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@No2atheism

Oga, why dod you love creating uneccessary stress for yourself? Answers have been provided but you still went ahead spaming the thread. Sit up dude and lets discuss.

The Best Comprehensive Answer is "UNITY"

To Unite all Muslims towards One Direction i.e. the Ka'abah.

Whether you are rich, power, king, president, or saint, you must face this direction while you pray.

In my own opinion.

Lest forget, I want to create some threads STRICTLY for you, Davidylan, Todak and myself on yor doctrines in christianity and I would beg the moderators not to lock the threads regardless of your insult.

Please Moderators, I beg you not to lock this thread as it is meant to expose LIARS like Todak.



@Todak

Whaooooooo, i'm happy you opened another post right, You seems islamically driven to really prove me wrong, I may get my replies from the websites or what ever, but that does not change the fact that Muhammad is a False prophet or that he did not commit any of those atrocities mentioned and even more.heh

Oga, you have not been able to prove that he is a false prophet and I hate story telling without facts. I opened another so that you and I would enjoy the debate and NL would read the truth. You levelled allegation and I gave you response which you didnt read because it exposed your forgery.

And do you also care what Muhamad taught you in the name of Allah and in disguised book called Quran as you can not fool me too. You only read, but do not get the meaning or interpretation, you read but do not study.

To start with, you have limited knowledge in understading the bible more than i do let alone discussing the Quran with me. I have debunked yourt lies ip and you could do better by giving me facts as to why Quran is a false book and when you do that, we will compare which is false by thetime I take you through pornographic stories in the bible, contradictions, false prophecies etc

Which of them, Muhammad or Allah, as for Muhamad, we both know that he is rotten, and as for allah, he is also dead

You keep spewing lies. You should be bold enough to engage me. I am not interested in story telling but facts or better still, you could borrow a leaf from your brother Davidylan. I back my posts with facts and my posts speakc for me. I dont indulge in hide and seek game but always straight to business.

Since you claimed that Allah is dead (may God forgive uoi), what do Northerns, Arab christians call God? Why do we have Allah in Arabic bible?

Does that mean He is dead (May Allah forgive me) in your book as well because the same word is being used?

well I think this prayer is basically for you, cos Allah nor muhammad would not be there when you face God in his anger and wrath.

I weep for you.

You kept repeating the old mistake, you need to really take a look at what i posted cos i am not moved nor satisfied with your reply, afterall all I posted was all lies.

Oga, read my post, i did justice to your post and even asked you question in which you ignored. Bring your worries and Babs would respond

i will get back to you soon to reply you

Hoping to read more from the sites you bring them from.

Eto'o is perhaps the most consistent goal machine in Europe as Henry gradually left the stage.
2004 thru 2006, Eto'o was painting Europe red with goals.
Consider this:
Season Club Total goals
2002-03 R/Mallorca 19
2003-04 R/Mallorca 21
2004-05 Barca 28
2005-06 Barca 34
2006-07 Barca 13 (injury-hit)
2007-08 Barca 18 (injury-hit)
2008-09 Barca 29

So the last 18 months you are talking about fell into the period injury kept him on and off the game. And for a player that played less than half of what he would have played in a whole season if fit, still having 18 goals return showed his class. And immediately he came back, his scoring boots even got stronger.
No disrespect to Villa, Torres, of course.

But I love Fernando Torres

only a dunce can compare Ade to Bendtner.

Haba, how could you be comparing Adebayor to Bendtner? Compare the age difference and I am very sure that Bendtner would deliver as he progresses, its just a matter of time.

I REMAIN A GUNNER FOR LIFE

@Bawomolo

Thumps up for the little piece but I told you in one of my posts earlier that:

Quran 6 v 159: As for those who divide Their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: Their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.

Obviously rough and condensed but how do you know who is misguided?

You would know who is misguided through the Quran and Sunnah (Hadith) of the Holy prophet and when some indulge in Bidiah (Innovation), following wrong Madhhabs just like:

Abdullah bin Amar (RA) relates that the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said "Surely things will happen to my people as happened earlier to Israelites, they will resemble each other like one shoe in a pair resembles the other to the extent that if anyone among the Israelites has openly committed adultery to his mother there will be some who will do this in my Ummah as well, verily the Israelites were divided into 72 sections but my people will be divided into 73 sections, all of them will be in the fire except one." [/b]The companions asked, 'Who are they O Messenger of Allah,' Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said, [b]"They are those who will be like me and my companions."

The next question to ask is [b]'what does he mean when he said that they are those that would be like me and my companion" [/b]but the answers is not that hard as the prophet told us that we should follow the Quran and Sunnah(Hadith) for guidance in which his companion followed as well. The shiites do not follow the Hadith and NOI too doesnt hold that belief as well and indulge in deification of God which run contrary to Islamic teaching.

Sunnah which the Holy prophet told us to follow has to do with what the prophet said, did or accepted. The Companions are the ones that told us about the Sunnah, wrote all they heard from him in which all were collected as Hadith (Sayings of the prophet), handing it from one generation to another.

Islam would be divided into 73 sects, 72 would enter hell but would not be there forever while one would go to Heaven. The only sect that would go to heaven is Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah; that is the one that follow the sunnah of the Prophet (SAW) and believe, follow what the companions follow, believe in it just like the prophet said in Sahih Bukhari that 'A group of my ummah shall remain steadfast, on the truth, victorious, unharmed by those who oppose them, and do not support them, until the death or until the Day of Resurrection'.

@Bawomolo

Interesting, i guess babies have the natural urge to turn their ass in the direction of mecca.

Do babies observe Solat? Oga, please stop reasoning like Davidylan

You still haven't answered my question though, are babies born different types of Muslims?

I answered you but probably you didnt read very well. I answered your questions down in which you turned it to issue of babies now. There is no sect in the presense of Allah, hence all Babies are the same; Muslims in the presence of Allah.

The PC shit won't work with me.

Oga, Babs is not that type and I guess you are the one that avoided my questions when I asked you about the atheist and agnostic we have hidingunder the guise of creating another thread

Would i have the urge to be a muslim if i was born in a predominantly hindu household?

Of course you would. Are you saying we dont have any Muslim in predominantly Hindu household?

I guess like Christianity, Islam has some sort of free-will clause to explain this absurdity.

Expantiate please and we discuss.
In the meantime, ytou may educate yourself here
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-150020.0.html

@Davidlyan and No2atheism

Ignorance is really a disease which both of you demonstrated here.

Since both of you claimed that the word means Idol, quickly check where you tried running to then:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_(Arabic)


Having digested that, Allah was known to be God in pagans of Arabia back then but they believed mostly in idol worshipping beside Him. Some of the major idols they worshipped are Laat, Manaat, and Uzza in which they believed were daughters of ALLAH. Allah has been known since the time of Adam but they prefer worshipping idol which they believe provide all they need.

Also, do we say the word as being seen in the bible means god?
Do we also say northern. arab christians that call Him Allah are referring to god?

@Noetic


Since you have been blindfolded, here they are:

No explanation sir but what do you understand by terrorism and who is a terrorist?

I asked you to furnish me with the meaning and we will know who a terrosist is

I dont have o but could you name the atrocities please?
I dont understand what you meant by that, could you shed more light n that please?

I demanded the atrocities but nothing till now. I dont like story telling but love fact.

what explanation do u have for Allah keeping generations of servants?

Only servant would inherit paradise.AA question for you please: How could God doomed his children for hell just because they didnt obey his command and can you as a father condemn your children to hell fire because they didnt obey you?


Allah didnt promise terrorist 7 virgins and if you have it, kindly supply me or you remain a liar.

Where did Allah promise a terrorist 72 virgins?

Facts please and we look at which is immoral when I take you to Song of Solomon and some part of Isaiah and where prophet slept with daughter etc.


Over to you now. Do justice to all I posted and we look into the two books for additional facts and also look into history.


THATS ALL I POSTED which you claimed you didnt see.


@No2atheism

Dont ever try to play smart here oga

1. Yes you correct allah did not promise 7 virgins ,

2. Yes Allah/Mohammed (na the same thing cus mohammed adopted allah as his god) i think through the hadith, actually promised 72 virgins, (i mean 72 virgins per person, 72 virgins, the kind of which would continually be re-virginated by allah, everytime after all you those 72 virgins have been u know dis-virgined by the Hot mallams in al-janaat)

3. Should we assume the Hadith/Allah/Mohammed is not to be obeyed in the hope of getting 72 virgins.

NOW, your brother claimed Allah promised TERRORIST 72 VIRGINS but you and your brother couldnt provide where ALLAH promised terrorist same.

Why not quit your game of dishonesty?

Do you have the doctrine of shia and NOI to share here and if you can do,it would make us undestand better. I would the doctrines outlined here and not posting sites

@Davidylan


1. What does an Arab, Northen christian call God?

2. Are the verses below too hard for you to crack because I keep seeing the same word ALLAH in your BIBLE in which have been ridiculing so much as a result of your lack of knowledge:

ANY EXPLANATION TO THE WORD ALLAH IN YOUR BIBLE?

Genesis 1:1

"In the beginning God created
the Heaven and the Earth . . . "

[Genesis 1:1 - Arabic transliteration]

"Fee al-badi' khalaqa Allahu[/b]
as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . . "


2.

John 3:16


"For God so loved the world,
that . . . "

John 3:16 - Arabic transliteration]

"Li-annhu haakadha ahabba
[b]Allahu al-'Aalama hataa badhala . . . "

3.

Luke 1:30

" . . . Fear not, Mary:
for thou hast found favor with God."


Luke 1:30 - Arabic transliteration]

" . . . Laa takhaafee, yaa
Maryam, li-annaki qad wajadti ni'amat(an) i'nda Allahi."[/[b][/b]quote]

He is following the footstep of his brother Davidylan.


I asked him to furnish me WHERE ALLAH PROMISED TERRORIST 72 VIRGINS but it seems he couldnt defend his lies.

@Bawomolo

one more thing, why are there many sects if Islam was that simple?

there are other sects, do you honestly consider members of the NOI sunni or shia?

Why aren't they united if they both believe in the same doctrine? What about the sufi's, do they believe the same thing too?

We have many sects because of free will. It is a known fact that everybody cannot follow the same direction, some would be misguided. Allah said on sect:

Quran 6 v 159: As for those who divide Their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: Their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.


Also:

Quran 3 v 103: And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves;

If everybody was born a muslim, why are we not all muslims?

Everyone was born a Muslim but some turned unbeliever because of test of faith and our free will.

The Prophet Muhammad said, "No babe is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist." (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6426)

Narrated Abu-Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "No child is born except on Al-fitra (Islam) and then his parents make him Jewish, Christian or Magian (Zoroastrian), as an animal produces a perfect young animal: do you see any part of its body amputated?"
- Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 441

good question, what kind of muslim are we all born to be? sunni/shia/sufi/NOI. hmmmm

You must a practising muslim that believe in Quran, pray five times daily, face qiblah when praying and fast in the month of ramadhan.

@Todak

I came back to read and reply to your posts only for me to find that it has been locked. No thanks to your insultive drivel.

I thought you would be able to reply my rejoinder but went to spew lies from a website. I thought you would be able to give it to me like I requested but not knowing that you would ran to your sites and I therefore present similar site to you to learn what your authors have been hiding from you.

I would not be surprised if you turn out to be Sysuser.

hmmmmm, you seems hit by those words, and it is one thing to read the bible and another to study and understand its meaning, everybody reads the bible, but not all understand nor study it. And if indeed you know what the bible is saying, i think you will not be tossed to the other side, cos you have moved from frying pan to fire,from being joint heir to God to become slave of one demon-god called Allah, from serving the living God to a dead god.well, i have presented my facts to bilms, go read the post and prove me wrong. you slave.

Do you care to tell what the bible is saying as you cannot fool me with it. I read it more than could ever think of.

What is your rationale for calling my creator a dead god. My God forgive your lost soul and I pity you because Davidylan would not be able to intercede for you on that day.

I have replied you, you only need to back your lies with facts which I requested for in my last post.

is it really true that Mohammed married and had sex with a six year old girl? Huh

hmmm, Muhammad capitalised on the people as at then, he knew that they will do what ever he told them to do if the desgusied as a prophet, and you know prophets are honoured, respected, and what ever they say are followed to letters. I believe a leader must lead by example, the example he has layed , i what is the basis for polygamy in islam, now this is what Aisha the six year old girl, said:
Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.(Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310

what do you have to say to that? can an ordinary man ask for the hand of a child in marriage just like that, islam is claiming it to be a betrothal, it is but is it that muhammad was sex-starved or it was lust after a young child, i need them to answer that, for more information, visit this site: www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbrides.htm, www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm, www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/025-Muhammads-sex-life.htm. it explains better.

if it is, can a believer in Islam please explain this to me because i find this truly sickening.

they really need to expalin how a honoured prophet like muhammad became a sex manaic.

Why are you this inclined to falsehood and treachery? You claimed that he slept with a six year old girl but couldnt see that in your post. What I saw was MARRIED TO HIM AT THE AGE OF SIX AND BETHROTHED TO HIM AT THE AGE OF NINE, why do you love lying and disgracing yourself openly?

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/prophet_marriage_with_aisha.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm

And also, taking the wife of his son in law. How can this be morally justified?

You know what, this particular one makes me laugh, cos it is the taboo of the century, the most earsore and absurd act in history, for me. it is unthinkable, Yes, Muhammad married his step-son' wife, Zainab, Muhammad told his step-son to divorce his wife because Allah to him to marry her based on the fact that he is not his son, and according to islam, adopted children are not accepted, but it became so because of that act as a backup to his deeds." Al-sabuni states, "As to Zainab Bint Jahsh, the Messenger of Allah married for no higher wisdom than to abolish the heresy of adoption (A-sabuni)." So adopting a child became an abomination, it was not so before muhammad came, but now iot became a taboo just to justify the acts of muhammad, even not all muslims knows this divine law from allah,The divine legislator willed to give the adopted son only the right of a client and co-religionist. For that reason a verse was revealed: "God did not make your adopted son as your own sons. To declare them so is your empty claim. God's word is righteous and constitutes true guidance. (Q.33: 4)." It follows from this revelation that the adopter may marry the ex-wife of his adopted son and vice-versa. Thus Muhammad married Zainab in order to provide a good example of what the All-wise legislator was seeking to establish by way of rights and privileges for adoption. In this regard God further said: "After a term of married life with her husband, We permitted you to marry her so that it may hence be legitimate and morally blameless for a believer to marry the wife of his adopted son provided that wife has already been divorced. That is God's commandment which must be fulfilled (Q.33: 37)." Who, among the Arabs, could implement this noble legislation and thereby openly repudiate the ancient traditions? The truth is, however, that Muhammad was the exemplar of obedience to God; his life was the implementation of that which he was entrusted to convey to mankind. His life constitutes the highest ideal, the perfect example, and the concrete instance of his Lord's command (M.H. Haykal, page-296-297).
Those who are Muslims and are obedient to the Qur'an will not have adopted sons.

Muhammad's marriage to Zainab, who was the wife of his adopted son, led to many accusations against Muhammad. The dissimulators said, "Muhammad prohibits the wives of the son while he himself marries the wife of his son Zaid." These incidents are not in harmony with the ethics and conventions that Muhammad introduced to mankind, as Muslims claim. Abdullah Ibn Umar narrated: "We have always called him [namely Zaid] Zaid Ibn Muhammad." Abdullah Ibn Umar said, "We only called him Zaid Ibn Muhammad till the verse "Muhammad is not the father of any of your men' was revealed."" It was revealed just after he took the wife, when he was accused, ok, lets see what one of the muslim scholars as at that time said about the incident:
Muhammad Ibn Yahya Ibn Hayyan narrated, "The Messenger of God came to Zaid Ibn Haritha's house seeking him. Perhaps the Messenger of God missed him at that time, that is why he said, 'Where is Zaid?' He went to his house seeking him and, when he did not find him, Zainab Bint Jahsh stood up to [meet] him in a housedress, but the Messenger of God turned away from her. She said, 'He is not here, Messenger of God, so please come in; my father and mother are your ransom.' The Messenger of God refused to come in. Zainab had hurried to dress herself when she heard that the Messenger of God was at her door, so she leapt in a hurry, and the Messenger of God liked her when she did that. The heart of the Prophet was filled with admiration for her He went away muttering something that was hardly understandable but for this sentence: 'Praise be to God who disposes the hearts.' When Zaid came back home, she told him that the Messenger of God came. Zaid asked, 'You asked him to come in, didn't you?' She replied, 'I bade him to, but he refused.' He said, 'Have you heard [him say] anything?' She answered, 'When he had turned away, I heard him say something that I could hardly understand. I heard him say, "Praise be to God who disposes the hearts." ' Zaid went out to the Messenger of God and said, 'O Messenger of God, I learned that you came to my house. Did you come in? O Messenger of God, my father and mother are your ransom. Perhaps you liked Zainab. I can leave her.' The Messenger of God said, 'Hold on to your wife.' Zaid said, 'O Messenger of God, I will leave her.' The Messenger of God said, 'Keep your wife.' So when Zaid left her, she finished her legal period after she had isolated herself from Zaid. While the Messenger of God was sitting and talking with `A�isha, he was taken in a trance, and when it lifted, he smiled and said, 'Who will go to Zainab to tell her that God wedded her to me from heaven?' The Messenger of God recited; 'Thus you told someone whom God had favoured and whom you yourself have favoured: "Hold on to your wife." Aisha said, 'I heard much about her beauty and, moreover, about how God wedded her from heaven, and I said, "For sure she will boast over this with us." ' Salama, the slave of the Messenger of God, hurried to tell her about that. She gave her some silver jewellery that she was wearing."

(Sura al-Ahzab Q.33: 37) Said: "We married her off to you so that there would be no objection for believers in respect to their adopted sons' wives once they have accomplished their purpose with them. God's command must be done!"

In the verse (33:37) there is stated a particular purpose for this revelation and action of Muhammad. It is not for himself, but it is for the future of the Muslim community. It is so that in future there may not be a problem if anybody (father-in-law) wants to marry the divorced wife of an adopted son. �We permitted you to marry her so that it may hence be legitimate and morally blameless for a believer to marry the wife of his adopted son.� Without adoption, there cannot be any adopted son either. Therefore, the explicitly stated reason for the revelation of this verse does not exist. Muhammad himself dissolved the original adoption of Zaid when the above revelation came. Also, it is a mystery why in the world, any father-in law will need to marry his adopted son's wife.

Now the truth of the matter is that:
Muhammad lustfully fell in love with Zainab, daughter of Jahsh, while she was the wife of Zayd bin Harithah, his own adopted son. Once, when he passed by the house of Zayd in the latter's absence, he was met by Zainab wearing clothes which exposed her beauty. Muhammad's heart was inflamed. It is reported that when his eyes fell upon her, he exclaimed, "Praise be to God who changes the hearts of men" and he repeated this expression at the time of his departure from her home. Zainab heard him say this and noticed desire in his eye. Zainab proudly reported this happening to her husband. Zayd immediately went to see the Prophet and offered to divorce his wife. Muhammad answered, "Hold to your wife and fear God." Thereafter, Zainab was no longer a docile wife and Zayd had to divorce her. Prophet Muhammad married Zainab Bint Jahsh who was his daughter-in-law. That was definitely taboo in pre-Islamic Arabia, and the Prophet of Islam lifted this taboo in order to satisfy his own lust and fulfill his own desire. They also relate that when Muhammad saw her she was half-naked, that her fine black hair was covering half of her body, and that every curve of her body was full of desire and passion. Others relate that when Muhammad opened the door of the house of Zayd the breeze played with the curtains of the room of Zainab, thus permitting Muhammad to catch a glimpse of her stretched out on her mattress in a nightgown.
On the other hand, Arab custom and tradition demanded that the adopted son inherit from his adopted father, like the latter's legitimate children. And since this custom too was the object of Muhammad's attack, his choice of Zayd as the spear point of the first reform, would actually make of him -- if he were prepared to give up the inheritance to which Arabian custom gave him title -- the spearhead of another Islamic legislation prohibiting inheritance to any but the blood heirs and relatives of the deceased. This indeed furnished the revelation: "No believer, whether man or woman, has the freedom to choose otherwise than as God and His Prophet have resolved in any given case. To do so is to disobey God and His Prophet, to err and fall into manifest misguidance (Q.33: 37)�

finally:
There is a considerable moral problem with such a self-serving revelation. It is quite clear that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was attracted to Zainab before Zaid divorced her and it might well have been the true reason for the divorce itself. And Qur'anic verses do make clear that there was something going on before Zaid divorced Zainab. The entire melodrama: Zaid's divorce of Zainab, Muhammad's marriage with Zainab and subsequent revelations of several Qur'anic Ayats from Allah to purify this scandalous happening is something to ponder very seriously. There is more in this strange story. That this action is immoral and this revelation/justification of it self-serving and not fitting for a true word of God is an important aspect, but not a contradiction within the Quran - even though contradicting the true character of God, who is moral purity. Prohibiting adoption is no way a moral action. Prohibitions of alcohol drinking, smoking, gambling, sorceries, killing, etc., could be a moral action. But why was there prohibition of adoption?

To summarize, the logical difficulty is that Allah (?) causes a scandal and then sends Gabriel to officially justify the scandalous action of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) with Qur'anic revelations is morally incorrect and too much of a coincidence.

Some after thoughts: Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) cannot get away from the culpability of this salacious behavior of his with Zainab. If he had this forthrightness in his mind, he would have vigorously fight with his conscience and not allow this marriage to go through. But the reality was quite the opposite. He had surrendered to his passion and thus had marred his "unblemished" character. If all the Muslims in the present-day world follow Muhammad's inglorious example, seduce theirs daughter-in-law, and then cause a divorce and then to add insult to the injury marry her, what would happen then? Just think the consequences. In more enlightened society if a man does what Mohammad (pbuh) did with Zainab he would be looked up as a lascivious character. Not all the Qur'anic Ayats of this world will be able to change that. To have faith is one thing, but to have a blind faith is another matter, altogether!

According to the Western culture, an adopted son becomes an actual son. But this law does not exist in Islam.

Let us look at Noble Verses 33:4-5 "Allah has not Made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has He Made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah Tells (you) the Truth, and He Shows the (right) Way."

Zihar is the divorce done by pagan Arabs before Islam, where a man would say to his wife you are to me like my mother. The man could marry another woman, where the woman couldn't marry another man, which was very degrading to all women.

Zayd's, the Prophet's alleged "adopted son" by the haters of Islam, wife, was the one who wanted to divorce him and marry the Prophet. She was not forced into the marriage by any means. Let us look at Noble Verse 58:1 "God has indeed heard (and accepted) the statement of the woman who pleads with thee concerning her husband and carries her complaint (in prayer) to God: and God (always) hears the arguments between both sides among you: for God hears and sees (all things)."

Let us look at Noble Verse 33:37 "Behold! thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favour: 'Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah.' But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then Zayd had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), we joined her in marriage to thee: In order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the believers in (the matter) of marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled."

According to Islamic laws, where from the above Noble Verses do we see our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him marrying his daughter in law?!

According to Noble Verses 33:4-5 above, we clearly see that an adopted son is NOT in the place of an actual son. An adopted son is a son from a stranger person. The foster father would still have to treat the adopted son with kindness and fulfill all of his needs. But the adopted son can never be an actual son.

According to Noble Verse 33:37 above, we clearly see that Allah Almighty allowed for the Muslims to marry the former wives of their adopted sons!.

If a man called another's son "his son", it might create complications with natural and normal relationships if taken too literally. The truth is the truth and can not be altered by men's adopting "sons". "Adoption" in the technical sense is not allowed in Muslim Law. Those who have been "wives of your sons proceeding from your loins" are within the Prohibited Degrees of marriage, but this does not apply to "adopted" sons; "Prohibited to you (for marriage) are your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in no prohibition if ye have not gone in (those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 4:23)"

Is it also true that a suicide bomber is rewarded with 71 virgins in heaven? That sounds pretty disgusting and i feel sorry for the poor 'bloody' virgins. But what if it was a female suicide bomber, is she rewarded with 71 male virgins?

It is really disgusting, i only pity for the women, cos they have been used like rags over here on earth, do you think they are the virgins in heaven, well i doubt that.
Some so called modern Islamic apologists often try to fool the western infidels that Islam is a very simple religion and Islam never lures Muslims with erotic heavenly pleasures. Nothing could be furthest from the truth then this ridiculous claim of Islamists. Let’s examine very closely the facts about Islamic heaven.

If we research on the heavens of world’s five famous religions this is what we can learn: Both Judaism and Christianity talk about heaven but do not describe what is in there! Hinduism talks about heaven and give some earthly material pleasures but does not go any further. Buddhism does not believe in after-life, and do not have any hell or heaven. They believe hell and heaven exists on this earth.

But Islam emphatically describes many forms of heavens (at least 8 of them with various status/classes) with plenty of earthly greed’s and lusting/erotic pleasures which not many human beings (made of soil) can refuse to get it. Muslims devoutly pray at least five times (some pray even 10 times) a day, visit Mekka and fawns Pirs and Darbishes (Saints) just to get the ultimate ticket for those lustful happiness of heavens.

There in the heaven you will be given beautiful Houris/Gillman, wine, and plenty of foods to eat. You will stay young for ever and death, disease will never come near you again.” Folks, all those Islamic Mullahs, Maoulanas, all those Jihadis of Kashmir, Palestine, Osama-Bin-Laden’s terrorist gang, and all other gullible Muslims ardently believe just that.

Islamic Allah and Prophet Muhammad frequently promised believers of Islam with lustful heavens and erotic pleasures of various kinds which we shall encounter later in this essay. Holy Quran got hundreds of such verses, and myriad’s of Sahih Hadiths dealing Houris and wine and sex for those pious Muslims. Truth of the matter is myth (superstitions), sex and violence are the main pillars of Islam. Below are some samples of divine promises from the Merciful Allah and Compassionate Prophet of Islam.

Quranic verses (Translated by Maolana A. Yousuf Ali) that promises Heaven with Houris, Sex, and Wine for the pious Muslims:

Quran-(52:17-20): “They will recline (with ease) on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Huris (fair females) with wide lovely eyes.” “There they shall pass from hand to hand a (wine) cup, free from any Laghw….”

Quran: (37:40-48): …they will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.

Quran: (44:51-55): Yes and we shall wed them to dark-eyed houris (beautiful virgins).

Quran: (55:56-57): In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny?

Quran-(55:72): “Hur (beautiful, fair females) guarded in pavilions;”

Quran: (78:31): “As for the righteous, they surely triumph. Their gardens and vineyards and high-bosomed (pointed breast) virgins for companions, truly overflowing cup”

Quran-(78: 33-34):“And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age, and a full cup of wine.”

Quran-(55:57-58): “Then which of the blessings of your lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (In beauty) they are like rubies and coral”.

Quran-(56:7-40): “ …we created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand….”

Quran-(55:70-77): “ In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair….dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man or Jinn have touched before…”

Quran-56:22: “And (there will be) Huris with wide, lovely eyes (as wives for the pious)”

Quran-(56: 35-36): “Verily , We have created them (maidens) of special creation. And made them Virgins.”

Quran- (55:56): “Wherein both will be Qasirat-ut-Tarf (chaste females restraining their glances, desiring none except their husband) with whom no man or jinni has had tamth before them.”

Quran: (2:25): “And give glad tidings to those who believe and do righteous good deeds, that for them will be Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise)……….and they will be given these things in resemblance (i.e., in the same form but different in taste) and they shall have therein Azwajun Muhtahharatun (purified mates and wives) and that they will have abide therein forever”.

Quran47:15): “The description of Paradise which the Muttaqun have been promised (is that) in it are rivers of water the taste and smell of which are not changed, rivers of milk of which the taste never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of clarified honey……….”

Quran-(40-45): "Surely for the God-fearing awaits a place of security gardens and vineyards and maidens with swelling (protruding) bosoms."

Now some sahi Hadiths:

The main themes of the Jihad are: if Jihadi Muslims survive the battle, they secure concubines and plenty of booty, but if they fall (die), they are sure to enter paradise full of houris, wine and living in the most luxurious environment.

TIRMZI, vol. 2 states on page 138: Every man who enters paradise shall be given 72 (seventy-two) houris; no matter at what age he had died, when he is admitted into paradise, he will become a thirty-year-old, and shall not age any further. A man in paradise shall be given virility equal to that of one hundred men.

Ghilman (Young Boys): In sura: (52:24) Allah promises to supply young diamond-sparkling beautiful boys for some inhabitants of Islamic heavens. Some deceitful western living mullahs will argue that these boys are there to serve drinks to the pious inhabitants of the heavens and not for having sex by those Beduin homosexual Jihadi Martyrs. They also will argue that Koran did not specify that these Ghilman (young boys) will be used as sex partners by Martyrs, i.e., it was not said so in the Quran. Well, Koran also did not specify what those Martyrs/pious Muslims suppose to do with the wide-eyed, firmed, swollen breast, white skinned beautiful houris! Your parent gets you married a beautiful young lady, and parents never say what you suppose to do with your wife, do they? Decietful Mullah’s logic/excuse that these Ghilman could be there as the waiters just to serve drinks and food does not sound right. I don’t think it is the purpose of supplying young boys just to be the waiters. Waiters could be adult person instead of pearl-sparkling everlasting young boys! Is not it folks?

The Sex Market of Heaven (Islamic brothel):

Allah has arranged for Pious Muslims a non-stop and non-interrupted sex in Islamic heavens because Mullahs will remain busy only with unlimited sex and wine for billions of years to come. These are rewards from the merciful Allah for killing and torturing those enemies of Allah by Mumeen Muslims.

In the Hadiths the Prophet Muhammad gave the believers a final choice of a open sex market in heaven where there will be no limit of the number of sexual partners. Women are in display like open fruit market. Hadith: Al hadiths, Vol. 4, Page-172, No.34: Hozrot Ali (r.a) narrated that the Apostle of Allah said, “There is in paradise an open market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, at once he will have intercourse with them as desired.

In this open sex market of heaven one can easily imagine what type of fun is going to happen there. Say one particular day of heaven—one very pious Muslim (who prayed five times a day and visited Mecca) who has been permitted to the best of Islamic heaven. There one day he decided to visit (out of curiosity) the famous sex market of heaven, and when he reached there, he found out that all his great great grandfathers, grandfather, father, brothers also were there visiting “Islamic Brothel” called heavenly sex market. Now, they all got excited by the paragon beauty of heavenly houris with very swollen breasts, dark eyes and fair skin. The great great grandfather will command all his descendents family members to feel free to enjoy the sweet taste of houris. In that case the great great grandfathers, grandfather, father, brothers—they all will start simultaneous orgy of sexual intercourse right in front of each others. Can you imagine that terrific scenery folks? Allah is really great and merciful indeed!

Now Some Descriptions of Houris:

Quran-(The Tidings: 30) The houris are ever-young women who have wide eyes, flexing glances and swelling (protruding/pointed) bosoms.

MISHKAT, (volume three Says on pages 83-97): If a houri looks down from her abode in heaven onto the earth, the whole distance (space) shall be filled with light and fragrance. A houri's face is more radiant than a mirror, and one can see one's image in her cheek. The marrow of her shins is visible to the eyes.

TIRMZI, volume two (p 35-40): A houri is a most beautiful young woman with a transparent body. The marrow of her bones is visible like the interior lines of pearls and rubies. She looks like red wine in a white glass. She is of white color, and free from the routine physical disabilities of an ordinary woman such as menstruation, menopause, urinal and offal discharge, child bearing and the related pollution. A houri is a girl of tender age, having large breasts which are round (pointed), and not inclined to dangle. Houris dwell in palaces of splendid surroundings.

Here are some incredible stuffs in heaven waiting for Mumeen Muslims.

Book by the great Imam Ghazzali: Ihya Uloom Ed-Din. The Sunnis consider this epic as next to Quran.
Volume 4,
Page-4.430

“According to Prophet Muhammad (SW) the Hurs of Paradise will be pure women—free of menstruation, urine, stool, cough and children. The Hurs will sing in Paradise on divine purity and praise—we are most beautiful Hurs and we are for the honored husbands.

Muhammad said that an inmate of Paradise will have the sexual strength of 70 men. Muhammad said, “An inmate of Paradise will have 500 Hurs, 4,000 unmarried women and 8,000 widowed women. Each of them will keep embracing him for the duration of his whole worldly life.” <

P-4.431
Muhammad said, “If an inmate of Paradise will wish to have a son born to him, he will get it. It stays in womb, its weaning away from milk and its youth will come to pass at the same time.” Muhammad said, “The inmates of Paradise will be beardless and hairless. Their color will be white and their eyes painted with collyrium. They will be youth of 33 years of age. They will be sixty cubits long and seven cubits broad.”

Conclusion:

It is quite evident from the Quran and Sahih hadiths that Islamic heaven is full of lusts and earthly greed which had been formulated by Prophet Muhammad himself only to lure Arab Bedouin to join his venture of plundering, killing, rapping innocent Arab pagans and others who refused to believe his weird religion of Allah. Prophet Muhammad was extremely intelligent, cruelest, and very cunning human being indeed! He realized very well that to materialize his narcissistic dream, he needed to incite/energized Bedouin illiterate and desperately vagabond poor Arabs to unite and fight his enemy the Pagans and Jews.

He understood very well, as to, what could be the crucial objects/materials that will be most attractive to those Pagan Arabs. He knew that Arabs are inherently sex maniac and wine lovers which are historically true. In the Arab desert environment—water was another most precious commodity which no Arabs could refuse or neglect to get. Prophet Muhammad’s clever creation and wishful description of heavenly pleasures (which he also copied from other religions like Zoroastrian and Hinduism) did not miss any of the above most important and most attractive items to lure Bedouin Arabs. In fact, those poor, illiterate, Vagabond Arab Bedouin were simply mesmerized by the incredible lustful description of heavenly houries, wine, foods, and luxurious life style in the heaven.

Most important driving force behind their craze was war booties: sex with those beautiful young ladies of defeated pagans, wine, and other earthly goods which most Bedouin Arabs could not even dream in their entire life. As a result they were totally fearless fighters and wanted to die in a hurry in order to achieve those incredible heavens in the after life. This was the key factor which brought Prophet Muhammad’s victory after victory over the Arab Pagans.


Why is there so much emphasis based on the fulfilment of repressed immoral sexual fantasies?

Well it's because he claimed to be a prophet, a leader, he did not lay good examples, if he were an ordinary man, no one will remember him, but for the fact that his is the acclaimed leader of the said monothetisim, he has lead many, millions astray from God. So what has an adulterer, sex maniac, assasin has to say that worth believing, tell me. you really need to consider this.

When you finish spewing jargons, could you tell in your thrash where TERRORISTS WERE MENTIONED AS INFERRED BY YOU?

In case you do not know, only 5 verses talked on Houris showing that emphasis is not laid on sex.

You may also read about a prornographic bookL
http://www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm

@David

You dont understand the bible at all . . . God is a father ONLY to the saved. The rest - He says . . . i know you not.

Olodo. Is God not a father to the unsaved too?

What of this verse that says you would gain paradise by being a SLAVE:

Roman 6 v 22.

You stil ignored this:

David,since you have a problem with the word 'slave',how could a father throw his children into hell for life just because they disobeyed him? Does that potray a caring,loving and merciful father. Can you as a father condemn your children for life cos he disobeyed you?

David,since you have a problem with the word 'slave',how could a father throw his children into hell for life just because they disobeyed him? Does that potray a caring,loving and merciful father. Can you as a father condemn your children for life cos he disobeyed you?

what explanation do u have for the violent nature of the immoral religion called islam?

Facts please and we look at which is immoral when I take you to Song of Solomon and some part of Ezekiel and where prophet slept with daughter etc.

@dAVID-THE LIAR

Allah = al + ilah. Is this not true??

Is it not true that we have the same word ALLAH that you have been ridiculing all these while in your book:

Genesis 1:1

"In the beginning God created
the Heaven and the Earth . . . "

[Genesis 1:1 - Arabic transliteration]

"Fee al-badi' khalaqa Allahu[/b]
as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . . "


2.

John 3:16


"For God so loved the world,
that . . . "

John 3:16 - Arabic transliteration]

"Li-annhu haakadha ahabba
[b]Allahu[/color] al-'Aalama hataa badhala . . . "

3.

Luke 1:30

" . . . Fear not, Mary:
for thou hast found favor with God."


Luke 1:30 - Arabic transliteration]

" . . . Laa takhaafee, yaa
Maryam, li-annaki qad wajadti ni'amat(an) i'nda Allahi."[/[color=#990000][b][/b]quote]


Bloody liar, Olodo.

@Davidylan

This almost escaped me:

You just love to over inflate your own ego dont you? When was your arabic bible published? Yes Romans does use the term "slave" but it quite CLEARLY does not contain the same connotation as that in islam. The same bible is replete with plenty of passages where christians are called SONS OF GOD . . . sadly you overlooked all that didnt you hypocrite?

Now read the verses again, Olodo

16Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

17But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. [/color]

Any explanation to being SLAVE OF SIN?

What does it mean to be SLAVE OF RIOGHTEOUSNESS, Olodo

18You have been set free from sin and have [color=#990000]become slaves to righteousness.[/b]

[b]Slaves of sin being used there referred to satan while that of righteousness referred to God as in:

22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God,[b][/b] the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

Having moved from slaves of sin (satan) to that of righteousness (God), Your benefit is eternal life.

Davidylan, you reap the benefit of eternal life for being a SLAVE OF God.

OLODO

@Davidlair

Your ignorance is now a big problem

Since you have a problem with the word ALLAH, please what do Northenr, Arab christians call God?

What Do they call Him in Arabic bible.

You would continue creating problem for yourself as long as you keep developing cold feet for the word having ignorantly forgotten that, thaty same word is present in your book:

Genesis 1:1

"In the beginning God created
the Heaven and the Earth . . . "

[Genesis 1:1 - Arabic transliteration]

"Fee al-badi' khalaqa Allahu[/color]
as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . . "

What is the meaning of the enboldened word therein David?


2.

John 3:16


"For God so loved the world,
that . . . "

John 3:16 - Arabic transliteration]

"Li-annhu haakadha ahabba
Allahu [color=#990000]al-'Aalama hataa badhala . . . "

Do you care to provide explanation to the enboldened word?


3.

Luke 1:30

" . . . Fear not, Mary:
for thou hast found favor with God."


Luke 1:30 - Arabic transliteration]

" . . . Laa takhaafee, yaa
Maryam, li-annaki qad wajadti ni'amat(an) i'nda Allahi."[/[b][/b]quote]


Any explanation to the use of the word therein?

@Noetic

what explanation to do u have for islamic oriented terrorism?

No explanation sir but what do you understand by terrorism and who is a terrorist?

what explanation do u have for osama bin laden`s attrocities in the name of islam?

I dont have o but could you name the atrocities please?

what explanation do u have for the Jihad madness?

I dont understand what you meant by that, could you shed more light n that please?

what explanation do u have for mohammed`s paedophilic nature?

You are a liar, supply me facts here

what explanation do u have for Allah keeping generations of servants?

What do you have to say to verses where God uses SERVANTS for some messengers?

How could God doomed his children for hell just because they didnt obey his command and can you as a father condemn your children to hell fire because they didnt obey you?

what explanation do u have for the Allah`s lustful promise of 7 virgins to terrorists ,that has resulted in an unpeaceful world?

Allah didnt promise terrorist 7 virgins and if you have it, kindly supply me or you remain a liar.

what explanation do u have for the violent nature of the immoral religion called islam?

Facts please and we look at which is immoral when I take you to Song of Solomon and some part of Isaiah and where prophet slept with daughter etc.

if u need facts and evidences, search ur conscience, that is if u still have one.

Over to you now. Do justice to all I posted and we look into the two books for additional facts and also look into history.

@Davidylan

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Olodo, Jesus made the above when talking to Jews on Mount Olive. You bible misrepresentation would not work with me. Olodo, Liar.

Sorry i'm sure you would have made EXACTLY the same comment about John 8:44.
Sorry, when your religion calls Christ Jesus the Lord, a mere slave of allah - you are being insultive, hateful and inconsiderate of my feelings and DISRESPECTFUL of what i consider HOLY.

What is Jesus to you sir maybe we would discuss from there?

When you lie and say my bible is corrupt you are being utterly disrespectful of the bible i consider SACRED.

Oga, why the obvious denialm do you need proof?

When you LIE openly to say that all the biblical men of God are mere slaves of an allah they never knew, you are being inconsiderate.

Do you need versesw where God used the above term for them?

Thou hypocrite . . . when will YOU slaves of allah start showing the peace you expect from others?

When you stop lying and biblical verses twisting.

As far as my bible is concerned - it tells me that EVERYONE who denies the Lordship of Christ (like islam essentially does) is an ANTI-Christ . . . there are no two ways about it. It would be utter deciet not to tell you that to your face. no i will not be like the watchmen who failed to warn you.

Do you care to furnish me the verses where he claimed the above or you are BIG LIAR and would do you good if you could tell me how they denied him with reference to his sayings ?

@Todak

It pains me so much that you have fallen victim of a realistic mistake in the history of mankind, i really feel pity for you, you seems to be adamant, and the blodd fluid of the last prophet has been injected into you. You are supposed to see the light, but you rather see thick darkness, you are suppose to follow the way, but you left the way, you have bee blinded by what physical pleasure can give, which is the main aim of islam, christianity sees far above that even beyound your imagination, like tha question i asked you in this post (Question And Answer), which do you prefer to be, a slave or an heir to your father.

Come off it dude. In case you just joined NL, I was lost like you before I reverted to Islam and I am sure that I have been reading the bible ever before you were born (thats the fact) and still readin now. I asked you to give me one at a time and we thrash it out but you never did that and since you couldnt, let me challenge you again, which one do you want us to take for a start?

Lets set the ball rolling please.

which do you prefer to be, a slave or an heir to your father.

Could you please explain these verses to me?

16Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

20When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness.

22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, [/b]the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.[b]

i think you know which is the right choice only you do not want to but not that you are not willing to , only bound by the boundless and unimaginable forces of islam. sorry man, but you can still be free.

I know the right choice hence me leaving the darkness for light (Islam)

But where is your pal, bilms, oh he could not handle the infuse of the evidence i bought , so he called you to help him out, well pls tell him, i said he is a coward and a frik.

Once again, which do you want us to discuss now?

Greatest fool and retarded noetic. I know from day one that you cannot use your feather weight brain to discuss in a mature way. Go read my posts and how i have been dealing with LIARS like you. You posted thrash and I told that they are lies in which you couldnt argue further by supplying your facts. Bloody liar and olodo. I am still around the corner to read another set of lies from your deluded author(s) in that site you posted and would assist in giving you more of that sites so that you would arm yourself with enough propaganda against me

David,I have never come across humam being as mischievous as you. What do we in arabic,hausa bible? You also claimed that the bible was copied by the last prophet,please what language was the bible first written?

Thanks and thumbs up if that is all you have to say.

Am sorry oga Bawomolo for using question to answer your question. I thought that Lagosboy answered you but if you are not ok with that,we are Muslims,face the same qiblah,read the same Quran,pray five times daily. I have answered you and would you explain the above terms to me? Thank you sir

What do you expect from his type that doesnt know his bible let alone preach to people? You would have read how he ignorantly insult the word ALLAH without asking himself HIS name in Aramaic,Hebrew and what northern,arab christians call HIM

Oga,am not for all these. You levelled allegation and i told you that its a lie and you should back your allegation with facts that would make believe that you are right. You claimed that something is this and i said its a lie,you are in the position to back it up

You dont have to compel me to do that.You leveled allegation which i called lies and propaganda and ASKED you to provide facts to your allegation and once you are able to do that,you have me debating with you

You people have a very big problem. I could remember when using only the Quran,you claimed that you dont believe in it etc but while using what you believe in to expose you,you starts going im circles. You believe in it and i use what you believe in to expose you and i dont see any reason for your cry of corruption here cos its wat u believe in