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My friend Horus is at it again. Whats your point sir

You are a coward, the question was for all and you backed out afterall the horrible quran is the truth and should have given your answer from there and not prove your cowardice to NLers. ok. so give us your answers and i, and others will give ours. Slave.

Read from this dullard that couldnt attend to the three threads raised form him and his friends. I even asked him to explain the conttradictions and the missing verses but he couldnt.

Olodo

@Noetic

So you cant help your brother to deny these facts:

Four other gospels composed by men were chosen by Athanasius, a fourth century bishop to replace the lost Gospel of Jesus Christ. (The New Encyclopedia Britannica vol. 14. p. 814).

Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation.’

1. Who was the father of Uzziah?

Joram (Matthew 1:
Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)

2. How many fighting men were found in Judah?

Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

3. Did Jesus bear his own cross?

Yes (John 19:17)
No (Matthew 27:31-32)

4. Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?

Yes (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark lS:37-38)
No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)

5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)


If you are saying the bible is complete

1. which is complete, the protestants (66 books) or catholics (73 books)

2. If the bible is complete, where are these verses in Revised Standard Version, Good News Bible, New International Bible, Living Bible Versions and other bibles apart from KJV

a.Mathew 17 v 21 (b) mark 11 v 26 (c) acts 8 v 37 (d) Mathew 17 v 21 (e) Mathew 21 v 44 (f) Mathew 23 v 14 etc

3. If the bible is complete

a.
Numbers 21:14 Wherefore it is said in the book of the wars of the Lord, What he did in the Red sea, and in the brooks of Arnon,

where is the Book of the Wars of the Lord?

b.Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

2 Samuel 1:18 (Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.)

where is the Book of Jasher

c.1 Chronicles 29:29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,

where is the Book of Samuel the Seer and Gad the Seer?

d.1 Chronicles 29:29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,…

where is the book of Nathan the Prophet?

e. 2 Chronicles 9:29 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?

Where is the prophecy of Ahijah and Shilonite and the visions of Iddo the Seer?

f.2 Chronicles 12:15 Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually.

Where is the Book of Shemaiah, the prophet?

g.2 Chronicles 20:34 Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Jehu the son of Hanani, who is mentioned in the book of the kings of Israel.

Where is the Book of Jehu?

h.2 Chronicles 26:22 Now the rest of the acts of Uzziah, first and last, did Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, write.

Where is the Acts of Uzziah?

@Noetic & Davidylan

I am not surprised at your inferiority complex. I found out that you are just like David, making denials when answers are being supplied and not able to support his denials with facts. Bird of a feather

Search my posts and see me backing my posts with facts both from the bible and the Quran. How many facts have you been able to provide for your lies here? I asked you questions in your thrash but you couldnt. You may check my posts in response to your lies.
Again, I dont argue without facts and have you been able to answer the simple questions from your bible. Go read my posts where I engaged most of your people and would realize the truth. Your elder brother too couldnt after exposing his false prophecies. I was like you before my reversion and pray that your eyes be opened before it would be too late. I dont post without facts, I have engaged those older and intelligent that you here so you that was born yesterday couldnt even answer simple questions. Dont worry, very soon its my kid that would engage you here. I dont have time for your infantile unintelligent posts. Your elder brothers in the like of Olaadegbu, Tayod etc and sisters in the like of Babyosis here know me better when it comes to debate. A word is enough for the wise

@Noetic

Olodo somebody . Both of you would not be able to because they are glaring errors from your book. I have tabled contradictions, pornographic verses and missing verses in original msnuscript and some versions but present in KJV.

You can deny them if you are brave.

@Noetic

Fact 1. Before Mohammed came, arabians were worshipping 360 idols in kabal, one for each day and "allah" was one of them.

Liar. Its not true. Allah was never one of the gods then and please how come Muhammed (saw) kicked agaist worshipping of Idol if He was one of them?

Why do we have the same word in Arabic bible and Arabs and northern Muslims call him by that name.

In case you dont know, grab a gideon biblem open the translation and read the name use for Allah therein.

Fact 2. Mohammed`s father worshipped this "allah", before the birth of mohammed. This can be deduced from his name abdallah. which means servant of allah.

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Liar. Prove me wrong. I have explained this but you are being brainwashed hence the feigning of ignorance. Allah has been existing since the creation of Adam and even before Adam but they prefer worshipping idol to Allah and when the prophet came, he destroyed the idols and how come he did that if they are both same. Think my dullard friend

Fact 3. allah is the coining of two words meaning "al" and "llah" meaning "the" "god". I will deduce from this that whoever coined the name "allah" was referring to one of the 360 gods in existence then. My deduction is buttressed by history.

Do we say it means the god with reference to the word in Arabic bible? Do we say you worship god?

Fact 4. Contrary to jejune postulations by blabs and co, no prophet in the old testament called Jehovah God "allah" (this includes Abraham, Moses, Isaiah et all), neither did the new testament christians ever refer to GOD as "allah"

What did OT & NT prophets called him in their languages please? Youy be dullard, how come we have the same word that has been giving you slelepness night in your bible?
Are the authors insane to have put the word or Arabs wrote the book and sytematically put the word there? Olodo

Fact 5. Since there is no known correlation (amongst the prophets) between the biblical Jehovah God and "allah", it is safe to state that christians and muslims do not worship the same "God"

My dullard friend, how come the word exist in your bible? Are your authors not intelligent enough to have decipher the truth?

Fact 6. The Ka`ba was a house devoted for the worship of the sun, the moon and the planets in the pre-mohammed era. You know what it is being used for now, right?

Facts please my lying friend

Fact 7. The feminine form of "allah" is called "allat" . Any explanation for this?

Liar provide your source please

Fact 8. Mohammed introduced no new god to arabians. He only ascended the status of "allah" from a minor god (in comparison with the moon and the sun) to the main god in arabia.

If he had introduced another god, why did he kicked against idol worshipping and Allah did that too in the Quran? Why do we have the word in your BIBLE?

Fact 9. Who/what is Sabean and Mineam? Pre-mohammed "allah" had 3 daughters who were worshipped along with him. They are al`-Uzzah (power), al-Lat (the goddess), and Manah (fate) why are they now not acknowledged in present day islam?

Liar, I have treated this times without number. The verses exposed you further:


Q53 v 19: Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza,

Q53 v 20: And another, the third (goddess), Manat?

Q53 v 21: What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?

Q53 v 22: Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!

Q53 v 123: These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!

Al-Lat was a white stone with inscriptions on. There was a house built around Al-Lat in At-Ta'if with curtains, servants and a sacred courtyard around it. The people of At-Ta'if, the tribe of Thaqif and their allies, worshipped Al-Lat. They would boast to Arabs, except the Quraysh, that they had Al-Lat.

Muhammad bin Ishaq narrated, "Al-Lat belonged to the tribe of Thaqif in the area of At-Ta'if. Banu Mu`attib were the custodians of Al-Lat and its servants.'' I say that the Prophet sent Al-Mughirah bin Shu`bah and Abu Sufyan Sakhr bin Harb to destroy Al-Lat.

Al-`Uzza was a tree on which the idolators placed a monument and curtains, in the area of Nakhlah, between Makkah and At-Ta'if. The Quraysh revered Al-`Uzza.'' During the battle of Uhud, Abu Sufyan said, "We have Al-`Uzza, but you do not have Al-`Uzza.

Manat was another idol in the area of Mushallal near Qudayd, between Makkah and Al-Madinah. The tribes of Khuza`ah, Aws and Khazraj used to revere Manat during the time of Jahiliyyah. They used to announce Hajj to the Ka`bah from next to Manat.

An-Nasa'i recorded that Abu At-Tufayl said, "When the Messenger of Allah conquered Makkah, he sent Khalid bin Al-Walid to the area of Nakhlah where the idol of Al-`Uzza was erected on three trees of a forest. Khalid cut the three trees and approached the house built around it and destroyed it. When he went back to the Prophet and informed him of the story, the Prophet said to him, (Go back and finish your mission, for you have not finished it.) Khalid went back and when the custodians who were also its servants of Al-`Uzza saw him, they started invoking by calling Al-`Uzza! When Khalid approached it, he found a naked woman whose hair was untidy and who was throwing sand on her head. Khalid killed her with the sword and went back to the Messenger of Allah.

Fact 10. Islam by the deeds and inactions of mohammed was conceived in idolatry, as there is no connection between allah and Jehovah God. That explains certain traditions and convictions of islam.

Liar.
Furnish your proof

"allah" is not and cannot be the God of the bible, allah had three daughters, the God of the bible had ONE begotten Son called JESUS.

They are not and cannot be the same.

I have replied, you only need to read again withouty being biased.

@Todak

Over to you

@Todak

Only if you justify
1 Q.4:89 - "They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper."

The above happened during the war time and I posted enough fact when I replied Lady. It happened when hypocrite brokered the peace treaty and would post it for you again to read without being biased. Olodo


88. Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.

89. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-

90. Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).

Narrated 'Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

I dont understand the above hadith please. Which hadith is the above please?
Who collected the hadith please?

When you are through, read again:

The facts show that Islam tolerates non - Muslim minorities within the Muslim Nation and treats them as independent nations free to worship and live according to their own religious laws. This was outlined in the Covenant of Medina which became the world's first written constitution in 622 AD.

[b]Part of the Covenant of Medina

Muhammad invited the Jews to join the new society as an independent nation, governed by rabbinical court, within the Muslim Nation. The Jews accepted and an agreement known as The Covenant of Medina was signed in 622 AD.

The covenant guaranteed all the parties equality and freedom of religion; emphasized the sanctity of Medina, life, and individual possessions; and prohibited crime.

The Covenant of Medina was a giant leap for mankind and established the basis for treating non-Muslim minorities within the Muslim Nation which ruled the civilized world for more than 8 centuries

The Crusades:

The "real" holy wars were waged by the Crusaders against the Muslims in the Middle East. The Crusaders were brutal in their treatment of Muslim prisoners of war and civilians. When the Crusaders conquered Jerusalem, they killed 70,000 Muslims. When the Muslims re-conquered the city they did not kill anybody.

Orthodox Christians were considered heretics and therefore did not escape the Crusaders' brutality. The Orthodox Churches, which were safe during centuries of Muslim rule, were looted by the Crusaders. The Holy Grail was not the only thing the Crusaders took from the Orthodox churches.

When Muslims ended the Crusades by re-conquering Acre from the Crusaders, Pope Nicolas IV barred Christians from selling timber to Muslims. This embargo did not result in persecution of the Christians in the Muslim countries.

Check my full response to Lady and be enlightened, Olodo

@Todak

I have been telling you guys to get your fact right before discussing with me. I perused through all you posted but didnt see anywhere TERRORIST was mentioned.

Help me out please

Olodo Liar

@Noetic

when did mohammed have sex with his 6 year old wife? who was the "allah" mohammeds father was worshipping?

Oga Liar . Do you care to furnish me where he had sex with a six year old wife?

@Todak

You are a great orator but a foolish one and on the wrong side, what do you know about a polygamy, do you think it is bread and butter, or as easy as it is pronounced, polygamy was practised in the old testament because of the heart of man was lustful, and since the new testament, it has been abolished,

My Olodo loves lying


Do you care to serve me the verses where it was abolished?
Do you care to give me verses where is stated that you must not marry more than one wife?
Could you tell me the verses saying its a sin to marry more than one in your bible?

Thanks

Lady,thanks for coming to the rescue of my dullard friends. The point am making is to test how knowledgeable they are since they derive so much pleasure in showing their ignorance in islam section but forgot that there are issues in christianity which am very aware of with facts hence my reversion to islam. David and his cohorts have been asking 'intelligent questions' which my brothers and myself have been providing answers yet pretend as if same have not been provided. Though you didnt tell if he was crucified in Jerusalem or not and muddled up the exact time he was crucified because there are conflicting reports from the gospellers. I wouldnt want to go further cos all of us cannot be Muslims,Christians or whatever you believe in and the ideal is to respect each other. I have tasted Christianity,know one or two things about cults in the guise of society without being specific. I would want to stop since David and his friends are cowards but would continue if you,Lady want us to by replying this post and if ignored,I would put a stop as well cos it will continue to cause rancour. The ball is in your court. As for David,he is not knowledgeable to discuss and continue being evasive.

Do they need to roll away the stone for a dead body to resurrect? A dead body does not need anybody to move any stone for it to pass through because its already a spirit and can pass through a closed door without any man's assistance but in this very case,the angel or jesus' secret friends had to help him move the stone to be able to pass so that the alleged prophecy would b fulfilled but it was never as it turned out to be cruci-FICTION

@Horus

Still no answer as usual. Koran 3:106  tells you evil people on judgment day will be cursed and their faces will turn black,that is racism. that religion is obviously not for african people.
Then why is the Kaaba covered with a black cloth called a kiswa, if black is symbolic of sin?

Oga na wa for you. So you still havent understood?
For the fact that their faces would be black doesnt show any discrimination. There is no verse that says Black would not go to heaven, what matter most is piety. Allah does not look at your skin color, race, etc but your heart. We are all one in the presence of Allah regardless of skin color.

Here are some verses for you though they are many, showing that Allah is after your piety:

Quran 19 v 72: Then we shall save those who used to fear Allah and were dutiful to Him. And we shall leave the polytheists and wrongdoers therein humbled to their knees in Hell fire.

Quran 2 v 277: Truly, those who believe and do deeds of righteousness [/b]and perform As-Salat and give Zakat, they will have their reward with their Lord. On them shall be no fear , nor shall they grieve.

Quran 8 v 2: The believers are only those who, when Allah is mentioned, feel a fear in their hearts and when this verse (this Quran) are recited unto them, they (i.e the verses) increase their faith, and they put their trust in their Lord (alone)

No verses saying Black would go to Hell.

[b]This is for you

Quran 19 v 67 - 68: And man (the disbeliever) says: 'when I am dead, shall I then be raised up alive"?

v 67: Does not man remember that we created him before, while he was nothing?

v 68: So by your Lord, surely, we shall gather them together, and (also) the shaitan (with them), then we shall bring them round Hell on their knees.

v 69: Then indeed we shall drag out from every sect a

This is Not a lie ,the whole World know that this "Prophet"  married and had sex with a 9-year-old girl,yes 9,this mean that he was a  Pedophile

Ok sir. Its a free world but read this first ton understand who a pedophile is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

@Horus

This is Not from me but from the Koran. In fact in the Koran it tells you evil people on judgment day will be cursed and their faces will turn black, Koran 3:106, that is racism. that religion is obviously not for african people
And I say it Again,This is not from me but your Koran (Koran 3:106),so dont say that it come from me because you know very well that it come from your Koran.(Go and have a look at Koran 3:106) Ok!!!!!!!!! Grin

LMAO . Na wa for interpretation o. I feel you my brother

On the Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection) when some faces will become white and some faces will become black; as for those whose faces will become black (to them will be said): "Did you reject Faith after accepting it? Then taste the torment (in Hell) for rejecting Faith."

There are sites, books on that and answers have been provided here and there on NL.

@Mactao

Like I said in my a different thread, it's impossible to make a lot of sense out of the Bible without the help of the Holy Spirit. Therefore we do not expect the heathen to understand the Bible the way we do. Why? Because they do not have the Holy Spirit.

Dont try to spoon feed with that. The bible has no secret interpretation in case you have not got to that in your bible.

Where was he crucified?
What time was he crucified?
In Jerusalem or outside?



@Bawomolo

you know, it would be advisable if we remained spectators and avoid the royal rumble Tongue

I would appreciate it that way. They have been showing their ignorance in Islamic section thinking that they know their religion or Jesus they worship but few of them know the truth while the rest like Davidylan, Todak, No2atheism, Noetic are being brainwashed and rely on what the pastors tell them.

I am willing to discuss with four of them put together to expose the lies therein.

@Horus\\

Prophet Mohamed was a pedophile.

Na lie. Table it and lets discuss. This issue has been dealt with on NL times without numbers.

@Horus

If the black stone turned black because of sins (racist statement) of those who touche

d it,

Black stone did not turn black because of sin of those who touched it, its a lie. You even claimed that it was racist statement but still wonder why you believe in such?

then why is the Ka'ba covered with a black cloth called a kiswa, if black is symbolic of sin?

Black is not a symbol of sin. Do you mean those wearing black clothes are sinners or those driving black cars?

@Davidylan\


Unintelligently evaded my questions.

There are NO answers there . . . besides we know masjid doesnt have to be a building BUT mohammad himself claimed to have tied his horse to the ring by the door. He describes a building! You dishonest swine cant swindle us here.

Do you care to furnish where he made the claim? Olodo somebody

@Daidylan

My deluded friend . I know that the questions on missing verses would be too hard for you to answer. I wonder where KJV sees its own verses when its not in original manuscript?

You have dubiosly evaded the question trying to cover it with another unrelated topic which Lagosboy and myself answered.

which temple did Mohammad visit and worship in Jerusalem?

In case you missed, this happened to be Lagosboy response to you and No2atheism

ansswered this question yeterday and i categoricaly told you i am not moving round a cycle , if you accept fine and if you dont then hold on to your opinion priod. I am not hear to win an arguement but to explain the true islamic perspective according to my ability.

Muhammed visited Al aqsa masjid, which was the location of the temple of solomon , which was earlier the location where Abraham also carried out wonderful things. The site has been a holy site from d days of abraham way before solomons father david. Calling the place temple of solomon is because solomon built the temple there.

There was a temple there during the times of muhammed and this was used by priests and rabbis as far as i know.

This was my response:

Na wa o. Your ignorance knows no bounds. To you, Mosque is a building abi, you be olodo just like Davidylan Grin

Quran chapter 17 verse 1 talks about the a sacred mosque in Mecca and we should ask ourselves if any building like mosque apart from the Kabah exist then? It shows that masjid refers to a place of performing prostration and not necessarily a building as you have been thinking.

Quran 17 v 1. Glory to ((Allah)) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things).

M[b]asjid which refers to a Site, Temple or Mosque is a place that is fit for prostration whether it is a building or not and it could be used for non-Islamic place of worship[/b] as well as Quran 17 verse 7 when the jews were punished for their arrogance:

17 v 7: If ye did well, ye did well for yourselves; if ye did evil, (ye did it) against yourselves. So when the second of the warnings came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to disfigure your faces, and to enter your Temple as they had entered it before, and to visit with destruction all that fell into their power.

We could see from the above that masjid is a place of worship, just like the Temple was used for the children of Israel. It does not have to be a building but but could be an area with boundaries.

Also the Holy Prophet made us kown that every place on earth is a Masjid when he said that:

'The earth has been made for me [and for my followers] a "masjid" [a place for prostration] and a means of purification. Therefore, my followers can pray wherever the time of a prayer is due'.

Al-Masjid al-Aqsa and the surrounding area (i.e., Dome of the Rock among others) is usually identified with the place where the Temple of Solomon once stood and you may check Encyclopaedia Judaica for facts.

Before Jerusalem came under the control of Muslims in 638, it was widely understood that al-Aqsa mosque is the same as David's sanctuary. When Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattāb (580-644) was given the key to the city by the Patriarch of Jerusalem, Sophronius, he signed with him a treaty that is known as the "Covenant of Omar" and he later asked the Patriarch of Jerusalem to show him what Umar spelled out as "Masjid Dawood" (Mosque of David). This was called David's sanctuary or prayer niche (mihrab Dawud), in

Quran 38 v 21: 21. And has the news of the litigants reached you? When they climbed over the wall into (his) Mihrâb (a praying place or a private room,).

David chose the site on which Solomon built his temple. It was an abandoned place and abused by the Romans and the Church at the time. The Patriarch took him to the door of the sanctuary which was almost blocked due to the trash that was placed at the door. Umar looked left and right and said: “Allah is Great, I swear by the one who holds my soul in his hand that this is the Mosque of David which the prophet of Allah described to us after his night journey.” The Caliph Umar started cleaning up the place. He asked Ka'ab al-Ahbar a Jewish Rabbi who had converted to Islam and came with Umar from Medina, to guide him to the place of the Rock. Umar used his cloths to remove the trash covering the Rock, and other Muslims did what Umar was doing. After cleaning up the place, Umar went to the al-Mihrab (a chamber inside the Mosque where the Imam usually stands) and started praying and reading Surat Sad from Quran.


Neal Robinson states:
The [Muslim] tradition which identifies it [i.e., al-Masjid al-Aqsa] with the Temple Mount in Jerusalem makes admirable sense in view of the fact that the 'place of worship' (masjid) whose destruction is evoked in v. 7 [i.e., 17:7] is clearly the Temple.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-259831.0.html

Deny it again. Olodo somebody

Now, to a lower generations, what is name of God according to Abraham, Moses and Jesus. I think all of them came before Muhammad.

Can someone dare the proof, then can clear the differences of which God Muslims, Christians or Jew is serving.

Over to you Davidylan, Noetic, Todak, No2atheism

@Noetic

of course not. He was a baby, who was crying in the wilderness when there was no food or water.

why did allah lie to u that ishmael was 17. . .allah must be a lying goat Grin Grin Grin Grin

You can see that you are a dullard and further shows that you have not been reading your bible but being fed with lies by your pastors.

Your bible claimed that he was 17 and NOT THE QURAN. Olodo .
Learn your bible before discussing with Babs

Read again:\

t is clear from the story in Genesist that Ishmael was a little baby at that time. Abraham was 86 years old when Ishmael was born and 100 years old when he gave birth to Isaac meaning that Ishmael was already 14 years old when Isaac was born.

We also learnt that the incident took place when Isaac was weaned and was around 3 year old meaning that Ishamel was a fully grown teenager, 17 year old but his story in Genesis 21 showed that Ishmael was a baby and not a full grown teenager.

Having got the fact from the bible that he was 17 years when sent away, we read verses thus:

Genesis 21

14-21

14 Early next morning Abraham took some food and a full water-skin and gave them to Hagar. He set the child on her shoulder and sent her away, and she wandered about in the wilderness of Beersheba.

Can a 17 year old lad be put on the back?

Also

15 When the water in the skin was finished, she thrust the child under a bush,

Does the above paint a 17 year old kid?

Deluded liar.

Mary went to his tomb this morning being Sunday but couldnt find him there, he has risen.

He died on Friday and rose on Sunday morning NOT fulfilling the three days and three nights prophecy.

@Mazaje

Do you know those who wrote the Quran and do they understand Hebrew?

Olodo

OLODO .

Cant hold a discussion with Babs

@Horus

If the black stone turned black because of sins (racist statement) of those who touched it, then why is the Ka'ba covered with a black cloth called a kiswa, if black is symbolic of sin?

You can do better than this infantile post. You said a back stone turned black and something fell from heaven, do you care to provide me the link pls?

If there is discrimination against black, why was Bilal, the first ethiopian muslim accepted into the fold of Islam?

@Noetic

Which one have I not answered. You dont just post thrash but back your lies with facts.Olodo somebody

@Noetic, Davidylan

What questions have you asked that answers have not been provided. Escapist. This is different thread and you should be bold enough to debate with me.

@Davidylan

the age is certainly calculated from the bible . . . allah didnt mention anything like that in his plagiarised pseudo-bible called the quran . . . that's why he cant confirm from there for us.

It is clear from the story in Genesist that Ishmael was a little baby at that time. Abraham was 86 years old when Ishmael was born and 100 years old when he gave birth to Isaac meaning that Ishmael was already 14 years old when Isaac was born.

We also learnt that the incident took place when Isaac was weaned and was around 3 year old meaning that Ishamel was a fully grown teenager, 17 year old but his story in Genesis 21 showed that Ishmael was a baby and not a full grown teenager.

Having got the fact from the bible that he was 17 years when sent away, we read verses thus:

Genesis 21

14-21

14 Early next morning Abraham took some food and a full water-skin and gave them to Hagar. He set the child on her shoulder and sent her away, and she wandered about in the wilderness of Beersheba.

Can a 17 year old lad be put on the back?

Also

15 When the water in the skin was finished, she thrust the child under a bush,

Does the above paint a 17 year old kid?