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ZirdoRoray:
That's because he is a work of human imagination. A very vengeful one at that. Drop the fear of going to hell and look at this from a logical point of view, it helps.
Your God never stops amazing me..

Gen. 12:17
God sends a plague on the Pharaoh and his household
because the Pharaoh believed Abram's lie.

Gen. 18:32
"I will not destroy it for ten's sake."
I guess God couldn't find even ten good Sodomites because
he decides to kill them all in Genesis 19. Too bad Abraham
didn't ask God about the children. Why not save them? If
Abraham could find 10 good children, toddlers, infants, or
babies, would God spare the city? Apparently not. God
doesn't give a damn about children.

The problem with folks like yourself is that you only know say about 20% of things on a subject, and you make wild assumptions over the remaining 80. Then you hold on to such assumptions so tightly that even when the true knowledge is presented to you, you'd rather just want to twist the facts, and take texts out of context.

That fear of hell you mentioned should be something you think about handling for yourself. I KNOW NO SUCH THING, and you're very wrong in assuming that it's what motivates my faith.

darkchild64:
If I get what you are saying you admit that in the passage quoted that a man selling his daughter as a slave is wrong,however "God" doesn't condemn it because according to you if he condemns every kind of evil that human beings do the list "could" be endless
But the bible says FLEE FROM EVERY APPEARANCE OF EVIL so how is it that the bible asks us to flee from EVERY appearance of evil but condones a situation where a man commits evil by selling his daughter into slavery,and not just that the bible even makes mention of it using it to propose a law ,
and to spice it up the bible says that"GOD" IS TO HOLY TO BEHOLD INIQUITY,but here is a CRIMINAL OFFENCE in every country in the world even the most misogynist countries(this is to tell you that this situation is not one of those "little sins" and it is condoned in the bible where " God" doesn't behold iniquity to make matters worst it is a LAW,are u kidding me,,this is so disgraceful,

ANYBOOK OR SOURCE THAT CONDONES AND IN OTHER WORDS DOESN'T CONDEMN A MAN SELLING HIS DAUGHTER INTO SLAVERY ESPECIALLY WHEN THE ACT IS PRESENT IS ENCOURAGING THE ACT AND AS FAR AS AM CONCERNED,SUCH A BOOK IS DESPICAL AND DISGUSTING

Relax from your funny arguments. They are quite unnecessary. You're just making unnecessary twist around things. A man chooses to sell his own daughter, it's him you should blame.

Soflex:
It's either you have amnesia or you are just naturally mischevious. Read your own post below which suggest the reason why you absolutely believe in Christianity is that the religion has principles which work. The only example of such principles you gave is that you pay your tithe and you have an overwhelming blessing. Then I tried to force little sense into your ______ that I and millions of people in the world don't pay our tithe and we still have overwhelming blessings. So, your hypothesis and conclusions are both wrong.

In case you will still be your arrogant self and twist your own words, I have my own simplest challenge for you: show me ONE benefit (with proof) of being a Christian that is not in any other religion.

Either you need to grow up, or your brain needs to develop some more. only a fool would be able to stand your baseless pattern of argument, which obviously is the most silly and senseless I've seen on this thread. The proof of that is that you're the only one getting this kind of reply from me.

Seun:
Ritual killings would not be happening if people didn’t believe that they actually work. Pastors are guilty of enabling this false belief.

Whom do you take pastors for?. You're there in your world of limited knowledge claiming ritual killings don't work, and of all the people you could blame-government, ritualists, security officials, and all- you're choosing to balme pastors? you had better taper down on how much of contempt you dash at these most noble men of God. In which of your worlds do the pastors enforce the beliefs on ritual killings. If your ignorance had just little more enlightenment, you would know that folks who do rituals either hardly visit churches or hardly hold on to any instructions therefrom.

Which pastor did you take to OKIJA or to SOHCA(forgive the spelling) to enforce their belief in ritual killings?

Like I said, get better informed, and tone the disrespect way down.

If you however argue that the old method was flawed, then I don't think there'd be anyone to dispute that.

ZirdoRoray:
Then he is flawed because he saw his mistakes of accepting blood sacrifices and decided to stop this later on. Why couldn't he figure this from the beginning? Since he is all compassionate, why not prevent the death of Abel rather than watch him get killed and do nothing to bring him back to life.. lol

You have the wrong concept about God, brother. If God would prevent Abel's death, then he would billions others that have happened afterwards. You're wrong in thinking that's what he exists for?

As per wanting the blood of animals at one point, and later requesting it no more. That surely doesn't make him flawed. If at one point, you used to go again and again to switch your Gen on after a power failure. You already knew that by the start of the coming year, you would have gotten a better power system that just automatically turns on in milliseconds after an outrage. If by that time you no longer go out again and again, it doesn't mean you were flawed for using a different approach initially. It just means that for some reason, you chose to stick with the old method at the time.

hadow:
hence my question did they use it it was people who needed a physical reference to faith who used it. its just like u saying Jesus used his cloth to heal the woman with the issue of blood

So what's the difference?
The principle is that God's power can be made to flow through such materials- from a man of God to those who need its manifestion. What other explanation do you want to give to the effectiveness of those materials?

What the story of the woman who touched Jesus' hem illustrates is the faith of that woman. Whereas what the writings in the scripture I quoted for you illustrates is the possibility of having the power of God flow through certain materials.

Seun:
If God owned Nairaland, he would not operate any account on Nairaland.

He would communicate the rules by sending anonymous messages to random members, the chosen.

The rules presented by each chosen member would contradict the rules presented by the others.

There would be no way of knowing which chosen member had the correct rules.

People would just choose to follow whichever rules the person who invited them to the forum happened to follow.

There would be brutal thread-wars between the people following different sets of rules.

For each set of rules given by the chosen members, there would be multiple interpretations by random members.

The interpreters would claim to have received anonymous clues from the owner which they used to interpret the rules.

There would be brutal thread-wars between people following different interpretations of each set of rules.

Most of the chosen would have deleted their accounts and all posts in which they originally presented their rules.

There would be multiple versions of each set of rules floating about, with no way of knowing if any is correct.

People who break the rules won't be banned, because the chosen and the interpreters won't have any actual powers.

Interpreters will threaten those who break their rules that the owner will kill them after they deactivate their accounts.

The most famous interpreter will say that all rules are equally important: typos and posting porn pictures are the same.

That all members have broken the rules, so they deserve to be killed by the owner after they deactivate their accounts.

But there's good news: the owner's son joined the forum, and he presented his own version of the rules.

Though he was the only member who never broke any rule, his account was deactivated for the sins of the rule-breakers.

But the account was reactivated later and he was not killed because he was found to be innocent of rule-breaking.

And after his account was reactivated, he sent anonymous messages to some interpreters who are no longer active.

Therefore any rule-breaker who believes that the owner's son's account was deactivated for his errors shall not be killed!

The owner created a new forum, much better than Nairaland, which his son's believers shall be invited to any time now.

The son's profile was transferred to the new forum 3 minutes after reactivation, which is why it cannot be viewed.

But some members recall that some members said that some interpreters said they saw the son's reactivated profile.

What a mess.

Quite a long post though, but some things:
1. God is not the reason why different Christians have different instructions regarding certain things. Some folks get a whole lot of influence from sources other than God. And they base the knowledge they hold on such influences.
A good way to prove this is to check all the different BOOKS OF THE BIBLE for their positions on any given subject, and see if there's any contradiction. YOU WON'T FIND ANY DESPITE THE FACT THAT THESE DIFFERENT BOOKS HAVE DIFFERENT WRITERS.

2. To know which instruction is true, two tests: check for which one produces results, and check for how well it conforms with the writings in the Bible.

3. You guys emphasize God's position on war as though war was an evil thing, only peculiar to God. WHY DON'T YOU ADVOCATE THAT EVERY NATION OF THE WORLD-INCLUDING THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM WHO DON'T BELIEVE ON GOD, WHY DON'T YOU ADVOCATE THAT THEY SCRAPPED THEIR MILITARY?

ZirdoRoray:
So God decides to punish everyone because of their sins and you see no problem with that..lol
God created the universe but he loves seeing animals being killed and their blood poured around. He loves the stink and calls it a sweet aroma..lol
God rewards cain for killing Abel.. that's clearly injustice. Lamech decided to act on it.. This god is impossible. Moral decay started with him.

You're getting it all wrong.
First, when there are laws, whoever breaks them deserves being punished. The good side with God's justice system is that he freely pardons should you asks Him.

For Cain, God didn't reward him for killing Abel, He wouldn't. Cain cried to God, and God had mercy on him. That's how freely God forgives.

On the animals?

Let's say you bought a pair of shoes for USD 2,000.00. The fact that you regard that pair of shoes as special and make it your most significant shoe, doesn't mean your 200-naira Dunlop slippers qualify for the same honour.

Go and read the creation. story again, see what the animals were created for, and see that they don't have the place you're trying to accord them. They're just animals, and killing them is no more of a deal than the tilling the earth is. The one who made them is alright with man killing them. Why should you be overly bothered?

Seun:
If God owned Nairaland, he would not operate any account on Nairaland.

He would communicate the rules by sending anonymous messages to random members, the chosen.

The rules presented by each chosen member would contradict the rules presented by the others.

There would be no way of knowing which chosen member had the correct rules.

People would just choose to follow whichever rules the person who invited them to the forum happened to follow.

There would be brutal thread-wars between the people following different sets of rules.

For each set of rules given by the chosen members, there would be multiple interpretations by random members.

The interpreters would claim to have received anonymous clues from the owner which they used to interpret the rules.

There would be brutal thread-wars between people following different interpretations of each set of rules.

Most of the chosen would have deleted their accounts and all posts in which they originally presented their rules.

There would be multiple versions of each set of rules floating about, with no way of knowing if any is correct.

People who break the rules won't be banned, because the chosen and the interpreters won't have any actual powers.

Interpreters will threaten those who break their rules that the owner will kill them after they deactivate their accounts.

The most famous interpreter will say that all rules are equally important: typos and posting porn pictures are the same.

That all members have broken the rules, so they deserve to be killed by the owner after they deactivate their accounts.

But there's good news: the owner's son joined the forum, and he presented his own version of the rules.

Though he was the only member who never broke any rule, his account was deactivated for the sins of the rule-breakers.

But the account was reactivated later and he was not killed because he was found to be innocent of rule-breaking.

And after his account was reactivated, he sent anonymous messages to some interpreters who are no longer active.

Therefore any rule-breaker who believes that the owner's son's account was deactivated for his errors shall not be killed!

The owner created a new forum, much better than Nairaland, which his son's believers shall be invited to any time now.

The son's profile was transferred to the new forum 3 minutes after reactivation, which is why it cannot be viewed.

But some members recall that some members said that some interpreters said they saw the son's reactivated profile.

What a mess.

Quite a long post though, but some things:
1. God is not the reason why different Christians have different instructions regarding certain things. Some folks get a whole lot of influence from sources other than God. And they base the knowledge they hold on such influences.
A good way to prove this is to check all the different BOOKS OF THE BIBLE for their positions on any given subject, and see if there's any contradiction. YOU WON'T FIND ANY DESPITE THE FACT THAT THESE DIFFERENT BOOKS HAVE DIFFERENT WRITERS.

2. To know which instruction is true, two tests: check for which one produces results, and check for how well it conforms with the writings in the Bible.

3. You guys emphasize God's position on war as though war was an evil thing, only peculiar to God. WHY DON'T YOU ADVOCATE THAT EVERY NATION OF THE WORLD-INCLUDING THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM WHO DON'T BELIEVE ON GOD, WHY DON'T YOU ADVOCATE THAT THEY SCRAPPED THEIR MILITARY?

ZirdoRoray:
It shows that Yahweh is God of injustice. He knew all along the suffering of humans yet did a very bad job at preventing it.
Thanks for getting me started..
1. God decides to punish everyone because of two people's sin.. lol
"In sorrow thou shalt bring forth children. ... Thy husband ...
shall rule over thee."
God punishes Eve, and all women after her, with the pains of
childbirth and subjection to men. Gen. 3:16

2. God likes Abel's dead animals better than Cain's fruits and
vegetables. Why? Well, no reason is given, but it probably has something to do with the amount of pain, blood, and gore
involved. Gen 4:3-5

3. Lamech kills a man and claims that since Cain's murderer
would be punished sevenfold, whoever murders him will be
punished seventy-seven fold. That sounds fair. Gen 4:23-24

4. "I will destroy ... both man and beast."
God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts,
creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. Gen. 6:7 , 17

5. "Every living substance that I have made will I destroy."
God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ...
from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the
innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath?
It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. Gen 7:4

Well, I currently have a divided attention.
But let's see:
1. Your case against God would have held some weight if after giving the punishment, God didn't provide a way out for those who would take it. Those folks were warned beforehand, and if forever reason, they yet went ahead to misbehave, then their punishment was deserved.

2. On why God kills innocent animals? Are you vegetarian? Are all atheists so? There basically isn't any such thing as innocence when it comes to animals that get killed. Don't overwork yourself, they are mere animals. Their purposes don't exceed some ecological functions and to be available to man for food. If you want to tow the path of fighting their cause, then why not advocate for the earth too. How men mess up its crust, or mountains, how they get blown up.

3. The basic issue in the acceptability of the Cain and Abel offerings was the attitude each one had at giving. One's attitude was better than the other's, hence the reason he was accepted. The one with the I'll attitude developed it into one that caused him to murder his own brother

4. You're saying Lamech's statement isn't fair? who says it is?

simplex2:
Hold on...

Isn't Jesus same as God? I mean, 'one in three persons'? Like, was there a God in heaven when Jesus was on earth?

Yes. There was God the father in heaven while Jesus was on earth.

ZirdoRoray:
The God of the Bible also allows slavery,including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 & Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies
against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).
This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person.

Truth is the Bible is a Jewish weapon that was created by Jews to dominate the world through series Wars and Conquest because the Jews/Israelis saw themselves as a minority. Take a read at the bible, it's filled with animal sacrifices, violence and bloodlust.

Read more carefully.
verse 7 of Exodus says "When a man sells his own daughter as a slave...."
Who is to blame here? You have a daughter, rather than being responsible enough to take the best care of her, you decide of all things to just sell her off and get it over with.

If things were as you're trying to portray, you'd be able to find a scripture where God told people to start selling off their daughters. But that was not the case, which is why it's certain you can't find any scripture that proves God did any such thing.

Now, I know, what you may argue is that, God being a perfect God, should have condemned such an act. But the fact is if God was to specifically make condemnation on every kind of evil a man's heart can conceive, the list could be endless.

Finally, whatever situations warrants a man to decide to sell of his daughter would be such in which the daughter would be. better off for it. Who wants to be with a father that's cruel enough to want to sell them off? so it probably better the daughter leaves the irresponsible father, which is why it may have seemed to you that God didn't condemn the act.


YOU GUYS MUST REALLY BE DOING A LOT OF DIGGING INTO THE SCRIPTURES TRYING TO FIND FAULTS THAT DON'T EXIST.

GOOD ONE THOUGH, EVEN IF YOU'RE EITHER IGNORING OR MISQUOTING THE BULK OF IT. STILL GREAT YOU'RE READING.

hadow:
the apostles used them wow please give me the references(scriptural)

Acts 19:11-12
11. God was performing extraordinary miracles by Paul's hands,
12 so that even facecloths or work aprons (also sweatbands and sweatcloths or handkerchiefs) that had touched his skin were brought to the sick, and the diseases left them, and the evil spirits came out of them.

hadow:
anointing oil, water, and use of "mantles"

So, how are they unbiblical? Didn't you read about people experience with them through the Apostles?

They are basically instruments through which God's power can be made to flow.

There are abuses though? Just as you have with everything else, but those aren't enough to discredit them.

Heb 13: 7-9
7.Remember your leaders who have spoken God's word to you. As you carefully observe their lives, imitate their faith.
8. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
9.Don't be led astray by various kinds of strange teachings...

So, if you pay close attention to the context of the scripture you quoted, you'll observe that more than anything else, it's talking about the STANDARDS of Jesus being the same through all ages, and urging Christians not to submit to a different one.

IT IS SUPER OBVIOUS THAT A NUMBER OF CHANGES HAPPENED TO THE PERSONALITY OF JESUS, AFTER HIS RESURRECTION, some of which I highlighted to you in my past post, so don't misquote scriptures. JESUS IS OMNISCIENT.

darkchild64:
Your bible says that Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever,if he DIDN'T KNOW something during the first century that means at the time he wasn't omniscient,and if by now he has become omniscient that means he has changed, so no matter how you look at the problem is still there

You're very wrong there.
While on earth, did Jesus have the key to the gates of hell? Now does he?
While on earth, did he eat physical food? Now does he?
While on earth, did he have a name above all names? Now does he?
While on earth, was there anything at all he didn't know? Now is there?

So You have made reference to the wrong scripture, as it obviously has no application in this context.

JESUS IS OMNISCIENT, you think otherwise, mention what you think he doesn't know, otherwise, suit yourself.

And about God being angry, Do you not get the basics? We were made in HIS image. So what do you expect?

You should however note some major differences:
1. Whereas human anger may arise at the slightest provocation, in most cases, people consistently indulge in provocative actions for a while, before God shows them his anger.
2. While someone has already repented of their wrongs that angered you, you may still hold on to it, not so with God, You show sign of repentance, and He's forgiven you already.


BRO, THESE REASONS YOU GAVE FOR NOT BELIEVING IN THE CHRISTIAN GOD- ANGER & TREE CURSING- ARE QUITE SHALLOW. THERE ARR FOLKS WHO BELIEVED IN HIM, AND WAITED ON HIM TO COME THROUGH FOR THEM IN A DESPERATE SITUATION, BUT AS IT TURNED OUT, IT APPEARED HE DIDN'T. BUT EVEN FOR SUCH FOLKS, concluding on his non existence isn't the right way to go, instead they should have sought to find out more about why things turned out unfavourably.

I remember studying lenses. I had learnt that converging lenses produce real inverted images. But in several attempts I tried so hard to observe such an image, but given the transparency of the lens, all I saw was the object itself which was upright. Until a day came, when after reading more, I decided to use a specific object location, with the image expected to be formed at a specific location as well Eventually, I saw the image, and it was inverted.
Now, in those days when I had limited knowledge on the subject matter, I could have concluded that the principle wasn't true just because it didn't work for me at the time. But it wouldn't have change that fact of the trueness of the principle, would it?

darkchild64:
There is a reason we atheists don't regard the Christian god as a true god by t rather the product of fiction,WHY SHOULD A GOD POSSESS RAGE.
Anger is a product of the human emotions,most of the time it is a weakness,and 90% of the things we do due to anger we end up regretting,funny enough the Christian god regrets too,accordung to the bible we see him destroying the world and then later regrets his action,also in the new testament,Jesus takes a very irrational action due to rage by cursing a fig tree,this story is one of the strongest evidence that confirms that Jesus is everything but a god

So now, of all things, you want to make a case for a tree? Why not do away with every wooden furniture/item you may have, since they came from someone doing more than just cursing them.
By the way, you should know that the lesson in the fig tree's story is to demonstrate to Christians the power available in their utterances. It was in explaining the principle that made the fig tree dry up to the disciples that this popular saying came: " IF YOU HAVE FAITH, YOU CAN MOVE MOUNTAINS".
Good thing is it's not even in Christendom alone that this applies. If you an atheist start making a negative confession about yourself for instance, and you consistently do it for a while, I assure you, you'll get what you say. Why not a positive confession? Well because, the forces that bring that to manifestation require FAITH, which you lack. No so with the negatives though, all it takes is for a demon to hold on to what you say, and there you go.

hopefulLandlord:
I'm sure apologists know better than you that's cooking up tales

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010006

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1382.cfm

What are you saying now? Wasn't it you who supplied those scriptures. Do yourself a favour: Read at least the full chapter of those scriptures you quoted, to minimize how far out of context you take them, then read the explanations I have given to you. Thereafter, FEEL FREE TO RAISE WHATEVER ISSUE YOU FIND.
Otherwise, keep your ignorance to yourself. In my own part of the world, when there are things we don't understand, we ask questions to learn about them with an open mind, rather than trying to form expert with our limited and dilute knowledge.

Deut20: INSTRUCTION FOR WARS.
This chapter basically gave the modality for wars by the ISRAELI ARMY at the time. The guidelines were:
1. Regardless of the enemies armoury, the SOLDIERS should never be afraid, knowing that they had God's presence with them.

2. The priests would come to address the ARMY, telling the not to act cowardly, reemphasizing to them that the LORD their God was with them to give them Victory.

3. THE OFFICERS in the army, would then come to address the SOLDIERS saying:
*'If any of you has built a new house and not dedicated it, planted a vineyard and not begun to enjoy its fruit, or engaged to a woman but yet to marry her, let him return". So that in the case of a casualty at war, they don't miss out on those things they would leave behind.
*" if any of you is afraid or cowardly, let him return, so that his fear doesn't melt the hearts of others "
4. After the OFFICERS finish addressing the ARMY, They would appoint MILITARY COMMANDERS to lead it.
5. When the army approaches a city, THEY MUST FIRST MAKE AN OFFER OF PEACE. only when this offer gets turned down with the enemy instead choosing to wage war against ISRAEL, would the army lay siege to it.
For a nation that accept the terms of PEACE, the people there would be made to serve ISRAEL. However, for those who choose to war against them, THE MALES would be killed, while THE WOMEN, CHILDREN and everything else would be taken as plunder. THEY WERE TO TREAT EVERY NATION IN THIS MANNER.

VERSE 17: This verse states that the CANINITES, HIVITES etc should not be treated in the manner above, rather they should be completely destroyed. WHERE IS THE PART WHICH STATES THE REASON FOR THIS AS BEING THEIR LACK OF BELIEF IN YAHWEH? IT DOSEN'T EXIST. WHY? BECAUSE, THAT WASN'T THE REASON. IF IT WAS, THE ARMY WOULD HAVE BE INSTRUCTED TO TREAT ALL NATIONS THAT DIDN'T BELIEVE IN YAHWEH IN A LIKE MANNER.

The only reason that was given for the EXCEPTIONAL treatment of those folks was that ISRAEL was to dispossess them.
WHY? THEIR SINS HAD REACHED ITS FULL MEASURE.
These people also descended from HAM, NOAH'S youngest. And Noah had placed them under a curse during his lifetime.
WHEN a nation's sins became too much, it was what made God destroy them, not for them not believing in Him.That's how it was with the folks in Noah's days, those in SODOM and GOMORRAH, the CANAANITES and HIVITES, the AMALEKITES whom KING SAUL was instructed to destroy, and so it will be with this CURRENT age when it comes to an end. IT'S THEIR SINS.

It must have been a tough search for you man.
When I asked for reference, I didn't expect you to ever find any, because I know the God I serve.

You know your dad by nature dislikes alcohol, so much that even if he was to be paid to take it, he'd rather pay to not take it. Someone out of his own misconception is then making claims on his sight of your father taking alcohol. You'd tell him to bring proofs knowing fully well that he'd never find any. Why? Cos your experience with your father is REAL to you, and not just some fairy tale.

hopefulLandlord:
Numbers 21:2-3; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 6:17, 21
1 Samuel 15; Numbers 31

Perhaps you didn't get the question right. I didn't ask for references to where killings happened. I said where God ordered that people or infants be killed simply because they didn't believe in Him. That was a claim you made in one of your posts.

Num 21:2-3- The Canaanite king defeated. This part doesn't eve. come close, because God didn't even order a killing at all. Read it well please. The King fought against Israel, and captured some of them as prisoners. Then Israel prayed to God for a victory against him, and they got it. Isn't it the Almightiness of God and his safe watch his people that this story highlights, rather than what you're referencing it to, to which it holds no connection?

darkchild64:
what I wanted from you was a simple YES or NO telling me that Jesus omniscient pertains to us humans is unreasonable

Someone who is omniscient KNOWS EVERYTHING,that is the definition of omniscience,now if Jesus DOESN'T KNOW something even if it is just one thing that he DOESN'T KNOW then he is not omniscient

And I have put it to you that He surely knows EVERYTHING. The one thing you're holding on to, he must have now learnt. Make sense now?

Meanwhile, other than the timing of His return, what else do you think He doesn't know? What if he actually chose while on earth not to ask the Father about it? Or what if, now that He's back in heaven, he already knows the time? Does your argument then still hold.

Someone knows everything but one, and that one thing, he has either learnt now, and can learn if he so chooses. That by all standards qualifies Him as OMNISCIENT.

Except you want to point out something else you think he may not know.

darkchild64:
The way some Christians talk sometimes leaves you bewildered and asking if this is an adult talking or a baby

Meaning?
So now an answer comes out different from what you want, and you want to call names. JESUS IS OMNISCIENT. If you wanna believe otherwise, suit yourself.

darkchild64:
BEAUTIFUL,JUST BEAUTIFUL

so let me ask you a very simple question,answers yes or no

IS JESUS OMNISCIENT ?

Yes, he is OMNISCIENT at least with regards to everything that pertains to us humans.

hadow:
and @op it is clear you don't really study your bible you seem to be living from hand to mouth spiritually and meditatively

And you know this because?

hadow:
don't get Me wrong I am a christian but I don't subscribe to such beliefs simply because they are unbiblical

What beliefs exactly?

darkchild64:
Let me get this straight,Christians say Jesus is God and that means that everything God possesses Jesus possesses, now God is supposedly omniscient and if I am tight that means he knows[b]everything[/b],the only LOGICAL conclusion we can make of this is this

1. JESUS IS NOT GOD WHICH EXPLAINS WHY HE IS NOY OMNISCIENT
2 JESUS IS GOD BUT HE IS NOT OMNISCIENT HENCE GOD IS NOT OMNISCIENT

these are the only reasonable explanation I can think of u can't tell me Jesus is God and so is supposedly omniscient but DOESN'T KNOW the time of his second coming

Obiora is Eze's only son. Eze is the King, does that make Obiora King? At least by prospects. People would greet Eze "Your Highness" would they be wrong in greeting Obiora in the same manner?
Jesus came to die on the cross, does it mean that it was Yahweh that was nailed to the cross? No.
In attributes they are the same as God. But they are still different personalities- in terms of roles- that make up the Trinity.

If they were exactly the same in every sense, why would Jesus yet pray to God the Father? Why would he need God the Father to give Him a name that's higher than all others. The details about when the Son returns is only to be known by God- this time, God the Father specifically.

zamirikpo:
My paddy how far .....US fed rates. Pls update me. Am not following.

I'm cool o. I've just been looking around for vehicles with faster velocities but which still have great safety prospects. So I have been observing happenings at the stock market lately. Entered late in January and at a point almost lost 25%. But I have since reduced my exposure, and there's been a part reversal on those losses.

On rates, Timmy posted yesterday that it was at 1.25-1.50%. The target is for inflation to reach 2%. If that happens, then the Fed may hike rate to about 2%. This will at least guarantee that money market yields in Nigeria remain upwards of 15%.

I learnt there's a new chairman though after grandma Janet's term ended, and wasn't renewed. I hope his thoughts on rates align with Grandma's.

legislatively:
Seun, you cannot convince religious fanatics that things just happen without any interference from God, it's a psychological thing and religion is a big precursor of delusion...

The universe is simple and very understandable, things happen inline with time and no supernatural power interfere

So in your own eye, you're smarter than the likes of Einstein, who having learnt so much about our universe, concluded that it must have been designed?