructions by virtue of Christ's authority given to us.

When drugs fail you, you become hopeless. But as a Christian, all you have to do is cast out the ailment and it goes, isn't that way more awesome?

You want to go on a journey, does Louis' study make your flight or ferry guaranteed? Sure not. If you had the privilege of being a Christian, all it'd take would just be for you to speak smoothness upon the journey, and you'd have it.

Christ came to among other things:

1. pay the Ransome for the sins which every human is naturally guilty of. He has paid now, so we can become exempt from every penalty.

2. He came to conquer death, and put him under the feet of us Christians.

3. He came to give us Christians authority over forces, principalities and powers in all realms.

So now We have dominion over the devil and his cohorts, as well as over death, poverty, sickness and pain. So you're only being in utter ignorance to think that the devil or sickness still oppresses any Christian.

emmanuelewumi:
Fan milk and DUFIL are expensive based on my valuation. I don't have information about the performance of Nigeria mortgage refinance company

I have a personal liking for Wamco.
But looking at their 2016 digits,

DY was just about 5% (#7.70 versus price of #155).Even with the interim dividend, it was still just about 7%.

Total OS is 976m, out of which the dutch guys hold 672m. So illiquidity means low volatility which in turn may imply low capital gains prospects.

Also, some few years back when each share was a #1.00 ordinary share, it traded for about 360 on the NASD OTC, now that they reconstructed to 50k shares, effectively doubling the number of OS, it trades for #155 rather than 180 that one would expect.


SO SIR,

WHAT INCENTIVES DO YOU HAVE FOR HOLDING THIS STOCK, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU SEE THAT I DON'T. KINDLY ENLIGHTEN SIR.

ositadima1:
Happy new year, I am planning on investing this week, I hope 13.5 is possible.

Hope is the WORD.
But a modest expectation for the PMA would be 13% on 364 days. The MPC'S decision on rates is the next big factor we await.

Happy Easter everyone.

Happy new week, happy new month, and happy new QUARTER too.

Q1 is gone, Q2 is starting.

It'll be healthy to take a review of our portfolio's performance in this past quarter in the light of our full-year goals, and then make necessary adjustments for the new quarter.

By the time the year ends, it's my prayer for each of us, that our achievements will surpass our targets.

Wishing everyone a prosperous and bountiful portfolio this quarter.

Seun:
Jesus would never have given such an order because he was a Jew himself, with Jewish parents, brothers, sisters, and disciples.

Been a while Sir.
Thanks for suggesting that Zach Williams track.

"Washed clean" should make a good listen.
Passes for jazz. Everybody loves Jazz, so I expect you to.

It'd gladden us if you could be in church today though.

Have an amazing week.

Jesus lives, and loves you much.

emmanuelewumi:
Dangote cement is selling at a huge premium, I wonder why he enjoys the great goodwill from the investment community.

Dangote cement that is listed comprises of all his cement plants in Africa, same thing with Lafarge. I expect Lafarge to give Dangote a good fight in the African cement market, but is Lafarge ready for a fight to reclaim her market share in Africa?

Dangote went home with a whopping dividend of N119 billion from Dangote cement in 2017 after the deduction of withholding tax. The dividend is expected to move up to N147 billion in 2018

While dividend from Sugar in 2017 was N4.74 billion which will rise to N9.87 billion in 2018

sometimes, the difference between the ordinary and the extraordinary is the VISION.
Alhaji is relentless. That about him is enviable.