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trustman: The Christian cannot equate himself with Jesus. He had inherent authority. We can only at best have delegated authority. The Apostles too were unique in their own way. They were pioneers. They were foundation layers.
You either address and depend onGod seeking his intervention in any issue or choose to handle it on your own way. There is no other Biblically prescribed way.

Image123: eweeeeeeeeee, just tuned in to check what's up here being a bit bored waiting for someone. See calamity escapism that I was welcomed with!! This dummy excuse can be used to not do anything or live a christlike life. Who is a disciple. Talk about biblical prescribed way, what an irony. Show them Genesis-Malachi, you go hear the story of your life and mumbo jumbo about Judaism. Show them Matthew-Revelation, na still tales by moonlight like the above quote. They may respond well to trite verbose weblinks though.

ihedinobi2: BabaGnoni, engage me productively if you will engage me at all or else I will ignore you. By asking what kind of prosperity is biblical I have given every potential respondent the right to define prosperity as they please. It will be my part to ask them to clarify any inconsistencies.

Also, I have not offered any argument that requires any kind of backing up so don't waste your time and energy asking me for Scriptures to back anything up. You must learn to differentiate between examinations and debates. If I were debating any objection here, I would be presenting a counter-argument to it. I have done so earlier in the course of examination and will do it again if the need arises. I have not done so right now, so don't ask me for any verses. When I do so, you have every right to demand for backing authority to my claims.

If you think you have an answer to any question, clearly state it like @trustman did and I will consider it. I don't know if the little voice in your head is giving me answers or if it's telling you to check those places and see if the answer is there.

Finally, I request that you desist from incessantly asking me to explain things I write. Shall I write a comprehensive summary on every statement I make? You should be able to point out what problems you have with any statement I make.

Nevertheless, thank you for responding at all.

ihedinobi2: In addition, I have stated severally thar the visuals of the posts on this thread make them difficult to read. You do have a right to write how you want but if you expect me to read, please substantially minimize your use of the "underline", "italics", "bold text" and "color". They make your posts too tedious for my eyes.

This is just to say that if you respond to me with posts written up like that, I may be unable to respond appreciably, if at all, to you because I may be unable to read them appreciably, if at all.

ihedinobi2: Hi everyone.

I think we can safely assume that the objection to addressing circumstances vocally is not Bible-based.
I'm judging by the fact that the Bible clearly states that the extent of the Christian's authority covers exactly what the Lord Jesus's does
and that the believer can vocally address circumstances and have them obey him or her.

If anyone is willing, we can check another objection.

This time, it is prosperity. The questions are:

1. What kind of prosperity is biblical and what kind is not?

2. Is it biblical to deliberately and actively pursue this kind above?

3. If it is, what is the biblical way to pursue it?


PS. As I said before, if any post has already addressed these questions, links and culls from the post where they were addressed would do just as good as any fresh composition. There is no need to compose new posts if you feel that some post has already answered them.

ihedinobi2: You're quite determined to decide whether my name goes on your list of enemies, aren't you?

ihedinobi2: The eyes are yours. You are free to see what you want.

Only one characteristic is my requirement for anyone on this thread: a willingness to engage me productively. It matters nothing their marital status or educational attainment.

You failed to see also that BabaGnoni was himself dodging questions I asked with his own post. Like I said, the eyes are yours...

The acceptable start is always that these people are your family.
If they are in error, THEY need to be corrected. Not destroyed.
The absence of mercy and compassion is strong evidence of the absence of Christ Himself

ihedinobi2: The post directly below it was and still is my answer. Was it too ambiguous?

ihedinobi2: I just addressed the people I was immediately conscious of. That did not preclude anyone from responding though. And as my response to @trustman proves, even people I do not tag who respond to a tagged post of mine will get my attention.



I think you may have gotten quite a ways ahead of yourself and even me in the above response. Questions are not an argument. I did not state in that post that Jesus's words can or cannot be used to draw a parallel to what this thread is doing.

If Jesus went to the homes of the people he denounced so terribly, does that not raise a question concerning the "not visiting a heretic's home" part? Bonus question, if you please.




I didn't rush off to post, bro. I attempted to read and apart from the difficulty in the visuals of each post, there were too many objections and whatnot to keep up with. What I have done is to try and take issues one at a time and enable simpler, less anxious and less aggressive discussion.




Ok then. My response to him is my response to you as well, then.

Candour: My bro, at the bolded, could it be God

Of course God had the final say. Even if they were disappointed, they're foot soldiers and are expected to obey the last command.

God is God and he always has the final decision.

God bless you jare

ihedinobi2: ^^ My questions are rather simple, bro.

ihedinobi2: @BabaGnoni
@DrummaBoy

Can any of you give me some examples of places where Jesus was "naming and shaming" Pharisees and religious leaders of His day?
Can any of you explain how and why He accepted their invitations to their homes and their hospitality and their own personal visits to Him?
Can any of you show me parallels between what you're doing and what He did in His day?

@topic

A lot has been and is being said and I find the thread a bit too tedious to read. I think I'll take things in bite sizes.

To start with, let me warn everyone who will judge my responses to be very conscious of my first post on this thread.

Now, I have one question: Is it biblical to speak to the situations and circumstances that you face and command them to fit a pattern?
Or rather, how does the Bible tell us to deal with the adverse circumstances of our lives?

Edit: if this question has been answered in any form on this thread already, a quote or reference to the particular post where it was answered will do. You need not repeat yourself. If the post is a long one, a quote containing the answer, that is, a culling of the portion containing the answer, would be far more appreciated than a link or a quote of the whole post.

psucc: No he lead them aright. milk and honey were symbolic.

inarguably, Israel has one of the best economy despite the arid land. This too just couldn't add up.

donsmall94: John 15:1-2 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

ihedinobi2: Interesting thread. The only problem with it is that it isn't meant to edify judging by the animosity on display.
I wonder if any of the brothers speaking has thought to stop
and imagine whether the same words that they use would have been Jesus's choice were He the one addressing the issue here.

I like the above post although I would modify it to read that there is true Faith and false or counterfeit Faith.
That is a very important thing to note, in my opinion.
True Faith is all about what God has said and committed Himself to.
I think that it would not be out of place to consider that Faith active and able.

False Faith, on the other hand, is all about lust. The focus of those proclamations are on consumption, accummulation, intake. At a particular point in my Walk with the Lord I had to pay attention to the whole Word of Faith issue (part of that period was documented here on Nairaland). At that time, I learned about this difference. False Faith betrays itself by its emphasis. Its emphasis is not on what God has said that He has given or why He has given it but on what the man wants. It tells the man to try to use his psychic energy to bend God or the environment to his will.

Even though this is a clear difference, in the time of need, the two Faiths can blur for the one in need. It would take the Mercy of the Lord and the Work of the Cross to get the needy child of God to actually tell the difference. Here's why it can be hard: God does promise to meet need. This is common to both Faiths. Where the difference begins is in context. In pure and true Faith, God will meet need to satisfy His Purposes. In the False, God will meet need to satisfy man's whims. In other words, it matters why one is asking the boon that he asks of God in one but not in the other.

Going to try to read up all the posts and catch up before joining the conversation fully.

nora544: I am not from south africa.

I know the bible very good
and I want only that real christians open their eyes
and that they understand how many fake pastors in nigeria who only want their money to fill their pockets.

The last I read is from a pastor who can heal diabethes but sorry that is something when you are mostly to fat and than you get this.

Why so many nigerians pastors are fat when all what they do is praying and fasting!!!!!!!!!!!!

loveroftruth: On the red ^ above, yes, it is futuristic.
Not now.

Am not in support of those that kept deceiving themselves that they will not fall sick now, but ended up growing old and falling sick and died.

But rather, my argument is to show what the plans of God are:

"Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness." (2 Peter 3:13).

It is not my place to add to what is clearly written in the scriptures.

2helpu: Thanks for your question.

As you requested in layman language, satan took the form of a serpent by disguising as a serpent(snake).

Remember in those days, Adam was the one who gave names to all the animals Genesis 2:18-20.
So he was communicating with them.

Satan therefore disguised himself as one of the animals, serpent/snake and spoke to Eve.
In the beginning before the fall of man it was possible to talk to and listen to animals just like human beings do.

I hope I've answered your questions.
God bless you.

Yours in Christ
Prince Ade-Johnson

2helpu: I wanted to wait till next week until I was inspired by the Holy Spirit to release all the prophecies
and predictions for the world for this year 2014.

Here then is what the future holds for the world in 2014.
Keep these predictions with the earlier ones
as the year rolls by and cross-check their fulfillments.

2helpu: Continuation Of All Prophecies And Predictions For 2014

NIGERIAN POLITICAL PROPHECIES:

Governor Kayode Fayemi will win the 2014 governorship election in Ekiti State
but the Lord God said he should give Him the honor and praise
and not to any woman political juggernaut
or godmother deceiving him that she is the power behind the throne, because
“… for there is no authority except that which God has established.
The authorities that exist have been established by God” (Romans 13: 1).

*Dr. Fayemiwo, CEO, Alternative Lifestyle Communication, DBA Chicago
and co-author of “The Kingdom of Satan Exposed,”
is head of Global Missions and professor of Biblical Exegesis
at Kingdom Bible College and Seminary, Tucson, Arizona, USA.
He can be reached at ProfessorMoshoodFayemiwo@KingdomBCS.com
Visit his website: http://www.allternativecommunication.net/

trustman: [size=16pt]A Fitting Quote[/size]

Here's a quote from an article by Kingsley Larbi in African Bible Commentary edited by Tokunboh Adeyemo (WorldAlive Publishers & Zondervan, 2006)

"The traditional understanding of the cause of disease has survived in African Christianity, as is clear from the popularity of prophets and faith healers. The clergy are expected, whether justifiably or not, to authenticate their ministry by exercising powers traditionally credited to religious persons, such as healing, unveiling hidden things, predicting the future, and being able to bless and curse effectively. When such powers are not present, members drift to other churches, attend other healing services, and consult spiritualists and fetish priests. 

African Christians must realize that God reserves the sole prerogative to heal.
Not all the sick in the days of Jesus were healed, nor were all the dead raised to life like Lazarus.
Whether Jesus chooses to heal or not does not change the fact that he is Saviour and Lord.
Consequently, we must seek him for who he is and not merely for healing". 

BabaGnoni: ...parts of post removed here....

On closing, this is not meant to dampen anyone’s faith in healing
because of course, cancer etc gets healed with faith by God just like that and without medical interferences

Now it must be said that, it is God's prerogative to heal
It is God that gives faith for healing or to receive healing

Faith for healing needs to be used, the right way, the right moment or time and used at right standing with God

...parts of post removed here....

https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/1#24394996

loveroftruth: Interesting.

Very Good of You to allow the bible to stand.

"Though all men be found a liar, let God be found true".

Respect to you men.

loveroftruth: As much as i will agree that people eyes are opening up to the fraud and lies in what is called "Christianity" in churches today and the effort that is being directed to exposed such here, i will want participtants like @BabaGnoni to stick to the purpose of the thread and not make unverifiable claims on scriptures that has nothing to do with what he had said.

Sticking to the aims of this thread will help desist the need for people to come to make a correction on issues that are unrelated to the topic.



that ^ statement is insinuating that the Garden of eden, a paradis was to be filled with trouble for Adam and his children even though Adam had not sin.

Now, that ^ statement is just your vain opinion as far as scriptures are concern, their troubles and struggling started after Adam sinned and God cursed them, pls, stick to the topic and post only what the bible says, and dont speak into scriptures.



The key word in that ^ 'SUBDUE' above is > to have control over everything on the earth perpetually. How you came about it meaning that they where to have problems perpetually in Eden beats me.



You can say that about the promises in the new testament, but when you extend it to the garden of Eden, then you have lost the bible there. Your best bet is to Stick to just what the bible says. Keep your opinion at home, or, at best throw it away.



Now, that ^ is pure nonsens!
How can you say that that Rev 21:4 is talking about Heaven ?
Did you not read in vers 2 that the "New Jerusalem" is coming down out of Heaven to earth ? How can vers 4 be talking about Heaven again ? Vers 2 determines where that vers 4 is talking about.
Again, was there death in Heaven befor then ?since that vers 4 says "death will be no more" ?

What exactly in that revelation 21 makes you think it is talking about Heaven in vers 4 ?

You also watch it, you also need to also completely purge yourself of some more of the poisons you have eaten all along.


Read that ^ again.



You still also have to purge yourself of certain errors also.

Now, read vers 2 of Revelation 21:

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." (Revelation 21:2).death will be no more