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superhumanist:
Another way to put it-

If there is no salt or Maggi or any seasoning in your cooking, I know it is tasteless.


Just as I know that you are 'relationshipless" with God since there is no seasoning (communication, no picture of god, no voice etc).

I pray a quick relief for you man. Like someone said, "It's bad to be dumb, it's worse to be dumb and think you're smart" Yours is a Level 12 dumbness on a scale of 10.

Smart thinking folks would at least know, that they need to have seen me and my soup first, and not just sit somewhere and make silly assertions.
In your mind, only salt and seasoning make a soup taste great. You see your life? do you even need to be a theist to realize that your assumption is shallow?

With growth comes better reasoning, wait on it dude.

superhumanist:
Wrong analogy.

I'm saying that you are a bit mad for talking to a god you can't see, hear, smell or touch.

An invisible, unprovable God.


I know that you are lying the same way my 4 year old is lying when he says santa Claus is his friend.

Bro. You have no relationship with God. You can't tell me what he looks like or sounds like because you will easily be exposed like a charlatan

Dude, are you human? if yes, did you trade your brain for a cow's?
if not for foolishness and mental derailment. on your part. how could you possibly think that you could tell someone you know nothing about how real or not the people he talks to are.

You'd be better off running on AI. your mind's obviously the dumbest ever.

Later you will tell me the bank account I have is imaginary, because your high on folly.

tintingz:
The fallacy in your response is that you're quick to assume that I was talking about the bible God.

Gods are Gods, each Gods should appear in the sky to prove they are real.

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Just as someone could say to Dangote, "let him show us a truck load of cash to prove that he's Africa's richest"
You think any amount of such rants by any fellow should make Dangote bulge?

How much less God Almighty. He's not out to impress you or convince you that He exists, if that was what He wanted, does common sense not make it obvious that he would have coded us to compulsorily accept him? The power of choice is one of the greatest He has given to man, and He very much respects it.

Finally, even if he chose to appear, let's even say that could happen, the atheists that I know you guys to be would still say it's not enough proof, you'd probably say it's an alien from another galaxy, and then spread news about an impending human colonization by aliens.

How can someone tell you that one moment he was bedfast, and just waiting to die of cancer, having been given up on by the finest doctors, and then he prayed in faith, and instantly his body was made whole.

The only thing you could do is say maybe it didn't happen, but since it really did happen, it defies common sense for you to still seek any other proof of the supernatural. That experience to an objective mind, is more proof than any sky-appearing stunt you guys seek.

And the only reason you keep asking for God to show himself I. the sky, is not so you can believe-naah..
It's cos, just as with Dangote, you know He won't bulge just cos of some silly rantings.

Except any of you explains how these supernatural encounters we described could have ordinarily happenings, then it's obvious we've given you proofs of the supernatural that you can't deny.

superhumanist:
I don't need to experience a madman's life history or thoughts to know that he is mad.

But you'd have to eat my food before you can judge its taste wouldn't you. It would be silly of you to just conclude that my foot I'd tasteless without having tasted it wouldn't it?

Emusan:
So in your own view, how do you want God to proof Himself to you? I take it as, the evidence must beyond any logical assumption.



Since you have power 'to reason' you can still confuse God's evidence with natural occurrences.

Let me give an eyes witness example:

In 1995, God acted miraculously in my hometown Okeagbe Akoko (the hometown of Late Rufus Giwa named after Owo Poly), Akoko North-west LGA, Ondo State. There was a particular highway from my hometown to Oyin Akoko (former Nigeria IG police hometown 'Ehindero'). On that highway, like 2years after construction strange thing starts happening like unusual accident. I could remember the incident of that hardworking popular Igbo guy selling electronics, he died along that road when their car had accident(note there was no collision or bursting of tire the car just caught fire) and burnt to ashes. It was only him that could be recognized in that incident simply because he was sitting beside the door and his head fell of from window, so it was only his head that was buried.

But the most astonished part is, all accident that do happened on that road, always occurred at a particular spot.

I could remember vividly, there were many prophecies by various churches then and all these prophecies pointed to one thing, "there is one stone that has be bewitched in that area, this stone is the one causing the calamity" surprisingly, those prophecies also include a message that pray and God will intervene.
Many revival programs were held by different churches 3,5,7,21days my church then C&S did 7days.

To cut the long story short, the day God will fight for His people, It was like a dream. That faithful day, it seems it will rain heavily. as usual everybody prepared for heavy rain before you know it, it started to rain. Surprisingly, it's not up to 10mins the rain started, a very powerful atomic thunder struck. Nobody in my hometown that doesn't feel the sound, vibration and movement of the thunder. I could remember this statement from my grandma then "Ibun ti dun, baba mi ti daun" (meaning the gun has sounded, my Father has answered). As an elderly woman I'm very sure she understood that the thunder is a MESSENGER, even though she didn't no the excert location.

And the rain people thought will last for an hour just fall like 20-30mins and stopped. In less than 30mins, there was a shocking news all over the village. Guess what, along that road excertlly where the accident usually occurred, a massive rock (I don't know the actual size since no-one has measured it but it's massive), was shattered into pieces as if a dynamite was used to blast it.

Well if Atheists were to give their view that day, they may say maybe unknown person planted a dynamite there but as God always give an indisputable evidence of His work, the path the thunder followed before hitting the rock will be like 1-2km and to everybody surprises, the thunder cleared everything along that path be it stone, grass and tree (just as if a bulldozer working on a virgin land for road construction). The most miraculous part of it was that since that day till I left my hometown a single accident never occurred on that road not to talk of that same spot (I left 2003, even till now I've never heard of any fatal accident on that road).

I know if you're to be in my hometown then, is either you attribute it to natural occurrences and blame people of being too religious or you acknowledge the wonderous works of the creator.

But one thing is certain, God's evidence of His existence that goes beyond logical reasoning is all around us.

Let them keep basking in ignorance. The funny thing is, when any if them experiences the supernatural adversely, they won't come here to narrate their ordeal.

To objective folks, if you gave just one instance of happenings that are grossly beyond the natural, it'd be enough to convince them that the supernatural exists. But these folks, give them 1 million overwhelming accounts, they with still naysay, and make funny arguments as per how those accounts don't evidence the existence of the supernatural. Yet they will never be able to explain how those happenings can be by natural causes.
Again Challenge them to come experience things that'll prove to them that the supernatural exists, they'll definitely and fearfully decline.

Isn't it obvious that it's not evidence they seek? If God should appear to them in the sky, they will still claim it's not God. They'll say proof that there's life in another galaxy, and what they saw must have been a travelling alien.

What then is the problem I have with these guys? Well basically, if as a doctor, my sick patient is emphatically making claims that I am the one sick, and that he is the one who knows enough as to decide the state of my physical health? it'll be frustrating to stand him.

Gggg102:
but it also creates the problem of which God is in charge of the supernatural. which is true. even if the supernatural is true, you still have a problem to face.

Maybe it does, but that's not the problem with atheists. Their position is that nothing supernatural exists. This based on people's vast experience is utterly wrong.

The issue of which God is true is beyond the scope of this thread isn't it?

superhumanist:
"When a man talks to an imaginary being, it is madness. When many men do it, it is religion."

And when you attempt to describe other people's experience that you haven't had, what's that called?

PRIDEFUL IGNORANCE?

Do you have a wife or a sister? You know what, since I haven't met them, they are merely illusions in your mind. How's the sound of that? creepy huh?

hopefulLandlord:
don't pull solipsism here

solipsism?look in the mirror bro.
I'm not the one calling other people's relationships-which I'm completely ignorant about, I'm not the one calling them imaginary am I?

So who's the one not open to others' viewpoint.
we said we ate rice, you're saying since you've never eaten rice, rice is only a product of our imagination. that's some solipsism bro.

pluto09:
That January bull run was too weird, the market has to rebalance it's self. Either bull or bear, I am prepared for both.

One corresponds to a planting season, whereas the other is harvest.
Don't you think we should have the harvest for longer?

Maybe it does, but that's not the problem with atheists. Their position is that nothing supernatural exists. This based on people's vast experience is utterly wrong.

The issue of which God is true is beyond the scope of this thread isn't it?

hopefulLandlord:
exactly!! but AwesomeJ is conflating experience as evidence while experiencing something doesn't in anyway mean its real and its only convincing to the "experiencer"

What your proof that water exist?

hopefulLandlord:
exactly!! but AwesomeJ is conflating experience as evidence while experiencing something doesn't in anyway mean its real and its only convincing to the "experiencer"

Both you and the guy you quoted have a very faint point. The fact that all religions claim to experience the supernatural renders Christians' claims of the supernatural as evidence invalid?

Of course not.

Rather it buttresses the fact that these experiences are evidence for the existence of the supernatural. For if so many people claim to be experiencing the supernatural, how could you still think it's imaginary?

hopefulLandlord:
OGA, stop this nonsensical preaching abeg

If your various experiences convince you your imaginary friend (whichever flavour you have) exists, then my lack of such experience also convinces me that your various imaginary friends aren't real

Stop this circumlocution

How do you reason now?

I say I harvest yams from my farms, and that proves to me that crops are planted.
You're there claiming smartness, and you can be convenient posting a counter argument that because you don't harvest yams from any farm proves that planting is imaginary. Come on.

or I drive my car on diesel, and that's proof that diesel is fuel. You're saying because you do not drive on diesel then it proves diesel is not fuel. kinda lame if you ask me.

hopefulLandlord:
Personal experiences are only convincing to those that claim to experience it and are not evidence until someone else either experiences or empirically demonstrates it to be true

The fact that a traveling Bedouin sees a mirage in the middle of the Sahara (and believes it) doesn't mean there is indeed a lake there. The fact that a schizophrenic person sees objects (and believes it) does not mean that the objects are truly there.

Christians/Muslims don't care about my personal experiences with a godless universe, or my personal experiences with superstitious thinking being realized to be just that.
Only Christian/Muslim "personal experiences" matter.

to be fair, the same could be said about most believers in other faiths and their "personal experiences." they tend to be more quiet in public about it, when they are in the minority, like non-xtian/Muslim faiths in Nigeria. but the same self-important "i felt it therefore it's real, and if you can't you're wrong" mentality can be found all over the world, in the names of thousands of gods.

This is for me the main reason why I dismiss these stories. People all over the world just happen to have an experience confirming THEIR religion. How convenient. And these obviously contradict each others religions.

The fact remains that we have experience that common sense would judge to be beyond ordinary, and whether someone in another religion claims to have a similar experience or not it doesn't matter. our own experience already confirms strongly to us that the supernatural exists, and even if someone from another religion lays claims on similar experience, it only buttresses the point.

BUT it would be way off for some folks to start telling us we didn't experience what we experienced. That'd be gross. Did you enter my mind?

On the fact that someone else needs to experience the supernatural, before those experiences can be taken as proof, since you've mentioned that there are several others who claims experiences of the supernatural, are you not shooting yourself in the feet?

On mirage, it does not qualify for a suitable comparison. Because if I sight it at a particular marked spot, and then I approach the spot, I end up not seeing it, so I'd know it's an illusion. But when I've been bedfast and given up to die, and just by saying some words, I instantly becomes whole, each time I check my body, I'll know it's very real, and so would anyone who saw me. and it would be awkward on their part to try telling me that my healing is imaginary.

wanaj0:
https://af.reuters.com/article/africaTech/idAFL8N1QI889

MTN collecting donation for its fine

NSE should be better.

I mean when the demutualization pulls through.

hopefulLandlord:
Where exactly did any atheist on this thread call believers in imaginary friends dumb just because they believe in imaginary friends?


Again, who exactly said any of these things here? you seem to be pulling a strawman here, a highly dishonest one at that

you're also making a very mistake. Someone achieving something big in a scientific or intellectual field doesn't mean he/she can't believe dumb bullsheet things too

Newton, while well known for his scientific theories and achievements, actually spent MUCH MORE of his time on the study of the Bible than he did science
He devoted time to searching the bible for hidden codes trying to know the exact measurement of the temple of Solomon with which he claimed he'll be able to accurately predict the date of apocalypse

He also devoted time to Alchemy searching for the philosopher's stone so he can make all the gold he wanted and achieve immortality

Alfred Russel Wallace, who was a good biologist and one of the first people to take evolution seriously, actually spent more of his time believing he's talking to ghosts

Nikola Tesla, regarded to be one of the best inventors ever, was actually adamant that he's receiving radio signals from Mars

see? being intelligent doesn't mean you can't fall for dumb bullsheet too

and you my good sir haven't said what those evidence are

Tell me more..... I'm interested but you'll lose my interest fast if I see illogical bullsheet

Now you know Seun, and maybe have personal relationship with him. The basis for which you believe in his existence is defined to you. Right?

So if just cos I haven't met Seun, I start telling you that Seun really doesn't exist, he's only a product of your imagination, and you're in bondage thinking he exists.

Would that be anything short of me saying you're not intelligent enough to determine the realness of a relationship you have? When I keep insisting to you that contrary to your experience with Seun, my opinion on his non existence is what counts, wouldn't it be that I assume myself to be smart whereas I see you as so dumb as to still believe in Seun's existence?
That's it bro, that's why I see the insult you guys try to make to people's intellect.

Now the examples of smart people believing things you mentioned above don't have any correlation.

In the case of Tesla for instance, what experience did he have to prove the existence of those signals. Did he decode them via a radio receiver?

in our own case, I have given you some of the countless experience that we have of God's existence. Those are the proofs. You can't provide explanations to those experience, but you'd rather want to avoid them since they are undeniable to you.

hopefulLandlord:
awesomeJ, don't take this the wrong way but can you just move all these nonsense anecdotes back to the thread you opened for Seun? I thank you for your expected cooperation

Didn't you ask for proof? What's your deal man?
Somebody say he has a rich friend, you ask him to prove it, then he shows you the $5m diamond ring the friend got him. You're saying that's not proof, then what is? and what's the explanation for how he got such an expensive ring.

The fact is you expect he wouldn't be able to produce anything, and now that he does, you're disappointed and are attempting to dismiss the proof, you won't until you can give him an explanation for the ring. He surely knows the only way he got it is from his friend, and if you think otherwise, it doesn't change that proof for him or any body else who's objective enough.

pluto09:
Why do you want to chase the bear away
It is not good to always have the bull.

I guess it has overstayed its welcome. I'd like a 2-week bear for every month-long bull.

The same pastor Kenneth was initially dull as a student, would make D's and Fs. Then he read in the Bible how God made Daniel, and his folks 10 times better than all the other students in Babylon at the time.

So he asked God for a better mind performance, and then he started making straight As.
Good thing is the US keeps good records, so you can go to verify.

Before he died, he could quote 2 thirds of the new testament verbatim.

Christianity is way deeper than the idea you guys are having of it o. Like I often say if you've ever met a real Christian, you couldn't buy him out of his faith with even a trillion dollars.

How about pastor Kenneth,
At 16, he was bedfast, terribly ill, he was to die of cancer, The finest doctors already gave up on him, and even his own pastors when they came around were like "hold it together son, in a few days, it will all be over"
So everyone was basically counting the days till his death.
But he didn't want to die, still being very young.
At any time, he found the strength, he would open to the Bible to read, and so a time came when he opened to Mark 11:24, where it's written that if you ask anything, believe you received it and you shall have it.

Then he prayed for a whole body, and at that instant believed that he was already healed. Then he checked to know what the time was. It was 10 in the morning. So he thought to himself "well people ought to be up this time of the morning". so he made the effort and stood to his feet, and instantly, there was a feeling like a thousand needles were piercing his feet, and eventually he was wholly restored to health, and went on to live for over 60 years.
This magnificent normhealing happened instantly. It's not fiction, and it isn't a biblical record. It's a 20th century occurrence. If you're in doubt, make efforts to find out details about Kenneth Hagin's teenage cancer, and how he got healed. You may even get to see the doctors' reports.


These are amazing things people are experiencing of God, and you guys are there basking in your ignorance that he doesn't exist. You're on your own.

Now Pastor Keith,
He read in the Bible the portion that says if you asked for anything and believed you received it, you'd get it.

At the time, he and his wife were broke, finding it difficult to even feed.

So he agreed with his wife to believe God for a car. They decided they'd believe God for a new car. He wanted a new Buick "Reveero".

So they had heard someone taught about setting timelines to prayer requests. so they decided to give God 30 days. They figured 30 days'd be long at enough for God to get them the car, He's a big God.

So 5 days passed nothing happened, 10 days, 20 days, down to the 30th day, nothing happened.

Then on the 30th day, they would jump as every telephone call, if someone told any of them he wanted to see them, they'd enthusiastically ask " what about" still by 8pm that day, there was no car. So they kept watching the clock, 9pm, 10pm, 11:45pm, nothing, they figured "day isn't over" then came 12:00am, nothing 12:30, and finally they just went to bed without talking about it.

Then the next morning they discussed it, and pastor was like "I still don't see where we got it wrong" but they never concluded that God didn't exist or that he failed them.

Then several months later, Pastor Keith was at this faith conference, and after some of the teachings, he figured "these things are still not different from what we applied regarding the car, I guess maybe there's just more to being I faith than I can grasp"

So while he meditated, God told him. "You were in faith", then he was like " what?, I was in faith?, then why didn't it work?"

Then God added " you were in faith,.....till 12:30, just cause of some moving tickers the wall, you decided my word wasn't true?'

Then pastor Keith started beating himself saying "men, you mean I could have been driving a new car for a year?, come on Keith, nobody told you to do that 30-day deal, you can't find any scriptures on 30 days..."

Then when he got back home, he discussed with his wife, and they decided to do it again, this time, no 30-day clause.

So 6 months passed, and 1 year passed, 2 years passed, 3 years passed, 4 and a half years passed.

Then one day someone called and told them the LORD dealt with him to buy them a new car, any one they chose.

so getting to the dealership, there was the particular Buick he had always wanted, but it was already sold. pained, he told the salesman, $if something doesn't work out with the buyer, call me"

Next morning, the salesman called "something didn't work out"
So pastor Keith went over there, and eventually went home with his Brand new Buick "Reveero" fully paid for.

do you guys think such a man could even for one moment doubt the existence of God? This experience and several others he's had surely constitute super strong proofs for him and anyone else who's objective enough.

budaatum:
First, you do not have to prove to me that there is some guy in New York who you write to when you want something. To be honest, I wouldn't have reason to doubt you get what you get from the guy by writing letters unless you give me reason to doubt you, say for instance, if you are known to bend the truth often! So why bother proving it to me in the first place?

If I already get all the things you get without writing letters, then from my perspective, letter writing is not what gives me those things, so why should I even consider becoming a letter writer to some guy in New York? Am I greedy perhaps? I want twice as much? I'm tired of whatever it is I do that gives me those things I get? I came crying to you for help perhaps?

As to the bolded "you guys" below, you would not be asking me to become a letter writer if you accepted I get all you get by not writing letters!

And just in case you want to claim all this story about some guy in New York you write letters to and get what you want was not to convince me to become a letter writer because only letter writing to guys in New York would give me what I want, I have coloured in for you to see that you are inferring only letter writing works, and trying to convince me to write letters, and completely disregarding that I get all you get without writing letters to some guy in New York!

P.s. My tone sounds harsh! I do not mean anything untowards by it. You have not in reality tried to personally convince me of anything.

You don't really think this your long post follows with the scope of my comments do you?

Let me help you.

I gave an instance to demonstrate to Seun, that we as Christians have proof for our faith:

1. I write a letter to someone asking for something.
Something that couldn't just happen to just anyone.

2. The thing gets done specifically as I request.

3. I conclude that the thing happened for me solely due to the letter since I know I never sought any other means. I however acknowledge that it happened to other people through other means.

4. Then I concluded that there surely is a person who gets my letters.

And That's a solid proof I have for that person's existence.

5. You said you agreed with the analogy.

6. Then you added an unnecessary part saying I claimed only letter writing works and that I wanted you to start writing letters.
THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW BRO.

You know one thing I notice with you atheist folks is that you'll are prideful. Just cos of some little education, and maybe some little cash too, you think in your ignorance that you're smarter and more enlightened than every one else.

I am sure that if I was in a class with you guys, I'd be a much better student than 80% of you. yet you think I'm dumb. I know a friend-not so close though, got his Ph.D in computer engineering at about 28, full scholarship for M.Sc and Ph.D in Italy. prior to his masters, aced several top notch job tests and interviews. He attends deeper life, yet you think it's dumbness that makes him a Christian.

I know another guy, one of the first Andela fellows, he's a Christian. Andela's success rate is under 1%. Yet you guys think he's really dumb.

The man who taught me control systems in engineering school, is the smartest teacher, tutor, or lecturer I've ever met in my entire life. He's a pastor, yet in your mind, you're more enlightened than him.


The fact is there are countless number of people all over the world the soles of whose feet guys like you would be unworthy to tie when it comes to intellect. Yet you bask in your ignorance, thinking they are fools for acknowledging the obvious, you guys have chosen to be blinded to.

You see, this evidence you guys keep asking for are not nonexistent as you suppose, as a matter of facts, each passing day is loaded with millions of it.

For each time someone takes a principle from the Bible and rightly applies it, and gets results, WHAT EVIDENCE COULD BE MORE?

budaatum:
And I agree.

But if I get all the things you ask for in your letter without writing the letter, wouldn't it be odd for you to say that letter writing is the only way to get those things, so I too must become a letter writer?

I keep getting this line from you guys though. Why do you often. infer that what I said is only letter writing works. I didn't say that, what I said was letter writing works. I never spelt any exclusiveness to its effectiveness. As a matter of fact, in the analogy I gave, I talked about those who got their good grades via other means than letter writing.

So getting you to write letters wouldn't be the point. The point would be that I have an undeniable proof that there's exists someone in New York who reads my letters.

Getting the fact of His existence established is first, thereafter, I may tell you all He's got to offer, and if they make enough sense to you, you may accept Him. If on the other hand, you're convinced you'd be better off without Him, it'd still be alright. But this time around, your rejection of Him wouldn't mean he doesn't exist, that fact would have been what we already established.

Agbalowomeri:
My brother I be insider na im I dey hustle for here.

No mind us joo. It's obvious, you're just experienced and gifted, and we're blessed to have you here.

When someone asks. Fxuser " what're the charts saying", it would be more helpful to also ask Agba "what are the dreams saying"

cos for this NSE, dreams seem to be more helpful than charts.

Whoever dreams dreams should perhaps also open up with this God-given talent o, so that with 2 or 3 agreeing dreams, we can chase these bears away and buy ourselves some mammoth bulls.

budaatum:
Yep, it would convince me. Until someone comes along, has no friend in New York, writes no letters, and gets the same things I get from my letter writings. Time to check if my letter writing has anything to do with what I'm getting, won't you think?

Only if those things happened each time, to everyone who never wrote any letters.

If they did, common sense would already help you judge that the letters didn't make the influence.

In the case that you attribute the happenings to the letters' influence, it would mean that the things you asked for were not ordinary things as might have happened to everyone at every of those times.

For instance, my request could be to make an A in MTS 415.
Sure there could be 5 other guys in the class who make As. But if you asked them, there'd be those who tell you how well they read, those who talk about their closeness to the lecturer, and I who tell you about my letter, given that I know it was all I did.

So, since not everyone in the class made an A, there was surely something that marked the few of us who did out. For some, it was their great efforts, for me it was my letter, so the experience will definitely convince me that someone reads them letters, and he's got some great influence too. And by the time each one of my other request happens, I get more solidified in the belief that it couldn't have just been mere coincidences

Seun:
It has always been important. I just didn't realise it earlier. I gave some reasons on this older thread

That's such a wild generalization you made there bro.

I don't know the kind of religious folks you meet, but it would have been more accurate if you said things like "some religious people are suffering", " some religions deny/rob some people of their freedom, pleasure, joy, health money..."

I am a Christian, and very very contrary to your thinking, I am not suffering, and so are not most Christian folks I know. There are people who suffer, but it's never due to their acceptance of the Christian faith. You've never met any Christian who suffers, and you never will.

Deny/Rob? If there was anything like that happening to me as a Christian, more than you, I would know, but as it is, there isn't any such thing.

Freedom to do what? tell lies? steal other people's stuffs? kill? have sex with every movie star/porn star that I crush on? with your "freedom" as an atheist, how much luck have you had banging every girl you ever fantasize about? In the end you still for the sake of sanity have to give up on most, so where is the freedom?

Waste of time? That again is a conclusion you've drawn out of ignorance.

As a student, there was a semester, I would go from class to tutorial centres to my room to really study. I barely made 4.30 GPA.

There was another semester when I went to church 7 days a week, night or day or both, and during exams, had to attend finance convention in church, thereby going a bit late for most papers. Studies on my part were at their lowest levels ever. GPA 4.89
You then expect me to conclude that church wasted my time. I couldn't reasonably do that.

Seun:
My evidence against the existence of God is that despite numerous efforts by religious people to prove his existence, they've failed. If God existed, proving his existence wouldn't be so difficult unless he was deliberately hiding from us. If he's hiding, shouldn't we stop bothering him?

You are very wrong in assuming that all Christians have failed in their attempt to prove the existence of God. Because I haven't, and I know a couple others who haven't.

What's this proof we have of his existence?

Imagine you someone told you there was a guy interested in being friends with you. Guy lives in New York. There's no mobile phone, no telephone no Skype at the time. He doesn't write letters, but he'll receive them if you wrote.

Guy has a really great influence.

Now, if you wrote him say about 10 letters, and in each, you asked him for something specific-material or otherwise, and then each time, the thing you ask for reaches to you/happens.
Wouldn't that be enough proof for you that there really is someone at the other end receiving your letter?

Agbalowomeri:
The only bottom I care about.....Yariya where are you?

Na wah oh.
Anyways, keep doing what you do. Those great hints every once a while. Kudos.

Agba, please will there be a lower bottom before closure?

CP, did you notice that Agba said there'd be a reversal on AFRIPRUD's bashing today. Did you notice that despite all odds, this happened. Which quarter's result did he extrapolate to know that?

UyiIredia:
Yeah, yeah. It will take time searching but I can summarize his reason AS I RECALL IT. Like many atheists Seun doesn't like the bad effects of religion like scientific ignorance, superstition as in some ridiculous pastor worshipping, terrorism as with Boko Haram etc. He decided at a point to man up and speak up. Methinks those jihadists on the Islam section need some dose more that Christians sha.

Well if that's it, then I'll say those reasons are unfounded and basically assumptions.

I am a Christian. I am not ignorant of relevant scientific facts, I don't have superstitious beliefs, I don't do terrorism and certainly don't idolise any pastor. And I am sure there are several other Christians who are as I am and even way better than I am.

So if those are his reasons for wanting to persuade us, then it's clear he's got the entire concept of our position really wrong, and so his persuasions are grossly unnecessary, and couldn't possibly be effective, given the faulty scope of it.