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@Davidylan

They did. Christ's birth was foretold by prophet Isaiah among others.

You must not run like you did in that thread opened for you. Could you serve me the prophecies please?
Why was he only the christian among them?

Here we go again . . . when islam cant be proven just blame the bible authors. Blind liars. Why are muslims forever seeing traces of islam in the bible? Can islam not stand on its own two freaking legs?

The truth is there for you to read. Now since you claimed that I blamed it on authors, could you furnish me the time Jesus was crucified?
His last words?
The calculation of three days and three nights prophecy


Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 08:49:45 PM
Exodus 3:4-5 When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, "Moses! Moses!" And Moses said, "Here I am." "Do not come any closer," God said. "TAKE OFF YOUR SANDALS, for the place WHERE you are STANDING is HOLY GROUND.

Stupid. The reason Moses was told to take off his sandals was not because of hygiene . . . Moses was standing in bushes (brown earth) it would have been cleaner to stand in his shoes than stand barefeet in the sand.

You do have reading problem. Read again for understanding. Why did he God tell him to remove his shoes?

Here it is again:
Before each prayer Muslims would know wash; perform wudhu (ablution), this is not because we think we are dirty, it is for hygiene practice and you would agree washing and feet etc five times a day is good practice for hygiene purposes. Also for it preparations physiologically and to get you ready mentally and not only that but it is a command by God to Moses and Aaron.

You people need to engage ur brains.

That goes to you.

Wait so on this basis muslims present daily burnt offerings to allah? Where are your own levitical priests? The command to wash hands and feet was given only to the levitical priesthood since only they offered offerings on behalf of the people. The other jews didnt have to.

Now, since God commanded them to do that, why is Jesus case an exception and why is he a christian? Are all the children of Aaron and Moses priests?

3 times a day was Daniel's style not a commandment from God, slowpoke. Was Daniel also a prophet of islam? Where is his name in your quran?

Do you care to show me his religion and I would show that he is a Muslim. No hiding this time because you have murdered sleep. Show me his religion.

What a fool. Ever read Exodus at all?

I did and thats why I was able to bring your lies in one of the biblical chapters. Serve me your fraud again in Exodus and I would expose you further. You all lied that Moses wrote the first five books and I could remember that you claimed that it was penned down by those after him why Shahan claimed that it was written by Moses himself. The die is cast, your lies, forgery would no longer be tolerated. Serve me your prophecies and it would all be explained. I would tell you that I started reading the bible before you.

Facing jerusalem was not because they worshipped jerusalem . . . they did so facing the temple in Jerusalem. The temple was a symbol of Jehovah's presence on earth. What is all the rubbish about "fostering unity"? Muslims now have the effontery to tell jews the reason they perform their religious rites? Desperate fools.

What have you said here. Have you been able to refute my posts, you couldnt do again but sounding childish. Wake up man, you are discussing with someone that would teach you your bible.

Its everywhere in the bible slowpoke.

Serve me then as done by all the bilical prophets.

One thing is certain, there was no mosque when Daniel faced Jerusalem.

Try to post sensibly. Did they face Mosque when praying? Original Olodo

Foolish idiot . . . when was the al aqsa mosque built? Was it one of the things the Romans destroyed in Jerusalem in AD 70? The romans never mentioned destroying anything belonging to muslims, infact as at then muslims didnt exist.

Do you care if you and I open a thread for the above quote of yours?

@Bhola

This is what I enjoy most here, Babs and co, when you want to defend something, you quote the bible. When a xtian say something from the bible, you say it is corrupt. Please make up your mind. Is it corrupt or not? And if it is, how do u know? I mean, where is the uncorrupted one you are comparing it with? Abi, you just know it is corrupt ni?

I dont blame you because you rely on the verses giving to you by your leaders. Do you mind me giving you facts to show that its corrupt and by the way. Did God reveal Bible to Jesus?

Jesus was never a Muslim. They can keep telling you the same thing over and over and over and over again, it doesn't make it true. Maybe, just maybe, you will spend 85% studying your quran and just leave our corrupt bible alone. Its a wonder, how many of you know the bible inside out and very few xtians have ever touched not to talk of read the quran, cos frankly, it doesn't make sense. Seriously, when I read some quote on here, I have to read it like twice to understand.

Was he ever a christian? show me the facts
Whby was he only christians while others before him are not?
Did he pray in Jewish tmeple or built his own church?

@Davidylan

bla bla bla bla . . . focus on the issues you habitual liars.
You think you can just waltz in here and pull the wool over my eyes like you do others? You want me to be civil with you then respect my own faith. You totally denigrate it when you make false statements like Jesus was a prophet. No He isnt a prophet of allah, He is God in Heaven, Ruler of all Life, Saviour of my soul . . .

David, you know Babs from inception and who he is when it comes to debate, even heated ones, I have tabled facts all these while and if you think you can discuss ISLAM and CHRISTIANITY with me, do away with your foul language and we go into the bible and the Quran.

If would be civil, let me know, I would to questions that seems too hard for you and would also go into your religion with regards to the stand of Jesus using your bible and would see that Muslims have been giving you facts with regards to bible. I may not even go into the Quran but would see that you would only shoud DENIGRADE when presented his stands in the BIBLE.

now buzz off. Next time you come here spewing islamic drivel you bet i'd be here to set you straight.

I thought you would change but you never did. Try to be civil. It goes to show the kind of home you came from.

@Assamuel

Welcome back and I do hope you would not run away like you did when your falsehood was exposed and never waited to reply.

David,you dont have to show me the kind of home you came from that you never received home training or did but your present environment made you one. The way we relate shows the kind of home we came from,our background. I have not asked for so much here and i have been acommodating your unruly behaviour but seems like its part of you. If you are being brought up that way,so be it. I wasnt raised that way and it has been helping me. Its not compulsory that you respond if you cannot be respectful. Its a fact that ita ni won ma ti ko omo ti ko ni eko ile. Am putting a stop to any discussion with you cos your situation aggravates. I cannot stand your uncouth,unruly,nonchallant atitude. I respect myself and do to others but you never practiced do unto others what you would like to be done to you. When you are ready to do away with your vituperations,am available to discuss with you.

You are having a big problem. I asked you which of the two questions came first and you went talking about the bible. Am not sure you are ok at all. You came crying that i should answer when you ignored the ones that were asked first. Are you sure you are ok? Did you read me referring to the bible or questions asked? This todler has a problem

@Davidyolan

I will definitely respond to your questions but let me quickly drop this:

Why did the christian not follow the prophets?

This is absolute rubbish! How is it possible that Adam, Moses, David, Solomon all said those meaningless prayers and their descendants had ABSOLUTELY NO RECORD OF SUCH
Where did he instructed them to do so pls?

You ignored this:

If where those before Jesus prayed to happened to be jewish temple, Jesus too being a jew could have prayed there but was a christian, did he build his own church or jewish temple or pray in the temple built by those before him?

It was due to the handword of the authors, writing to suite you but you would see the traces of Islam in the bible:

Exodus 3:4-5  When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, "Moses! Moses!" And Moses said, "Here I am." "Do not come any closer," God said. "TAKE OFF YOUR SANDALS, for the place WHERE you are STANDING is HOLY GROUND.

Before each prayer Muslims would know wash; perform wudhu (ablution), this is not because we think we are dirty, it is for hygiene practice and you would agree washing and feet etc five times a day is good practice for hygiene purposes. Also for it preparations physiologically and to get you ready mentally and not only that but it is a command by god to Moses and Aaron. 

Exodus 30:17-21  Then the LORD said to Moses, "Make a bronze basin, with its bronze stand, for WASHING. Place it between the Tent of Meeting and the altar, and put water in it. Aaron and his sons are to WASH their HANDS and FEET with water from it. Whenever they enter the Tent of Meeting, they shall wash with water so that they will not die. Also, when they approach the altar to minister by presenting an offering made to the LORD by fire, they shall wash their hands and feet so that they will not die. This is to be a lasting ordinance for Aaron and his descendants for the generations to come."

The idea here is they wash hands and feet before prayer. In performance of Muslim prayer, Muslims prostrate to God all in one direction Makkah. Makkah is just a direction not what is actually worshipped. If everyone had a different direction then one would say pray north other will say south etc. It is so Muslims are united in one direction to our prayer and show there unity and commitment to god. Muslims prostrate in their prayer to God.

Genesis 17:2-4  I will confirm my covenant between me and you and will greatly increase your numbers." Abram FELL FACEDOWN, and God said to him, "As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 

Numbers 20:6  Moses and Aaron went from the assembly to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting and FELL FACEDOWN, and the glory of the LORD appeared to them. 

1 Kings 18:42  So Ahab went off to eat and drink, but Elijah climbed to the top of Carmel, BENT DOWN TO THE GROUND and PUT HIS FACE BETWEEN HIS KNEES.  What Elijah did in the Muslim prayer is called the ruk’u   

Mathew 26:39  Going a little farther, he FELL WITH HIS FACE TO THE GROUND AND PRAYED, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."    When Muslim pray they are not only praying to god but copying the positional techniques of prayer that were adopted or even commanded upon the prophets in their method of prayer to god.

Daniel 6:10
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before.

- If Jerusalem DID NOT exist during the time of Adam, Moses, Isaac and co . . . how could they have been praying facing a direction they didnt know?

Oga, do you have understanding problem. I told you that Islam practised then is not the same as the one we do now in terms of 5 times daily prayer etc and its during the last prophet's time that it was made complete. There are verses in the Quran supporting their being a Muslim but none of your chapters could point to them performing jewish rites.

- If they faced that direction at all then WHY? Who told them to face the direction to nowhere?

Oga, you reason like a kid. Do you remember the sunday school story of Abraham when he wanted to worship God, saw moon and thought that it was God, saw stars thought it was God etc? Facing Jerusalem doesnt mean that they worship Jerusalem, its only a direction fostering Unity. Remember that God sent the prophets to different community at different time. Some do pray Subhi, while some Maghrib etc or do you have it anywhere they performed jewish rites when worshipping God?

- What was in Jerusalem that they were facing?

You dey ask thaT QUESTION, you be omode truly. Its God's decision and not mine/

- When the jews started praying to Jerusalem . . . they did so facing the temple of Jehovah?
Was Allah's mosque also there at that same time?

Are you saying there is was no Mosque then? Now do a google search. find out about Al-Aqsa mosque, where it is and when done, let me know, we continue. Olodo

Which one came first or you check the date if young age is affecting you.

@Davidylan

You care quick at telling me to answer your questions but took you many hours to reply my questions in another thread opened for you.

- Adam, Abraham, Moses, Ishmael, Isaac ALL NEVER saw Jerusalem . . . to which direction did they pray?

For the fact that Jerusalem might not have existed doesnt mean that they couldnt have faced that direction and facing that direction doesnt mean that they prayed to Jrusalem. The prophets prayed then but not as we do now. Some pray only Subhi, Zhuri etc but it was only the prophet's time that it was made complete.

- Arabs started praying towards Jerusalem AFTER Mohammad instructed them to. Up till then ONLY jews prayed towards jerusalem.

Where did he instructed them to do so pls?

- When Romans destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70 where were these "muslim" arabs?

Now, when Roman destroyed Jerusalem, was everybody killed, sparing not a single soul?

- If those who prayed towards jerusalem were muslims then it automatically means jews are muslims no?

Why then does allah hate them?

If where those before Jesus prayed to happened to be jewish temple, Jesus too being a jew could have prayed there but was a christian, did he build his own church or jewish temple or pray in the temple built by those before him?

Davidylan

Pls show us where allah's prophecy that the jews would be destroyed has come to pass.

the biblical prophecy that the jews would be destroyed and scattered abroad to the four corners of the earth came to pass exactly as said. The prophecy that God would gather them back to Israel has also come to pass.

Care to tell us why allah's own claims are turning out to be a bogus lie?

Do you think you are discussing with some of your folks? You gace that chapter using it to buttress palestinian Israeli conflict that the prophecy is for that conflict and I asked you some questions which you have not been able to. Do so brother and lets move on

Who wrote this book?
When was it written?
Was it revealed in relation to the wars fought by the tribe of judah then or not?
Was there any war after the revelation?
Were jews killed in Jerusalem killed after that or not?
Was Jerusalem not taken from Jews after the revelation?

@Davidylan

Funny how you evaded the original questions of this thread, resorted to posting garbagei n which you yourself would not be able to back with facts.

what a fraudulent liar.

You are having reading problem.

1. Me and you did not talk about palestine AT ALL.

You are having comprehension problem. My using the word 'we' didnt mean I referred to you and I alone but all the posters in that thread.

2. Darkpower FIRST posted what he claimed was the quran's prediction of the destruction of Israel . . . i countered with Zech 12 and asked him pointedly - which of the two prophecies is coming true today? well certainly not that of allah since his slaves have suffered humiliating defeats for 60yrs and for many many many more to come until they are finally destroyed.

You have not been able to refute what he posted while I have done that to your pack of lies, providing you questions that seemed too much for you. I opened this thread because of your false prophecy and gave you some questions to see if we could apply the prophecy after having gone into the chapters itself. You can only fool yourself but not NL that read the posts here. You should be a man and stop acting like a coward. Your Zechariah 12 happened to be a lie and if you think its not a lie, you should be able to answer those questions and we move forward.

@Davidylan

Let me have your questions listed and I would respond. Mind you, you shouldnt run when questions are being asked as well using my book and your book.

Set the ball rolling.

I tire for this David o. You'l provide response and would ask another,not being able to respond to questions. We could go into details if you really want to know about the prophets,religion. Yeye stubborn David

@Recognise

When you are done, I would like to now if OT God is different from NT.

@Davidylan

why is mohammad not coming?

You should ask your Creator that question. Jesus didnt die and he is coming to tell you that and to die like those before him.

@Daidylan

Can you point to JUST ONE "prophet" of islam besides mohammad . . . who is historically recognised to have existed (with proof) that is NOT a biblical character? Why are ALL the above either Jews or progenitors of the Jews? Where are the prophets from the tribe of ishmael?

Prophet that is not of bible charater ke? Na wa for this David o. How could that be possible when they all came from the same Creator with same message? Think man and stop behavng childish.

Infact it rather shows us how DISHONEST he was. Co-opting virtually ALL popular jewish prophets and then claiming they were muslims so as to pull the wool over our eyes. Where is the proof that Ezekiel was a "prophet" of allah?
Why does Ezekiel have an ENTIRE BOOK in the bible but NONE in allah's quran?

Is Ezekiel a Christian? Can you show me his religion from your book and we discuss?

@Davidylan

where was there qibla? Why do we have no recorded existence of a mosque prior to mohammad? Who did they pray to? Since they werent using arabic then what language were they using and WHY has allah suddenly decided to use arabic only since mohammad?

Ignorance is really a disease and if they ask you simple question(s), you would start jumping from frying pan to fry in search of what to say.

If you are not conversant with the Quran, you would have heard that Qiblah faced Jerusalem before it was changed. All prophets happened to be Muslims. They pray then but not five times daily prayer and no particular Qiblah but Jerusalem but it was during Muhammad (saw)'s time tha Islam WA MADE PERFECT. It was during his time that the prayer was made into five times and the Qiblah changed.

i would also tell you that Arabic was adopted as a universal language to foster unity and easiness to pray anywhere with any country, tribe provided they are muslims. A muslim can go to anywhere and pray with fellow muslims since the use the same language to pray and say same things unlike you people that would be looking for their church whenever they move out of their location and when that is not available they would not be able to. Like a white garment member cannot go to Redeem with his garment to worship nor can a catholic go to Kingdom hall to worship etc. The arabic language fosters unity.

Where are the books of these prophets in your quran? Why are they all jews and NONE from the tribe of Ishmael?

Which book are you asking for when you have their stories in the Quran and even if they happened to be jews, they are all MUSLIMS and none is a christian. Deny that and provide e where they happened to be christians and when you do, we would trace it to the time of Adam down to Moses in which you know that they couldnt have been christians and how could only Jesus be christians among prophet when they all came with the same MESSAGE.

Answer these questions my friend and stop snivelling around.

Read up and revert.

@Davidlyan

I can see that you are trying desperately to divert this thread.

Exactly what "questions"? why is he interested in studying Zechariah 12? For how long will ye hopeless sons of the devil forever depend on the bible to cover your porous quran?

I have never a human being as mischievous as you. How could you be crying now when you started it. We talked about palestine and you brought up Zachariah 12 claiming that its the prophecy towards Palstinian-Israeli crisis but forgot that you could deceive your fellows but not MUSLIMS here and when your lies was exposed, you started dancing Atilogwu dance, looking for what to say. You should be able to answer those questions having put the chapter forward as the prophecy to the current crisis but having forgotten that it has nothing to do with it. If I could even refresh your memory, Hitler war came after the prophecy and you should know what happened to jews then,

Why have we NO threads "studying" mohammad's own alleged prophecies but tons of eager muslims keen on studying Zech 12? When i asked darkpower and babs to tell us something about their own quranic prophecies they fled . . . only to appear here crying about Zech 12.

You dig your own grave and if you really want to study the Quran, create a thread and I would oblige you.

and what can be said of som1 who rejoices at every palestinian killed, who supports all the atrocities of isreal with no tangible reasons and proud;y backs the atrocities up with his holy book, the bible.

Some rely on the western propaganda and never confirmed what they hear while some act stupidly, rejoice at the killing of palestinian. Allah will definitely shame the hypocrite. To go into the story, they couldnt but quick at posting false prophecies they couldnt stand when exposed.

He that knows not, and knows not that he knows not is a fool

Sure. 100% fool.

@Davidylan

muslims again spending too much time and resources on Jesus . . . why do they find Him so attractive?

I tried reading the pamphlet . . . 98% of it is quoting from the bible to justify islam. You begin to wonder why islam cant just seem to stand on its own.

Hope you are aware that Jesus is a Muslim and was never a Christian and a prophet before Muhammad.

Salam Alykun,

Wa alaykun Salam

Please what does one say when he returns from Rukuh after the Imam Says "Semi Alahu moni ami dau"

Rab-bana lakal hamd
Oh, our Lord, all the praises be to You

What does one say when he returns from sujud during the first sitting

Allahu Akbar
Allah is the Greatest

I'm not in my place and observing qasri prayers, Can i observe jam'un too?

What is Jamun?

Have I answered the questions?

Yes o. Its very serious. Jesus would be coming to die and tell disbelievers in Allah's proof, evidence, signs that he is the slave and messenger of Allah, sent to Israel alone, never died for your sin nor washed away your sins becaue the soul that sin would die and father would not bear the sin of son nor son would bear that of father.

Nache baa,

magana ya fiya a baki n mushin, magana mai kyao

What mushin said is good and is the truth. earthMama would marry Jarus. and she would be called "mama n duniya"

or better still

"in jarus ba shi son earthMama, za n aure ta Insha Allah

Thanks Professor . I say a big AMIN to your prayer .

@Davidylan

We use what you believe in to educate you.

Do we have christian prophets?

@Davidylan

How about you[b] sons of the devil [/b] study your own quran first? Afraid it contains nothing but fluff?

Are you really born again and I doubt if you are ever a christian because reading your bible, Jesus never told you to be abusive when discussing with someone. I have studied the quran, still doing that and thats the reason I am able to read other books because knowledge stops when someone dies.

Answer these your own questions in relation to the quran . . .

Who wrote this book?
When was it written?

You are well known for deflecting topics. You may create a thread for that and I will provide you detailed explanation

why is every muslim ALWAYS so anxious to go to the bible to prove the quran?

It us because you do not believe in the Quran. So I use what you believe in to educate you. I could remember that you brought up the book of Zachariah when discussing Palestine and when exposed, you could say anything reasonable and I could still remember that you and your friends use part of that chapter to refer to Jesus prophecy.

Is it because the quran is empty, lifeless and nothing but mumbo jumbo?

You know that it is more detailed than your book and happened to be the last message. You may create thread and we discuss.

Why is babs not interested in reading the quran to show us just how allah's own prophecies have debunked those of Zech 12?

I have been reading the Quran as well as the bible and there is nowhere the alleged prophecy go with Palestine issue. Besides, I asked you some questions but you couldnt provide answers but your usual hide and seek game.

How many christians do you see struggling to read the quran?

They are afraid to do that because they would be exposed and move away from darkness to light.

Confused hypocrites.

Liar that couldnt answer very straight forward questions. I have debunked most of your alleged prophecies that you use to deceive people and would continue shedding light as you bring them.

@Pastor AIO, KOla Oloye

Christians say that Jesus referred to Holy spirit when he mentioned that he would send another comforter but they forgot that the holy Spirit has been in existence and 'another' used couldnt have been for holy spirit but someone like Jesus himself.

Injustice: Darkness on the Day of Judgment

Almighty Allah says in the Qur’an,

(They will ask you of the mountains (on that day). Say: My Lord will break them into scattered dust. And leave them as an empty plain; Wherein you see neither curve nor ruggedness. On that day they follow the summoner who deceive not, and voices are hushed for the Beneficent, and you hear but a faint murmur. On that day no intercession avail save (that of) him unto whom the Beneficent has given leave and whose word He accepts. He knows (all) that is before them and (all) that is behind them, while they cannot compass it in knowledge. And faces humble themselves before the Living, the Eternal. And he who bears (a burden of) wrongdoing is indeed a failure (on that day). And he who has done some good works, being a believer, he fears not injustice nor begrudging (of his wage)) (Ta-Ha 20:105-112)

This is an image of the Day of Judgment in the Noble Qur`an; the day on which all creation will humble itself and submit to Almighty Allah, the Ever-Living who never dies, the Eternal who never sleeps. On that day the scales will be established, justice will prevail and every person will receive his right. On that day, as reported in a Divine Hadith, Allah the Exalted will say,

“By My power and might the injustice of an oppressor will not go unpunished by Me today.” (Reported by As-Syuti)

In an authentic hadith, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said,

“Beware of injustice as indeed injustice will be darkness on the Day of Judgment.” (Muslim)

Therefore, absolute failure is due to the one who comes on that day having committed injustice as,

(he who bears iniquity is indeed a failure.) (Ta-Ha 20:111)

Wisdom dictates that everything must be put in its proper place and justice dictates that both scales of the balance must be equal. However, injustice is the antithesis of each of these and the life of this world is not free from oppressors and the oppressed. Despite this, Almighty Allah loves wisdom and justice and consequently, He aids those who are oppressed. At the same time, He hates injustice and oppression, as He says in the Qur`an,

(your Lord is not in the least unjust to the servants.) (Fussilat 41:46)

Also, in another verse Almighty Allah says,

(Surely Allah does not do any injustice to men, but men are unjust to themselves.) (Yunus 10:44)

Injustice to One's Self[/color]

One form of injustice is the oppression of one’s own soul by committing sins and disobeying Almighty Allah which He has forbidden. This is not all however, as oppression of one’s own soul may also take the form of preventing oneself from the pleasure of being obedient to Almighty Allah, one's Lord and Creator, as there is nothing more enjoyable to a pure soul than the pleasure of worshipping its Lord and to exist in the blessing of serving Him. One may also be guilty of oppressing one's own soul if one believes that to bring about benefit, harm, giving, fear, hope and trusting can be done by created beings. How can this be possible when a person is unable to bring about benefit, harm, life or death for himself let alone anyone else? All this is a sole right for Almighty Allah, as He says in the Qur`an,

(Verily, to Him (belong) the creation and the Command) (Al-A`raf 7:54)

Injustice to Others[color=#990000]

Rulers Toward Their Subjects:

The oppression of one’s soul may become injustice to others and this is what we hear often in the lives of people. For example, this is apparent in the oppression of rulers with regard to their subjects. Let us consider some of the issues that people often neglect, considering them insignificant and unimportant while they are great in the sight of Almighty Allah.

Children Toward Parents:

First, is the oppression of children towards their parents. Being disobedient is one of the greatest sins, as the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) informed us. As such, you see such people failing to obey their parents, disrespecting them, being ill-mannered toward them, showing dislike and disdain for them, and denying the good they have done for them, despite the fact that they are one of the main reasons for their existence on earth.

Parents Toward Children:

In contrast, if we were to examine the oppression of parents towards their children we would find that it is a dangerous ailment and a cause of great corruption. Parents’ oppression against their children begins when they fail to teach them the rules and principles of their religion. This is compulsory on parents who should teach their children things like purification, Prayer and the rulings regarding such acts of worship. Similarly, parents oppress their children by failing to teach them the foundations and principles of Islamic manners and by allowing them to roam freely, without accountability or responsibility, and to accompany those who are ill-mannered. In addition, children are oppressed by their parents when their bodies are nourished with illegal wealth, such as that gained from usury, interest and forbidden transactions. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said:

"Every body which has been nourished with illegal gains is more deserving of Hellfire." (Authinticated by Al-Albani)

Between Husbands and Wives:[/color]

Another form of injustice is that of the husband regarding his wife and that of the wife regarding her husband. Almighty Allah has ordered the husband to live in harmony with his wife. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) has ordered man to fear Almighty Allah regarding his wife saying,

“… fear Allah regarding women, as indeed you have taken them with the trust of Allah and made permissible for yourselves their bodies with the word of Allah.” (Muslim)

The wife is requested to be obedient to her husband in that which is good and to protect her husband’s home, wealth and children. Similarly, the husband is ordered to teach his family the rulings of Islam, especially those which are specific to women, with regard to purification and dress codes; This is beside providing housing, food, and clothing.

People Toward Each Other[color=#990000]

One of the most common forms of injustice that occurs among people is when they attack one another in terms of their body, wealth and honor. Indeed, this is very common in our daily lives. However, the successful and saved person is the one who left this world having neither Muslim blood on his hands, Muslim wealth in his pockets nor launched his tongue abusing the reputation of any person. Thus, his good deeds will be secured and he will be saved from carrying the sins of others. Therefore, people should be aware of the supplication of the oppressed as it rises to Almighty Allah and there is no barrier between it and Him.

Injustice Toward Almighty Allah[color=#990000][/color]

There is also a type of injustice that Almighty Allah will not forgive, and that is to associate partners with Him (shirk). The oppression of one’s own soul may be forgiven by means of repentance, seeking Allah’s forgiveness, and doing the good deeds that expiate sins.

In addition, Almighty Allah does not allow His creation to simply oppress one another with no accountability. Indeed, every one will get his/her rights back on the Day of Judgment and as such, no one will be saved on that day except by returning people’s belongings to them and requesting them to overlook and forgive such injustices.

If your power over people encourages you to oppress them, remember the power Almighty Allah has over you and remember your meeting in the hereafter with the Most Just of Judges. Those who oppressed their brothers or sisters in terms of wealth or reputation or any other matter, should seize the opportunity in this life to free themselves from their acts of injustice before a day comes when neither wealth nor prestige will avail them, as the judgment of good and bad deeds on that day will be settled. If a person had done good deeds, they will be taken from him/her according to the amount of injustice he/she committed, while if a person had not done any good deeds, the sins of the one he/she oppressed will be placed upon him/her until his/her scales will become heavy with the sins of others. In this regard, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said,

"Do you know who the bankrupt is?" They – the Companions - said, "A bankrupt person is the one who has neither dirham (money) nor wealth." The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "The bankrupt person among my followers (Ummah) is the one who would come on the Day of Judgment with Prayers, fasting, and zakah; but would have offended one person, slandered another, devoured others' wealth, shed the blood of this person, and hit that person.[Consequently] his rewards will be distributed to all of them and when he has been exhausted before their account is fulfilled, then their sins will be taken and cast upon him and he will be thrown into Hellfire.” (Muslim)

Therefore, Muslims must fear Almighty Allah, beware of oppression and be just in all thier affairs.

@Davidylan

You ignorantly linked and gave the chapters when talking about Palestinians-Israeli conflict in this thread https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-214554.0.html but failed to trace the history of when the chapter was written, many wars fought and also forgot to take exra care in reading the chapters for understanding. I noticed that most of bible thumpers quote chapters out of context without any understanding.

I therefotre provide the chapters as reeled out by you.

Zechariah 12

1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah [and] against Jerusalem.

3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem [shall be] my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.
6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, [even] in Jerusalem.

7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify [themselves] against Judah.

8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David [shall be] as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.

11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;

The Lord of Hosts hath declared it . . . BEHOLD who shall stand against HIM?

Who wrote this book?
When was it written?
Was it revealed in relation to the wars fought by the tribe of judah then or not?
Was there any war after the revelation?
Were jews killed in Jerusalem killed after that or not?
Was Jerusalem not taken from Jews after the revelation?

2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah [and] against Jerusalem.

Your instinct here should have told you it was during the war fought then in which the tribe of Judah happened to be one of the victims. For you to have linked it to the present situation, do we have tribe of Judah now?

3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Was Jerusalem not destroyed times without number then an were jews not subdued after the so called revelation?

4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

YOUR senses should explain better the situation here and the wars fought by the people of Jerusalem, Judah then.

5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem [shall be] my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.

Is Israel judah and do you care to tell me the governors in relation to what we are having now?

In that day will[b] I make the governors of Judah like an hearth[/b] of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, [even] in Jerusalem.

Do you care to provide explanation?

7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify [themselves] against Judah.

Have you sought the reason for the above revelation?

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

Jerusalem or Israel and was there anything like Israel then and do you know that there were tribes then?

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.

Now, who did they pierce here and what has that got to do with PALESTINIANS-ISRELI CONFLICT?

11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

I thought you claimed that Israel will overcome but how come the mourning?

12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

Do you care to provide explanation?

13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;

Explanation pls

@David

they stare at you right there in the face. Open your quran, try to make sense of it.

I know that you are up to the task when it comes to that. If you are really brave and truthful, table your claim and BABS would attend to them or you keep your mouth shut

@Osisi

It is clear, from a historical point of view, that Muhammad, as a youth participated in worshipping all the 360 pagan gods in the Kabah in Mecca owned and operated by the Quraish tribe to which Muhammad was member in good standing. As Muhammad grew up, he was influenced by Christians (monotheists) who condemned the polytheism at the Kabah. At some point in Muhammad’s life, he was convinced by the Christians that Polytheism was wrong and sought to reject the 360 pagan gods he had grown up with. Muhammad was converted to the concept of monotheism through the influence and teachings of Christians. However, being a proud "nationalistic cultural Arab", bent to preserve his traditions, Muhammad, decided to "reform" his native pagan religion, rather than adopt a completely different religion like Christianity. So Muhammad took the top pagan god of the Kabah in Mecca (called Hubal and/or Allah) and chose it to be his new monotheistic god. This god was already considered the top god among other gods at the Kabah. Muhammad’s strategy was simple. Rather than converting all the Arab people to the monotheism of Christianity, Muhammad merely banished the other 359 pagan gods and chose the one remaining to be the one and only god, what Muslims refer to today as "Allah". Thus Islam was born.

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-polytheism.htm

Its quite shameful that you still ferret your delusional thread, spewing lies that couldnt be verified.
Do you care to provide facts where chrisitians influenced him?
Show me where he worshipped the 360 idols
Goinmg through your sayings that Jesus is God; it further supports polytheismj in which Muhammad came and annuled. You claimed that God is three in one but couldnt defend that from your bible and there are verses supporting his oneness and JESUS BEING HIS SLAVE AD MESSENGER.

I thought you claim that christianity is not a religion but how come you claim that its a religion here and is Jesus aware of it?

You may call David to help you out and when done, we will go into your bible

@Seant21

There is only one GOD!~~His name is Jesus Christ!!

He is the way,the truth and the life!!

Take that book and burn it~~I already answered your question!!

What make him your GOD?
Who did your God pray to ad shout my GOD, why has thou forsaken me?
Who did your God Jesus claim sent him and was greater than him

I really want to learn from you. We would go into the bible to see the true nature of Jesus.

@David

you wont [even] go to your quran because frankly there is nothing there as regards who Christ is/was/and is to come. Its only filled with scattered references to certain unproven statements He was said to have made. No stick to using your quran . . . aint you hypocrites tired of scouring the bible to paper over the bold fact that your so-called book has no credibility?

Do you care to share the unproven statements with me paddy mi. I grant unrestricted access to the Quran