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chemystery:
I assure you that there are some here who will not die until they have seen the Son of Man come as King.”
Matthew 16:28 GNT

Even if he wasn't specific about who the "some" were, we all know that all Jesus' disciples as well as all those existing then were mortals and there is no way any of them will still be alive today waiting for Jesus' second coming.

No one is saying they're still alive, which is not totally impossible. The point is, those folks to whom Jesus referred most likely left this earth without dying as it was Enoch and Elisha. So as long as the story with Elisha is what we Christian believe, we don't see any way in which He has disappointed regarding the time of His return. Cos contrary to your interpretation of that scripture, Jesus didn't specify any time for his return, as a matter of fact, He actually said He didn't know the time. So if that scripture you're quoting meant what you're interpreting it to mean, those there with Him to whom He had earlier said that the time for his return was unknown would have likely raised the question.

festwiz:
You have time though. Thumbs up for that. Every religious makes excuses for their god. The reason why they are silent, why they don't answer prayers etc. When it comes to an opposing religion, every excuse made becomes proof the other doesn't exist. It's really laughable.

Do you even have faith to begin with? So how can you be sure prayers don't get answered? You've never been on a plane, you only gaze at them at the far sky where their movements appear slower than a speeding car's, then you're drawing the conclusion that planes don't move fast. Learn about prayer first, or better still ask people who are more informed.

hopefulLandlord:
He ordered lands to be taken and inhabitants to be put to the sword, including infants a because they didn't believe in Yahweh,

Good thing that your own argument and analogy make sense, compared to that dude with rice and yam. Quite a relief.

Just the above part of your post though. Can you give the reference to a place where God ordered the killing of infants and even anyone for that matter just because they didn't believe in Him?

Timmi:
Federal reserve decision and note from the last meeting of January 31, 2018:
In view of realized and expected labor market conditions and inflation, the Committee decided to maintain the target range for the federal funds rate at 1-1/4 to 1‑1/2 percent. The stance of monetary policy remains accommodative, thereby supporting strong labor market conditions and a sustained return to 2 percent inflation

Thanks. I thought they were to meet on Feb 14, or perhaps it's the labor report that was to be released. Anyways, thanks again.

hopefulLandlord:
More like Christians waiting and hoping, I doubt any atheist thought something reasonable would come from OP

if you remember correctly, I never promised any atheist a proof, and neither did I invite any to the thread. You can't find anything in the topic or in my posts that suggests I did. so whatever it was you thought of the thread is grossly immaterial.

Soflex:
You will expect someone that has the effrontery to call out Seun (for his belief or disbelief) in the presence of millions may possibly have something convincing to present: like a video of himself and God conversing about the growing numbers of atheist in the world. He gave the least convincing arguments that won't even move a 2-day-old atheist: incredulous testimonies and tithe. He was even feeling pompous ontop unintelligent propositions and arguments. The time he gave Seun to accept the challenge that will convince has passed blah blah blah.

So between 2:30pm and 10:pm on Sunday when Seun obviously failed to pick up the challenge, where were you with your.....Why could you not encourage him to dare. He rejected the terms right before he even got full details. You're here ranting. He said he would allow us proceed only after I gave him some answers, I gave the answers, yet he still didn't sign up. Why did you not cheer him on at that time to man up. And the Testimonies. Did I mention to you that they were the proof I wanted to give Seun. Did you not read the part where I said that I was only gonna share them first, and only if they didn't convince Seun- as I expected they wouldn't- would I proceed to give him the evidence. if you didn't see that then just go back to the first page to check. and if you did, then what exactly is your headache?

hopefulLandlord:
You neither quoted nor mentioned me so I'm just seeing this now



After taking time to explain to you that I'm not asking for justification, you still went ahead with justifications

Read that Guy's post, read my reply, take time to understand it very well and give a germane response

Wasn't a justification. You were trying to present Yahweh as a blood thirsty God, and you definitely needed the clarification.

chemystery:
Is this a fact or just your imagination or wishful thought at work? So all 12 disciples of Jesus didn't die huh? They are still alive waiting for Jesus' second coming. Use your head na!




If he told his disciples that they will not finish their work in all the towns of Israel before he comes again, then which other time will they have to go into the world since they won't even finish in Israel before his second coming?

You on the other hand man need to employ the full percentage of your neurons, quote the scripture where Jesus said none of his disciples would die. If you could read and comprehend, you'd have found that he wasn't specific about whom it was that wouldn't taste death.

Soflex:
Stop trying to be smart guy, you aren't. Why would you imply that it's "only rice" that can fill a man and start vomiting gibberish when I countered that I ate yam and I was filled too. I may be technically hypoglycemic at the moment due to personal reason but my sense of logic is still intact.

There's definitely something wrong with your comprehension of the English language. Quote where I implied that only rice fills a man. if a post is higher than you can digest, why not just be silent rather than embarrass yourself of a public forum. Later now, you'll want to scold your child for failing English, whereas it's only in the blood. Again, quote where I said that only rice fills a man or just in your own interest, stop quoting me.

Soflex:
Do you even think about what you type at all? Giving tithe as an example to validate your non-existing argument is like shooting yourself on foot. You pay tithe, you have an overwhelming blessing, I don't pay and I also have "overwhelming" blessings. So kini big deal?

Not being able to comprehend a simple statement only highlights a problem on your own part man. I said I ate rice and I'm full, you're saying because you didn't eat rice and you're also full means that I should deny the fact that the rice I ate is what filled me. You must be way down on glucose.

chemystery:
Jesus failed to come in the generation he promised to come just like the bible verse darkchild64 gave you. Here is yet another bible verse:

When they persecute you in one town, run away to another one. I assure you that you will not finish your work in all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
Matthew 10:23 GNT

So, brace up and face reality. I know it is hard to imagine a universe existing without you but it has always been so before you were born, and so it shall be after you are gone. Stop waiting for a dead Jew who has failed to come when he promised to come.

P.S:
Another thing worth noting in that verse is that Jesus didn't even expect his disciples to take his message beyond the towns of Israel before he comes again. I don't know how some clowns now made it to reach us here.

How can you be confident speaking out of ignorance.
"Some will not taste death before I return" is different from "I will return while these people are still alive" Since Jesus said some would not taste death before he returned, then those folks he referred to must have left this earth by some means other than death, as it was with Enoch and Elijah.

Then you went on saying Jesus didn't expect his disciples to preach beyond Jerusalem. How ridiculous! Did he give the two instructions at the same time. One time your Dad tells you to go pick up groceries, then he says don't drive the car beyond the estate. At another time he says, '' Go drop your aunty off in Benin, and say hi to all our relatives in Onne, Brass, Bonny, and all the southernmost parts of the country'
Your ill-informed friend is arguing years after that when you were with your Dad, he never allowed you drive beyond the estate. Does his ignorant argument hold any water?

How about the Fed's decision on rates?

Seun:
Your argument is based on the premise that Christianity is the only religion in the world that could be true, which is false.

What if you die and find yourself in the presence of Prophet Muhammed and his God? All your years of worshipping Jesus as God would only add to your punishment in the Islamic hell, because worshipping a man as God is a grave sin in Islam. Does that worry you? If not, why not?

Someone says, add some colour indicator to a volume of dilute acid, then slowly add some base to the solution, after a while, you'll observe a colour change. You follow the instructions carefully, and you saw the colour change. Would it be difficult for you to figure that what you've been told is true?

The christian faith has its principles. Over the years, you've applying them, and you've been getting results, Would you need anyone but yourself to confirm it trueness and realness to you?

The probability that Christianity is false is ZERO, because it produces results.

If in any slim chance, it turns out not to be the only way to God, I still have nothing lose, so long as I remain sure it's a way.

Tithe is an example. The principle is that if you pay it, you'll have more blessings than you have room for. I pay it, I have overwhelming blessings, which definitely implies that the principle is true, and the underlying faith is as well true.

Anyone with the US Fed's decision on rates?

Here is your answer:
Since the globally accepted standard is that anyone who kills another should also get a death sentence,
1. Why don't soldiers get prosecuted for their killings at war? Why do you not advocate that soldiers who kill at war be tried and sentenced to death? Why do you not go ahead and condemn the world's justice system as utterly terrible for allowing killings at war?

2. Police men, or whoever they are that execute a court's death sentence, why don't you advocate that they'd also be killed, since they kill people.

And you should know the difference between an instruction and a law.

hopefulLandlord:
Check his post here https://www.nairaland.com/post/65050983


and I replied the post here https://www.nairaland.com/4342017/seun-finally-want-give-undeniable/7#65051067

I guess you're referring to the killings recorded in the Bible. Why God would allow them right?

hopefulLandlord:
This is rich coming from someone who dodged my questions to him cuz it shook his delusion

Please do you mind repeating the question? You're sure to get an answer.

TONY56:
Very serious.

May just be higher sir. Yesterday's OMO were not bought at all, investors ditched one, and the other was under subscribed, and eventually unsold.

Stock market this morning is witnessed a huge growth in transaction volumes. So let's see what happens.

Investnow2017:
Just observed. People hardly quarrel during BULL season

This is time to make money. I see that happening between now and as early as mid March, with good timing.

I guess it depends largely on people's expectations. The past month's bulls were quite crazy, and just when you think it has peaked out, it yet surges. Then you hear of people mentioning their 50-200% gains in one month. So you jump in for fear of missing out, with the modest hope of making at least 50% before a reversal. For a start, You could have put in just 20% of the funds to be invested, and do what Pa Emma refers to as cost averaging, but you figured "the more, the merrier". As it turned out your entry point marked the market's crest. At some point during the pull back, you decided to average down with whatever funds you had left, but even the support you were counting on got broken.


Only difference for me is that stocks represent quite a small fraction of my investment portfolio.

More than picking the right stocks, TIMING your entry and exit rightly is what I consider most important in this market.

Agbalowomeri:
I have been in this bus for 14 years; where dem see 1100%?

Did you enter at the low of Dec'08. Even then, you'd still need to add up the dividend yields and bonus issues to get that. Their approach was to assume an investor bought the stock with 100k in 08 DEC, going by the dividend payments, bonus issues, and capital gains, they figured the 100k portfolio would have been worth 1.1m on Feb 7.

Seun:
@awesomeJ, can you post the final evidence that you have? The one that you consider to be personal to me? The most powerful one? Thanks.

Not anymore. The time passed.
I was gonna make a decree on something that'll happen to you within a timeframe, and we'd have both agreed on the details of the circumstance. I would then have made the decree, and you would have experienced it. And that would have demonstrated to you that the supernatural exists. Because it would have been such forces that would have gone out to work out the manifestation of the decree, God having established it.

It would have surely worked as have several others I have made.

But why you didn't sign up for it yesterday is what I still don't understand. Now it's late already.
And before you start questioning why it can't be done at just any time, you should know like I have said that there are principles which govern things including spiritual things, and they must be rightly applied.

I WAITED TILL about 10:45pm last night. Deal would be off by 12:00am. I didn't have to mention that to you. it wasn't necessary.
So since something undefined to me kept you from picking up the challenge, I figure, God must have decided to save you a ton of troubles.

Not to worry though. Just one of these days. Could be years from now, when the atmosphere is right as it really was yesterday for me to present YOU another proof I will.

SO THIS THREAD IS OFFICIALLY OVER.

We'll continue the conversation on those other threads you make comments on.

Have a great week. God bless you.

omogidi234:
Well I really don't think you can convince anyone that God exist, except God himself decides to. Also, even if human conviction can, I think it would be easier with those who have not passed through church, albeit, Pentecostal one.

The person under discussion grew up in a Pentecostal setting and the Pastor still maintain that modesty till date.

This is my opinion- rather than try to convince anyone of God's existence, pray God existence to be shown to such people.

If you went on social media, screaming "Dangote is the poorest African". Do you think he will even care to find out whom you are , talk less of trying to convince you he is not poor.
So why do you think some people's ..... should make God wanna reveal Himself to convince them. Whom do you take him for?

As Christians, we don't try to convince anyone. All we do is share the knowledge of the Gospel with people, and it's entirely up to them to accept or reject. There's no force in it. God wouldn't force anyone. If he wanted to, he'd have made us like robots without our own will power.

Try to read the thread well. There is no part where I have said I wanted to convince anyone.

darkchild64:
a matter of time before what happens,didn't the bible say that Jesus is coming SOON,now 2000 years has passed and he is still coming soon,abeg I don't want to abuse anybody or religion,allow us atheists to be

"Soon" is a relative term.
When you were 15, 5 years would seem longer to you than it does now that you're older. How much more for God whose age is more than a trillion quadrillion years. If he says soon, that's cos it's soon to Him, may not necessarily be to us.

DeSepiero:
Jesus could not convince them in their youth?

You still have the wrong idea of whom Jesus is. Dangote as an employer can only offer you a good job. The offer is "anyone who believes i am the largest African cement maker should come to the factory and pick up a job". You will have to believe in the realness of the job, and then accept it before it helps you out of unemployment. It may take you years to eventually realize the offer is real but that doesn't mean Dangote ever wanted to convince you on the realness of the offer or that it took him so long to convince you.

Soflex:
I still went to church today though: I love the simplicity of Jesus and true love/friendship the guy preaches. As par the tithe, I stopped paying a very long time ago before the era of free the sheeple when I discovered nearly a whole chapter on the actual acceptable ways of tithing in the bible which I never ever heard any of my pastors preached before (or after) except the dreadful Malachi 3 vs 8-10.

Even if there was no requirement for tithe payment. How can you comfortably sit in a church knowing that other people but not you contribute to the running of the church. The gen in my church is perhaps 200MW or higher. Do you know how much it costs to run it for even 5 minutes? So I should just sit there and enjoy everything without making any contribution. I can't be that stingy bro. How much is 10% anyways?

Soflex:
No doctor's effort as well, just the scientifically designed lamp. Yea, it may be special to you the same way phototherapy curing my child in 3 days was to me. agree with me.

You still don't get it. The phototherapy definitely qualifies as an effort from the docs, just as a prescription from them to use certain drugs qualifies as an effort on their part.

More importantly, the photo therapy is something that has either been proven or can be proven to always cure at least some forms of jaundice. These proofs would classify photo therapy as a natural means for cure.

But since same proofs can't be made for the olive oil and handkerchief in 3 hours, and there was no other efforts, then the healing was beyond a natural means, which is why you wouldn't even need to be a Christian to classify it as supernatural.

On your statement " I have been where you are"
First, you don't even know where I am. But I am super certain you were never where I am. How? Easy. Since where you were is a place from which you could plunge into faithlessness, then it certainly isn't where I am. Because the fundamentals of where I am are such that you'll have a higher chance of literally surviving as a human at the sun's core than you would of plunging into faithlessness- it's an utter impossibility.

To put things in another perspectives. Someone who was once the president of a local social club, but is now so broke that he can't afford his basic needs, says to another who is actually president of a nation such as Nigeria, he says to him out of ignorance "I have been in your position"
The latter will respond "sure you haven't" because he knows the very nature of office implies you can't be so broke as to be lacking basic needs because you receive entitlements throughout your lifetime after office.

OtemAtum:
DESCRIBE ABOVE AFTER SPENDING TIME IN CHURCH ACTIVITIES, THEN I WILL HAVE NO REASON BELIEVING THAT IT IS THE WORK OF A god(Yahweh).

But if it is 2 or 3 out of the fifty of them, then it has nothing to do with any god, but the capability and the personalities of those people.

Now you pass brilliantly, and you attribute it to your nature and reading pattern which I don't dispute at all.

But since I actually was that brother a couple of years ago, I am saying, the reason for my good success that semester was God's influence. Do you think you need to dispute that?

I didn't state the experience to demonstrate a Christian formula for success. I only wanted to counter your argument of saying success has nothing to do with spirituality. So that experience of mine confirms to at least myself that your argument doesn't hold.

However like I said, it's not a success formula, so it won't work at all times for every one. if it would, I would have had that same excellence all through. But it's an experience that has well demonstrated to me that a spiritual influence can pretty much effect success.

TomHagen:
This was unnecessary.

In fact, your need to respond to every Tom, Dick, and Harry tells me you have nothing of substance.

Stay on course.

Your thread is five pages and nothing has been achieved.

It's alright to respond to everyone to get their misconceptions cleared. I trust you would have taken silence to mean lack of explanations. Now you're getting answers and you think you should rather complain.

Don't worry about judging what or what not the thread is achieving. Just tag along, and when you've had enough, move away to another. The thread will eventually end some place, somewhere some time.

Soflex:
Just give it up already bro. Yours is the most incoherent and halfwitted argument I have ever read my entire life, both as a former Christian and an agnostic, no insult intended. You want to convince an atheist with a possible occurrence of life that he can easily get numerous explanations to (from google)? My last child came with jaundice too and all his doctor gave us is a "lamp" that clear the excess bilirubin from his system, guess I should continue serving her god of science then.

You are very welcome.
Did I mention anywhere that it was the Doctors' efforts that cleared this particular jaundice? or can you paste the link to the web page where it's be proven that putting olive oil on a baby and touching him with a white piece of cloth clears jaundice in 3 hours. You will hear of a supernatural experience, and rather than paying the due attention to its narration, you'll get in so much of a hurry to twist it by bringing a comparison that doesn't follow. What's MH business with doctors healing your baby's Jaundice? The one I shared is special because it got healed in 3 hours without any doctor's effort.

OtemAtum:
Here are the lists of what can cause one's failure even after reading very well for tests:

1. Psychological imbalance- she read well, understood well, got to the exam hall and began to remember the fight her father fought with her mum that morning, or the divorce suit her parents would go through same day, etc.
2. Bad luck- Got to the exam hall, did it well but his paper got missing physically by falling off unnoticed by the class rep or lecturer.
3. Loss of memory- he read well but exam tension took away what he as already stored in his memory.
4. Bad lecturer/Teacher: he asked her out, she turned him down. He failed her. She was rewriting another course. He told his friend to also fail her because she turned him down. She kept on failing.

...and the list goes on...

No god, be it Yahweh or Allah, can make anybody fail or pass his or her exams, but human beings can make you either pass or fail. #FACT

Oh, great.
How about for a course in engineering which stopped about 16 out of about 90 students from graduating in the session before your final year.
Now, it's your own final year, you are to take the course, you're aware of how challenging it can be, you see those 16 students taking some lectures with you now, and you're aware what the course did to them in the prior year. Throughout the semester you made efforts at attending some of the lectures, and you went through a few portions of the course material and past questions. One day to the exam it was very clear to you that you weren't prepared to even scale 20% of the exam. So you spoke with some of the brightest folks in the class to have a tutorial organized for it the night before the exam. the exam would be for 8:30 the following morning.
Now that evening before the tutorial, you had to be in church for finance convention, and against your projection, pastor taught for quite long. so by the time you got to the tutorial venue, you were surprised to see that quite a number of folks made it but you could only be there for 30minutes, as they were already rounding up. The next morning, before the exam, you had to be in church for early morning worship. And owing to how late you left church and a little early morning traffic, you got to the exam hall about 20minutes into the exam.

In the end, you made an A despite your poor preparations, please tell me what factors made you score an A.
Also note that in that very semester when you chose to pay the most attention to church stuffs, you actually had As in 7out of the 8courses graded, giving you thee best GPA in the class.

And just before you think it's smartness or a lenient grading system, note that there had been semesters when you had 3.85/5.00, 3.27/5.00, 3.43/5.00, and at a time only about 10 students out of 85 in the class had a CGPA of 3.50 or higher.

TomHagen:
Busted!!!

I'm starting to think this OP has nothing to offer.

Just another noisemaker.

I didn't claim to have an explanation for the Samuel story I only said the spirit that Saul saw might have been one from God or the devil which took on the form of Samuel, hence the reason why Saul saw it as Samuel and why the writer of that portion referred to him as Samuel. I am not making any claims on the accuracy of that thought though.

And even if it was really Samuel's spirit, that still wouldn't qualify as a reincarnation which he quoted me on.
He also mentioned those whose rose at Christ's resurrection. For those folks, that was resurrection which we believe in as Christians. it's different from reincarnation, in that those folks literally rose from their tombs and walked around the places where they were known and buried in. Unlike the reincarnation stories most folks tell, where the tomb of the said dead remains unchanged and the reincarnated beings only appear to live another life in a place where no one knew them before their death. so try to see the difference.

By the way I only mention reincarnation to explain the fact that you shouldn't try twisting people's experience they narrate to you with funny explanations.

LightSpirit:
A typical "Christian". You are rolling in clay, you are getting yourself heavy unnecessarily. You are too focused on Earth (Outer) that you forget the Sky (Inner), you have even forgotten that you have wings to escape your ignorance. You started well by saying, God is an Eternal Spirit, with no beginning and no end. You said his WORD made all things but you couldn't hint on the nature of this WORD. Is the WORD separate from GOD? John tells us that the WORD is GOD itself. It is written somewhere in your Bible, GOD is the ALL IN ALL, in him we have our BEING. Why reduce God to a disadvantaged man? That makes him ugly. Atheism is the wilderness most seekers will have to cross to meet Truth, while religions like the one you subscribe to at the moment is the egypt-slavery you must fight (within you) to escape. And when the Red Sea divides and you cross, you may find yourself where Seun is. But don't remain there.

You're welcome, but no thanks.

Here is what the devil does:
1.He keeps you an atheist;
2. You escape that, he gets you into a wrong religion;
3. You manage to become a Christian, he gets you into the wrong doctrine or belief;
4. You yet escape that, he pressures you to live in sin, despite your sound knowledge and belief.

In the end those who truly stand right are perhaps just in the 95th or an even higher percentile. Which explains the scriptures many are called but few are chosen.

Atheism and all of the other perversions mentioned above are not just the modern age trends, they were in people even during the time of the apostles, and that's no surprise because since the devil knew Jesus could have returned as early as that time, he wouldn't take any chances by having any delays in creating his perversion in people's minds.