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Sarassin: So, for those who still maintain 100% there are no errors or contradictions in the Bible,

I leave you with the words of a very famous early church leader, no lesser a fellow than Origen, in his book Against Celsus had the following to say;
“the differences amongst the manuscripts have become great, either through the negligence of some copyists or through the perverse audacity of others, they either neglect to check over what they have transcribed, or, in the process of checking, they make additions or deletions as they please.”

There you have it.

@Sarassin

Haba! Sarassin!! Come back right in here. Dont made a hasty exit!!!

Don't think you'll get off that lightly or get away with that

No one is alluding that the Bible translation is 100% error or contradictions free.

Of course, it is riddled with contradictions

Bible translation(s) isn't God inspired - bet you know that much

Just need to know that eating the chicken, chewing the meat and spitting out the bones is the sensible plan for reading Bible(s)

If unable to chew meat and spit bones out at the same time,

then get someone to remove the bones whilst eating or munching, is all what's suggested, said and/or alluded

Ayandaseyi: Elisha rejected all the gifts given to him by laman dat he healed from leprosy by the power of God.

how many Nigeria pastors can reject such offer from most especially politicians

josh001: I personally know one who was offered a car and he rejected it,

that was after praying and that person experienced a turnaround,

that most eggs in a basket are bad does not mean that all are bad.

Well, I don't know much about rejecting such offer(s) from most especially politicians

but do you want to know, of one, I personally read about,

who received the gift of a private jet from his congregation as an anniversary gift?

Private jet, as birthday gift from church members?

RoyPCain: @babagnoni;

i don't know where you stand because you seem to be leaning on the fence of it's impossible

while i am of the believe that not all the 'Doing' of God in human is appreciated or realized by all men, hence the proposition of this thread.

the knowledge of replicating the limp [prosthesis, transplant] are from God.

like freewill, God provides it and allows man to activate it.

it is the good intention of good action of man that benefits.

@RoyPCain

RoyPCain, what the OP asked, from the on-set, was: "Is It Impossible For God To Grow Back Amputated Limbs?"

whatofyou, rightly pointed out, and note, it was not flesh and blood that directed him to it,

that God, at one time, in Luke 22:47-51; picked up a freshly cut-off ear, reattaches it back healed

- God DID NOT grow the ear back or grow back amputated limb(s) for that matter

The preceding, above, is partly why, my stand was, God is not in the business of directly or personally growing back amputated limbs

Reiterating, when it comes to achieving this miracle and others (e.g. GROWING back amputated limbs, growing back any or all of the 32 adult permanent teeth et cetera) it is going to be realised via people (i.e. man) in the medical field, sector or arena

With this arrangement, it will be well within the confines of God abiding by His word or rule(s), one of which is:
Let them, man; have dominion, take dominion over the earth; dominion as in control et cetera

It is man's call or challenge, to grow back amputated limb, not God's,

and this miracle can or will happen, inasmuch, as man's spirit is willing, and the body is not weak.

whatofyou: Miracles are spiritual acts. They also follow physical laws of presence on every person they were acted upon.

That is, be it a bad eye, a sick ear, a dead person et c., each of these members had to be present. Miracles entails faith.

In this case, faith entails a soon- to- be- amputated person refusing to give the go-ahead order for the amputation after the doctor must have affirmed the procedure as the solution to the present situation, believing that God will heal his or her diseased limb.

I have seen and heard about testimonies of this one.

During accidents, when the limb has been severed off the body, faith entails you joining the severed limb with the other members of the body and believing they will be one or whole again.

Remember Marcus' ear and Peter encounter. These are faith based.

Do you believe? There is nothing impossible for God, only if you believe. Believe!

Naturally, the limbs like some other specialised parts of the body are not regenerative.

It is like losing a permanent tooth and praying that another one grows back in its place! But with God ...

Well said and the servant’s name was Malchus

Just shows that, if God was, again physically down on earth, He's got no qualms restoring or putting back a freshly cut off limb

Indeed, the time is coming, and it is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth.

The Father is looking for people like that to worship him

and not the ones staging publicity stunts, playing to the gallery and seeking vain or cheap popularity

Ajibam: Velasquez’s parents tried to get the video removed,

but the anonymous figure who posted it declared he wouldn’t take it down . . .

http://www.charismanews.com/us/42243-world-s-ugliest-woman-proves-that-jesus-makes-all-things-beautiful

devil incarnate!

You intended harm, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done and to bring it about as it is, this day.

Alleluia! Praise the Lord!!

Horus: I know that there was a tribe in Africa that can grow back amputated limbs but I cant remember their name.

Their limbs were growing back naturally after few months without doing anything.

It was a natural phenomenon for them

RoyPCain: since a contributor said that an african tribe has the natural phenomenon to grow limbs,

that settles it . . .

I will take the contributor's, with a pitch of salt

Human extremities (e.g. limbs of the body) once amputated or removed, do not grow back, like some body organs such as the liver, parts of the eye etc does

Suffice to say, for now, transplants or prosthesis' are the only options for recovering the loss

dorox: Everybody gets where you are driving at,

just that most of them would rather choose to ignore it

because of the implication it will have on their belief in miracles

and the pastors proclaiming to perform them

Reiterating growing back amputated limbs is one such miracle you wont get at the pulpit or from crusades

Just as flying in the air as we do now, did not originate from the pulpit nor come from crusades, revivals or what-not

God is not in the business of directly or personally growing back amputated limbs at the pulpit, from crusades, revivals or what-not.

Still wondering why God would hold back that one miracle (i.e. grow back amputated limbs?)

Well, it is because He is abiding by His word or rules, one of which is:
Let them, man; have dominion, take dominion over the earth; dominion as in control et cetera

Achieving this miracle and others (e.g. growing back amputated limbs, growing back any or all of the 32 adult permanent teeth et cetera) is going to be realised via people (i.e. man) in the medical field, sector or arena

Sarassin: This is a fudge, and you know it.

Read Luke 24 (KJV) in its entirety, it is a contiguous narrative. In verse 4, Dr. Luke uses the same terms "and it came to pass" to describe an on-going event i.e the perplexity of those who sought out Jesus body, the usage of the term in that context is not one of days later, unless you choose to argue otherwise. In verse 15, the same mechanism obtains.
In verse 36 Jesus appears in the midst of the disciples and it is one continuous narrative from that point till verse 50 where he leads them as far as Bethany and blesses his disciples, we then see the use of the term you have highlighted, are you suggesting Jesus blessed his disciples, went home came back forty days later as Dr. Luke implies in Acts, blessed his disciples again and then got taken away ? or what exactly ?

It is a clear contradiction even by the same author, but it happens and does not detract from the substantive message of Jesus which is greater than the sum of all the contradictions in the scriptures.

Bunkum!. Pulpit Commentary does not have hangs up with Luke 24:4 but does rather with Luke 24:51 and you know it

oluafolabi: Thanks Frosbel.

From my research, there is no single known case of an amputee growing limbs back.

Just wondering why God would hold back that one miracle that could be easily verifiable

and even bring more 'faithless' people back to him?

@oluafolabi

First, God is not in the business of directly or personally growing back amputated limbs

God, like in the past, uses people

and for this case too, is going to use other people grow back amputated limbs.

You wondering why God would hold back that one miracle (i.e. grow back amputated limbs?)

Well, it is because He is abiding by His word or rules, one of which is:
Let them, man; have dominion, take dominion over the earth; dominion as in control et cetera

Growing back amputated limbs is one such miracle you wont get at the pulpit or from crusades

just as flying in the air as we do now, did not originate from the pulpit nor come from crusades, revivals or what-not

Where will the buck stop? Eh?.

Now, today, it is growing back amputated limbs

I can bet you, tomorrow it'll be about the paraplegic.

Keep on researching, we need the researches to continue for the realisation of this medical miracle

However researching in the right places, researching the right way with being right with God, is the right and better way of finding and getting answers

Vilicious: rubbish

[quote author=Demain_man]Double rubbish!![/quote]There is no satisfying you lot

By the way, it is wrong to seek only what God can do (e.g. grow back amputated limbs)

and not seek God Himself or be truly interested in Him at all

Just this bit, short, calling y'all: evil and godless people of this day, asking for a miracle as a sign

Bet y'all are part of the lot that were waiting to sprout wings before the prospect of flying in air

God has already done His bit of depositing in us, the skills and possibility of growing back amputated limbs

He is waiting on us, to activate the & that part of the brain which will trigger or kick-start growing back amputated limbs now or in a future event.

Maybe that person holding back and holding the miracle up for everyone else is YOU!

@OP

Na wa ooo. Wonders shall never cease
I thought it was earlier reported as a MOG Kidnap:
- We all thought the "man of God" and his family, for real, were being kidnapped.

News:terrorists In Military Uniform Kidnap Pastor And Six Of His Children[pics]
https://www.nairaland.com/1574776/news-terrorists-military-unifrom-kidnap
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^{"Abducted" pastor - Rev. Godson Akubuiro and some of his children}

OLAADEGBU: "And it came to pass, while He blessed them, He was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
And they worshipped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy" (Luke 24:51-52).

Where did Dr. Luke state that Jesus ascended to heaven on the day of His resurrection in the verses quoted above?

Do you know what "And it came to pass" means?

Ouch! Ghen-ghen!!

You've been openly declaring in the presence of many, confessed and professed a good profession before many witnesses too,

protecting the faith of those whom the false teachers seek to hoodwink or influence

and, if possible, win back those who have strayed.

You're fighting a good fight. You surely will finish the race or course, at the rate you're keeping the faith.

You will enjoy the fruit of your labor. How joyful and prosperous you will be!

For God is not unjust; He will not forget your work

and the love you have shown Him as you have helped His people and continue to help them

oluafolabi: First of all, thank you for trying to give answers.

Now, You deviated a lot from the original question by inputting a lot of things that didn't actually answer the question.

From your answer, what I deduced was;
1) You think the 'limbless' form is temporary so why should God waste his time in giving limbs to a being that will soon die.
But why will God also heal brain tumours and blind people since that form is also temporary?
2) You think he can actually do it but he won't because it might lead to pride in the individuals used.
But how come he supposedly used some individuals to raise dead people even though they might become proud after?
3)Every other answer you gave are just the usual parambulations meant to confuse people but not give actual answers.

God will do anything for Love

but for reasons best known to Him, He seemingly won't necessarily grow back amputated limbs for reasons earlier touched

and also because of healing brain tumors, blind people et cetera are less sensational

and it wouldn't generate the great public interest and excitement like healing an amputee will do

I think God is waiting on us, to figure out how to

Growing back amputated limbs will be the norm once the grow teeth back milestone is reached.

oluafolabi: A good evening to all religious folks.

So I was on twitter this evening and I saw a tweet from a follower of mine asking why 'pastors' and 'miracle workers' alike haven't accepted the challenge to perform miracles under well examined conditions.

I knew his challenge would easily be discarded by the believers using the bible verse 'Thou shalt not test thy Lord thy God' .

Then it suddenly occurred to me , there is an acceptable form of miracle that could be verified and will put to rest every argument about miracles being fabricated. 'The healing of an human with amputated limbs' .

Then I wondered, why haven't we seen/heard a miracle being performed on anyone with amputated limbs?

Is it because such type of miracle would be impossible to fabricate?

Or does it mean the God that could supposedly raise up dead people, make blind see, make the deaf hear (and other usual miracles we get to hear about) finds it difficult to perform a simple regeneration of cells and bones?

Is it impossible?

If impossible, wouldn't it become a contradiction to the common biblical saying that 'There is nothing impossible for God' ?

I would like enlightened religious folks to educate me and provide references if possible.

Thank you. And Happy new year in advance.

@OP

The world is passing away with all its desires, but the person who does the will of God remains forever

Three things will last forever - faith, hope, and love - and the greatest of these is love.

For we know that when this earthly body we live in is taken down (i.e. when we die and leave these bodies)

We will not be spirits without bodies, but we will put on new heavenly bodies.

These current bodies, limps et cetera are temporary

It is possible to grow back amputated limbs and be made whole

However, the thing is, there are few people and far in between that can take the mantle and over time, not buckle
They will recede into the abyss of pride with and/or from delusions of grandeur

https://saharareporters.com/sites/default/files/page_images/articles/2011/oyedepo_slap.jpg

God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.
Now humility isn't actually humility, unless you're good enough at something to be humble.

The man Moses knew the magnitude of the power he was endowed with
and so was very humble, more than any man who was on the face of the earth
and God used him mightily to do the impossibles

If My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves,
and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then I will . . .

Sarassin: @OP I have a question for you regarding the ascension of Jesus, in what to my mind seems a contradiction.

Perhaps you or anyone else could help clarify ?

In the Gospel of Luke, concerning the resurrection and ascension of Jesus (24:51-52) we read the following;
“ And it happened that while he was blessing them, he was removed from them and they returned to Jerusalem with great joy”, this being on the same day of the resurrection. (Luke 24 makes it very clear Jesus had not been alive 40 days prior)

It is accepted that Luke is also the author of the book of Acts, the same author, Luke in his second narrative in Acts (1:1-11) with particular attention to verse 3 states “Jesus showed himself alive……being seen of them forty days….”

Why would the same author in one volume state Jesus ascended to heaven on the day of his resurrection,

and in another volume state he ascended after forty days ?

Do you actually believe there is a contradiction there ?

There seemingly is a contradiction, Yep and so.

What's the story morning glory? No offense

Don't the two verses, both agree that Jesus resurrected and later ascended? Huh?

In the same vein, isn't there a consistency(ies) here?

What do expect from from passed down translations, eh?

Not insinuating you are one but this is one of those typical "Rookie errors"

because the last clause, "was carried up into heaven" or “and began to be borne up to heaven” appearing in that verse,

is actually absent from some, albeit not from the majority of the older/ancient manuscripts

and as a result is also omitted in some modern translations too.

Give brother Luke a break, remember he didn't know Jesus directly and was not an eye-witness of Jesus' ministry

He gathered his information from other eye-witness' and did his best

Now, let's amuse or stimulate ourselves; throw a cat among pigeons - You never know, maybe He ascended twice!

Sarassin: You really should get rid of the chip on your shoulder, its rather weighing you down heavily.

More dissembling from you.

Accusations of barefaced lies and fabrication from a poster who claims Jesus is God,..........priceless!

Like you said, i need say no more.

Wonders shall never cease , talk about the pot calling the kettle black

Sarassin: There's really no need for you to throw your toys out of your pram.

I expected reasoned opinion from you, however like the rest of your hordes the red mist descends amidst a vitriolic haze whenever legitimate questions are asked of a religion you clearly know nothing about, yet profess an adherence to. Here's food for thought.

"Conclusions however can be reached on the basis of evidence and reasoning from other verses that Jesus is NOT God, never claimed to be, nor asked to be worshipped as God."

Have a good day.

". . . throw your toys out of your pram"

- Ah! Cor blimey, what an original remark Saracen
- Congratulations. Do you want a medal or a chest to pin it on?

You know your problem, Sarassin?

You're far too quick to descend to barefaced lies and fabrication with people who disagree with your stance.

and so your shift and switch from "Jesus is Lord, is God and was worshiped" on hand to "Jesus is NOT God, never claimed to be, nor asked to be worshipped as God."

I rest my case and need say no more.

Have a good day too, friend, brother.

Sarassin: I take it from the turkey-speak above that you do not agree with me.

Of course there is no such explicit verse in the Good Book, it amounts to little more than a pious indulgence to claim Jesus is God. Frankly I could care less.

Your arguments are not that clever, it is painfully obvious whom and what Jesus referred Satan to.

It is crystal clear that the context of the use of the word "worship" in connection with the magi and King Herod was "homage" or "obeisance".

I guess since half-baked ministers have taken over, all the sunday schools have gone to the dogs!

Judges in England are addressed "Your worship". I suppose you think they are God and are worshipped too.??

@Sarassin

Saracen, DBS and please wipe off the smug look.

Listen to yourself and think how possibly can judges in England be God and worshiped too? Hmm? SMH.

Saracen, "Your worship" is merely an English tradition which is a form of address for magistrates, mayors and certain other dignitaries

Now this is wiping the egg on your face and correcting your over-sabi, fake image plus your straw man false claim:

Judges are addressed, ACTUALLY as "My Lord"/"My Lady" and referred to as "Your Lordship"/"Your Ladyship"

Wonder what was peculiar about this child that the magi and a King; Herod, would want to pay "homage" or "obeisance" to Him?

No precedent to this. The Magi and a King Herod thing had never happened before and hasn't happened, again, since that, one incident.

We all agree that, of course there is no such explicit verse

conclusions however, can be reached on the basis of evidences and reasoning from other verses, that Jesus is Lord, is God and was worshiped

Sarassin, for all I care, this topic, at this juncture, can Go and DIE!

[quote author=Dada-Stephen]At the White House, May 2013.[/quote]Eeny, meeny, miny, moe, which of them is photoshopped telling porkies
- At the White House my foot

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Sarassin: I believe you will be waiting a long time for that one verse, rather you will get hundreds of verses, allegories, inferences, extrapolations, but never the explicit statement you seek. The fact of the matter is Jesus never said any such nonsense as "worship me I am God" and why would he? To a first century Jew it would be anathema. Worse is the fact that Jesus wrote nothing down, or at least his writings never survived therefore there are no accurate renderings of what he actually said. None of the gospel writers wre witnesses or contemporaries, our most reliable and earliest gospel writer, the anonymous author of Mark was not actually aware of the "virgin birth" of Jesus neither were majority of first century Jews.

I await said verse with interest.

@Sarassin

You'll wait sotay, and be on a lonnnnnng thing. Sorry

There is no verse per se, to repeat or quote verbatim from, for dareabiola98 or for you

Are you both happy and now pleased?

However on the basis of evidence and reasoning from other verses, it is a fact, Jesus is Lord, is God and was worshiped

In Luke 4:8: when satani, told Jesus he will give things to Jesus if he Jesus will fall down and worship satani

Jesus answered satani, saying: “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.”

Sarassin, we wonder whatever is it, the Magi did, when they went to meet Jesus to do what they did and why?

Sarassin, we also wonder whatever is it Herod lied about, that he too, would like to do same, as the Magi. Huh?

What was it the Magi did to Jesus?

Y'all should just suck it up and pack in the whinging!!!

dareabiola98: Did jesus speak english abi wetin be homage for this talk....

OK, dareabiola98, I hear you

but please when someone does a "proskuneo" or is it a "prosekunesan" with a spiritual reverence to it, what has that someone just done?

dareabiola98: I might add that the Greek word used for what the Biblical editors mistranslate as "Worshipped" is 'prosekunesan'. 

It is derived from 'proskuneo' (4352), which literally means bow, crouch, crawl, kneel or prostrate. 

Interestingly, there is absolutely no text of prayer associated with the recorded acts of "prosekuneo" to Jesus{peace be upon him} in the Bible.

That is why, for example when dealing with the subject of the three wise sages encountering the infant Jesus{peace be upon him} as recorded in Mathew 2:11,

instead of using the word "worshipped", the 'New English Bible' translates the text of the quoted verse as: "bowed to the ground". 

Furthermore, in the 'New Revised Standard Version' the text of the quoted verse reads: "they knelt down and paid him homage"

Omi eko, eko noni.

Carry go, go siddon jaare

Homage is worship, whether you like it or not.

dareabiola98: 1. U mean to tell me Satan who was aware that Jesus created(abi no be him be the creator ni) him was gelling God to worship Him.
2. Does Jesus's reply mean he's to be worshipped...he said worship your lord and serve him only(if he was God,he would have said me,abi can't u read these things ur posting ni)(only wc jesus used there proves God is 1 (monotheism) wc u don't believe in)
3. Jesus demonstrated that u should worship the lord only when he also worship in gethsame and many other places.
4. You mean to tell me that God was worshiping another God.this ur reply vividly claims that jesus neva was worth worshiping..if he was satan wouldn't direct that question to him..as u know very well that God worship no one(wc jesus did)...and even after he had directed the question...for the benefit of the 2billion christians today,u think jesus couldn't have said.."I am God,I bow to no one"...rather than jesus directing him to worship another lord...because in the composition of jesus's reply,he was reffering to a third person.

On the basis of evidence and reasoning from other verses, Jesus is Lord and was worshiped

In Luke 4:8: when satani, told Jesus he will give things to Jesus if he Jesus will fall down and worship satani

Jesus answered satani, saying: “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.”

So dareabiola98 we wonder whatever is it the Magi did, when they went to meet Jesus to do what they did and why?

dareabiola98 we also wonder whatever is it Herod lied about, that he too, would like to do same, as the Magi. Huh?

What was it the Magi did to Jesus?

Answer now!

[quote author=From_Guiriga]

Why is so hard to say that there is no such verse?

If there is no such verse then be honest with the man and yourself and say there is no such verse.

Simple.

Give thanks.
[/quote]@From_Guiriga @dareabiola98

It is not hard, we were just guiding, steering and trying to turn a mischievous prank vehicle in the right direction

OK, hands up!

There is no verse per se, to repeat or quote verbatim from for dareabiola98

Are you both happy and now pleased?

However on the basis of evidence and reasoning from other verses, Jesus is Lord and was worshiped

In Luke 4:8: when satani, told Jesus he will give things to Jesus if he Jesus will fall down and worship satani

Jesus answered satani, saying: “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.”

dareabiola98 & From_Guiriga, we wonder whatever is it the Magi did, when they went to meet Jesus to do what they did and why?

dareabiola98 & From_Guiriga we also wonder whatever is it Herod lied about, that he too, would like to do same, as the Magi. Huh?

What was it the Magi did?

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]How can a son of a Spiritual Force/God be a man?

A son of a God has to be of the same species right?

Can a dog give birth to a chicken?

WHAT NONSENSE! [/quote]@PAGAN 9JA

PAGAN 9JA, don't work yourself up unnecessarily

"A son of a God has to be of the same species right?"

@^^^
- Yes, that is right

and that Son of God, in Heaven, is the sort, God the Father is, in Heaven (i.e. Spirit)

now that Son of God, on Earth, is the sort, man is, on Earth (i.e. homo sapiens)

"Can a dog give birth to a chicken"?

@^^^
- No! Tufiakwa!!

Dogs can not give birth to chickens. "Nor can a zebra give birth to a dog". It is impossible and even unlikely God will permit it

but that does not preclude God from not generating or producing Himself to be in Heaven and Earth at the same time

"WHAT NONSENSE!"

@^^^
- No! Sire!!
Beg to differ because with man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.
Everything spoken by God is possible

Oluwa (i.e. Lord)
Oluwa wa (i.e. Our Lord)
Olorun (i.e. Owner of Heaven)
Alewilese (i.e. He that can Speak and Act)
Aleselewi (i.e. He that can Act and Speak)
Olorun to le se ohun gbogbo (i.e. Owner of Heaven who can do all things)
Alagbara lorun ati laye (i.e. Powerful in heaven and on the earth)
Oba onise nla (i.e. Worker of regal and great things)
Onise iyanu (i.e. Miracle worker)

Pastor Kun: Jesus NEVER claimed to be God,

rather he made it clear on several occasions that he is the only begotten son of God and he was sent to mankind by God.

So not on point! Lobatan!!! Jesus Wept!!!

Where is the Dislike click or link when you need one?

dareabiola98: Shey na yoruba u wan make I speak....this is a really critical issue here...a matter of heaven or hell..

do u think jesus will joke with such a matter that he wouldn't talk explicitly....

u claim Jesus isn't god, but if I request u to pray... All I hear in ur prayer is Jesus's name...

The most famous of which is "Jesu Oluwa wa". A clear and explicit verse is all I need

From jesus himself....na who send every other pple work,na dem God send.

@dareabiola98

Image123 inspite of the clear and obvious shenanigan has responded succinctly

but if you are not satisfied with his response, then the verse you are after is:

Luke 4:8:
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.”

dareabiola98, I wonder what the Magi did when they did what they did and why?

dareabiola98, I wonder what Herod lied about that, he too, would like to do same, as the Magi. Huh?

"The most famous Jesu Oluwa wa" traditionally is due to the below verses and commandment

John 14:11
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

John 14:12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father

John 14:13
And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son

harbiola1: The above is righteousness by faith.

Is righteousness by faith enough to make heaven or there is need for righteousness by work?

@harbiola1

No! Righteousness of God and not righteousness by faith.

I don't know where you pull out your "righteousness by faith" or "accepting Jesus as a lamp" strings from.

It is the righteousness of God by faith and not just mere righteousness by faith

The righteousness of God is being right with Him,

- Right in thought, action or deed 24/7, Right in the timing 24/7, Right and on His good side 24/7,

This is impossible to achieve but with the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ received via Jesus Christ, it is possible

The righteousness of God received by faith, as in believing in the heart

and with work as in the confession with the mouth is what is enough to make heaven with

Any other righteousness (e.g. self-righteousness et cetera) is not the prior condition for making heaven

# @Image123 - age has nought with OP when it comes to minding the Father's business
# and @Joshthefirst - yes, OP, is an exploratory muslim

harbiola1: There is no need to be making our answers somehow unclear.

It is a simple question and believe the answer should be as simples Yes yes yes, or No no no.

Now what i understand here is that, Jesus died for everyone's sin though, but until u profess that he did, he hasn't done it for you.

And if you're unable to accept Jesus as a Lamp due to some circumstances, then you will still pay the debt of adam's sin here but u're free from it in afterlife.

What Merit do those that accepted Jesus as a lamp have over those that didn't on judgement day?

@harbiola1

Sorry, we all were trying to assist, to where the penny drops.

Provide information which will lead you to the point, where, this matter of interest and importance to you, becomes clear

and you then gain the understanding, all and entirely by yourself.

harbiola1, you beg for simplicity (e.g. "answer should be as simples Yes yes yes, or No no no")

when you are not even ready to be like a child - prepare to humble self like the child Jesus called to Himself

harbiola1, I can guarantee this truth: Unless one changes and become like little children, one will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.

Back on course. The niggling problem, God is aiming to resolve once and for all, is SIN.

That been done. Now, if one, is then privileged to live on earth, then there is the chance of exposure to the knowledge of what Jesus has done

and so the opportunity to believe or disbelieve that Jesus died, not only for our sin nature but also for all our acts of sin.

I don't know anything about "accepting Jesus as a lamp" or what you are on about with accepting Jesus as a lamp

Fundamentally, it is about accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior,

It is with your heart that you believe and are justified,

and it is with your mouth that you confess your belief that He Jesus owns you and saved you

You ask: "What Merit do those that accepted Jesus have over those that didn't on judgement day?"

Merit? Merit? What merit do those that accepted Jesus have over those that didn't on judgement day?

Simply? Well simply, the merit, they have over those that didn't on judgement day is the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ.

We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ

and receive this righteousness which is given through belief in Jesus Christ and what He has done.

God made Jesus who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Jesus we might become the righteousness of God

The age of innocence, would be a technicality in favor of some of those that didn't verbally or consciously accept Jesus by Judgement day, harbiola1

harbiola1: I hope I'm correct if i say Jesus didn't die for such child since he had to pay for his/her iniquity?

Then, where is his/her afterlife abode, Hell or Heaven?

@harbiola1

Jesus died for the sin of the world, the whole wide world

Jesus' death is the substitution of the death which was the penalty or wages of sin

Jesus' blood cleansed, that one time, continually washes, so no stain of sin, of the past, present and future remains or sticks.

The price of sin is paid - all personal sins and the Adamic sin

Now the child does not stand condemned when a child dies at infanthood before knowing anything about Jesus

or without the opportunity to believe or disbelieve that Jesus died not only for our sin nature but also for all our acts of sin

harbiola1, you grossly underestimate the level headedness of God

God is equitable, dealing fairly and equally with everyone

He is Just, Right and Impartial; fair and reasonable

So just as you asked, Where is that child died at infanthood afterlife abode, Hell or Heaven?

Surely, it is not in the lake of fire, which is the second death, where Death and Hades were thrown into.

[quote author=lana_Vello]God makes the decisions and is in charge of judgement.[/quote]

harbiola1: How does this answer the question?

@harbiola1

lana_Vello answered the question succinctly.

In the overall scheme of things, the child had a purpose, just as Jesus, the bigger picture, too had a purpose.

Age of innocence

- the child is assessed in relation to the child's peculiar circumstance or background.

There is no risk of miscarriage of justice concerning the fate of the child, as God is Omniscient, Righteous and Just

I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak

Each of us will give an account of ourselves to God

By your words you will be acquitted and by your words you will be condemned

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This Is It - Michael Jackson

@OP
- Hope from watching this video, they - Wizkid, Olamide, Iyanya, PSquare, 9ice, DavidO, Wande Cole, TuFace, D'Banj, Flavour N'abania et cetera pick up one of two things from this great epitome of an entertainer
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RIP Michael